New Zealand beat India by 6 runs in the 2nd ODI

[GrandMaster]

India is very much reliant on Kohli and Rohit in ODIs. With regards to the match result, Williamson scored a century like a boss. I doubt if he would have scored even 20s & 30s with Jadeja and Ashwin bowling 20 overs.

 

[Aman]

We won with a first innings score of 240 )

The bowlers bowled really well, India should have still chased it down.

It was more to do with India playing poorly than us playing well.

The Kohli dismissal was a lucky one, he would have led India to victory. It seems clear that India are Kohli or nothing in ODI's.

 

[Aman]

India is very much reliant on Kohli and Rohit in ODIs. With regards to the match result, Williamson scored a century like a boss. I doubt if he would have scored even 20s & 30s with Jadeja and Ashwin bowling 20 overs.

Ashwin and Jadeja wouldn't have got any turn. Both are pretty average to not worth mentioning in LOI's.

 

[Sidilicious]

Ashwin and Jadeja wouldn't have got any turn. Both are pretty average to not worth mentioning in LOI's.

Would have helped restrict your score further. Jadeja can smack a few as well.

Having said that, loss is a loss. Not having Ashwin/Jadeja is not an excuse. The blame lies on our top order.

Rahane is surely not meant for LOIs. And Axar Patel is not meant to be int he Indian team. Krunal Pandya ought to be tried.

Pandey should have been careful with the second but he seems a good prospect in the middle order. Dhoni, well what can I say. Trying out Kedar Jadhav and Mishra is fine. So is Hardik Pandya.

 

[Aman]

Would have helped restrict your score further. Jadeja can smack a few as well.

Having said that, loss is a loss. Not having Ashwin/Jadeja is not an excuse. The blame lies on our top order.

Rahane is surely not meant for LOIs. And Axar Patel is not meant to be int he Indian team. Krunal Pandya ought to be tried.

Pandey should have been careful with the second but he seems a good prospect in the middle order. Dhoni, well what can I say. Trying out Kedar Jadhav and Mishra is fine. So is Hardik Pandya.

Honestly, I see little difference between Axar, Mishra, Jadeja and Ashwin in LOI's. I wouldn't call any of them good, they're only in the side for the sake of having spinners in the side rather than actual quality.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Honestly, I see little difference between Axar, Mishra, Jadeja and Ashwin in LOI's. I wouldn't call any of them good, they're only in the side for the sake of having spinners in the side rather than actual quality.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Seems like you too go to cricinfo and see overall averages and decide.

I will let others do the honours this time.

And yeah NZ may have won last game anyways. That kind of batting performance deserves to lose.

 

[Aman]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Seems like you too go to cricinfo and see overall averages and decide.

I will let others do the honours this time.

And yeah NZ may have won last game anyways. That kind of batting performance deserves to lose.

Frankly, there was very little in the pitch to make either of Ashwin or Jadeja dangerous.

Without any assistance, they are nothing more than containment bowlers (at best) in LOI's, even then it's debatable if they would have fared better than Mishra and Axar.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Frankly, there was very little in the pitch to make either of Ashwin or Jadeja dangerous.

Maybe...but to say they are same as Mishra and Axar is just ridiculous.

Do you know how many tournaments those 2 spinners won for us?

 

[Aman]

Maybe...but to say they are same as Mishra and Axar is just ridiculous.

Do you know how many tournaments those 2 spinners won for us?

Spinners IMHO are cannon fodder in LOI's.

The good ones are able to keep it tight, but very rarely are they used as an attacking option.

 

[Sidilicious]

Spinners IMHO are cannon fodder in LOI's.

The good ones are able to keep it tight, but very rarely are they used as an attacking option.

Did you see Ashwin in the WC in Aus? And the CT?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Spinners IMHO are cannon fodder in LOI's.

The good ones are able to keep it tight, but very rarely are they used as an attacking option.

Yet without these 2 spinners I can name tournaments which we couldn't have won.

CT 2013 (Jaddu-Ash show all the way with Dhawan - in finals, we defended a terrible sub par score)
WI Tri series (Dhoni magic in finals but these 2 spinners kept us in the game)
England away series 2015 (England never recovered from the 20 overs between these 2)

Then there are countless jolly bilaterals that I don't even remember.

Saw Tahir's impact in the SA-Aus 5 match ODI series. It was huge and that's why he is the best ODI spinner.

Spinners are just containing option in hopeless pattas but they do have their value in modern ODs.

 

[The King of Kings]

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-Virat-Kohli&p=8882820&highlight=#post8882820

I was talking about his captaincy record

 

[The King of Kings]

Averages 46.16 with the bat outside Asia.

62 in Aus
71 in NZ
68 in SA
13 in Eng
36 in WI

As captain, led us to 2-0 win in WI in tests.

In ODIs, Kohli averaged 47 outside Asia.

What your last post and this post proves is that you are making statements without any idea about the reality.

But still thank you for your input. It was well appreciated.

I think I did not post correctly because I thought my post meant his captaincy record compared to Dhoni

 

[The King of Kings]

How can you say that when Kohli never got enough opportunities (to lead Indian side aboard in ODIs and T20s)? He did well whenever he got chance as a stand in captain. It's high time, Dhoni should hang up his boots and retire gracefully.

because Kohli isn't mature enough to handle the pressure and lead a side in competitive environment. West Indies team is a complete joke.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I think I did not post correctly because I thought my post meant his captaincy record compared to Dhoni

Kohli's captaincy is far superior to Dhoni without even taking results into account.

 

[anindo]

out of which only 1 came in a match winning cause. Let's face it. Jadeja is purely a bowler who bumps up his average by selfishly bunting the ball for singles when he needs to improve the run rate for India. I rather have Axar, Mishra, Pathan as my fifth bowler, arleasr they don't play for themselves.

Really? Where did you get that about Jadeja? Can you show me one example where he has batted for his position instead of going for runs?

 

[The King of Kings]

Kohli's captaincy is far superior to Dhoni without even taking results into account.

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[shaz619]

because Kohli isn't mature enough to handle the pressure and lead a side in competitive environment. West Indies team is a complete joke.

I agree with this brother, but expect nothing less from these Motorway King Kohli cheer leaders now )

 

[Saurav]

Honestly, I see little difference between Axar, Mishra, Jadeja and Ashwin in LOI's. I wouldn't call any of them good, they're only in the side for the sake of having spinners in the side rather than actual quality.

They were intergral part of us winning CT 2013.Jaddu being highest wicket taker in tourney

Ashwin did very well in 2015 WC