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Nigel Farage says he is standing down as leader of the UK Independence Party.
Mr Farage said he had "done my bit" following the UK's referendum vote to leave the EU.

He said the party was in a "pretty good place" and said he would not change his mind about quitting as he did after the 2015 general election.

Leading UKIP was "tough at times" but "all worth it" said Mr Farage, who is also an MEP. He added that the UK needed a "Brexit prime minister".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36702468
 
I dont know if it is even funny anymore...I really wonder if UK with such leadership was really an asset for EU or not.

This clown was insulting European parliament just few days ago and now see.
 
I dont know if it is even funny anymore...I really wonder if UK with such leadership was really an asset for EU or not.

This clown was insulting European parliament just few days ago and now see.
There is a British Magazine which posted Farage's photo with a caption - "Most punchable face of the year"

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I dont know if it is even funny anymore...I really wonder if UK with such leadership was really an asset for EU or not.

This clown was insulting European parliament just few days ago and now see.

tbf to UK, Farage is as much of a leader to UK as is Frauke Petry to Germany.
 
There is a British Magazine which posted Farage's photo with a caption - "Most punchable face of the year"

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I have to agree that he got a tempting face and his words support the cause massively too.

tbf to UK, Farage is as much of a leader to UK as is Frauke Petry to Germany.

I dont see 51% of German voters diving nose first due to her campaign....and trust me to European media and general public he and Boris were face of UK since Brexit.
 
I have to agree that he got a tempting face and his words support the cause massively too.



I dont see 51% of German voters diving nose first due to her campaign....and trust me to European media and general public he and Boris were face of UK since Brexit.

I understand that to the average Jo European Farage it appears has got clout in the UK, but if you scratch below the surface you will find his party has less seats in the HoC than AfD is the German parliament-though this can be explained by different parliamentary systems of the country (more importantly Farage has never been an MP in UK)

Wrt Brexit both faces were prominent agreed, but both have jumped the ship as well and also more importantly never were steering the ship in the UK before or after Brexit- the country voted Brexit for a multitude of reasons and least of which were that Messers Farage and Johnson were leading it.

Also UKIP has been around for 20+ years, give similar time to AfD and results might be a worrying considering how Germans past form with extreme right has been.

Not a dig at Germany- but for a Euro centric nation like Germany and their past history, AeD and its growing popularity doesnt bode well for either Germans or the EU. If AfD continue their march, in 5 years 51%+ Germans might nosedive- given the stellar job Merkel is doing.
 
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I understand that to the average Jo European Farage it appears has got clout in the UK, but if you scratch below the surface you will find his party has less seats in the HoC than AfD is the German parliament-though this can be explained by different parliamentary systems of the country (more importantly Farage has never been an MP in UK)

Wrt Brexit both faces were prominent agreed, but both have jumped the ship as well and also more importantly never were steering the ship in the UK before or after Brexit- the country voted Brexit for a multitude of reasons and least of which were that Messers Farage and Johnson were leading it.

Also UKIP has been around for 20+ years, give similar time to AfD and results might be a worrying considering how Germans past form with extreme right has been.

Not a dig at Germany- but for a Euro centric nation like Germany and their past history, AeD and its growing popularity doesnt bode well for either Germans or the EU. If AfD continue their march, in 5 years 51%+ Germans might nosedive- given the stellar job Merkel is doing.

I am sorry but if you ask me as a citizen of EU country I see what I tell and so is rest of general population and I dont think you will disagree that these guys jumping the ship this quickly is adding shame to the injury.

As far as rightest in Germany is concerned they have good support in East apart from Berlin and some bigger cities... I have been to those areas and even talked to some people some are outright racists while others have a point and concern. If you ask me this new breed of immigrants surely help there cause and I hope that Germany voters are more intelligent as compared to UK well we have to wait and see. Although isnt it totally unrelated to Farage quitting ?
 
I am sorry but if you ask me as a citizen of EU country I see what I tell and so is rest of general population and I dont think you will disagree that these guys jumping the ship this quickly is adding shame to the injury.

As far as rightest in Germany is concerned they have good support in East apart from Berlin and some bigger cities... I have been to those areas and even talked to some people some are outright racists while others have a point and concern. If you ask me this new breed of immigrants surely help there cause and I hope that Germany voters are more intelligent as compared to UK well we have to wait and see. Although isnt it totally unrelated to Farage quitting ?

Dhump I do not take offence to Farage jumping ship and how it appears, what I do take exception to is the notion that Farage is a leader of any clout in the UK, or if UK was not an asset to EU.

Understand how average Europeans see it and hence wanted to correct the notion that Farage a national leader of any standing. He is a man who has tried multiple times to win a seat in parliament and has failed. Hence why I pulled in AfD to bring in an analogy of how to someone outside Germany it looks like.

Wrt my opinion of Farage I did state it as rat jumping the ship.
 
Dhump I do not take offence to Farage jumping ship and how it appears, what I do take exception to is the notion that Farage is a leader of any clout in the UK, or if UK was not an asset to EU.

Understand how average Europeans see it and hence wanted to correct the notion that Farage a national leader of any standing. He is a man who has tried multiple times to win a seat in parliament and has failed. Hence why I pulled in AfD to bring in an analogy of how to someone outside Germany it looks like.

Wrt my opinion of Farage I did state it as rat jumping the ship.

I dont know how you process your claim but I see massive number of people following his campaign a campaign with his face on the banner and voting Britan out of EU and I will automatically take him as leader of many Britans so I dont see the problem.
 
I dont know how you process your claim but I see massive number of people following his campaign a campaign with his face on the banner and voting Britan out of EU and I will automatically take him as leader of many Britans so I dont see the problem.

I process that claim by pointing out the 2015 Elections in the UK where Farage again failed to win a seat- where he stood (South Thanet, white area etc etc) Secondly Leave campaign was not a solo Farage act but a groupie act of half a dzoen idiots- Farage, BoJo, Gove, Ian Duncan Smith to name a few.

The reason Farage gets headlines is because he creates headlines, makes outrageous comments and tabloid love it be it DM in UK or the Bild in Germany.

As I had said earlier, Brexit happened for a lot of reasons, least of which was Farage fronting it- hope you can understand the subtle difference.

And also again give AfD 5 years and German leadership will be an interesting asset as well- and even Merkel's not doing a stellar job on that front.
 
I process that claim by pointing out the 2015 Elections in the UK where Farage again failed to win a seat- where he stood (South Thanet, white area etc etc) Secondly Leave campaign was not a solo Farage act but a groupie act of half a dzoen idiots- Farage, BoJo, Gove, Ian Duncan Smith to name a few.

The reason Farage gets headlines is because he creates headlines, makes outrageous comments and tabloid love it be it DM in UK or the Bild in Germany.

As I had said earlier, Brexit happened for a lot of reasons, least of which was Farage fronting it- hope you can understand the subtle difference.

And also again give AfD 5 years and German leadership will be an interesting asset as well- and even Merkel's not doing a stellar job on that front.

Farge and Boris were poster boy of leave campaign and are considered as face of British leadership post Brixit, Boris was considered prime candidate of Prime Minister seat. If someone is creating headlines and rest of the leadership is giving him leverage to do so it means he is one of them and a leader of public.

It happens for a lot of reasons true but two major reasons were closing borders and immigration and asylum seekers policy which is hard to deny.

In 5 years if right wing parties in Germany get popularity it will be sad and we have to wait and see if it happens or not, but I dont see how Merkel or any party in Germany is related here ??
 
Farge and Boris were poster boy of leave campaign and are considered as face of British leadership post Brixit, Boris was considered prime candidate of Prime Minister seat. If someone is creating headlines and rest of the leadership is giving him leverage to do so it means he is one of them and a leader of public.

It happens for a lot of reasons true but two major reasons were closing borders and immigration and asylum seekers policy which is hard to deny.

In 5 years if right wing parties in Germany get popularity it will be sad and we have to wait and see if it happens or not, but I dont see how Merkel or any party in Germany is related here ??

Merkel or any party in Germany is related to your comment about UK being an asset to EU or not and I have flipped the question back is Germany in present leadership (main actors and fringe) an asset to EU or not and I guess we can go on about that and derail the thread.

Rest getting the thread back to its relevance- good riddance to bad rubbish. Though interestingly man has not resigned from his MEP seat just yet.
 
Merkel or any party in Germany is related to your comment about UK being an asset to EU or not and I have flipped the question back is Germany in present leadership (main actors and fringe) an asset to EU or not and I guess we can go on about that and derail the thread.

Rest getting the thread back to its relevance- good riddance to bad rubbish. Though interestingly man has not resigned from his MEP seat just yet.

Merkel is currently steering the ship safely without chaos of anything like Grixit or any other such issue while accommodating huge number of immigrants so I dont see the comparison here at all. It is also strange for me if someone ask if Germany with its current leadership is asset to EU or not.

well for the later I think this sums him up "First lying and agitating, then creating chaos and now running away": German MP Axel Schäfer (SPD).
 
Sets fire to the kitchen then jumps out of the window.
 
What is the point of a one issue party once that one issue is gone?
You think they just want to stop at the UK leaving the EU? Considering that one of their main gripes is to do with immigrants and immigration, and there are millions of immigrants currently in the UK, and that's without even including those born in the UK to immigrant parents (this applies mainly to non-whites), and/or those who have already obtained UK citizenship, do you not think they'll move on from "stopping" to now "removing"?
 
New UKIP leader Paul Nuttalls destroyed here

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I literally laughed out loud when he said "I've done my bit".
 
A single-issue party and a one-man band.

By 2024 they will be an irrelevance.
 
What is the point of a one issue party once that one issue is gone?

Voice of that part of the white working class which has deserted Labour.

Lib Dem Leader Farron has been piling into UKIP of late which makes little sense to me as no UKIP voter is lilely to change to Lib Dem - traditionally the party of reason and intellect, and the most Europhile.
 
Voice of that part of the white working class which has deserted Labour.

Lib Dem Leader Farron has been piling into UKIP of late which makes little sense to me as no UKIP voter is lilely to change to Lib Dem - traditionally the party of reason and intellect, and the most Europhile.

oh yes the racist morons worried about Schrodingers Immigrant who simultaneously takes all the jobs AND claims all the benefits, not the working class but the workshy racist class looking for anybody to blame but themselves or too stupid to blame the Tories
 
oh yes the racist morons worried about Schrodingers Immigrant who simultaneously takes all the jobs AND claims all the benefits, not the working class but the workshy racist class looking for anybody to blame but themselves or too stupid to blame the Tories


:)) I agree with this.
 
The widower of Jo Cox became embroiled in a war of words with Nigel Farage after he criticised the Ukip politician for saying that the Berlin Christmas market attack in which 12 people died would reflect Angela Merkel’s “legacy”.

Brendan Cox accused Farage in a tweet of “blaming politicians for the actions of extremists”, adding: “That’s a slippery slope Nigel” – prompting the Ukip leader to retaliate by accusing Cox of supporting extremism too.

Farage had tweeted about the Berlin attack, in which a truck ploughed into a crowd on Monday, referring to the German chancellor when saying: “Terrible news from Berlin but no surprise. Events like these will be the Merkel legacy.”

After Cox responded, Farage accused him of supporting extremism by backing Hope Not Hate, an anti-extremist charity, which is supported by the foundation set up in the name of the murdered Labour MP. Speaking on LBC radio, Farage alleged Hope Not Hate was itself an extreme group.

Asked about the Twitter exchange with Cox, Farage said: “Well, of course, he would know more about extremists than me, Mr Cox. He backs organisations like Hope Not Hate, who masquerade as being lovely and peaceful, but actually pursue violent and undemocratic means.”

Farage added: “And I’m sorry Mr Cox, but it is time people started to take responsibility for what’s happened. Mrs Merkel has directly caused a whole number of social and terrorist problems in Germany. It’s about time we confronted that truth.”

Farage’s comments brought immediate condemnation from Labour MPs. “Beggars belief. A new low for Farage,” tweeted Tracy Brabin, who won the Batley and Spen seat for Labour after Cox’s murder by a rightwing terrorist in June.

When the LBC host, Nick Ferrari, said Cox knew the consequences of extremism, Farage replied: “Yes, it’s a terrible thing what happened, with the murder of his wife. But he continues to be active in the political arena and as I say, given some of the organisations that he supports, I can’t just stand here and say, well, I’m not going to respond.”

The Jo Cox Foundation supports the Royal Voluntary Service and the Syrian volunteer group the White Helmets, as well as Hope Not Hate, which said it was considering legal action in response to Farage’s comments.

“We are aware of a serious and potentially libellous statement made about Hope Not Hate by Nigel Farage on LBC radio this morning,” the group said in a statement. “We have no idea on what Mr Farage bases his outrageous comments. Hope Not Hate has a proud history of campaigning against extremism and hatred.

“We will not be making any further comment until we have had the opportunity to consult with our lawyers.”

Hope Not Hate grew out of the organisation Searchlight, which sought to highlight the activities of fascist and far-right groups. While it mainly focuses on community politics, Farage has previously accused people associated with it of disrupting his rallies.

Asked how Merkel could be responsible for a truck potentially being hijacked in Poland, Farage said: “Well, she supports Schengen as well, doesn’t she?”

He added: “There’s the point. These leaders of Europe support Schengen. They support the total free movement of people without borders. And the free movement of people doesn’t just mean the free movement of good people. It means the free movement of bad people, as well.”

Other Labour MPs who hit out at Farage included David Lammy, who tweeted: "Insulting the widower of a woman murdered by terrorists. A period of silence on your part would be welcome Nigel."

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...x-widower-brendan-cox-of-supporting-extremism
 
All the while Nigel's brand of extremism got Jo Cox killed. Victim blaming at its finest.
 
We live in Orwellian times when a group called "Hope Not Hate" is dismissed as an extreme organisation.

UKIP on the other have councillors who thought the 2014 UK floods was an act of God because the government legalised same sex marriage.
 
Hope Not Hate definitely infiltrated/run by Zionists but bit of a stretch to call them extremists
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter

Nigel Farage has claimed he has been overlooked for a knighthood because he did not support Remain at the EU referendum in 2016.

The former Ukip leader and influential Brexit campaigner told the The Telegraph he would not be receiving a peerage, adding that it was because of his political allegiances.

“Of course I have not got an honour of any kind – I am not a Remainer,” he told the newspaper.

“Every one of them got CBEs, they got knighthoods, quite extraordinary. I have got a Brexmas present far more important than the honour,” he added.

“A campaign to get back British [blue] passports has been successful. I held that passport up every day [during the referendum campaign] so I couldn’t be happier.”

The news comes after claims that Ukip’s former MP Douglas Carswell blocked attempts to give Mr Farage a knighthood at last year’s New Year honours.

Mr Carswell apparently mocked Mr Farage’s chances of winning an honour saying he should be given an award “for services to headline writers”, according to leaked emails seen by The Telegraph.

Mr Farage claimed the comments were an indication that Mr Carswell was “consumed with jealousy” and has a “desire to hurt me”.

Lord Pearson of Rannoch, Ukip’s former leader, had previously attempted to get Mr Farage a peerage in the wake of last year’s EU referendum.

The plans were however dropped when it was realised that Mr Farage would have to resign as an MEP to be allowed to sit in the House of Lords.
 
“A campaign to get back British [blue] passports has been successful. I held that passport up every day [during the referendum campaign] so I couldn’t be happier.”
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Britain could have had a blue, or green, or pink, or yellow passport anytime it wanted whilst still being a member of the EU. The EU passed a non-binding resolution in favour of having the burgundy coloured passport in the EU, but its not a rule. In fact Margaret Thatcher was one of those who advocated having the same colour for everyone.

Croatia is an EU member. It has a blue and not burgundy coloured passport. There was nothing in EU rules stopping the UK from doing the same.
 
I love some of the reactions to this article.
 
Nigel Farage has suggested a second EU referendum should be held to silence "whingeing, whining, moaning" Remainers.

The former UKIP leader tweeted: "Maybe, just maybe, we should have a second referendum on EU membership. It would kill off the issue for a generation once and for all."

It followed comments he made on television talk show The Wright Stuff.

Mr Farage said: "What is for certain is that the Cleggs, the Blairs, the Adonises will never, ever, ever give up.

"They will go on whingeing and whining and moaning all the way through this process.

"So maybe, just maybe, I'm reaching the point of thinking that we should have a second referendum…on EU membership."

The 53-year-old added: "The percentage that would vote to leave next time would be very much bigger than it was last time round.

"We may just finish the whole thing off and (Tony) Blair can disappear off into total obscurity."

Leave.EU campaign co-founder and major UKIP donor Arron Banks has backed Mr Farage's call for a second referendum, insisting Leave "would win by a landslide".

"If we do not act radically now, we will sleepwalk into a faux Brexit, in name only," he said.

"True Brexiteers have been backed into a corner and the only option now is to go back to the polls and let the people shout from the rooftops their support of a true Brexit."

Despite this, UKIP leader Henry Bolton said his party opposes another vote as it would be "damaging to the nation".

In response to Mr Farage's comments, Lord Malloch Brown, who chairs Best for Britain which opposes Brexit, said: "Bring it on."

Lord Brown claimed another vote was something "the country needs", adding: "Every day we see the disaster of Brexit as we see its impact on our economy, jobs, communities and our society.

"With these comments, Nigel Farage is disowning the chaos that trying to leave the EU has wrought on this country."

Another staunch Remainer, Labour MP Chuka Umunna, said: "For perhaps the first time in his life, Nigel Farage is making a valid point.

"In a democracy like ours, the British people have every right to keep an open mind about Brexit."

Meanwhile, in a reference to the 2010 leaders' debate, Nick Clegg tweeted: "I agree with Nigel".

https://news.sky.com/story/nigel-farage-we-should-have-a-second-referendum-on-brexit-11203281
 
I am suspicious of Nigel "the showpony" Farage's motivation, but I think it's a great idea!

What do you think?
 
Would only make UK look like a laughing stock and Farage would be proved right.

I expect 60-40 LEAVE:REMAIN but with turnout of only 30% because nobody actually cares except the Hard Remainers and Hard Brexiteers who are both as bad as each other
 
Don’t really care if we leave or remain anymore, I just wish we’d get on with it either way. This constant debate about Brexit is so tedious. If there was a second referendum I wouldn’t bother voting because if it’s another close result who is to say there won’t be a 3rd referendum?
 
There should be a referendum on Single Market membership - the June 16 referendum was too vague and did not state whether voting Leave meant leaving the Single Market too.

You can not be a member of the EU but remain in the Single Market, i.e. the Norway model, which is the best bet for the UK economy instead of this disasterous course this government is taking due to ideological reasons.

EU will not give us a special bespoke deal - Theresa May seems intent on having to learn this out the hard way.
 
Love it. The Remoaners were claiming Farage was full of lies and deceit, but today Farage speaks sense according to Remoaners!

Get over it, UK voted to leave, and UK is leaving. Democracy won!

To remind people, Farage has no power to instigate a referendum, he merely offers his opinion.

What if Remain win in the 2nd referendum? Let's have another to make it best out of 3! What if Leave wins? Remoaners will continue to moan!

Plus, holding referendums should be on a generation basis, and not on a yearly-esque basis, for the simple reason it leaves UK in limbo in uncertainty.

Just get on with leaving the EU.
 
Love it. The Remoaners were claiming Farage was full of lies and deceit, but today Farage speaks sense according to Remoaners!

Get over it, UK voted to leave, and UK is leaving. Democracy won!

To remind people, Farage has no power to instigate a referendum, he merely offers his opinion.

What if Remain win in the 2nd referendum? Let's have another to make it best out of 3! What if Leave wins? Remoaners will continue to moan!

Plus, holding referendums should be on a generation basis, and not on a yearly-esque basis, for the simple reason it leaves UK in limbo in uncertainty.

Just get on with leaving the EU.
Last time I checked - in a democracy you can continue to voice your opinions even after an election or referendum. The SNP still argue for Scottish Independence despite the 2014 Referendum. Ian Paisley whinged ceaselessly despite the referendum result on the Good Friday Agreement in 1998. I disagree with both views but that's their right.

After 1975, the anti-EEC voices didn't shut up "because democracy". Infact they kept campaigning for 41 years until their fantasy was fulfilled. That's democracy - so spare the lectures.

Anyone with a cursory understanding of the EU knows there are different kinds of relationships for non-members with the EU - there's the EEA (which prominent Brexiteers like Peter Hitchens and Pete Young support), EFTA or a Canadian style FTA.

In the last referendum campaign, which was appallingly conducted by both sides, these alternative arrangements were not substantively discussed. Nor were they properly fleshed out by an arrogant Conservative government that thought they'd stroll to victory.
 
Last time I checked - in a democracy you can continue to voice your opinions even after an election or referendum. The SNP still argue for Scottish Independence despite the 2014 Referendum. Ian Paisley whinged ceaselessly despite the referendum result on the Good Friday Agreement in 1998. I disagree with both views but that's their right.

After 1975, the anti-EEC voices didn't shut up "because democracy". Infact they kept campaigning for 41 years until their fantasy was fulfilled. That's democracy - so spare the lectures.

Anyone with a cursory understanding of the EU knows there are different kinds of relationships for non-members with the EU - there's the EEA (which prominent Brexiteers like Peter Hitchens and Pete Young support), EFTA or a Canadian style FTA.

In the last referendum campaign, which was appallingly conducted by both sides, these alternative arrangements were not substantively discussed. Nor were they properly fleshed out by an arrogant Conservative government that thought they'd stroll to victory.

Democracy guarantees the voice of the minority. Democracy does not mean holding a referendum each year. Shall we have another General Election this year because the previous result was a shock?

You refer to 1975, UK did not hold a referendum to join the EU, but a referendum to join the EEC, which technically was decided in 1973. There on, Treaty of Rome, Maastricht, and Lisbon were not offered to the public but were implemented through stealth. Were these treaties fleshed out in public? No.

Meaning, democracy preserves the right for voices to be heard, but does not guarantee that minority voices will be implemented.
 
Bring it on. This time Remain will win. More people have more understanding now.
 
Democracy guarantees the voice of the minority. Democracy does not mean holding a referendum each year. Shall we have another General Election this year because the previous result was a shock?

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Up to the PM. Or if the DUP stops supporting the Tories. Or if they lose a bunch of by-elections.

Plebiscites are different of course.
 
Democracy guarantees the voice of the minority. Democracy does not mean holding a referendum each year. Shall we have another General Election this year because the previous result was a shock?

You refer to 1975, UK did not hold a referendum to join the EU, but a referendum to join the EEC, which technically was decided in 1973. There on, Treaty of Rome, Maastricht, and Lisbon were not offered to the public but were implemented through stealth. Were these treaties fleshed out in public? No.

Meaning, democracy preserves the right for voices to be heard, but does not guarantee that minority voices will be implemented.

When the original exit campaign was based on lies I think it would be right to have another referendum.
 
Would only make UK look like a laughing stock and Farage would be proved right.

I expect 60-40 LEAVE:REMAIN but with turnout of only 30% because nobody actually cares except the Hard Remainers and Hard Brexiteers who are both as bad as each other

I think it would 60:40 to remain.
With no chance of a referendum I think a lot of the reminders started to accept the situation.
This would change dramatically if a referendum was announced
 
Bring it on. This time Remain will win. More people have more understanding now.

According to some polls, Leave will win with a greater margin. Though having said this, the polls were wrong about Trump, EU Referendum, and GE 2017.
 
When the original exit campaign was based on lies I think it would be right to have another referendum.

Sounds like any election.

But feel free to outline the lies.

Remain said the economy would collapse. Oh wait, British manufacturing is at the highest level since 2008, record unemployment. Did I forget to mention the FTSE hit an ALL TIME high today!?
 
Pointless to do it because Leave would win again, this time by a bigger margin, although maybe that is why Farage wants it to happen.
 
Don’t really care if we leave or remain anymore, I just wish we’d get on with it either way. This constant debate about Brexit is so tedious. If there was a second referendum I wouldn’t bother voting because if it’s another close result who is to say there won’t be a 3rd referendum?

off topic but always wondered this.

are you indian living and working in britain or british indian (as in second or third generation born there etc)
 
Sounds like any election.

But feel free to outline the lies.

Remain said the economy would collapse. Oh wait, British manufacturing is at the highest level since 2008, record unemployment. Did I forget to mention the FTSE hit an ALL TIME high today!?

That’s a whole load of nonsense.
 
Bring it on. This time Remain will win. More people have more understanding now.

I agree. I saw this as Farage getting cold feet, hoping that the last referendum would get overturned. That way he and his chums like Boris Johnson could go back to being protestors raging against the authorities instead of being seen as responsible for what will probably be a disastrous decision long term for Britain.
 
That’s a whole load of nonsense.

It's not. Check BBC business news.

Of course you would say that because Project Fear turned out to be the biggest lie of them all.

Just let me know of the lies the leave campaign were espousing.
 
Pointless to do it because Leave would win again, this time by a bigger margin, although maybe that is why Farage wants it to happen.

It's pointless for another reason.

Lets assume a 2nd referendum is held, and Remain wins. This has ramifications are beyond belief. It means that democracy is dead in this country. The people have spoken, and a nation that takes pride in its democratic values, the original decision will be overturned. The people will never trust the system or the government again. We may as live in a totalitarian society where the government ignores the wishes of the people!

It is time the people unite, and get on with the Brexit. Yes there are winners and losers, but change is never easy.
 
It's not. Check BBC business news.

Of course you would say that because Project Fear turned out to be the biggest lie of them all.

Just let me know of the lies the leave campaign were espousing.

I had my own issues with the Remain campaign (Cameron wanting to be the face of it; the Treasury's doomsday scenarios; Goldman Sachs releasing statements) but the Leave campaign were just as bad.

All the scaremongering about Turkey joining the EU and £350m a week for the NHS (which even Farage admits was ridiculous) were two examples.
 
Why do you think this?

Partly theoretical and partly factual.

Theoretical because the decision has already been made, and most [not all - most] people in the country have accepted this, so the surge of Leave voters would (in my opinion) be even greater this time to ensure that the notion of democracy in Britain lives on.

I always find it interesting that the EU is about as antidemocratic a system as one could dream up - and the ideological Remain side, full of perfectly rational people actually, seems to be taking an equally antidemocratic approach to the result of the EU Referendum.

Try reading David Schneider’s Twitter feed for example - a fantastically witty, intelligent and self-effacing guy, who represents a religious minority (Judaism) in an appropriately humorous and respectable manner - a successful, articulate person with a long unblemished career and no history of irrational discourse whatsoever - and yet suddenly he seeks to ignore the will of millions, upon millions, of Britons because of nothing more than his own personal opinion. He has tens of thousands of followers, an influential person, and he has chosen to suspend his real life to digitally campaign for a political “dead stick”. A nonsense situation. The EU seemingly does funny things to the minds of normal, decent people. You too Robert apparently!

(Perhaps EU supporters are just quite antidemocratic people, liberal-fascist types? Who knows.) Anyway - that was the theoretical element.

Now for the factual element: the 2017 General Election.

Last year we arguably reentered the arena of a two-party political system, like in the United States, in our case for the first time in decades. 85%+ of the electorate now seems to be either Labour or Conservative. The continued polling supports this shift. Both of these parties stood for Brexit last year and they got record numbers of votes.

If there was really, truly a nationwide drive to overturn the Leave vote, then in June last year there would have been more votes for the parties who wanted either a second poll and / or to Remain. But nobody voted for them - even less than usual. The Greens, a very reasonable bunch of ladies and chaps, got completely rinsed, and the once popular Liberal Democrats [and their homophobic hardcore-Christian spearhead] turned in a miserable collective performance - they are left with a leader now who is one heavy fall away from being admitted to a care home.

Britain is leaving the EU. Like it or not I respect your opinion. But we are absolutely and unequivocally leaving. It really is time to accept it.
 
All the scaremongering about Turkey joining the EU and £350m a week for the NHS (which even Farage admits was ridiculous) were two examples.

Well, it didn't help when Cameron refused to say whether UK would veto Turkey's EU membership. Secondly UK hasn't left the EU so the NHS claim has yet to be tested, but I do know this, the divorce bill amounts to around £350 Million a week.
 
Partly theoretical and partly factual.

Theoretical because the decision has already been made, and most [not all - most] people in the country have accepted this, so the surge of Leave voters would (in my opinion) be even greater this time to ensure that the notion of democracy in Britain lives on.

I always find it interesting that the EU is about as antidemocratic a system as one could dream up - and the ideological Remain side, full of perfectly rational people actually, seems to be taking an equally antidemocratic approach to the result of the EU Referendum.

Try reading David Schneider’s Twitter feed for example - a fantastically witty, intelligent and self-effacing guy, who represents a religious minority (Judaism) in an appropriately humorous and respectable manner - a successful, articulate person with a long unblemished career and no history of irrational discourse whatsoever - and yet suddenly he seeks to ignore the will of millions, upon millions, of Britons because of nothing more than his own personal opinion. He has tens of thousands of followers, an influential person, and he has chosen to suspend his real life to digitally campaign for a political “dead stick”. A nonsense situation. The EU seemingly does funny things to the minds of normal, decent people. You too Robert apparently!

(Perhaps EU supporters are just quite antidemocratic people, liberal-fascist types? Who knows.) Anyway - that was the theoretical element.

Now for the factual element: the 2017 General Election.

Last year we arguably reentered the arena of a two-party political system, like in the United States, in our case for the first time in decades. 85%+ of the electorate now seems to be either Labour or Conservative. The continued polling supports this shift. Both of these parties stood for Brexit last year and they got record numbers of votes.

If there was really, truly a nationwide drive to overturn the Leave vote, then in June last year there would have been more votes for the parties who wanted either a second poll and / or to Remain. But nobody voted for them - even less than usual. The Greens, a very reasonable bunch of ladies and chaps, got completely rinsed, and the once popular Liberal Democrats [and their homophobic hardcore-Christian spearhead] turned in a miserable collective performance - they are left with a leader now who is one heavy fall away from being admitted to a care home.

Britain is leaving the EU. Like it or not I respect your opinion. But we are absolutely and unequivocally leaving. It really is time to accept it.


I was for Leave with 48 hours to go before I had an epiphany. I suppose I have the zeal of the convert.

I am appalled by the distorting effect of Cambridge Analytica and Putin on the vote. I can see this country turning nasty after we Brexit, unless we stay in the CU and SM which is an outcome I could accept. Otherwise our economy will shrink, there will be more austerity, fewer real jobs and the fascists will start to march in earnest. There will be open racism and Islamophobia on the streets. I am already telling my friends to get out of the cities.

The reason there has been no drive for a second ref is that very many Labour voters think Corbyn is for Remain and will save them, against all the evidence. Now he is being rumbled and we are picking up some Labourites, and Bright Blue Tories too. How that will shape the Party remains to be seen, but I suspect re-entry to the EU as a long-term goal. That will mean accepting the Euro and Schengen though. We really do have the best possible position right now and we are throwing it away.

Farron got found out in the election. I like him but wasn’t good enough, and his adherence to Bronze Age concepts does not translate well into modern morality so he gets called a homophobe despite voting to liberate gays. Sir Vince is intellectually brilliant but does not have the common touch - should have gone for Jo Swinson, but she has a young kid now. I think Sir Vince will steer through the choppy Brexit waters, then Jo will take over.
 
Well, it didn't help when Cameron refused to say whether UK would veto Turkey's EU membership. Secondly UK hasn't left the EU so the NHS claim has yet to be tested, but I do know this, the divorce bill amounts to around £350 Million a week.

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I was for Leave with 48 hours to go before I had an epiphany. I suppose I have the zeal of the convert.

I am appalled by the distorting effect of Cambridge Analytica and Putin on the vote. I can see this country turning nasty after we Brexit, unless we stay in the CU and SM which is an outcome I could accept. Otherwise our economy will shrink, there will be more austerity, fewer real jobs and the fascists will start to march in earnest. There will be open racism and Islamophobia on the streets. I am already telling my friends to get out of the cities.

The reason there has been no drive for a second ref is that very many Labour voters think Corbyn is for Remain and will save them, against all the evidence. Now he is being rumbled and we are picking up some Labourites, and Bright Blue Tories too. How that will shape the Party remains to be seen, but I suspect re-entry to the EU as a long-term goal. That will mean accepting the Euro and Schengen though. We really do have the best possible position right now and we are throwing it away.

Farron got found out in the election. I like him but wasn’t good enough, and his adherence to Bronze Age concepts does not translate well into modern morality so he gets called a homophobe despite voting to liberate gays. Sir Vince is intellectually brilliant but does not have the common touch - should have gone for Jo Swinson, but she has a young kid now. I think Sir Vince will steer through the choppy Brexit waters, then Jo will take over.

I agree with parts of your statement. The UK will turn nasty, but the reality is that racism, homophobia, and islamophobia were already percolating in the UK, in fact I would go as far as saying this was the case long before the EU referendum.

From my perspective, the crash of 2008 lead to austerity and the UK voted for a coalition, the first since after WW2. A rarity in the UK, but none the less it was an opportunity.

For sure, we were in new territory in the political realm, but Liberal Democrats let themselves down, or rather Nick Clegg. Liberal Democrats had an opportunity to make a change, to make a difference, but after 60 odd years, *Sir* Nick Clegg completely torpedoed the opportunity. Reneging on Student fees didn’t help.

The situation for Liberal Democrats was such that Tim Farron had to resign due to his religious views. Kind of an irony considering he was a leader of a liberal party. Sir Vince Cable, he may be wise, but is too old, and lacks the longevity to develop his party and most importantly doesn’t appeal to the younger generations of remainers. Begs the question, why is the party not appointing a young leader? Perhaps there is none?

I feel Liberal Democrats sense their only chance to gain traction is to oppose Brexit. Sarah Olney beat Zach Goldsmith in Richmond, but the victory was a false hope as we know how the 2015, and 2017 elections turned out.

Sir vince may provide guidance, but I do not believe he can steer UK through Brexit simply because he doesn’t appeal to the larger demographic whom voted remain.
 
I agree with parts of your statement. The UK will turn nasty, but the reality is that racism, homophobia, and islamophobia were already percolating in the UK, in fact I would go as far as saying this was the case long before the EU referendum.

Begs the question, why is the party not appointing a young leader? Perhaps there is none?

Someone younger has to be prepared to stand.

As I said I would have gone for Swinson but there was no contest as only Sir Vince stood.

Lib Dems have to rebuild a core vote based on Europeanism, environmentalism, devolved Government and personal freedom. There are lots of new members which will translate into more Councillors and fresh faces coming up.
 
Not sure if anyone caught Nigel Farag’s LBC show yesterday morning. His guest was Alistair Campbell and imho he tore a new hole in Farages backside with respect to Brexit.
 
Great sound bite. Exit Brexit! Had a ring to it, no doubt!

Since it is the season to be blaming Brexit everything since the referendum, do you think Carillion’s collapse is because of Brexit? I only ask because The Times, the Guardian, and LBC elude so.

Of course they would say that: the Guardian overall leans towards Remain, the Times is a Murdoch-run establishment mouthpiece (therefore pro Remain) and LBC is rabidly anti-Brexit.
 
Not sure about that [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION]. Murdoch is a Leaver like most billionaires and The Sun was for Brexit. He might give The Times editor his head to appear balanced. LBC has one Remain presenter in JOB, probably another in Maajid but the rest are Leavers IIRC.
 
Not sure about that [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION]. Murdoch is a Leaver like most billionaires and The Sun was for Brexit. He might give The Times editor his head to appear balanced. LBC has one Remain presenter in JOB, probably another in Maajid but the rest are Leavers IIRC.

JOB was the best presenter on LBC. I say best, because since Brexit, he has become a one trick pony and can be annoying. I sure miss his mystery hour!
 
I agree. I saw this as Farage getting cold feet, hoping that the last referendum would get overturned. That way he and his chums like Boris Johnson could go back to being protestors raging against the authorities instead of being seen as responsible for what will probably be a disastrous decision long term for Britain.

Nail on head.
 
Ex-UKIP leader Nigel Farage has launched his new Brexit Party, saying he wants a "democratic revolution" in UK politics.

Speaking in Coventry, he said May's expected European elections were the party's "first step" but its "first task" was to "change politics".

"I said that if I did come back into the political fray it would be no more Mr Nice Guy and I mean it," he said.

But UKIP dismissed the Brexit Party as a "vehicle" for Mr Farage.

The launch comes after Prime Minister Theresa May agreed a Brexit delay to 31 October with the EU, with the option of leaving earlier if her withdrawal agreement is approved by Parliament.

This means the UK is likely to have to hold European Parliament elections on 23 May.

Mr Farage said the Brexit Party had an "impressive list" of 70 candidates for the elections. Among those revealed at the launch was Annunziata Rees-Mogg, sister of leading Conservative Brexiteer MP Jacob Rees-Mogg.

Mr Farage said: "This party is not here just to fight the European elections... this party is not just to express our anger - 23 May is the first step of the Brexit Party. We will change politics for good."

He said he was "angry, but this is not a negative emotion, this is a positive emotion".

The party had already received £750,000 online over 10 days, he said, made up of small donations of up to £500.

Ms Rees-Mogg said she had stuck with the Conservatives "through thick and thin", but added: "We've got to rescue our democracy, we have got to show that the people of this country have a say in how we are run."

Who is Annunziata Rees-Mogg?
Annunziata Rees-Mogg joined the Conservative Party, at the age of five, in 1984. She says she canvassed for the party from the age of eight.

The sister of Conservative Brexiteer MP Jacob Rees-Mogg, Ms Rees-Mogg stood unsuccessfully as a Conservative candidate in the 2005 and 2010 general elections.

The freelance journalist has written for the Daily Telegraph, MoneyWeek and the European.

Earlier, Mr Farage told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "In terms of policy, there's no difference (to UKIP), but in terms of personnel there is a vast difference.

"UKIP did struggle to get enough good people into it but unfortunately what it's chosen to do is allow the far right to join it and take it over and I'm afraid the brand is now tarnished."

He promised the Brexit Party would be "deeply intolerant of all intolerance" and would represent a cross-section of society.

UKIP leader Gerard Batten tweeted that Mr Farage's suggestion that there was no difference in policy between UKIP and the Brexit Party was "a lie".

He said: "UKIP has a manifesto and policies. Farage's party is just a vehicle for him."

He said the Brexit Party's "only purpose is to re-elect him (Mr Farage)" and was a "Tory/Establishment safety valve".

The Electoral Commission has issued European Parliamentary elections guidance for returning officers to advise them "on the rules should the elections go ahead" and to ensure they "have as much certainty as possible in developing contingency plans".

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47907350
 
Nigel Farage has been hit by a milkshake in Newcastle city centre, after a spate of similar incidents against far-right candidates in the European elections campaign.

The Brexit party leader appeared to be furious after the incident and was heard to mutter, “it’s a complete failure, you could have spotted that a mile off” as his security team led him away.

A 32-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of common assault, Northumbria police said.

Paul Crowther, who was dragged away and handcuffed, said: “It’s a right of protest against people like him.” Standing in handcuffs outside a Waterstones bookshop in Newcastle city centre, Crowther said he did not regret his actions.

He told reporters it was a banana and salted caramel milkshake bought from Five Guys. “I was quite looking forward to it, but I think it went on a better purpose,” he said.

Sean Seddon a reporter from the Newcastle Chronicle filmed the aftermath of the incident when passersby could be heard laughing at Farage. He reported that Farage asked his security team: “How did that happen?”

For a civilised democracy to work you need the losers consent, politicians not accepting the referendum result have led us to this.

Theresa May’s spokesman said: “The prime minister has been clear that politicians should be able to go about their work and campaign without harassment, intimidation, or abuse.

“In this case, I understand, an arrest has already been made, so I can’t comment further.

“But, the prime minister supports efforts to stamp out unacceptable and unlawful behaviour, and where incidents of harassment and abuse constitute a criminal offence this should be taken seriously by the police.”

Last week police asked a McDonald’s restaurant near an Edinburgh venue where Farage was speaking not to sell milkshakes because of concerns protesters might throw them.

The request followed a series of incidents in the campaign in which far-right figures such as Tommy Robinson and the Ukip candidate Carl Benjamin have had milkshakes and other food thrown at them by protesters.

Benjamin, who is under police investigation for comments he made about raping the Labour MP Jess Phillips, has been doused in milkshake at least four times during the campaign.

Exeter Cathedral banned Benjamin from taking part in hustings saying he might be a risk to public order after he was hit by a milkshake in Salisbury.

Brendan Cox, the widower of Jo Cox who was murdered in the run-up to the EU referendum in 2016, condemned the incident.

He tweeted that he disliked Farage’s politics profoundly, but said: “I don’t think throwing stuff at politicians you disagree with is a good idea. It normalises violence and intimidation and we should consistently stand again it.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...milkshake-in-newcastle?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
 
Milkshake attacks on right wing leaders in 2019:

Tommy Robinson (x2)
Nigel Farage

More milkshake air strikes to follow?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nigel Farage Dies Of Milkshake Wounds <a href="https://t.co/gUDS8j1gG0">https://t.co/gUDS8j1gG0</a> <a href="https://t.co/BRiAAq5ueK">pic.twitter.com/BRiAAq5ueK</a></p>— The Onion (@TheOnion) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1130574785233268741?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 20, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I have sent a letter of complaint to the Chief Constable of Kent Police and requested a full explanation. <a href="https://t.co/VTWgwnACow">pic.twitter.com/VTWgwnACow</a></p>— Nigel Farage (@Nigel_Farage) <a href="https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1258423522583613450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Farage needs to spend less time worrying about immigrants, and put his energies to better use. Like getting British workers onto the farms to pick the harvest before it all rots in the fields. We need our local workers to pick up the slack of the missing EU immigrant workers.

Just ask British farmers Nigel.
 
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