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New Zealand (200/3) thrash Australia (111 all out) by 89 runs in the opening game of the Super 12s

I think it will be the same as Pakistan got beaten badly in 2019 against West Indies and they couldn't recover after that beating given by West Indies.
Net run rate took serious hit.
 
Bad day at the office for Australia. Am sure they will be back to improve. What a performance from NZ though — utterly dominant. Well done to them.
 
Australia handed their backsides on a plate.

NRR -4.45

Ouch!
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Are you counting Srilanka completely out? NZ is playing Srilanka at the SCG. Think about Hasranga, Theekshana on turning SCG.
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Yeah conditions do play part but srilanka is not that good. I would expect England New Zealand and Australia to beat them but anything can happen. Batting first in Australian conditions is an advantage. I have watched many BBL matches and here in Australia runs on the board matters a lot.
 
If NZ can beat England also and Aus can somehow beat England, it is all fair game.

I wouldn't write off Australia just yet.

Plus there is Ireland and Afghanistan in that group, so I am expecting other upsets as well.

Sri Lanka won't be pushovers either.
 
Visaal-E-Yaar said:
Wait. Wait
It was fluke or luck or toss?
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You are pretending not to understand since you are forced to stick to your point. There is a reason why Maxwell is backed despite poor form for the last couple of seasons. Any other side would have dropped him. They know he is an important component. 4 man of the series awards in his T20 career only matched by Warner.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
If NZ can beat England also and Aus can somehow beat England, it is all fair game.

I wouldn't write off Australia just yet.

Plus there is Ireland and Afghanistan in that group, so I am expecting other upsets as well.

Sri Lanka won't be pushovers either.
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Group of death
 
One thing is clear. Recent results showed literally anybody can beat anybody. Even full strength england can be slayed.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
See if you want to remain in your alternative world in which Babar and Rizwan are the best opening pair in T20 history, I won't bother you.

But watch how the World Cup unfolds and don't make excuses by saying "middle order weak" and all that, when things don't go your way.

That's all I ask.
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Your asking for too much

The middle order will be the one thrown under the bus

Not Babar, Rizwan, Saqlain and Yousuf
 
Visaal-E-Yaar said:
Wait. Wait
It was fluke or luck or toss?
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It all culirculates around that 152/0 unforgettable drubbing hence the marry go round on toss in uae. They just won't stop crying about it, anything to soothe their deep wounds. Their team was terrible that day, hence lost so zip it and move on.
 
bujhee kom said:
You need the players to pull this off, of course.
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It is an international cricket not a domestic tournament. You need to develop and groom those kind of players even if it comes at the cost of loosing few meaningless bilateral series. Team development is a continual process, as a professional cricketer you have to adapt your batting style as per the demand of modern day game be it test cricket or T20. Nothing will improve if you are not willing to change your approach even against low ranked teams.
 
Kriketer said:
It all culirculates around that 152/0 unforgettable drubbing hence the marry go round on toss in uae. They just won't stop crying about it, anything to soothe their deep wounds. Their team was terrible that day, hence lost so zip it and move on.
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Discussion is about Maxwell's backing. Where is India coming from?
 
Kriketer said:
Lame excuse, a good team will win/defend regardless. So tired of listening to that lame excuse from neighbours, you were terrible so you lost so stop crying.

SL did it twice against mighty Pakistan :)
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Didnt know you were chinese considering that we are now neighbours.

We have seen two tournaments which showed that chasing wins you games in UAE.

Pakistan bottled a match they should had won.
 
[MENTION=139316]daytrader[/MENTION] please delete #319 - duplicate post. Thanks.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
See if you want to remain in your alternative world in which Babar and Rizwan are the best opening pair in T20 history, I won't bother you.

But watch how the World Cup unfolds and don't make excuses by saying "middle order weak" and all that, when things don't go your way.

That's all I ask.
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Kindly stop giving too much credit to the middle order by calling them ‘weak’, they are incompetent, useless and a disgrace to the game of cricket.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Kindly stop giving too much credit to the middle order by calling them ‘weak’, they are incompetent, useless and a disgrace to the game of cricket.
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Yet they are the ones, who won the tri series against NZ by batting at a SR of 200.

The openers were happy to nudge it around and pretend to be great.
 
Match was a 'dampener" :) in some sense. Totally one-sided. SCG and Adelaide oval are two venues where generally oppositions have some equal footing unlike grounds like Woolloongabba which is Austarlia's fortress. They face England at the MCG. Game is going to be interesting. Australia lost to Srilanka at the MCG early this year albeit without Warner.
 
This match reminds me of the mauling we got by the West Indies in 2019WC :))

Australia will come back hard no doubt, but that NRR will be detrimental to their progress provided either of NZ or England do not mess up.
 
Even though i don't rate Australia as a t20 side, i still won't count them out. Associate sides are being under-estimated. For instance Ireland has a 145 kph bowler. Promising leggie Delany. Great fielders. Excellent strategies. Fearless cricket, depth. Hope to see more so called "upsets". Finally T20 format is doing what it was expected to do when it was introduced.
 
Usman Chadda said:
No, I mean when did our middle-order win us games chasing 190-200+?
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Oh that.

Well that's because the openers ask them to score 14 an over to win by the time they are dismissed.

Remember Rizwan and Iftikhar?

Playing for themselves while the asking rate hit skyscrapers?
 
Usman Chadda said:
This match reminds me of the mauling we got by the West Indies in 2019WC :))

Australia will come back hard no doubt, but that NRR will be detrimental to their progress provided either of NZ or England do not mess up.
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It was a catch 22 situation. Being the first match they would not want to wave white flag so early on. That means "total surrender". They had to make a match out of it even though it was a poor strategy.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Oh that.

Well that's because the openers ask them to score 14 an over to win by the time they are dismissed.

Remember Rizwan and Iftikhar?

Playing for themselves while the asking rate hit skyscrapers?
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How many games have they won us, please answer.

Then my subsequent question will make sense of your initial post.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Even though i don't rate Australia as a t20 side, i still won't count them out. Associate sides are being under-estimated. For instance Ireland has a 145 kph bowler. Promising leggie Delany. Great fielders. Excellent strategies. Fearless cricket, depth. Hope to see more so called "upsets". Finally T20 format is doing what it was expected to do when it was introduced.
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I quite agree.

Infact, I wish the World Cup T20 had even WI and Scotland in it making it a 14 team affair.

Would have been even harder to win the World Cup.

Having 12 teams is way too less for this format.
 
Usman Chadda said:
How many games have they won us, please answer.

Then my subsequent question will make sense of your initial post.
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As I said, probably none.

Because the openers have no accountability.

Either, they will magically win the game on their own.

Or they will play in their bubble and ask the middle order to hit 14 an over to win and then middle order will take flak for not performing.

There is no middle ground for Pakistani openers.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Oh that.

Well that's because the openers ask them to score 14 an over to win by the time they are dismissed.

Remember Rizwan and Iftikhar?

Playing for themselves while the asking rate hit skyscrapers?
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Doc saab, you know I agree with you but it's just best now to let the theory test itself to destruction.

In PAK we don't make the necessary changes until after the predictable implosion happens, not before.

If we can set and chase 200 with our current setup vs full strength teams in this WC, great, but four crunch matches (AUS SF, Asia Cup final, ENG decider, NZ tri series final) in the last year shows it's unlikely.
 
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Markhor said:
Doc saab, you know I agree with you but it's just best now to let the theory test itself to destruction.

In PAK we don't make the necessary changes until after the predictable implosion happens, not before.

If we can set and chase 200 with our current setup vs full strength teams in this WC, great, but four crunch matches (AUS SF, Asia Cup final, ENG decider, NZ tri series final) in the last year shows it's unlikely.
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As long as Ramiz is in charge, even a first round exit will not change anything

He likes stats to make himself look like a great chairman.
 
New Zealand completely outclassed Australia in their opening encounter of the ICC Men's T20 World Cup at the SCG in Sydney as they defeated the hosts by a massive margin of 89 runs, riding on a superb knock of 92* from Devon Conway and an exceptional performance by the bowlers.

Devon Conway leads the way

New Zealand got off to a flying start after Australia skipper Aaron Finch asked them to bat first after winning the toss. Conway and Fin Allen smashed the Australian bowlers all around the ground as they built an opening stand of 56 in just four overs.

Josh Hazlewood gave Australia the first breakthrough as he cleaned up Allen for a well-made 42 from 16 deliveries. But Conway carried on and remained unbeaten right until the end. At one point, it looked like he will easily get to his century but Jimmy Neesham took most of the strike in the last few overs, scoring 26 runs from just 13 deliveries. Conway remained unbeaten on 92 from just 58 deliveries, an innings consisting of seven fours and two sixes, as the Kiwis ended their innings on a total of 200/3.

New Zealand bowlers tame Australian batters

Australia were expected to respond well to the chase on a good batting surface and in conditions that are very familiar to them. Instead, they got absolutely outclassed by the Kiwi bowlers as they got bundled up for a paltry total of 111 with 17 deliveries still remaining in their innings.

Glenn Maxwell (28) and Pat Cummins (21) were the only players who went past 20 in the Australian innings, as the rest of the line-up fell like a pack of cards. Tim Southee and Mitchell Santner picked up three wickets each while Trent Boult also bowled well to claim a couple of wickets. The likes of Lockie Ferguson and Ish Sodhi also picked up a wicket each.

What next for Australia?

This loss has dealt a big blow to Australia's Net Run Rate (NRR), which stands at -4.450 right now. Aaron Finch and his men still have to face England, Afghanistan and Sri Lanka in their group and these sides have the ability increase their miseries further. Australia face Sri Lanka next in Perth on October 25 and a big win will be of utmost importance to their chances of qualification for the semifinals.

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Dr_Bassim said:
As I said, probably none.

Because the openers have no accountability.

Either, they will magically win the game on their own.

Or they will play in their bubble and ask the middle order to hit 14 an over to win and then middle order will take flak for not performing.

There is no middle ground for Pakistani openers.
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Dr Saab middle order got many opportunities in recently concluded England series. We saw how the team fared after Babar and Rizwan went early.
There’s no batting talent in Pak. Can’t believe you think shan Masood of all people can do better than Rizwan and Babar as an opener. On basis of what? A 30 odd in practice game.
Name the alternatives to Babar and Rizwan that’s what I expect from you.
 
Brilliant win for New Zealand. So many parallels with the Pakistani win over India in the last World Cup.

Both teams were treated as underdogs and had a pretty big mental block against their neighbors/rivals. And also Australia looked mentally disinterested today just like the Indian team looked on that day.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
As I said, probably none.

Because the openers have no accountability.

Either, they will magically win the game on their own.

Or they will play in their bubble and ask the middle order to hit 14 an over to win and then middle order will take flak for not performing.

There is no middle ground for Pakistani openers.
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You remember the ONE game our middle-order won us, after countless failures.

And you are intent on remembering the few failures despite the openers winning you countless games.

Stop making excuses for bad players, the middle-order is bad because the batters are trash. Even if we have Buttler and Hales opening for us, the middle-order will find a way to mess up.
 
NZ victory has threw this T20 WC wide open catching game for Aus from now on Cummins had a rare off day 46 in 4overs
 
James said:
That’s some huge damage.
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England can inflict more damage which will put Aussies out of the competition. Australia despite today's loss can do well in the play-off scenario. England can eliminate them from the race to avoid future encounters with them.
 
Rana said:
He’s been an average T20 bowler for ages
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He is a test match bowler. Never proved his caliber in other formats. Never bothered to. You can see that from his lack of variations. His only motivation to play in T20 is due to IPL. But even there he was severely mauled this season. Went for 10.69 an over. Turns out he was a better batsman than bowler scoring 50 in 14 balls.
 
MenInG said:
New Zealand completely outclassed Australia in their opening encounter of the ICC Men's T20 World Cup at the SCG in Sydney as they defeated the hosts by a massive margin of 89 runs, riding on a superb knock of 92* from Devon Conway and an exceptional performance by the bowlers.

Devon Conway leads the way

New Zealand got off to a flying start after Australia skipper Aaron Finch asked them to bat first after winning the toss. Conway and Fin Allen smashed the Australian bowlers all around the ground as they built an opening stand of 56 in just four overs.

Josh Hazlewood gave Australia the first breakthrough as he cleaned up Allen for a well-made 42 from 16 deliveries. But Conway carried on and remained unbeaten right until the end. At one point, it looked like he will easily get to his century but Jimmy Neesham took most of the strike in the last few overs, scoring 26 runs from just 13 deliveries. Conway remained unbeaten on 92 from just 58 deliveries, an innings consisting of seven fours and two sixes, as the Kiwis ended their innings on a total of 200/3.

New Zealand bowlers tame Australian batters

Australia were expected to respond well to the chase on a good batting surface and in conditions that are very familiar to them. Instead, they got absolutely outclassed by the Kiwi bowlers as they got bundled up for a paltry total of 111 with 17 deliveries still remaining in their innings.

Glenn Maxwell (28) and Pat Cummins (21) were the only players who went past 20 in the Australian innings, as the rest of the line-up fell like a pack of cards. Tim Southee and Mitchell Santner picked up three wickets each while Trent Boult also bowled well to claim a couple of wickets. The likes of Lockie Ferguson and Ish Sodhi also picked up a wicket each.

What next for Australia?

This loss has dealt a big blow to Australia's Net Run Rate (NRR), which stands at -4.450 right now. Aaron Finch and his men still have to face England, Afghanistan and Sri Lanka in their group and these sides have the ability increase their miseries further. Australia face Sri Lanka next in Perth on October 25 and a big win will be of utmost importance to their chances of qualification for the semifinals.

ICC
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Highlights

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Aus did a Pakistan here completely off the radar hopefully its a one off if they lose to Eng it could be squeaky bum moment
 
Ahmed216 said:
Dr Saab middle order got many opportunities in recently concluded England series. We saw how the team fared after Babar and Rizwan went early.
There’s no batting talent in Pak. Can’t believe you think shan Masood of all people can do better than Rizwan and Babar as an opener. On basis of what? A 30 odd in practice game.
Name the alternatives to Babar and Rizwan that’s what I expect from you.
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Yes, personally i think Shan can utilize the power play better than Rizwan or Babar. secondly, Babar can come at no. 3 and the other batsmen play around him similar to the role Kohli plays for India.
 
Sarwar89 said:
That is best thing to happen to Pakistan. For our world cup triumph it is imperative New zealand qualifies for Semi Finals, not Australia.

If Nzl-Aus share 1 point each. I can rest assure, England will beat Australia. So their 3 points are gone. + England will dent their run rate as well.

That leaves us with Afghanistan, Ireland, Sri lanka.
What if Another game of theirs is washed out ?

Or sri lanka upsets Australia.


In case of another washout Aussies can maximum get 6 points ( it will not be enough)

In case they lose to Sri lanka ( they will
End up on 5 points).
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I was calculating Australia’s early departure from world cup last night ( i was the first person to start this calculation in this thread) how good that instead of wash out Aussies get 0 points. It is good for Pakistan in long run.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
If NZ can beat England also and Aus can somehow beat England, it is all fair game.

I wouldn't write off Australia just yet.

Plus there is Ireland and Afghanistan in that group, so I am expecting other upsets as well.

Sri Lanka won't be pushovers either.
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Afghan team is so overrated. How many big wins do they have in ICC tournaments?
 
MenInG said:
Highlights

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Didn't catch the first half. Wow. They bowled a lot of half vollies and length balls. What do you know Australia don't know how to bowl in Australia.
 
Congrats New Zealand


Johns. [MENTION=34705]cric[/MENTION]CrazyJohns
New Zealand beat Australia in Australia after 11 long years in any format.

A great day for Kane Williamson and his team.
 
What a surprising result this was! Wow! Conway`s very intelligent innings and Allen`s mesmerising hitting at the start set the ton for New Zealand. So delighted for them!

I wouldn't worry too much about Australia's net run-rate much, as long as Finch is healthy and sound. The guy knows well how to pummel and pound weaker teams.
 
That is the real group of death. Afg also almost took it to the last over with a paltry total.
 
Sherazkhalid said:
So what's an upset between India and Pakistan. Seems like Pakistan is getting hyped up, but feel like no one is favorite for the match, each team have their strong and weak points.
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Any neutral fan who is not in a mood to troll(:ab) will tell you that India are favorites for this match. Just look at the batting line ups of these two teams. :inti
 
Sherazkhalid said:
So what's an upset between India and Pakistan. Seems like Pakistan is getting hyped up, but feel like no one is favorite for the match, each team have their strong and weak points.
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The team that performs better on that day will win. Certain folks, especially trolls(:inti) have already gone defensive and trying to play the safe card by being on both sides although personally they want their favourite team to win but seems too embarassed to accept that. :91: :inti
 
Ab Fan said:
The team that performs better on that day will win. Certain folks, especially trolls(:inti) have already gone defensive and trying to play the safe card by being on both sides although personally they want their favourite team to win but seems too embarassed to accept that. :91: :inti
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I definitely want my team to win upset or not. Just that I feel we are getting hyped up and seems like India have toned it down, maybe it because of content bias, or my sample data is probably off or too small.
 
I don’t think any team will dominate in this World Cup.Some top teams will lose to low ranked teams.Any team which plays well on the day will win.Fielding esp catching will be critical.England too brilliant catches today.
 
Great batting by NZ.

Our hyped bowling not able to do much at all on this seasons SCG. With 2 years of wet weather the pitches are just a tad slower/lower than maximum which should make NZ feel right at home. Much closer to their conditions.

England have the chance to knock us out now I think. And they are good enough to do it. That'll be a huge match now.
 
Aaron Finches continued selection is a problem. You can't have a captain who hasn't performed in ages. Makes it hard to motivate and command respect in the team. Finch has been out of form forever, I am surprised the usually ruthless Aussies haven't axed him.
 
wrongun said:
Great batting by NZ.

Our hyped bowling not able to do much at all on this seasons SCG. With 2 years of wet weather the pitches are just a tad slower/lower than maximum which should make NZ feel right at home. Much closer to their conditions.

England have the chance to knock us out now I think. And they are good enough to do it. That'll be a huge match now.
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I'm not sure this quite accurate. The SCG average first innings score has gotten higher in the previous 2 seasons of BBL.

From the scores, it seems more likely that the pitches were slower in the 2016-2020 period. The average first innings score last season at the SCG was 182 - higher than any year since 2013.

I dont think conditions have suited NZ. The just exposed some very big flaws in an ageing, slightly overrated Australian side.
 
Seems like Aussie performances in England series continued here. Nof only was it bad defeat to NZ the battering of NRR may cost them later on.
 
Savak said:
Aaron Finches continued selection is a problem. You can't have a captain who hasn't performed in ages. Makes it hard to motivate and command respect in the team. Finch has been out of form forever, I am surprised the usually ruthless Aussies haven't axed him.
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The biggest downfall of a career after Kohli.

Of course, Finch is nowhere near Kohli but you get my point.

Finch was a gun T20 player once upon a time, but since Covid he's completely lost the plot and that's putting it nicely.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I'm not sure this quite accurate. The SCG average first innings score has gotten higher in the previous 2 seasons of BBL.

From the scores, it seems more likely that the pitches were slower in the 2016-2020 period. The average first innings score last season at the SCG was 182 - higher than any year since 2013.

I dont think conditions have suited NZ. The just exposed some very big flaws in an ageing, slightly overrated Australian side.
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I think equating slower pitches in Oz with higher scores is flawed logic.

Pitches here are harder when it is dry and hot.

Higher scores in BBL may come because pace bowling is now slightly less effective because the pitches aren't as hard or quick. Pitches here will never got so slow and like like UAE or some Asian pitches that strokeplay becomes difficult- they just become easy paced.
 
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