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New Zealand v Pakistan l 1st Test l Mount Maunganui l Dec 26 - Dec 30 2020 l Day 1 Discussion Thread

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Who’d have thought it?

The quick bowler who is 6’6 takes all the wickets.

He has 3 wickets in 16 overs.

The bowlers shorter than 6’0 have 0 wickets in 58 overs.

Just like Adelaide 2019!
 
Ozeirk said:
Early to say right now
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300 plus score for New Zealand it’s a long way to win from there we have to get a first innings lead with their bowling and our batting on this pitch unless it flattens out tomorrow still we will mess it up somehow.
 
who should take the new ball. I hope its Faheem over Abbas. he can pick up wickets with the new ball.
 
Yasir Shah is not good enough to be even considered as a spinner on Pakistan pitches let alone SENA. Don't know when this fascination with him will end. Him being discarded due to a ban from ICC has a higher probability than him being ousted due to his performances.

Wait till he plays on Pakistan pitches. He will get thrashed there too. Just a matter of time. Absolute rubbish bowler.
 
You want to compare the incompetency of the selection committee, look at how Siraj is bowling on debut in thr Ind Aus test. The difference between his prep and ours is pathetic. Both Naseem and Musa were taken to cleaners and the management came up with the excuse they were young and will learn. Cowards on top of being buffoons.
 
Commies were talking about 350+ for NZ but honestly anything above 300 wouldn't be that bad either considering their bowling attack.
 
UsmanhailsAfridi said:
Pitch 2 in a row in same spot create some dot ball pressure

Very ordinary and needs to be in domestic and A tours for a good while
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After the firt three overs, where you have a point, he has been as good as the others. Has created the dot ball pressure you are talking about and has created chances as well. It's not his fault a dolly was dropped at the boundary.
 
What a player this guy is!!!! Learned to play with soft hands this morning and survived the tough period... now cashing on with hard hands.
 
Gullycricket said:
Faheem will bowl better than this overhyped kid
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Overhype i don't know time will tell but unprepared to play at this level definitely. I am really tired of this recent trend in world cricket of using test cricket as a platform to "develop" players. I am a test cricket fan. I don't care about T20 leagues etc. I want to see competitive test cricket. I am tired to seeing unmotivated cricketers, inexperienced players drafted into test side to "gain" experience. I don't want to wake up early in the morning to watch Naseem's development program in action. I strongly believe no one should be inducted into test cricket unless they are ready. There should be some value to test cap of your country. It should not be given to all cricketers. When i was a teenager i watched interview of Michael Husey where he talked about how much Baggy green meant to him and how much hard work and sacrifice he had to make for it. Nowdays, few good matches in IPL/PSL and you debut in test cricket. It was painful to watch Musa Khan play test cricket also. Where is Junaid Khan?
 
Energy said:
You want to compare the incompetency of the selection committee, look at how Siraj is bowling on debut in thr Ind Aus test. The difference between his prep and ours is pathetic. Both Naseem and Musa were taken to cleaners and the management came up with the excuse they were young and will learn. Cowards on top of being buffoons.
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Exactly and some posters here used to mock these Siraj, Chahhars etc. Honestly India is far better at development of players. Our bowlers come with lot of hype but disappear within years.
 
Kane has been in great form, his decision making has been a lot better and he's scoring big.
 
When will Pakistan move on from Yasir Shah? Haven't Pakistan been able to find any good spinner since Yasir Shah's decline which is almost 3 years back.
 
Cric_lover4487 said:
Overhype i don't know time will tell but unprepared to play at this level definitely. I am really tired of this recent trend in world cricket of using test cricket as a platform to "develop" players. I am a test cricket fan. I don't care about T20 leagues etc. I want to see competitive test cricket. I am tired to seeing unmotivated cricketers, inexperienced players drafted into test side to "gain" experience. I don't want to wake up early in the morning to watch Naseem's development program in action. I strongly believe no one should be inducted into test cricket unless they are ready. There should be some value to test cap of your country. It should not be given to all cricketers. When i was a teenager i watched interview of Michael Husey where he talked about how much Baggy green meant to him and how much hard work and sacrifice he had to make for it. Nowdays, few good matches in IPL/PSL and you debut in test cricket. It was painful to watch Musa Khan play test cricket also. Where is Junaid Khan?
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Exactly. As [MENTION=142432]Titan24[/MENTION] pointed out in a recent thread we have pioneered this experiment of taking raw cricketers and throwing them at highest level. I don't understand these guys. Ponting said this is the worst bowling attack to come to down under and we persist with same and Punter is a top notch analyst unlike our Dumb and dumber duo of Mis lbah and waqar. Let these guys like Musa, Naseem play couple of seasons. Everybody is getting test caps so easily it's a joke honestly
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] you are a big proponent of Yasir Shah even in SENA conditions. Surely at least now you feel his time is up?
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] you are a big proponent of Yasir Shah even in SENA conditions. Surely at least now you feel his time is up?
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He bowled decently in England. Cant expect a lot more when the pace bowling group didnt do any more. It's the southern hemisphere where he really struggles but PCT as whole has struggled on that side of the world the last decade
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] you are a big proponent of Yasir Shah even in SENA conditions. Surely at least now you feel his time is up?
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Not this Test - you can check my post before the toss in other threads. Also, it was even more foolish that PAK planned to bowl first if they win the toss, still kept Yasir in playing XI.

I’m indeed a big fan of Yasir and always will keep him in playing XI subject to fitness. And, the guy actually has proved that as I have mentioned many times - in last 7 years PAK has won 5 Tests excluding Ireland outside Asia - 2 against WIN, 3 against Poms and Yasir has played four of those for 32 wickets at 21 with 4 5fors and a 10for.

He is struggling here means PAK is struggling or other way you can say unless Yasir performs, PAK won’t compete much ..... you’ll see PAK’s batting tomorrow here and will understand apart from Shaheen what other pacers have done today.
 
I am baffled as to which field setting is Yasir Shah bowling to or does he even have a plan to begin with?

No silly mid-on or mid-off, spread out field, and is bowling Fullish length - what exactly is he trying to do?
 
ARK Rafay said:
Who was the pitch early on? Did we bowled pooly or New Zealand bat great?
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We bowled pretty well, we’ve been on line and length. Williamson scored his second slowest 50 in his entire career. Full credit to Shaheen, Abbas, and even Faheem.

Yasir has been bad. Naseem has been a spraygun, but occasionally bowls a beauty.

Commentators have been praising Pakistani bowling a lot - don’t be swayed by the posts on this thread. Abbas deserved maybe 1 more wicket somewhere while Naseem had a dropped catch.

If we take a couple quick wickets now, we’re still in this.
 
ARK Rafay said:
Who was the pitch early on? Did we bowled pooly or New Zealand bat great?
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Shaheen and Abbas bowled well but Naseem came and started going @ 7 runs per over for his first 3 or 4 overs and from then NZ looked very good.
 
Looking at the scorecard, it appears that the pace attack (excluding Shaheen) has looked more impotent than an 80 year old man, but the fans are pointing their guns at sacrificial lamb Yasir.

It was the same story in Australia and England.
 
Williamson dropped second time. Shabash boys. Pakistani fielding consistency ko salaam
 
MMHS said:
Not this Test - you can check my post before the toss in other threads. Also, it was even more foolish that PAK planned to bowl first if they win the toss, still kept Yasir in playing XI.

I’m indeed a big fan of Yasir and always will keep him in playing XI subject to fitness. And, the guy actually has proved that as I have mentioned many times - in last 7 years PAK has won 5 Tests excluding Ireland outside Asia - 2 against WIN, 3 against Poms and Yasir has played four of those for 32 wickets at 21 with 4 5fors and a 10for.

He is struggling here means PAK is struggling or other way you can say unless Yasir performs, PAK won’t compete much ..... you’ll see PAK’s batting tomorrow here and will understand apart from Shaheen what other pacers have done today.
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What bowling attack would you have gone with? Including those not selected on this tour?
 
Shaheen bowling his heart out, and Haris Sohail, who I’ve been saying needs to be dropped for a year now, drops the catch. Williamson.
 
Energy said:
You want to compare the incompetency of the selection committee, look at how Siraj is bowling on debut in thr Ind Aus test. The difference between his prep and ours is pathetic. Both Naseem and Musa were taken to cleaners and the management came up with the excuse they were young and will learn. Cowards on top of being buffoons.
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I don't want to compare Misbah and Shastri but Siraj and Naseem are different case. Siraj is 26 years old and has done is hard yards in first class cricket. Regardless of form in white ball cricket KL Rahul is still warming the bench and did play first class cricket last year to get his opening spot back in test team. Things are not perfect in our system (India) but there is some merit in the system.
 
Mamoon said:
Looking at the scorecard, it appears that the pace attack (excluding Shaheen) has looked more impotent than an 80 year old man, but the fans are pointing their guns at sacrificial lamb Yasir.

It was the same story in Australia and England.
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Naseem Shah is useless as I’ve said time and again on this forum. If his real age was being reflected then he would be just be breaking into domesric sides because the ‘potential’ advantage would go away. 22-23 year old bowlers with his skill set would be considered domestic leve.
 
Haris Sohail is a walking wicket. He has no match practice for a month and a half, didn’t even play the practice game! He flopped in Australia last year. And he can’t run or field for ****
 
Slog said:
Naseem Shah is useless as I’ve said time and again on this forum. If his real age was being reflected then he would be just be breaking into domesric sides because the ‘potential’ advantage would go away. 22-23 year old bowlers with his skill set would be considered domestic leve.
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He is a scam. Basically Mohammad Talha 2.0

Expect another tour with 70+ bowling average while his fans prediction him to be a world beater in 2025 when he will finally be 20 years old.
 
That a tough catch to take it didn't really carry. Williamson has adamantium hands so hard to stand closer.
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
What bowling attack would you have gone with? Including those not selected on this tour?
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Four pacers & six batsmen. What Yasir is bowling, Haris & Fawad + Azhar could have done that. Shaheen, Abbas, Sohail Khan & a toss between Faheem, Naseem & Amad ... probably Naseem. If you play with 4 bowlers, you should pick four for taking wickets, so Naseem gets the nod
 
Aman said:
Should have taken it but did it carry?
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It may seem it didn't carry because of Harris's laziness and not standing with bent knees ready to lean forward. Poor poor fielding. Pakistan hide their worst fielders in the slips like club level teams whereas rest of the cricketing world has slip specialists.
 
MMHS said:
Four pacers & six batsmen. What Yasir is bowling, Haris & Fawad + Azhar could have done that. Shaheen, Abbas, Sohail Khan & a toss between Faheem, Naseem & Amad ... probably Naseem. If you play with 4 bowlers, you should pick four for taking wickets, so Naseem gets the nod
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Including domestic pacers as well. No Hassan Ali, Sameen Gul etc, you think Faheem is better?
 
Why Haris and Shan standing close to each other. Shan is not in the second slip.

Also this creates confusion for both going to catch the ball specially Shan being very tall.
 
Mamoon said:
He is a scam. Basically Mohammad Talha 2.0

Expect another tour with 70+ bowling average while his fans prediction him to be a world beater in 2025 when he will finally be 20 years old.
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This trend of blooding raw talent directly in test cricket needs to die ASAP. Player development is job of first class cricket and A team tours. No one values test cap anymore. Few good games in IPL/PSL and you get test debut. When i was a teenager earning a test cap meant something. I don't want to wake up to see Naseem's development program in action. I want to see competitive test cricket not listening to excuses that he is young and learning. He is a professional athlete for god sake.
 
Abbas is unable to move the ball so he is basically toothless for.now, I would rather give new ball to Naseem. Even though tad expensive, he has better chances of taking a wicket. Poor captaincy. You already saw Abbas with the new ball in the morning, why waste the new ball again with him?
 
MMHS said:
Four pacers & six batsmen. What Yasir is bowling, Haris & Fawad + Azhar could have done that. Shaheen, Abbas, Sohail Khan & a toss between Faheem, Naseem & Amad ... probably Naseem. If you play with 4 bowlers, you should pick four for taking wickets, so Naseem gets the nod
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Naseem should go back and play domestics. If your pace bowlers can’t take wickets in NZL green pitches then they are not good enough with whatever pace they have.
 
You guys really need a right arm outswing bowler complimenting Shaheen with the new ball here in NZ. Abbas is miserly but he won't nip it around as much with the kookabura ball as we seen with the duke in England.
 
Abbas has completely lost the ability to take wickets and New Zealand was the first team to work him out in UAE in 2018, after he ran through Australia.

He is extremely economical, but your opening bowling repeatedly going for 25 runs in 25 overs with 0 wickets is hardly going to make an impact.

Teams don’t mind seeing him off and milking others as long as he is not taking wickets.
 
Siraj is killing it in Aus and he was considered harmless trundler etc here. And our bowlers who were supposed to create fear in eyes of opposition are enjoying paid vacations
 
Need an Australian or English coach to teach this guys about slip cordon and it’s importance in test cricket.

They look to me as if standing there close to each other to just chit chat.
 
If you drop 3 catches a day then you don’t bowl teams out. Simple as that.

Bowlers actually did their job today and bowled tight & made enough chances to have a top class test team in real trouble at home IF the field supports them.

But the batsmen dropped all the catches and the fans want the bowlers dropped...

Fielders let the side down badly today. Difference between ending today on top and losing.
 
Its quite clear that India is better team then Aus and it would be a shame if miss out on WTC final.
 
wrongun said:
If you drop 3 catches a day then you don’t bowl teams out. Simple as that.

Bowlers actually did their job today and bowled tight & made enough chances to have a top class test team in real trouble at home IF the field supports them.

But the batsmen dropped all the catches and the fans want the bowlers dropped...

Fielders let the side down badly today. Difference between ending today on top and losing.
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Yeah facts. My streaming went during Haris's drop off Kane, but NZ could've easily been 5+ down if Haris held on and if Abbas held on.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Need an Australian or English coach to teach this guys about slip cordon and it’s importance in test cricket.

They look to me as if standing there close to each other to just chit chat.
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Yep, very casual lazy and non-serious approach. He is unfit and simply not alert enough.
 
Apart from Shaheen all are useless and minnow level bowlers. Abbas has become so ordinary since shoulder injury.
 
You desperately need a wicket and it was the big fish - so even though you were doubtful, you should’ve taken the chance and gone for review - simple basic logic!

Inexperience and lack of street-smartness in play.
 
Gullycricket said:
Siraj is killing it in Aus and he was considered harmless trundler etc here. And our bowlers who were supposed to create fear in eyes of opposition are enjoying paid vacations
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Pakistan bowlers except shaheen are trundlers , if not have pace and bowls like a spray gun.

Pakistan bowlers don’t think at all, just run in and bowl 20 overs, batsman should gift wickets to them and they will be happy with 1 or 2.

They should give more importance to domestic success, bowlers who don’t play enough first class cricket shouldn’t be drafted into the national side, lack of fc experience was clearly seen in the away tours just like this one.
 
Haris is such a lazy, disinterested person. He had all the talent to be on par with Babar but he clearly doesn’t have the motivation.

He lost years due to injury but he doesn’t seem eager to make up for lost time. His fitness is poor and it seems like he barely puts an effort in training.

He looks bored and casual in the field as if he has been forced to play.

With the bat, if he doesn’t score it doesn’t bother him.

If he had the work ethic of Masood he would have been a serious player, perhaps average 50 with the bat.
 
Abbas’ pace goes down by 2kph every series and he doesn’t have much to spare in the first place :)))
 
Slog said:
Abbas’ pace goes down by 2kph every series and he doesn’t have much to spare in the first place :)))
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He was effective when he bowled at 135kph. In the last couple lf series he is being handled with ease.
 
After that simple drop catch Abbas’s wicket column is -1.
 
NZ’s day. They grinder PAK bowling today, tomorrow will go after the rate. Unless it rains for a day, almost match winning day.
 
Must be Misbah‘a brilliant decision to bowl first. You never do that in Test cricket unless you have confidence in your bowling attack that they will roll the opposition out for 150.

Our impotent bowling attack will concede an average of 400+ on a decent batting surface.

Pakistan had a 10% chance of salvaging something from this game but by deciding to bowl first, they handed the match to New Zealand on a platter.

A thrashing awaits us now, but things could have been somewhat interesting had we batted first and scored around 250-300 in our first innings.
 
And until tea we thought the match was evenly poised. Lol. Disaster for Pakistan, but the boys were laughing and giggling on the field so that's a positive sign. I think a cake needs to be cut for Abbas for keeping it tight, and for Naseem for coming back strong in his second spell. First spell was practice.
 
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