New Zealand (137/5) defeat Pakistan (135/9) by 5 wickets in the second T20I to lead the 5-match series by 2-0

[kron]

Shahid afridi 6 foot 1 and built
Shoaib malik 6 foot wiry build
Younis khan 6 foot and lean
Umra Gul 6.3 strong wiry build not weak like Shaheen and Naseem

From these type of players either better builds to pipsqueaks now

That’s why pak is losing

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Shahid afridi 6 foot 1 and built
Shoaib malik 6 foot wiry build
Younis khan 6 foot and lean
Umra Gul 6.3 strong wiry build not weak like Shaheen and Naseem

From these type of players either better builds to pipsqueaks now

That’s why pak is losing

From what @mominsaigol brother said, it is because Pak doesn't play in UAE anymore. What do you think?

 

[jamie smith]

@Dr_Bassim @YousafTheBeast @Ahmed216 @daytrader @Greenstorm @jamie smith Improvement from young guns, we lost in 10 overs the first game, 13 overs this time. We might last a full 15 next game.

New days new lows new humiliations.
This has become a sceince formula now.
All things change but humiliations remain constant.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Some of these players are barely club grade.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

@Dr_Bassim @YousafTheBeast @Ahmed216 @daytrader @Greenstorm @jamie smith Improvement from young guns, we lost in 10 overs the first game, 13 overs this time. We might last a full 15 next game.

We’ll be fine once Fakhar and Saim return.

 

[mominsaigol]

From what @mominsaigol brother said, it is because Pak doesn't play in UAE anymore. What do you think?

It 100% is. Uae developed our spin talent, allowed our batters to play spin well. Pakistan was at its absolute best during UAE era.

Before UAE the likes of yousaf use to play county cricket alot.

Infact some of our best domestic bowlers like zafar gohar got better by playing county.

Pakistan pitches are unsuited in developing talent

 

[shaz619]

Happy with the effort, good improvement on the first game, 48 in the PP is not terrible when you’re trying to change how you play and have new players in the top order, even someone like Salman is having to adjust in a big way and he batted really well.

Abrar needs to return, his 4 overs could have really run the Kiwis pretty close I reckon.

The bowling is pretty diabolical, I don’t have too much patience for the seniors who’ve been around for a while. Shaheen needs to make way for whoever the alternative is in the squad and they need to find a way to bring Abrar in, Shadab is the easy answer but he is making a comeback and you need to give him a chance during this series; though others may be better positioned to comment on if he deserves it based on his body language and efforts in the field, any kind of politicking then absolutely, give him the boot.

 

[shaz619]

We’ll be fine once Fakhar and Saim return.

It’s a blessing in a way that they are out because for once in a blue moon we are actually developing the bench strength.

 

[Greenstorm]

@Dr_Bassim @YousafTheBeast @Ahmed216 @daytrader @Greenstorm @jamie smith Improvement from young guns, we lost in 10 overs the first game, 13 overs this time. We might last a full 15 next game.

I am getting convinced with each game that tullaybaazi is the way to go in this format. Look at how kiwi tullaybaaz demolished Shaheen. We just need to develop two patakha kism k tullaybaaz to complement Fakhar and Saim.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Some of these players are barely club grade.

Hasan Nawaz and Abdul Samad what a disgrace, shows lack of cricket practice surely....

Abdul Samad cant even run properly between the wickets... He is simply a another Asif ali in the making... poor fielder too...

Lastly the bang bang get go theory is engulfed too fast that they cant even breathe... These guys seems to forget the 20 overs is 120 balls and not 20 balls... 20 -25 sixes can be hit in this ground easily in the 20 overs...They swing at everything and looks like deer caught in headlights..

#Atrocious...

 

[ask_analyse_act]

sufyan muqeem , why not given the game yet still... Both Muqeem and Abbas Afridi are two good T20 bowlers and they should back their performances with chances... Shaheen seriously need to go get some hiding for years, he has merely become 1st over bowler and thats it, the next over carted all over the park... His 2nd over today went for 4 maximums...

Though first over was maidne and the next 2 overs 7x 6s gifted by Ali and Shaheen , sealed the game for NZL today..

Understand the ground is small but gifting 7 in 12 balls is simply atrocious and no where to hide..

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

I think by the 5th match we will lose in 19 overs @Dr_Bassim ?

Which is okay, in the last 14 matches before this t20 series, RizBar team lost 10, the only 4 wins were against IRE, CAN and one other minnow.

 

[battler]

Pakistan in T20i's

 

[RyanRyan10]

Which is okay, in the last 14 matches before this t20 series, RizBar team lost 10, the only 4 wins were against IRE, CAN and one other minnow.

Hoe can you forget Zimbabwe

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

I am getting convinced with each game that tullaybaazi is the way to go in this format. Look at how kiwi tullaybaaz demolished Shaheen. We just need to develop two patakha kism k tullaybaaz to complement Fakhar and Saim.

We definitely need a Tulla like Head. Doesn't matter if they are HTB but become invincible at home first by being a tulla like Head. Kiwis only have tullay, Williamson is their only proper bat.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

i thought you'd know how to use cricinfo

He is not the replacement for Babar or Rizwan.... He is a gully cricketer who had enough chances and gets away with wild swings and slogs that is filled with air lol and zero connection makes him looks like playing with an intent...

People look at his scratchy boundary and score of 11(10) ,

Simple thing is 2 x6s and 5 x4s , basically 30 runs from boundaries is what expected as minimum by each opener + strike rotation.. and at max 35% dot balls in the PP... Top teams adapting to this strategy are coming out successfull.

Pak in the other hand struggles to hit 1 six in the PP which is the big issue here , top teams managed to hit 3-4 sixers and atleast 6-10 fours in the PP minimum ... Teams aim to score 50-60 runs in PP even if they lose 3 wickets in the process and no slow down until 9th over when usually couple of wickets stops the mometum.. keep atleast 5-6 runs in every over.. if 1 maiden or 2 runs in an over they make it count in the next over trying to target weak bowler try to score 3 boundary balls in his over and fetching 15 runs to compensate the loss in prev over... Teams pile up strategy but Pak is so meek to watch as a team posing zero threat to opposition..

Pak on the other hand struggling to reach 6RPO in PP max they make 40 and also slows down in the middle overs too much even make 8-10 runs in 3 overs completely killing all the gas and to start over all again + lose wickets in clusters and gets bundled out...

Pak batting is as boring as anything to watch... they lack skills, shots , game awareness , smart minded approach in all these facets which are vital and like a formula to the success of modern day cricket

 

[ask_analyse_act]

We definitely need a Tulla like Head. Doesn't matter if they are HTB but become invincible at home first by being a tulla like Head. Kiwis only have tullay, Williamson is their only proper bat.

they are not tullas , playing powerful cricket shots on both side of the wicket and good square of the wicket too..
waht they all have is say ( 75% of proper batting skills add with 10-15% of power )

Pak only has tullas these days LSH , trying to muscle everything to leg side...

 

[Greenstorm]

We definitely need a Tulla like Head. Doesn't matter if they are HTB but become invincible at home first by being a tulla like Head. Kiwis only have tullay, Williamson is their only proper bat.

Travis Head avgs 42 in Tests (same as Babar). He is not tulla player. His only weakness is inswinging delivery but every batsman has some weakness.
A perfect example of an Australian tulla was Aaron Finch. Right now, they are looking for new tullars as previous ones(Stoinis etc) are getting old. Recently, India did well to completely pivot to tullabaazi in T20Is.

We need to find and back our tullaybaaz.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I think by the 5th match we will lose in 19 overs @Dr_Bassim ?

We can lose all 5 and still I would NEVER bring shameless creatures like Babar and Rizwan back.

We were losing tournaments with them also.

So get off your high horse and stop pretending we were winning with them in team.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

@Dr_Bassim @YousafTheBeast @Ahmed216 @daytrader @Greenstorm @jamie smith Improvement from young guns, we lost in 10 overs the first game, 13 overs this time. We might last a full 15 next game.

BETTER than a respectable loss by Riz Babar.

 

[Jazx]

We definitely need a Tulla like Head. Doesn't matter if they are HTB but become invincible at home first by being a tulla like Head. Kiwis only have tullay, Williamson is their only proper bat.

No one is a tullaybaaz except in Pakistan team. You don't need tullaybaaz in any format of cricket. Most of the teams have 3-4 proper batsmans with all the cricketing shots who can hit a ton with 150 strike rate on their day in a T20 game.

 

[Greenstorm]

No one is a tullaybaaz except in Pakistan team. You don't need tullaybaaz in any format of cricket. Most of the teams have 3-4 proper batsmans with all the cricketing shots who can hit a ton with 150 strike rate on their day in a T20 game.

None of Finn Allen, Phil Salt, A Sharma are proper batsmen. They keep their front foot planted and swing through the line of the ball which is the definition of a tulla.

If you understand batting techniques, you will realize that T20 is epitome of tullaybaazi and Pakistanis are left behind because of 'proper batsman' mentality that you are depicting.

 

[ads101]

None of Finn Allen, Phil Salt, A Sharma are proper batsmen. They keep their front foot planted and swing through the line of the ball which is the definition of a tulla.

If you understand batting techniques, you will realize that T20 is epitome of tullaybaazi and Pakistanis are left behind because of 'proper batsman' mentality that you are depicting.

It’s not technique. But it is a certain talent to be able to hit early at the crease and effortless power. Most of our guys struggle. They mistime and really have to swing hard at the ball to get it to go far.

I don’t like him because he fixed and his bad fitness. But Sharjeel was kind of one of those talents from Pakistan. He’s too old now, unfit and I don’t like being fixers back. But that sort of talent is seemingly more common with other players in other countries. And of course those sort of talents are fitter too.

 

[jnaveen1980]

No one is a tullaybaaz except in Pakistan team. You don't need tullaybaaz in any format of cricket. Most of the teams have 3-4 proper batsmans with all the cricketing shots who can hit a ton with 150 strike rate on their day in a T20 game.

India is probably the only team that doesn't have any baseball style hitters. Others have guys like Seifert, Mcgurk, Brevis, Phil salt. Baseball style hitting is not bad. It helps with range hitting. But it might restrict you soemwhat. Still it is very effective. But You still have a stable base when you play those shots. Aaron Finch technique is one level below in terms pureness. Axe cutting technique. Pak batsmen try to use hand and eye coordination. It is not coming off as players can easily fool you with change of pace, angle, bounce etc.

 

[Bewal Express]

I am getting convinced with each game that tullaybaazi is the way to go in this format. Look at how kiwi tullaybaaz demolished Shaheen. We just need to develop two patakha kism k tullaybaaz to complement Fakhar and Saim.

But there is talent behind the madness. Do we have the talent to be mad?

 

[Greenstorm]

But there is talent behind the madness. Do we have the talent to be mad?

I think we have enough talent to develop atleast 2-3 world-class tullaybaaz for T20s. We have like 4 halwa T20 series after this till end of the year. It will be a tragedy if those T20s are wasted in bringing Babar and Rizwan back to form.

 

[Greenstorm]

India is probably the only team that doesn't have any baseball style hitters. Others have guys like Seifert, Mcgurk, Brevis, Phil salt. Baseball style hitting is not bad. It helps with range hitting. But it might restrict you soemwhat. Still it is very effective. But You still have a stable base when you play those shots. Aaron Finch technique is one level below in terms pureness. Axe cutting technique. Pak batsmen try to use hand and eye coordination. It is not coming off as players can easily fool you with change of pace, angle, bounce etc.

You won't find baseball style (horizontal batted hoicks) in Asia simply because of low bounce wickets. Finn Allen would have been Hassan Nawaz had he grown up batting in Multan. Asians produce different kind of tullas i.e Imran Nazir, A Sharma.

 

[Greenstorm]

It’s not technique. But it is a certain talent to be able to hit early at the crease and effortless power. Most of our guys struggle. They mistime and really have to swing hard at the ball to get it to go far.

I don’t like him because he fixed and his bad fitness. But Sharjeel was kind of one of those talents from Pakistan. He’s too old now, unfit and I don’t like being fixers back. But that sort of talent is seemingly more common with other players in other countries. And of course those sort of talents are fitter too.

You are talking about a different thing that is ability to pick the length early which gives batmen more time. This is a natural ability and can only be minimally improved. Saim and Babar both have this but Babar lacks power to capitalize on it. I doubt Phil Salt and Tim Seifert types have more time than Babar. They rely on neutral stance and let instincts take over to utilize their power.

 

[kingusama92]

I'm surprised they aren't playing Abbas Afridi.

He should be in all of the games.

 

[Greenstorm]

He is not the replacement for Babar or Rizwan.... He is a gully cricketer who had enough chances and gets away with wild swings and slogs that is filled with air lol and zero connection makes him looks like playing with an intent...

People look at his scratchy boundary and score of 11(10) ,

Simple thing is 2 x6s and 5 x4s , basically 30 runs from boundaries is what expected as minimum by each opener + strike rotation.. and at max 35% dot balls in the PP... Top teams adapting to this strategy are coming out successfull.

Pak in the other hand struggles to hit 1 six in the PP which is the big issue here , top teams managed to hit 3-4 sixers and atleast 6-10 fours in the PP minimum ... Teams aim to score 50-60 runs in PP even if they lose 3 wickets in the process and no slow down until 9th over when usually couple of wickets stops the mometum.. keep atleast 5-6 runs in every over.. if 1 maiden or 2 runs in an over they make it count in the next over trying to target weak bowler try to score 3 boundary balls in his over and fetching 15 runs to compensate the loss in prev over... Teams pile up strategy but Pak is so meek to watch as a team posing zero threat to opposition..

Pak on the other hand struggling to reach 6RPO in PP max they make 40 and also slows down in the middle overs too much even make 8-10 runs in 3 overs completely killing all the gas and to start over all again + lose wickets in clusters and gets bundled out...

Pak batting is as boring as anything to watch... they lack skills, shots , game awareness , smart minded approach in all these facets which are vital and like a formula to the success of modern day cricket

Gully cricketer made his debut in a WC in Australia and played two match winning cameos. I prefer this gully cricketer over 'kings' in T20s.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

We can lose all 5 and still I would NEVER bring shameless creatures like Babar and Rizwan back.

We were losing tournaments with them also.

So get off your high horse and stop pretending we were winning with them in team.

We were Shaheen bad luck injury away from winning ICC t20 wc 2022. You talk like ICC tournaments are halwa we have only won 3 in our history. With King and Kaptaana we won our only WC match against India something even Imran could not do in 1992. With these clowns we won't even win bilateral series.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

None of Finn Allen, Phil Salt, A Sharma are proper batsmen. They keep their front foot planted and swing through the line of the ball which is the definition of a tulla.

If you understand batting techniques, you will realize that T20 is epitome of tullaybaazi and Pakistanis are left behind because of 'proper batsman' mentality that you are depicting.

Rohit himself is a tulla. Head is a HTB tulla as well.

 

[Kianig89]

Sikandar Bakht, Rashid Latif on TV

Summed up Pakistan performance, Street level batting by Haris & Hassan, Glaring technical issues in Pakistan batsmen. Nz assessed the pitch and then blasted, cross the wind against SSA was predicted. Pakistan traveled 14000 km for this tour. Lack of practice games in tour have hurt Pakistan.

Sympathy for Salman Agha who said we were freezing in these conditions,