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New Zealand [519/6d] beat West Indies [138 & 247] by an innings and 134 runs to win first Test

2 drops in a row of Jamieson's bowling. He's really improved. He's now swinging the ball both ways and has upped his pace since earlier this year. Bowling many at 140 clicks.
 
So West Indies haven't even crossed Williamson's tally. :facepalm:

What an embarrassment!
 
Had Tim Southee played for England and bowled primarily with a Dukes, he'd have been as good as Anderson.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Had Tim Southee played for England and bowled primarily with a Dukes, he'd have been as good as Anderson.
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Southee can move bowl away but doesn't have a great inswinger like Anderson. He can't reverse the ball like Anderson. Anderson has proved himself in India and UAE
 
aloo paratha said:
2 drops in a row of Jamieson's bowling. He's really improved. He's now swinging the ball both ways and has upped his pace since earlier this year. Bowling many at 140 clicks.
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yep. he has become real good now. He averages 23 in first class cricket. very impressive and the boy can bat well too.

exciting potential. Not sure how he fares in asia though.
 
shah_1 said:
Southee can move bowl away but doesn't have a great inswinger like Anderson. He can't reverse the ball like Anderson. Anderson has proved himself in India and UAE
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Boult is as good as Anderson.
 
NZ 519/7 d
WI 138 & 196/6 (f/o) (42) CRR: 4.67
Day 3: Stumps - West Indies trail by 185 runs
 
NZ bowlers will murder our batsmen. Our batting is more or less like WI so most likely matches will be finished by 4th day tea.
Hopefully Babar shine, others are not that good to start with.
 
This series is already a nightmare for Pak.... The near future is not rosy too....all the fuss 4 just 2 tests nd 2 t20s...is not acceptable....increase tests or t20s...or play ODIs...... Tough 4 tourists like WI Pak....
 
New Zealand's pacers took 15 wickets in the day, but a counter-attacking century stand from Jermaine Blackwood and Alzarri Joseph in the second innings, after West Indies were asked to follow-on, carried the game into day four.

Sixteen wickets fell in the day as West Indies imploded in the face of some excellent bowling from the New Zealand pacers. Jermaine Blackwood and Alzarri Joseph averted defeat on day three with a counter-attacking century stand in the second innings, but the visitors still trailed by 185 runs at stumps on day three.

After a disappointing first innings that saw them slip from 53/0 to 138 all out, West Indies were asked to follow-on by the hosts. Staring at a massive deficit of 381 runs, West Indies started on a poor note as John Campbell, in the second over, nicked Trent Boult to second slip where Tom Latham claimed a catch after diving low in front of him. Darren Bravo and Kraigg Brathwaite opened up with some delectable shots, but the partnership didn't last long as Neil Wagner sent Bravo back with the second delivery of his spell. He ended the over with the wicket of Shamarh Brooks to leave West Indies reeling at 27/3.

That became 27/4 as Tim Southee had Brathwaite caught behind with his first ball of the following over. Jermaine Blackwood and Roston Chase held out until the tea break, but a big in-swinger from the tall Kyle Jamieson saw the back of Chase soon into the third session. With West Indies hopes fading, Blackwood decided to hit back with some aggressive shots. A six off Wagner was followed by two fours in the left-armer's next over. Meanwhile, at the other end, drama continued as new man Jason Holder survived dropped catches off successive balls against Jamieson.

Holder's luck ran out as he was eventually trapped in front by Daryl Mitchell, who grabbed his first Test wicket two balls after having the West Indies skipper caught out off a no-ball at extra cover. From there, Blackwood and Joseph took charge of the innings with some extravagant shots. Joseph impressed with his range of strokes, while Blackwood mellowed down. Joseph was given a life by Latham, who dropped a sharp chance at cover, and the youngster rode on that to complete his maiden Test fifty.

Earlier in the day, the visitors started the day with all wickets intact, but it didn't take long for them to lose their first as Campbell miscued a drive to be caught at mid-off off Tim Southee. Southee struck again in the next over as Brooks nicked one to first slip.

Things went further downhill for West Indies as Boult had Brathwaite caught behind off a delivery that held its line outside the right-hander's off-stump. Chase and Bravo hung around for a while and got through testing spells from Boult and Southee.

But Jamieson struck a big blow when he had Bravo trapped in front with an in-swinger after setting him up with several ones that went across the left-hander. Wagner compounded Windies' troubles next over when another in-swinger rapped Chase on the pads. The hosts reviewed the on-field decision and turned it around in their favour to leave West Indies at 79/5.

Holder and Blackwood took them to lunch without further damage, but things unravelled soon after as Southee sent back Blackwood and Joseph in the same over. Jamieson knocked over Kemar Roach and Wagner had Shannon Gabriel leg before wicket to leave Holder stranded on 25 with West Indies finishing well below New Zealand's first-innings total.

Shane Dowrich, who had injured his hand, did not bat at all as West Indies finished on 138 in the first innings and were asked to follow-on by the Kiwis. The second innings followed a similar pattern until Blackwood and Joseph joined hands.


https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1924769
 
WI are embarrassingly bad. Bunch of T20 bangers.
 
The addition of Jamieson makes this NZ attack even more potent in home conditions. Shudder to think how Pakistan will fare.
 
Pak will obvioiously get destroyed too..home conditions do count obviously..it would be different if we were playing them in pakistan
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Had Tim Southee played for England and bowled primarily with a Dukes, he'd have been as good as Anderson.
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Anderson could conventional swing both ways, and get it to reverse at pace. Southee is a bit limited at that, terrific bowler no doubt, and a handful in nz or swinging conditions, and a handy biffer at that...but surely not in anderson, steyn territory
 
Markhor said:
The addition of Jamieson makes this NZ attack even more potent in home conditions. Shudder to think how Pakistan will fare.
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Southern, Boult, Wagner, Jamieson and they might play Grandhomme just for his bowling against Pakistan :)))
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Southern, Boult, Wagner, Jamieson and they might play Grandhomme just for his bowling against Pakistan :)))
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Uh we got beat by them pretty easily too. So I wouldn't laugh. Although India din't exactly prepare well. That's what happens when you understimate teams. Can't afford to lose tosses when you are under prepared either.

Virat as usual messed up our selections.
 
tyron_woodley said:
Uh we got beat by them pretty easily too. So I wouldn't laugh. Although India din't exactly prepare well. That's what happens when you understimate teams. Can't afford to lose tosses when you are under prepared either.

Virat as usual messed up our selections.
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Which selections would you have included?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
And England lost a test to these T20 bangers at home no less.
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You assume that I think England are a good test team? Rubbish top three, Root in a long term slump, limited overs specialist keeper, Broad dropped for that match and no test spinner?
 
tyron_woodley said:
yep. he has become real good now. He averages 23 in first class cricket. very impressive and the boy can bat well too.

exciting potential. Not sure how he fares in asia though.
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I think he'll do well everywhere. He is 6'8, bowls 135, swings it both ways. I don't see how he'll do badly anywhere.
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Which selections would you have included?
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Well prepartion would have helped for starters. But let's forget about that for now as the schedule was pretty packed at the time.

My team would always be about balance in Sena.

Should have played Gill with Mayank. Gill had first class experience in those condtions. He was ready. Kohli has beef with him so I know it will take a while for those 2 to come to terms.

Gill
Rahul in the middle order
I believe pandya was injurrd so it affected our balance. Bhuvi injured. So we should have gone with Ashwin and jaddu at 7 and 8. 3 seamers. Or hell Vijay Shankar could have played at 7 because he too has first class experience with the A team and performed quite well. Don't confuse his odi performances with red ball cricket. He is quite a decent red ball player.
 
aloo paratha said:
I think he'll do well everywhere. He is 6'8, bowls 135, swings it both ways. I don't see how he'll do badly anywhere.
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Possibly. I am not sure how teams will handle him tbh in n.z.

Need to really study him. I don't see any weaknesses.

Btw not just 135. He touched 140 several times.
 
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tyron_woodley said:
Possibly. I am not sure how teams will handle him tbh in n.z.

Need to really study him. I don't see any weaknesses.

Btw not just 135. He touched 140 several times.
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Yeah but average speed is probably still in the mid to high 130s. Probably 137
 
tyron_woodley said:
southee has swing i agree but he is slow.
boult has pace? what games have you been watching
jamieson gets easy bounce due to this height. yes and he can move the ball. he can also bat.
wagner doest get tired even after bowling short pitch deliveries continuously.

very diverse and functional seam attack for n.z conditons. will get exposed in asia though.

pakistan can match these 4 if they play

hasan ali
naseem
shaheen
junaid khan or sameen gul.

hasan with the movement off the pitch
shaheen with his bounce and ability to move the ball
naseem with his pace
junaid with his accuracy although his action is dubious. i do rate junaid khan very highly.

i dont know why pakistanis discredit junaid. he has nothing wrong.
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boult was bowling 140 odd in this third spell, granted there short spells but with a little bit of movement that's quick enough to cause problems.

also in test matches a lot of it comes down to plans, strategy and execution. nz front line three seamers have more than 1500 first class wickets between em. pak seamers are very light on long form experience, as was painfully obvious against england.

for pak only seamer in national squad contention with consistent first class experience is abbas. jk's tape selfie was stupid, he pretty much killed his career that day, not even selected for KP's first xi these days.
 
113 runs partnership, lets see how long these two can hold on and frustrate kiwi bowlers
 
This is some partnership but it's only delaying the inevitable.

West Indies apart from the occasional flashes of good cricket, have been awful.
 
138 runs partnership so far , it would be interesting if they can stretch it further.
 
I must say despite the colour of the pitch these nz pitches are pretty flat. I also think we shouldnt play a spinner
 
Southee getting some lovely shape away, really should’ve had Blackwood, Taylor missed a sittter at slip.

On they go, Joseph really looking the part though he’s just chased a wide one as I type but survives!
 
150-run partnership for these two. More than West Indies got in their entire first innings.
 
These two making use of the easing of conditions here. WI would hope to stretch this further
 
WI were awful. Don't think Pakistan will do as bad. Think we'll snatch a draw in one of the games but lose.the other. We will compete better IMO than WI (but won't do great)
 
HappyWarsFan said:
WI were awful. Don't think Pakistan will do as bad. Think we'll snatch a draw in one of the games but lose.the other. We will compete better IMO than WI (but won't do great)
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You're joking surely? NZ will destroy our batting. Look at them.
 
All three, Boult, Southee and Wagner are proper world class bowlers.
 
tyron_woodley said:
In n.z condtions**. Aukat was seen in India.
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Tim Southee has done well in India and each of the three pacers have 200+ wickets in tests. None of our two main pacers have 200+ test wickets yet.
 
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Jermaine Blackwood and Alzarri Joseph extended their partnership to 155 runs before Kyle Jamieson and Neil Wagner ripped through West Indies' lower order to wrap up New Zealand's victory.


The hosts won by an innings and 134 runs – their biggest win in terms of runs against West Indies.

Jamieson and Wagner picked up the last three wickets in the space of 10 balls to hand New Zealand a 1-0 lead in the two-match series, which comes under the ICC World Test Championship.

West Indies began the day with only the barest hopes of saving the match, especially with Shane Dowrich unable to bat after injuring his hand during the first innings of the match. But Joseph and Blackwood continued their partnership, which was worth 107 runs overnight, starting the day with some disciplined batting.

They were not afraid of playing their shots when the ball called for it, however, and Joseph dispatched short balls from Tim Southee and Trent Boult over the rope in consecutive overs. The first was helped around the corner over fine leg, while the second was picked up cleanly over mid-wicket.

After a nervy few overs, and a battle of patience outside his off stump against Southee, Blackwood eventually reached his century with a scampered single to mid-on, just the second time he has got to three figures in his Test career.

Joseph meanwhile had moved to within sight of a century of his own. Before this innings, his highest score in Tests was 34, and while he has two first-class fifties to his name, becoming a centurion would have been new territory for the 24-year-old. Unfortunately, it was not to be, as after several close calls fending off short balls from Wagner into a packed leg-side, Joseph fell to Jamieson, holing out to the off-side sweeper for 86.

With the partnership broken, New Zealand quickly polished off the innings, with Blackwood first falling victim to the same Wagner leg-side trap which had nearly got Joseph. Shannon Gabriel lasted just four balls before missing an attempted whack down the ground, leaving Wagner with figures of 4/66 and West Indies all out for 247.

The result sends New Zealand one step closer to earning their spot in the final of the ICC World Test Championship, with the 60 points helping them close in on England in third, who are just over three per cent ahead. The second and final Test begins on Friday, 11 December at Wellington.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1926593
 
Ab Fan said:
Tim Southee has done well in India and each of the three pacers have 200+ wickets in tests. None of our two main pacers have 200+ test wickets yet.
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Boult averages close to 40 in India.
Wagner is the same.

Jamieson's aukat will be seen in India.

Southee may have taken wickets but n.z still got hammered every time
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tyron_woodley said:
Boult averages close to 40 in India.
Wagner is the same.

Jamieson's aukat will be seen in India.

Southee may have taken wickets but n.z still got hammered every time
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So what, everyone gets hammered in India. Only Steyn has done well, he ran through a strong Indian lineup in Nagpur but according to some, he is not skillful enough to be rated higher than Anderson.
 
Ab Fan said:
So what, everyone gets hammered in India. Only Steyn has done well, he ran through a strong Indian lineup in Nagpur but according to some, he is not skillful enough to be rated higher than Anderson.
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True. And lol at Steyn not being more skillful than Andy.

Steyn is easily the best bowler of our generation .
 
New Zealand’s Daryl Mitchell was fined 15% of his match fee for use of an audible obscenity during the recently concluded Test against the West Indies in Hamilton. Mitchell was found to have breached Article 2.3 of the ICC code, which relates to “use of an audible obscenity during an international match”. In addition to this, one demerit point has been added to his disciplinary record.

The incident occurred in the 62nd over on Saturday when Mitchell used inappropriate language as Jason Holder was running between the wickets and in close proximity to him.

Jeff Crowe of the Emirates ICC Elite Panel of Match Referees imposed the sanction which was ratified by the ICC Cricket Operations department as per the COVID-19 interim playing regulations. Mitchell pleaded guilty to the offence and accepted the proposed sanction, so there was no need for a formal hearing.

The charge was levelled by on-field umpires Chris Gaffaney, Wayne Knights and TV umpire Christopher Brown.

Level 1 breaches carry a minimum penalty of an official reprimand, a maximum penalty of a fine of 50 per cent of a player’s match fee, and one or two demerit points
 
New Zealand’s Daryl Mitchell was fined 15% of his match fee for use of an audible obscenity during the recently concluded Test against the West Indies in Hamilton. Mitchell was found to have breached Article 2.3 of the ICC code, which relates to “use of an audible obscenity during an international match”. In addition to this, one demerit point has been added to his disciplinary record.

The incident occurred in the 62nd over on Saturday when Mitchell used inappropriate language as Jason Holder was running between the wickets and in close proximity to him.

Jeff Crowe of the Emirates ICC Elite Panel of Match Referees imposed the sanction which was ratified by the ICC Cricket Operations department as per the COVID-19 interim playing regulations. Mitchell pleaded guilty to the offence and accepted the proposed sanction, so there was no need for a formal hearing.

The charge was levelled by on-field umpires Chris Gaffaney, Wayne Knights and TV umpire Christopher Brown.

Level 1 breaches carry a minimum penalty of an official reprimand, a maximum penalty of a fine of 50 per cent of a player’s match fee, and one or two demerit points
 
Saj said:
New Zealand’s Daryl Mitchell was fined 15% of his match fee for use of an audible obscenity during the recently concluded Test against the West Indies in Hamilton. Mitchell was found to have breached Article 2.3 of the ICC code, which relates to “use of an audible obscenity during an international match”. In addition to this, one demerit point has been added to his disciplinary record.

The incident occurred in the 62nd over on Saturday when Mitchell used inappropriate language as Jason Holder was running between the wickets and in close proximity to him.

Jeff Crowe of the Emirates ICC Elite Panel of Match Referees imposed the sanction which was ratified by the ICC Cricket Operations department as per the COVID-19 interim playing regulations. Mitchell pleaded guilty to the offence and accepted the proposed sanction, so there was no need for a formal hearing.

The charge was levelled by on-field umpires Chris Gaffaney, Wayne Knights and TV umpire Christopher Brown.

Level 1 breaches carry a minimum penalty of an official reprimand, a maximum penalty of a fine of 50 per cent of a player’s match fee, and one or two demerit points
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I think it's time n.z got a pasting. C'mon pakistan. smash them please.
 
Ab Fan said:
All three, Boult, Southee and Wagner are proper world class bowlers.
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Only if Anderson and Broad are too (and they aren't). They are a good bowling unit, but average 27-28 is setting the bar for world class a bit low. It used to be 21-23. These guys are good but not Hadlee.
 
Omer2002 said:
I must say despite the colour of the pitch these nz pitches are pretty flat. I also think we shouldnt play a spinner
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Same i would not play a spinner id play shadab who is batting all rounder in tests
 
Clinical performance from new Zealand but i expect pakistan to put up a better fight in tests 100 percent they will
 
Robert said:
Only if Anderson and Broad are too (and they aren't). They are a good bowling unit, but average 27-28 is setting the bar for world class a bit low. It used to be 21-23. These guys are good but not Hadlee.
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Hadlee is an all-time great.

For me, country greats can be considered world class. So, Joe Root, Ben Stokes, KP, Alastair Cook, James Anderson, Swann and Broad are world class in last 10-12 years.
 
Ab Fan said:
Hadlee is an all-time great.

For me, country greats can be considered world class. So, Joe Root, Ben Stokes, KP, Alastair Cook, James Anderson, Swann and Broad are world class in last 10-12 years.
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I would say the last world class (just about) England fast bowler was Bob Willis who retured in 1984. World class batsmen - maybe KP (who played world class innings, but not enough of them to be a true great). Maybe Root before his captaincy batting slump.
 
Cook was world class for sure. There was a long period when he was ahead of Sachin at age for runs. Ahead! For years! If you average 50 in India, and 50 in Oz and 45 as an opener in England that's a pretty strong case right there. So few batsmen do that, let alone rack up his numbers in doing it for so long. Not a stylist, granted, in fact dull to watch. But a good un.

I'd agree on Jimmy, Boult, Wagner etc all falling just short of world class. All excellent bowlers. But if Jimmy & Broad were genuine world beaters they'd have seen England be a dominant #1 during their best period, instead of an intermittent, rotating #1. After all, we've established they had strong spin support (Swann), strong pace support (a bunch of short careers like Finn, Tremlett etc) & the strongest English batting lineups in decades. A great bowling duo might have turned that into some sustained success, they were excellent enough to get to the top a couple of times but not really stay there fighting off all comers.
 
Awfully hard to bat against nz in nz these days.
The highest score by an indian in their series whitewash was 58, which was bettered by Alzarri joseph.
Wonder what's in store for Pakistani batsmen, although they have a better record against swing than bounce as a team.
 
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