"New Zealand will hear us at the ICC": Ramiz Raja

[Pakpak]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Crazy day it has been! Feel so sorry for the fans and our players. Walking out of the tour by taking a unilateral approach on a security threat is very frustrating. Especially when it’s not shared!! Which world is NZ living in??NZ will hear us at ICC.</p>— Ramiz Raja (@iramizraja) <a href="https://twitter.com/iramizraja/status/1438829120364978183?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Saj]

Will ICC get involved? I highly doubt it, they'll say it's a Government decision.

 

[Zaz]

Pakistan need to take matters into their own hands and refuse to tour nz in future

Going to the ICC is like talking to a dummy

 

[Titan24]

ICC is one of the worst sporting body, a stance I have maintained for a long time. Would be surprising it Ramiz can extract something beneficial out of them, if he can then that would be the first instance atleast in my life.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I don't see anything happening in the ICC. They can simply say that it is a government decision and therefore out of their purview, which would be factually correct as well.

The only way to retaliate is by declining to tour New Zealand in the future.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Crazy day it has been! Feel so sorry for the fans and our players. Walking out of the tour by taking a unilateral approach on a security threat is very frustrating. Especially when it’s not shared!! Which world is NZ living in??NZ will hear us at ICC.</p>— Ramiz Raja (@iramizraja) <a href="https://twitter.com/iramizraja/status/1438829120364978183?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

O Raja ji, aeda ghussa nai jay karna banda, cricket khaid e kaafraan di, matti pao, lassi peo, tay so jao.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

ICC? The Big3 will never support PCB over NZC. Good luck with that.

 

[Lonewarrior]

PCB is all talk , no substance .....

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

ICC won’t do anything as the governments are involved

 

[Major]

This is what happens when you make a commentator the head of an organization.

NZ cricket will follow what their govt will say. How can they go against it? ICC is irrelevent here

 

[cricketjoshila]

What will ICC do? Even at the ICC pcb is in the opposite camp to Big 3 NZC WI and Ireland. The chairman is a kiwi too.

 

[Mamoon]

What will they hear other than the usual rona dhona?

Do we have the courage to do something practical and impactful?

 

[Rajdeep]

What will they hear other than the usual rona dhona?

Do we have the courage to do something practical and impactful?

Hypotherically, if you were PCB chairman...what would you do in this situation? Genuine question.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

This is what happens when you make a commentator the head of an organization.

NZ cricket will follow what their govt will say. How can they go against it? ICC is irrelevent here

There is protocol, why didn't you consult Pak intelligence at least before making such a decision?

 

[Major]

There is protocol, why didn't you consult Pak intelligence at least before making such a decision?

New Zealand cricket team isn't under the ISI.. They are under their own govt.

You think the NZ team could had disobeyed its govt and gone to Pindi stadium? All 12 player?

Doesn't work that way. If there govt said pull out, they have pull out.

THe issue is govt level, not NZ board level.

 

[kingusama92]

This is what happens when you make a commentator the head of an organization.

NZ cricket will follow what their govt will say. How can they go against it? ICC is irrelevent here

NZ cricket's handling of this situation is why they're getting criticized.

They can't pass up that responsibility to the NZ government. By unilaterally making this decision, they fully compromised Pakistani cricketers and staff members to a potential threat (after all that's what they were running from). Forget cricket, that's one of the most selfish and reckless things ever done by a touring team.

I can see why the PCB and Ramiz Raja are angry.

 

[Jeetlodil]

I hope the chairman wears a t - shirt which has the pic of Ben Stokes diving with the bat from 2019 WC final and then a 1992 WC semi final win pic at the hearing.

 

[Mamoon]

Hypotherically, if you were PCB chairman...what would you do in this situation? Genuine question.

I would give a diplomatic response and emphasize that this is a state-level decision and is beyond PCB’s domain to comment.

“Showing eyes” to New Zealand cricket board and threatening a rant at the next ICC meeting will not help Pakistan cricket in the slightest.

There is no need to Pakistan to sour its relationship with New Zealand cricket board.

We don’t know how big or small a role New Zealand cricket board played in this decision, but PCB needs to pretend that this was all done at the state-level and stay out of it.

 

[Major]

NZ cricket's handling of this situation is why they're getting criticized.

They can't pass up that responsibility to the NZ government. By unilaterally making this decision, they fully compromised Pakistani cricketers and staff members to a potential threat (after all that's what they were running from). Forget cricket, that's one of the most selfish and reckless things ever done by a touring team.

I can see why the PCB and Ramiz Raja are angry.

The decision was not made by New Zealand Team management. The security officials of NZ recieved a report or govt orders that there is threat so pull out.

The NZ team can't go against the govt orders. The orders were from the Govt of their country. That is why Imran Khan had to call Jacinda Arden..

If it was a board decision, do you really think the PM of the country would get involved?

 

[Saurav]

Has Imran Khan commentated on the issue?He's one of the central figures in this whole saga.

 

[kingusama92]

The decision was not made by New Zealand Team management. The security officials of NZ recieved a report or govt orders that there is threat so pull out.

The NZ team can't go against the govt orders. The orders were from the Govt of their country. That is why Imran Khan had to call Jacinda Arden..

If it was a board decision, do you really think the PM of the country would get involved?

No one needed them to go against their government's orders. It's their right if they feel unsafe.

What was expected is to let the PCB know what's going on to ensure they can protect everyone including Pakistani players/staff, verify the threat, and of course help decide the next course of action. Instead, at the last minute, they had the PCB running in circles trying to find out what's happening.

Blindsiding the host in such a way is completely inappropriate and dangerous.

 

[unemployedgm]

I would give a diplomatic response and emphasize that this is a state-level decision and is beyond PCB’s domain to comment.

“Showing eyes” to New Zealand cricket board and threatening a rant at the next ICC meeting will not help Pakistan cricket in the slightest.

There is no need to Pakistan to sour its relationship with New Zealand cricket board.

We don’t know how big or small a role New Zealand cricket board played in this decision, but PCB needs to pretend that this was all done at the state-level and stay out of it.

There is a recourse to this situation but do agree with this post.

The ICC is an event management company not a governing body.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

New Zealand cricket team isn't under the ISI.. They are under their own govt.

You think the NZ team could had disobeyed its govt and gone to Pindi stadium? All 12 player?

Doesn't work that way. If there govt said pull out, they have pull out.

THe issue is govt level, not NZ board level.

The British High Commission have come out and said it's a lie, who knows better someone miles and miles away from the country or the intelligence of Pak. Who has better scope of Pak? Do NZ have some sort of Tony Stark gear that we don't know about, that they can see danger? It's rubbish.

 

[Major]

The British High Commission have come out and said it's a lie, who knows better someone miles and miles away from the country or the intelligence of Pak. Who has better scope of Pak? Do NZ have some sort of Tony Stark gear that we don't know about, that they can see danger? It's rubbish.

NZ cricket doesnt come under British gov tor British Highcommission. It will do as its NZ govt will order it to do.

This is a govt level issue now, which is why Rameez Raja crying to ICC means nothing.

 

[Sher Khan]

I would give a diplomatic response and emphasize that this is a state-level decision and is beyond PCB’s domain to comment.

“Showing eyes” to New Zealand cricket board and threatening a rant at the next ICC meeting will not help Pakistan cricket in the slightest.

There is no need to Pakistan to sour its relationship with New Zealand cricket board.

We don’t know how big or small a role New Zealand cricket board played in this decision, but PCB needs to pretend that this was all done at the state-level and stay out of it.

Wrong. This is a matter of protecting the country's image which has been hurt so badly here. We are being laughed at by people across the border.

Pakistan needs to send a strong message here. They deserve to know that if Pakistan cleared the security checks and was safe enough for training how it became unsafe in the matter of a few hours.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

NZ cricket doesnt come under British gov tor British Highcommission. It will do as its NZ govt will order it to do.

This is a govt level issue now, which is why Rameez Raja crying to ICC means nothing.

Have you even read what i said. The supposed threat came from British high commission which is why they pulled out and decided to leave, however it has come to light that British high commission say that this is a lie.

We all deserve to know the full facts from NZC about what has happened? Does the NZ govt know more about what is happening in Pakistan sitting from NZ or does the Pakistan intelligence agency?

 

[Saj]

The financial losses will be huge for PCB after this cancellation and I just hope they have had the relevant insurance policies in place.

 

[Savak]

The financial losses will be huge for PCB after this cancellation and I just hope they have had the relevant insurance policies in place.

Insurance policies have clauses which render them null and void. A govt decision to cancel may let the insurance companies off the hook.

 

[shortbread]

Hopefully get Inter-squad games organised and broadcast them live.

 

[Mamoon]

Wrong. This is a matter of protecting the country's image which has been hurt so badly here. We are being laughed at by people across the border.

Pakistan needs to send a strong message here. They deserve to know that if Pakistan cleared the security checks and was safe enough for training how it became unsafe in the matter of a few hours.

Pakistan is already a laughing stock, no one takes us seriously, no one cares about us, we have no importance. As a result, we need to act accordingly.

 

[moghul]

:fac
This is what happens whdownloaden you make a commentator the head of an organization.

NZ cricket will follow what their govt will say. How can they go against it? ICC is irrelevent here

Please elaborate it a bit, what are you trying to say, what is commentator-organizer is to do with NZL cancelling the tour ?

 

[wajid]

New Zealand cricket team isn't under the ISI.. They are under their own govt.

You think the NZ team could had disobeyed its govt and gone to Pindi stadium? All 12 player?

Doesn't work that way. If there govt said pull out, they have pull out.

THe issue is govt level, not NZ board level.

That’s correct. But I assume bilateral happen under some contract. And that contract should have clearly listed that under what conditions a tour can be called off.

 

[iniqbal223]

Bigger question is DID someone in PCB knew that matches will not be played , and that is WHY DRS was not arranged

 

[OneManShow]

What a joke - the threat came 36 hours before yet the team trained the next morning. Ramiz is right- this is beyond stupid.

 

[Abu_Hamza]

Bigger question is DID someone in PCB knew that matches will not be played , and that is WHY DRS was not arranged

You got it right. I am surprised only you were able to find it , else why a basic necessity required for an INT MATCH would get ignored. At least the expense on DRS and its operators got saved. This guy should have told PCB to not do so much of expense as its gonna be futile but he knew PCB wont listen.

 

[globalcitizen]

I understand that NZ had the security threats, but Why were the Pakistan cricketer's also sitting in their rooms? They should have been training on ground. That would have sent a strong message to new Zealand.
So looks security threat was for both teams

 

[zain41]

1000 IQ move by the guy who didn’t get DRS lol

 

[Bewal Express]

As soon NZ received the "threat" they should have called Pk govt and security and told them what they had received and asked for a response. This is a conspiracy from our enemies and its not even a sophisticated one.

 

[Abdulm123]

the ICC is as useful as the UN, this will go nowhere

 

[Savak]

The Pakistani govt and the PCB need to strike hard against the country of New Zealand and the New Zealand Cricket Board with full Fury and Force. The response should be just about short of declaring war.

 

[Savak]

What recourse does the Pakistani govt and the PCB have against NZ?

- The PCB should demand an explanation from the NZCB because the New Zealand team is stating they had no choice but to follow the directives of the govt wheras the NZ PM is stating she supports the decision of the NZCB which means NZCB acting on its own, which is it?

- The PCB should go all out against NZ in the ICC and even take them to the CAS. No more cricketing ties against NZ on any forum until they compensate the PCB for the losses

- The Pakistani government should call up the NZ high commissioner demanding a full fledged explanation for this debacle, suspension of all diplomatic and sporting ties and declaring NZ citizens to be persona non gratta, ordering Pakistani Citizens to boycott all products services from NZ

- The PCB should categorically state that any demands from cricketing countries for Pakistan to shift their home games to neutral venues will require the touring country to bear 100% of the expenses or no cricketing ties. Take it or leave it

 

[Aman]

Pakistan is already a laughing stock, no one takes us seriously, no one cares about us, we have no importance. As a result, we need to act accordingly.

I've seen Pakistani fans threatening cutting all ties with us when they are not a major player in cricket anymore.

Realistically, Pakistan are on the same level as SL and WI as tourists. Tbh I'm not that fussed by the threats of Pakistan cutting ties with us and frankly Pakistan need us more than we need them.

They've already have no bilateral ties with India to cut the number of good opposition they face even further. If they were to cut ties with over this, it will only harm the image of Pakistan cricket to other boards who will be cautious when dealing with Pakistan and avoid touring because of their behavior in this.

Instead of being understanding of our situation and concerns they've made it all about themselves and trivial games over the safety and lives of our players. It's downright shameful.

 

[TheSultan]

I've seen Pakistani fans threatening cutting all ties with us when they are not a major player in cricket anymore.

Realistically, Pakistan are on the same level as SL and WI as tourists. Tbh I'm not that fussed by the threats of Pakistan cutting ties with us and frankly Pakistan need us more than we need them.

They've already have no bilateral ties with India to cut the number of good opposition they face even further. If they were to cut ties with over this, it will only harm the image of Pakistan cricket to other boards who will be cautious when dealing with Pakistan and avoid touring because of their behavior in this.

Instead of being understanding of our situation and concerns they've made it all about themselves and trivial games over the safety and lives of our players. It's downright shameful.

If there is a genuine threat, then what harm would it do for NZC or the NZ government sharing that information with Pakistan - behind closed doors and in compete confidence? It doesn’t have to be shared publicly. Surely doing so will only help the situation.

If it had been shared there would have been disappointment by Pakistan but they would have taken a more conciliatory tone.

The fact the PCB and the Pakistan government are seething at this makes it obvious that the information isn’t shared. There are diplomatic relations between Pakistan and NZ. Surely the NZ government have a duty of care to inform the country on whose grounds the potential security threat would “supposedly” occur on to share the information so the country can take measures to protect their own citizens (if there is indeed a genuine threat).

 

[Rana]

Hundreds of Pakistani personal putting their lives in danger to protect New Zealand c team. The least they could have done is informed those that are protecting them about what could be the potential threat. They flew off without any care or regard for those security personal!

That’s white privilege for you!

 

[kingusama92]

I've seen Pakistani fans threatening cutting all ties with us when they are not a major player in cricket anymore.

Realistically, Pakistan are on the same level as SL and WI as tourists. Tbh I'm not that fussed by the threats of Pakistan cutting ties with us and frankly Pakistan need us more than we need them.

They've already have no bilateral ties with India to cut the number of good opposition they face even further. If they were to cut ties with over this, it will only harm the image of Pakistan cricket to other boards who will be cautious when dealing with Pakistan and avoid touring because of their behavior in this.

Instead of being understanding of our situation and concerns they've made it all about themselves and trivial games over the safety and lives of our players. It's downright shameful.

NZ officials proved they are selfish and inhumane today.

They were happily going to sacrifice the lives of Pakistani cricketers, staff, and security officials by withholding intelligence information.

Let's assume that "threat" was real. It could have led to a desperate attack when the attackers realized the NZ team wasn't coming out. The Pakistani officials and players would have been sitting ducks because no one let them know what's going on.

I don't think anyone has been as disrespectful as NZ was today.

 

[Rana]

I hope Wasim Akram now asks,

“I want to meet the genius who arranged this tour with New Zealand”

 

[Anis Shivani]

- The PCB should demand an explanation from the NZCB because the New Zealand team is stating they had no choice but to follow the directives of the govt wheras the NZ PM is stating she supports the decision of the NZCB which means NZCB acting on its own, which is it?

- The PCB should go all out against NZ in the ICC and even take them to the CAS. No more cricketing ties against NZ on any forum until they compensate the PCB for the losses

- The Pakistani government should call up the NZ high commissioner demanding a full fledged explanation for this debacle, suspension of all diplomatic and sporting ties and declaring NZ citizens to be persona non gratta, ordering Pakistani Citizens to boycott all products services from NZ

- The PCB should categorically state that any demands from cricketing countries for Pakistan to shift their home games to neutral venues will require the touring country to bear 100% of the expenses or no cricketing ties. Take it or leave it

I agree with all these points. Especially banning NZ citizens and boycotting products. They have given in to political pressure from we know whom, and they need to understand that they will pay a high price for it.

 

[Anis Shivani]

I've seen Pakistani fans threatening cutting all ties with us when they are not a major player in cricket anymore.

Realistically, Pakistan are on the same level as SL and WI as tourists. Tbh I'm not that fussed by the threats of Pakistan cutting ties with us and frankly Pakistan need us more than we need them.

They've already have no bilateral ties with India to cut the number of good opposition they face even further. If they were to cut ties with over this, it will only harm the image of Pakistan cricket to other boards who will be cautious when dealing with Pakistan and avoid touring because of their behavior in this.

Instead of being understanding of our situation and concerns they've made it all about themselves and trivial games over the safety and lives of our players. It's downright shameful.

New Zealand is a very small and insignificant country on the world stage compared to Pakistan. It's another matter if Pakistan hasn't used its power well, but in terms of importance New Zealand is a minor country, Pakistan is a major entity in every respect.

 

[Aman]

New Zealand is a very small and insignificant country on the world stage compared to Pakistan. It's another matter if Pakistan hasn't used its power well, but in terms of importance New Zealand is a minor country, Pakistan is a major entity in every respect.

I was speaking in terms of attraction of their team.

 

[Thephenom]

It’s about time we stood up for ourselves!

 

[iniqbal223]

This is what happens when your team performances are almost below mediocre, that a second grade team will show non serious attitudes towards us..

Rather than blaming NZC ; we must look within ourselves and figure why in last 2 years we became so insignificant that England changed their entire team before ODI series last month and then all their players recovered within a matter of few days..
PCB should have take notice at that time, but some of us were defending Misbah ul Haq and Babar Azam.
Misbah has left but left us with the most useless attitude

Thanks Misbah for becoming us a laughing stock in cricketing world

 

[iniqbal223]

NZ officials proved they are selfish and inhumane today.

They were happily going to sacrifice the lives of Pakistani cricketers, staff, and security officials by withholding intelligence information.

Let's assume that "threat" was real. It could have led to a desperate attack when the attackers realized the NZ team wasn't coming out. The Pakistani officials and players would have been sitting ducks because no one let them know what's going on.

I don't think anyone has been as disrespectful as NZ was today.

I will blame NZ only when we are honest among themselves...
Putting likes of Asif Ali's in the team itself showed we ourselves were non serious.. Now that Lappu (Asif) will play the WT20

Congrats to all, who are thinking we will take revenge in WT20..I say, we will become more humiliated

 

[iniqbal223]

It’s about time we stood up for ourselves!

Yes and then select Asif Ali, Iftikhar Ahmed..

 

[iniqbal223]

Only damage NZ has done is now we will have Asif Ali, Iftikhar Ahmed playing in the World Cup
I was hoping these duds get exposed in this series, but no..

 

[pillionrider]

I read that as

New Zealand will hear us at the UN.

As effective.

 

[Savak]

RR is a clueless fool if he believes icc will give a single hoot about this... only way to be heard is hit them where it hurts them hard, pull out of wc t20 game vs ind in the last second citing security reasons... nothing else will do...

RR as PCB chairman has to be proactively be seen doing something about this rather than sitting around with the looserish attitude that we have no influence in the ICC, we can't do anything about it

 

[cricketjoshila]

- The PCB should demand an explanation from the NZCB because the New Zealand team is stating they had no choice but to follow the directives of the govt wheras the NZ PM is stating she supports the decision of the NZCB which means NZCB acting on its own, which is it?

- The PCB should go all out against NZ in the ICC and even take them to the CAS. No more cricketing ties against NZ on any forum until they compensate the PCB for the losses

- The Pakistani government should call up the NZ high commissioner demanding a full fledged explanation for this debacle, suspension of all diplomatic and sporting ties and declaring NZ citizens to be persona non gratta, ordering Pakistani Citizens to boycott all products services from NZ

- The PCB should categorically state that any demands from cricketing countries for Pakistan to shift their home games to neutral venues will require the touring country to bear 100% of the expenses or no cricketing ties. Take it or leave it

1. Ok.

2. Counter productive.

3. More counter productive.

4. Are teams lining up at the Pakistan border to play with Pakistan?

 

[cricketjoshila]

If there is a genuine threat, then what harm would it do for NZC or the NZ government sharing that information with Pakistan - behind closed doors and in compete confidence? It doesn’t have to be shared publicly. Surely doing so will only help the situation.

If it had been shared there would have been disappointment by Pakistan but they would have taken a more conciliatory tone.

The fact the PCB and the Pakistan government are seething at this makes it obvious that the information isn’t shared. There are diplomatic relations between Pakistan and NZ. Surely the NZ government have a duty of care to inform the country on whose grounds the potential security threat would “supposedly” occur on to share the information so the country can take measures to protect their own citizens (if there is indeed a genuine threat).

May be the western intelligence agencies do not want to share intelligence with ISI?

 

[cricketjoshila]

New Zealand is a very small and insignificant country on the world stage compared to Pakistan. It's another matter if Pakistan hasn't used its power well, but in terms of importance New Zealand is a minor country, Pakistan is a major entity in every respect.

You need to re assess all this.

NZ is a developed economy and country and a major US ally. They have significant influence with the help of their alliance.

 

[Savak]

Didn't the PCB gets its way with the ICC against Darrel Hair in 2006? To say that the PCB can't do anything within the ICC is hogwash, it's all about the appetite for a fight, your conviction and how you choose to go about your tactics and fight

 

[Junaids]

I’m incredibly disappointed by the infantile comments of Rameez Raja.

New Zealand clearly went to the trouble of going to Pakistan and intended to play.

They equally clearly had no option but to take the security warning seriously.

To attack your guests for behaving responsibly and safely is insane.

Cancelling the tour was unfortunate. But Pakistan’s pathetic angry response will just put other countries off touring.

 

[Manzy2599]

Only damage NZ has done is now we will have Asif Ali, Iftikhar Ahmed playing in the World Cup
I was hoping these duds get exposed in this series, but no..

Ifthikar isn’t in the t20 squad, although he is better than the 3 hacks (Azam, asif, Khusdil) who have been selected. Atleast he can hold a bat and has done okay in SENA t20s vs Australia and New Zealand so no reason why he can’t play in uae especially considering he can bowl handy off breaks and Pakistan don’t have any specialist spinner. Hafeez or Nawaz are arguably the best spinners they have.

 

[street cricketer]

I’m incredibly disappointed by the infantile comments of Rameez Raja.

New Zealand clearly went to the trouble of going to Pakistan and intended to play.

They equally clearly had no option but to take the security warning seriously.

To attack your guests for behaving responsibly and safely is insane.

Cancelling the tour was unfortunate. But Pakistan’s pathetic angry response will just put other countries off touring.

Ah..One reaction when India decides to not play the test and another reaction when NZ decides to unilaterally abandon the tour.

 

[PakLFC]

It has nothing to do with the big 3 or 4. Being a government issue Pak will be told to deal with the NZ that way. I know it is not the same yet the ICC did not get involved over the recent cancelled Test between England and India. We have to find a way to make other teams listen to us.

 

[Junaids]

Ah..One reaction when India decides to not play the test and another reaction when NZ decides to unilaterally abandon the tour.

India went home because they had taken a series lead and they didn’t want the IPL to be jeopardised by a Covid outbreak.

New Zealand went home because they didn’t want the players to be blown to smithereens by a terror attack.

 

[ahsan17]

India went home because they had taken a series lead and they didn’t want the IPL to be jeopardised by a Covid outbreak.

New Zealand went home because they didn’t want the players to be blown to smithereens by a terror attack.

The NZ pull out interpretation seems to extreme even for those that are defending the pull out.

 

[OMB]

India went home because they had taken a series lead and they didn’t want the IPL to be jeopardised by a Covid outbreak.

New Zealand went home because they didn’t want the players to be blown to smithereens by a terror attack.

India HAD a covid outbreak already and no player would continue playing without coach and physio.

 

[street cricketer]

India went home because they had taken a series lead and they didn’t want the IPL to be jeopardised by a Covid outbreak.

New Zealand went home because they didn’t want the players to be blown to smithereens by a terror attack.

This series lead narrative is pointless. If India had been trailing 1-2, the statement would be like "India just left because they didn't want another thrashing at Manchester". Basically India couldn't win no matter the scoreline. You being a physician should know about how playing a cricket match is nigh on impossible when there's a covid outbreak within tbe touring party and a number of players were exposed in close contact to a covid positive individual for the previous 3-4 days.

As for the "terror threat", I can completely understand NZ's reservations about terror threats in the country. That's not the issue here. New Zealand should have made its reservations to Pakistan about the nature and the magnitude of the imminent threat they were apparently facing, so that the Pak security agencies could act on that, if only to at least prevent any civilian losses happening inside Pakistan. The US repeatedly warned about an imminent bomb attack happening at the Kabul airport by IS terrorists before it actually happened. The NZ need not have to make a public announcement, but they could at least have shared privately with the Pak government.

Because as it happens, NZ coming to Pakistan and then abandoning the tour in the last minute citing terror threat has literally pushed cricket years back in Pakistan because of their actions. It would have been better even if they had declined the tour instead of doing this. It's understandable that the NZ government wants to take care of its players and citizens, but it should also have been mindful of the repercussions that such a unilateral move would have on Pakistan's reputation, knowing the gains they have slowly made over the years since 2009. All that was needed was a honest discussion between both countries once they got intelligence of a terror threat, instead of the cold shoulder NZ has given Pakistan instead. Pak fans have full reason to feel aggrieved due to NZ's actions.

 

[Snatch]

I don't see anything happening in the ICC. They can simply say that it is a government decision and therefore out of their purview, which would be factually correct as well.

The only way to retaliate is by declining to tour New Zealand in the future.

Retaliate? you're making this sound like it's war or something. Its a game of sport at the end of the day, and players safety and well being is far more important even if it's a conservative decision.

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

Pakistan is already a laughing stock, no one takes us seriously, no one cares about us, we have no importance. As a result, we need to act accordingly.

So you're proposing that we go and lick their feet? How is that acting accordingly? Being the diplomatic achay bachay in this situation just shows that PCB/Pakistan is a push over and they will do this again and again. Might as well get 'isolated' by the ICC.

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

Retaliate? you're making this sound like it's war or something. Its a game of sport at the end of the day, and players safety and well being is far more important even if it's a conservative decision.

It's a game of sport that's increasingly being used as a political tool. Unless NZ had some credibly information they acted on, what other reason did they have for cancelling at the last minute? Must be some other motivation.

 

[Afzal_K]

New Zealand is a very small and insignificant country on the world stage compared to Pakistan. It's another matter if Pakistan hasn't used its power well, but in terms of importance New Zealand is a minor country, Pakistan is a major entity in every respect.

Are you kidding, if they open immigration - Half of Pakistan will be there ( if there is place after Indian quota is full )

You are thinking on the lines of size and population, dont mix these things with power

 

[cricketjoshila]

Are you kidding, if they open immigration - Half of Pakistan will be there ( if there is place after Indian quota is full )

You are thinking on the lines of size and population, dont mix these things with power

This is true.

 

[Afzal_K]

The financial losses will be huge for PCB after this cancellation and I just hope they have had the relevant insurance policies in place.

Least NZ can do is pay off losses if insurance don't cover it

 

[Mamoon]

So you're proposing that we go and lick their feet? How is that acting accordingly? Being the diplomatic achay bachay in this situation just shows that PCB/Pakistan is a push over and they will do this again and again. Might as well get 'isolated' by the ICC.

Pakistan is a pushover.

Ranting at ICC will not result in anything positive for Pakistan - NZ won’t apologize and they will not reschedule the tour unless they feel Pakistan is safe to tour.

New Zealand will not offer any compensation to Pakistan.

If Pakistan refuses to tour New Zealand in the future, it won’t be anything more than just a small scratch for New Zealand.

A poor team like Pakistan is not a big draw - as long as India, Australia and England are touring New Zealand, Pakistan refusing to tour will not have a bigger impact.

What this would do though is pretty much ensure that New Zealand doesn’t tour Pakistan in the future.

Pakistan is in no position to “show eyes” to anyone with causing massive self-harm.

If you want to make this about your ego and self-respect and are prepared to go any lengths to stand up for yourself, that is a different issue.

However, if you want Pakistan to play it safe, hedge its future and not shoot itself in the foot because it cannot contain its anger and emotions, bootlicking would be the way forward.

 

[Aman]

Pakistan is a pushover.

Ranting at ICC will not result in anything positive for Pakistan - NZ won’t apologize and they will not reschedule the tour unless they feel Pakistan is safe to tour.

New Zealand will not offer any compensation to Pakistan.

If Pakistan refuses to tour New Zealand in the future, it won’t be anything more than just a small scratch for New Zealand.

A poor team like Pakistan is not a big draw - as long as India, Australia and England are touring New Zealand, Pakistan refusing to tour will not have a bigger impact.

What this would do though is pretty much ensure that New Zealand doesn’t tour Pakistan in the future.

Pakistan is in no position to “show eyes” to anyone with causing massive self-harm.

If you want to make this about your ego and self-respect and are prepared to go any lengths to stand up for yourself, that is a different issue.

However, if you want Pakistan to play it safe, hedge its future and not shoot itself in the foot because it cannot contain its anger and emotions, bootlicking would be the way forward.

Being professional and empathetic is the way to go, but the PCB, Pakistani government and fans have already thrown that under the bus and are immaturely hurling abuses, talking about conspiracies or going to the ICC because we didn't act against our government and security agencies advice.

 

[Abu_Hamza]

It has been reported that all the England players are likely to be available for IPL playoffs as ECB looks set to cancel their Pakistan tour.

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

Pakistan is a pushover.

Ranting at ICC will not result in anything positive for Pakistan - NZ won’t apologize and they will not reschedule the tour unless they feel Pakistan is safe to tour.

New Zealand will not offer any compensation to Pakistan.

If Pakistan refuses to tour New Zealand in the future, it won’t be anything more than just a small scratch for New Zealand.

A poor team like Pakistan is not a big draw - as long as India, Australia and England are touring New Zealand, Pakistan refusing to tour will not have a bigger impact.

What this would do though is pretty much ensure that New Zealand doesn’t tour Pakistan in the future.

Pakistan is in no position to “show eyes” to anyone with causing massive self-harm.

If you want to make this about your ego and self-respect and are prepared to go any lengths to stand up for yourself, that is a different issue.

However, if you want Pakistan to play it safe, hedge its future and not shoot itself in the foot because it cannot contain its anger and emotions, bootlicking would be the way forward.

If Pakistan will have very little impact or leverage over NZ or any of the other bigger boards, why engage with them in the future? Bootlicking will not get us much going forward either - only the same treatment. With regards to self harm, if these guys don't tour us, we're not going to get much money out of them anyway, esp. if we go back to the days of empty UAE stadiums. Might as well preserve your own self respect.

 

[Space Cat]

New Zealand is a very small and insignificant country on the world stage compared to Pakistan. It's another matter if Pakistan hasn't used its power well, but in terms of importance New Zealand is a minor country, Pakistan is a major entity in every respect.

I think you need to take off the rose tinted glasses. NZ is only a few spots below Pakistan in terms of GDP and with only a fraction of the size or population.
NZ is small and remote but dont let that fool you.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Pakistan is a pushover.

Ranting at ICC will not result in anything positive for Pakistan - NZ won’t apologize and they will not reschedule the tour unless they feel Pakistan is safe to tour.

New Zealand will not offer any compensation to Pakistan.

If Pakistan refuses to tour New Zealand in the future, it won’t be anything more than just a small scratch for New Zealand.

A poor team like Pakistan is not a big draw - as long as India, Australia and England are touring New Zealand, Pakistan refusing to tour will not have a bigger impact.

What this would do though is pretty much ensure that New Zealand doesn’t tour Pakistan in the future.

Pakistan is in no position to “show eyes” to anyone with causing massive self-harm.

If you want to make this about your ego and self-respect and are prepared to go any lengths to stand up for yourself, that is a different issue.

However, if you want Pakistan to play it safe, hedge its future and not shoot itself in the foot because it cannot contain its anger and emotions, bootlicking would be the way forward.

Yes, we should act logically but it is important to remember that New Zealand Cricket Board itself is not a financially sound board.

If Pakistan had not toured them in December 2020, it would have caused considerable revenue losses.

They too have their own problems, and thus, we can say that it won't harm them but it will.

PCB will need to make PSL more profitable before it can adopt a stricter stance towards New Zealand. Once you are making millions from the PSL, then you can easily refuse to tour New Zealand and show eyes as you put it.

However, I am not impressed by New Zealand's decision, it could have been handled much better and the option they chose deliberately put Pakistan Cricket at a standstill. Nobody would have forced them to stay had they received a security threat, but their reluctance to share this threat with the PCB and the government's armed forces is concerning. It took minutes for them to receive this "threat" but takes hours for them to dispense it?

I think that Ramiz Raja needs to steer the PCB out of this trouble, both by proving that Pakistan is indeed safe but also making a statement about the ineptness of the New Zealand Cricket Board, and their incompetence in excluding Pakistan from their decision-making.

Like I said earlier, there are still ways to recover especially with the PSL. A few seasons of the PSL happening will make things a whole lot better, but I think it's fair to say we won't be indulging in cricket with New Zealand for a while now.