Nine-year-old black girl begged US police for help after being pepper sprayed, new video reveals

[MenInG]

A nine-year-old black girl pepper sprayed by police begged "please don't do this to me" and "it's burning my eyes" as she waited handcuffed in the back seat of a police car for 16 minutes, according to new police bodycam footage.

Officials in Rochester, New York, suspended the officers involved following the 29 January incident - and have now released almost 90 minutes of additional video to be transparent, said the city's mayor, Lovely Warren.

It comes amid growing anger following the release of footage at the time showing officers - responding to a report of "family trouble" - restraining the girl, who was distraught and screaming for her father.

In this this Jan. 29. 2021 still frame from a Rochester Police Department body-camera video, a nine-year-old girl is handcuffed in police custody in a police cruiser after police used pepper spray on her as she screamed for her father. Rochester, New York police released two body-camera videos of officers restraining the girl. According a local news outlet, Rochester Mayor Lovely Warren expressed her concern for the child. (Rochester Police Department via AP)

At one point, an officer is heard telling her to "stop acting like a child", to which she cried: "I am a child."

The new footage released on Thursday showed the wait until an ambulance arrived for the girl.

It shows officers growing increasingly impatient with the child as they tried to get her into the police car.

"I want a girl officer," pleads the child, as one officer comes forward and urges the girl to lift her legs into the car and "sit back".

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"I want to see my dad," the girl cries.

"I am going to go and get your dad," replies the officer. "I will call him. Come on, sit back."

"They are losing their patience," she says, apparently referring to the other male officers at the scene.

"I can't find your dad until you sit back and I close the door... I will find your dad, so sit back, I promise... just sit, hun.

"I am going to pepper spray you and I don't want to, so sit back," the officer continues.

"Sit back, come on. This is your last chance otherwise pepper spray is going in your eyeballs. Come on. Let's go."

The child, wearing flowered leggings and a black sweatshirt, refuses and is sprayed with a chemical irritant and begs the officer to "stop" and screams: "My eyes! Wipe my eyes, please!"

"Officer, please don't do this to me."

"You did it to yourself, hun," replies the policewoman.

"It's burning my eyes," says the girl.

"That's the point of a pepper spray, The ambulance is on it's way and they will clear your eyes out," the officer responds.

"The pepper spray is burning my eyes... It's going into my mouth," cries the child.

At one point, a male officer can be heard saying "it's supposed to burn".

The girl also complains "the handcuffs are too tight" several times.

"Get it out my eyes, it hurts," she cries, referring again to the chemical, and asks several times when the ambulance will arrive to clean her eyes.

The child is eventually driven away from the scene by paramedics, and is accompanied by the policewoman who reassures her that she is with an all-female ambulance crew, suggesting the girl's eyes are shut tight because of the pepper spray.

The girl's mother said she called police during an argument with her husband, but asked officers to call mental health services when it became clear her daughter was very upset.

The police body camera video shows numerous police cars and officers at the scene.

Police said the girl disobeyed commands to put her feet in the car and that an officer was then "required" to spray an "irritant" in the handcuffed girl's face.

Governor Andrew Cuomo said the new footage was "even more shocking and disturbing" than the first video.

"New Yorkers in every corner of the state are sickened by these actions and as a father of three daughters, I'm furious," he said in a statement.

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[WhenSultansBowled]

These police "officers" just traumatized a child for life. What a way to mess up a young mind. She will have PTSD of this incident for a long time.



"You did it to yourself, hun," replies the policewoman No, she didn't. Y'all did this.

 

[guna]

The girl was fighting the police restraint. She could have been easily over powered by the police officer. Choosing pepper spray was a bit too excess. If its not there in the arrest protocols for the minors, then these officers should be charged with the use of excess force.

 

[aloo paratha]

Isn't this what people wanted? They avoided physical force.

 

[observer1]

Isn't this what people wanted? They avoided physical force.

I didn't know that avoiding physical force translates to pepperspraying a 9 year old in the face and putting on handcuffs too tight.

Amazing how Police are able to stay relaxed and offer bottles of water to white rioters and murderers like Kyle Rittenhouse.

Makes ya think.

 

[Giannis]

Isn't this what people wanted? They avoided physical force.

Are you stupid? They've been using tasers and pepper sprays since forever, you're NOT supposed to use ANY type of force against a freaking 9 YEAR OLD KID

 

[aloo paratha]

I didn't know that avoiding physical force translates to pepperspraying a 9 year old in the face and putting on handcuffs too tight.

Amazing how Police are able to stay relaxed and offer bottles of water to white rioters and murderers like Kyle Rittenhouse.

Makes ya think.

Police officers kill/brutalize people of all races. It's just that when they kill white people, you don't hear about it because people don't care, and it doesn't make as much money.

Also what else do you want the cops to do? They tried to talk to her for 5 whole minutes.

Kyle Rittenhouse situation was self defense by the way.

 

[aloo paratha]

Are you stupid? They've been using tasers and pepper sprays since forever, you're NOT supposed to use ANY type of force against a freaking 9 YEAR OLD KID

What should the cops do then?

 

[Giannis]

What should the cops do then?

Nothing bro, help out the 9 year old. Are you pro child abuse? What is wrong with people these days

 

[Giannis]

Police officers kill/brutalize people of all races. It's just that when they kill white people, you don't hear about it because people don't care, and it doesn't make as much money.

Also what else do you want the cops to do? They tried to talk to her for 5 whole minutes.

Kyle Rittenhouse situation was self defense by the way.

Why are you always so defensive of white people? You're not white, take a look in the mirror. Btw where in Canada do you live? Cause I feel like you have very little real exposure to white people as is the case with most desis in the six/905 area

 

[aloo paratha]

Why are you always so defensive of white people? You're not white, take a look in the mirror. Btw where in Canada do you live? Cause I feel like you have very little real exposure to white people as is the case with most desis in the six/905 area

Because I live in an objective reality, not fantasy land. What's wrong is wrong, race isn't important. You're not black (I'm assuming), why are you defensive of black people?

I live near Toronto. I've encountered enough white people man, I've been living here all my life

 

[Giannis]

Because I live in an objective reality, not fantasy land. What's wrong is wrong, race isn't important. You're not black (I'm assuming), why are you defensive of black people?

I live near Toronto. I've encountered enough white people man, I've been living here all my life

Cause I'm minority and we gotta support other minorities against white supremacy. Toronto don't count, it don't matter if you lived your whole life, brown people don't interact much with white people, y'all got very surface level relations and look at them amiably the way a grateful immigrant

 

[aloo paratha]

Cause I'm minority and we gotta support other minorities against white supremacy. Toronto don't count, it don't matter if you lived your whole life, brown people don't interact much with white people, y'all got very surface level relations and look at them amiably the way a grateful immigrant

Can I ask where you live and how old you are?

In all my life I've never seen a white supremacist. Neither has anybody I know. White supremacy is basically dead in 2021. It's been like this for some decades. You talk as if encountering a white supremacist is a daily thing for minorities

So you're going to tell me I don't interact much with white people? Majority of the people I encounter daily are white, 90% of my school teachers have been white. How are you trying to tell me that white people are oppressing me when I've never experienced anything like that in my entire life.

 

[Stewie]

Can I ask where you live and how old you are?

In all my life I've never seen a white supremacist. Neither has anybody I know. White supremacy is basically dead in 2021. It's been like this for some decades. You talk as if encountering a white supremacist is a daily thing for minorities

So you're going to tell me I don't interact much with white people? Majority of the people I encounter daily are white, 90% of my school teachers have been white. How are you trying to tell me that white people are oppressing me when I've never experienced anything like that in my entire life.

Crawl out of the hole under which you are living. White supremacists are everywhere. They do t advertise themselves commonly unless it’s a big parade like Charlottesville. Here in the US white supremacist rallies have had the highest turnout in years.

Gotta catch up on the news once in a while, bud

 

[aloo paratha]

Crawl out of the hole under which you are living. White supremacists are everywhere. They do t advertise themselves commonly unless it’s a big parade like Charlottesville. Here in the US white supremacist rallies have had the highest turnout in years.

Gotta catch up on the news once in a while, bud

Lol okay bro. Keep being scared of the invisible white supremacist boogeyman I'll live my life normally because racism has never been more of a non issue in the western world.

 

[aloo paratha]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Racism is not dead, but it is on life support — kept alive by politicians, race hustlers and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as "racists."</p>— Thomas Sowell (@ThomasSowell) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThomasSowell/status/1313648833621094400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Relevant quote

 

[Stewie]

Lol okay bro. Keep being scared of the invisible white supremacist boogeyman I'll live my life normally because racism has never been more of a non issue in the western world.

Invisible to you doesn’t mean they don’t exist. What would take to convince you they are around and a threat?

Assessment of apolitical government departments such as US department of homeland security?
Click here: https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...st-persistent-and-lethal-threat-within-the-us

Here is another: Forbes is not a political entity by the way.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlie...remacist-terrorism-on-the-rise-and-spreading/

How about news coverage of “actual” and not made up white supremacist rallies?
https://time.com/charlottesville-white-nationalist-rally-clashes/

You still want to bury your head in the sand, go right ahead. Be happy you are living in Canada and not the southern states of the US.

 

[aloo paratha]

Invisible to you doesn’t mean they don’t exist. What would take to convince you they are around and a threat?

Assessment of apolitical government departments such as US department of homeland security?
Click here: https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...st-persistent-and-lethal-threat-within-the-us

Here is another: Forbes is not a political entity by the way.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlie...remacist-terrorism-on-the-rise-and-spreading/

How about news coverage of “actual” and not made up white supremacist rallies?
https://time.com/charlottesville-white-nationalist-rally-clashes/

You still want to bury your head in the sand, go right ahead. Be happy you are living in Canada and not the southern states of the US.

Obviously they still exist. Question is that do they have enough power to disrupt most peoples lives? The answer is a resounding no. It shows when the example you provide is almost 4 years old.

 

[aloo paratha]

Obviously they still exist. Question is that do they have enough power to disrupt most peoples lives? The answer is a resounding no. It shows when the example you provide is almost 4 years old.

White supremacy and white privilege has just become a convenient thing for minorities to blame when they themselves are unsuccessful due to their own shortcomings

 

[marlonbrowndo]

White supremacy and white privilege has just become a convenient thing for minorities to blame when they themselves are unsuccessful due to their own shortcomings

The only hope for you is that you’re still young so you have enough time to learn or have a life changing experience that will cause you to come out of this hole of complete ignorance that you have dug yourself into.

 

[Stewie]

Obviously they still exist. Question is that do they have enough power to disrupt most peoples lives? The answer is a resounding no. It shows when the example you provide is almost 4 years old.

So four years old is not recent enough? A minute ago you were sounding like we were all living in the segregation era full of racist white people and now that I have you evidence, you are flip flopping.
Did you even read the one about the department of homeland security? They are the biggest threat.. according to them. How much more evidence you need? And you said exactly that they were a non issue in the current era.

Sometimes it’s ok to admit you were wrong in your assessment. In fact I would say you are probably right considering you live in Canada, probably a teen or twenty something, never ventured outside your area or comfort zone. In our youth we tend to have an optimist world is all rosy outlook. So I don’t blame you.

 

[aloo paratha]

The only hope for you is that you’re still young so you have enough time to learn or have a life changing experience that will cause you to come out of this hole of complete ignorance that you have dug yourself into.

I've lived in Canada for all of my almost 19 years on the planet. Not once have I had a racist encounter with a white person. Actually I've never had a racist encounter with anybody really, the only time was once in primary school when an Asian kid called me a terrorist. White people haven't held me back at all. In fact, I'm doing better than most white people I know from high school. The bar wasn't any higher for me because I'm brown. It's 2021, not 1921.

 

[aloo paratha]

So four years old is not recent enough? A minute ago you were sounding like we were all living in the segregation era full of racist white people and now that I have you evidence, you are flip flopping.
Did you even read the one about the department of homeland security? They are the biggest threat.. according to them. How much more evidence you need? And you said exactly that they were a non issue in the current era.

Sometimes it’s ok to admit you were wrong in your assessment. In fact I would say you are probably right considering you live in Canada, probably a teen or twenty something, never ventured outside your area or comfort zone. In our youth we tend to have an optimist world is all rosy outlook. So I don’t blame you.

homeland security can say whatever they like about future threats, I look at results, and live in the present. Antifa and BLM wreaked more havoc in 2020 than white supremacist's probably have since the start of this millennium.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

I've lived in Canada for all of my almost 19 years on the planet. Not once have I had a racist encounter with a white person. Actually I've never had a racist encounter with anybody really, the only time was once in primary school when an Asian kid called me a terrorist. White people haven't held me back at all. In fact, I'm doing better than most white people I know from high school. The bar wasn't any higher for me because I'm brown. It's 2021, not 1921.

Congratulations. Doesn’t mean anything though

 

[aloo paratha]

Congratulations. Doesn’t mean anything though

Ah so only experiences that confirm your beliefs count? It's sad that you fell into the SJW craziness as soon as you came here

 

[Stewie]

homeland security can say whatever they like about future threats, I look at results, and live in the present. Antifa and BLM wreaked more havoc in 2020 than white supremacist's probably have since the start of this millennium.

That’ sounds a lot like “I wouldn’t believe any evidence the experts are showing because it doesn’t agree with my reality.”

Which is fine with me really. To each their own. But don’t try to pass your opinion as a fact in such discussions where you yourself have little to no expertise.

 

[Halaribo]

I've lived in Canada for all of my almost 19 years on the planet. Not once have I had a racist encounter with a white person. Actually I've never had a racist encounter with anybody really, the only time was once in primary school when an Asian kid called me a terrorist. White people haven't held me back at all. In fact, I'm doing better than most white people I know from high school. The bar wasn't any higher for me because I'm brown. It's 2021, not 1921.

Sit down, bacha.

You're under 20 and living in Toronto. How diverse has your social circle been? What's your exposure to adults beyond family, your friends parents and school?

19 years on the planet, of which about 6 to 8 you've probably really noticed and thought about your environment in a different way than a child does.

When you've got some waal on your chaathi, then come back to the convo.

Lol patronisation intended. You weren't even around for 9/11 and you're telling us about racism and white supremacy being dead.

 

[Stewie]

homeland security can say whatever they like about future threats, I look at results, and live in the present. Antifa and BLM wreaked more havoc in 2020 than white supremacist's probably have since the start of this millennium.

Antifa and BLM (the rogue version) definitely has caused damage but they are not as organized as white supremacists. You can go to storm front portal and the sheer number of their registered members on live on the forum will astound you. Same goes for their core ideology and discussions that you can read for yourself.

You are 19, living a shielded life. You probably wouldn’t even k ow if you were a victim of racism. White racism works differently for different people. It’s not always about mugging and/or bearings, etc.

 

[Stewie]

It’s a shame though, that you cannot sympathize with a 9year old girls situation. You have to be an absolute heartless monster to laugh at or condone the police actions in this case. No matter if you are a shielded 19 year desi Canadian or 50 year old grizzled Chacha sitting in pakistan.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Sit down, bacha.

You're under 20 and living in Toronto. How diverse has your social circle been? What's your exposure to adults beyond family, your friends parents and school?

19 years on the planet, of which about 6 to 8 you've probably really noticed and thought about your environment in a different way than a child does.

When you've got some waal on your chaathi, then come back to the convo.

Lol patronisation intended. You weren't even around for 9/11 and you're telling us about racism and white supremacy being dead.

The real scary part is when you get indocrtrinated as a kid like that, eventually it won’t matter even if he experiences direct racism. He will either ignore it by saying something like “oh I have thick skin unlike the rest of these minorities” or he will say something like “my one bad experience isn’t representative of how things are”. It’s too easy to read and predict.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Racism is not dead, but it is on life support — kept alive by politicians, race hustlers and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as "racists."</p>— Thomas Sowell (@ThomasSowell) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThomasSowell/status/1313648833621094400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Relevant quote

I agree with that quote.

Also i really like watching Thomas Sowell economic videos. Him and Milton Friedman completely changed my views on the economy.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Police brutality is out of control in the US. However its not really a race thing anymore. They abuse all communities. Without a doubt Blacks are hurt the most, but no one is immune from them.

 

[aloo paratha]

Sit down, bacha.

You're under 20 and living in Toronto. How diverse has your social circle been? What's your exposure to adults beyond family, your friends parents and school?

19 years on the planet, of which about 6 to 8 you've probably really noticed and thought about your environment in a different way than a child does.

When you've got some waal on your chaathi, then come back to the convo.

Lol patronisation intended. You weren't even around for 9/11 and you're telling us about racism and white supremacy being dead.

Antifa and BLM (the rogue version) definitely has caused damage but they are not as organized as white supremacists. You can go to storm front portal and the sheer number of their registered members on live on the forum will astound you. Same goes for their core ideology and discussions that you can read for yourself.

You are 19, living a shielded life. You probably wouldn’t even k ow if you were a victim of racism. White racism works differently for different people. It’s not always about mugging and/or bearings, etc.

I love when people who are not me, try to convince me that white people are oppressing me

Sounding a lot like white liberals. "Your opinion is only valid as long as you agree with us". Had I been saying I've experienced so much racism, my opinion would suddenly be valid.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

I love when people who are not me, try to convince me that white people are oppressing me

Sounding a lot like white liberals. "Your opinion is only valid as long as you agree with us". Had I been saying I've experienced so much racism, my opinion would suddenly be valid.

But not a single person has even claimed that you’ve been a victim of direct racism from white people. I swear these people always circle back around to the same whataboutisms and stale rebuttals. Next

 

[aloo paratha]

I agree with that quote.

Also i really like watching Thomas Sowell economic videos. Him and Milton Friedman completely changed my views on the economy.

Agreed. 2020 has been the year of the red pill. Not only because I've had more time, but also due to the events that occurred. Check out Larry Elder and John Stossel as well on YouTube. Eye opening.

 

[aloo paratha]

But not a single person has even claimed that you’ve been a victim of direct racism from white people. I swear these people always circle back around to the same whataboutisms and stale rebuttals. Next

"You are 19, living a shielded life. You probably wouldn’t even know if you were a victim of racism"

What's this then?

Also you saying my experience means nothing because it doesn't agree with your view is similar.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Agreed. 2020 has been the year of the red pill. Not only because I've had more time, but also due to the events that occurred. Check out Larry Elder and John Stossel as well on YouTube. Eye opening.

I have seen John stossel videos, but have not seen Larry Elder so will check him out. I read above your 19, so congrats on learning about all this at such an early age.

I am in my early thirties, and its just in the last few years that i stopped being a liberal and became more of a centrist.

 

[aloo paratha]

The real scary part is when you get indocrtrinated as a kid like that, eventually it won’t matter even if he experiences direct racism. He will either ignore it by saying something like “oh I have thick skin unlike the rest of these minorities” or he will say something like “my one bad experience isn’t representative of how things are”. It’s too easy to read and predict.

Actually I already think like that. Sure you can think of me as indoctrinated, I think you are indoctrinated as well. At least I won't be crying on social media about oppression because someone said words I don't like.

Also if a black person wrongs me once, isn't it right to say “my one bad experience isn’t representative of how black people are”? If it's not then I guess I would have to denounce all blacks as ______ (insert bad experience here) which has done to death in the past... By white supremacists...

 

[aloo paratha]

I have seen John stossel videos, but have not seen Larry Elder so will check him out. I read above your 19, so congrats on learning about all this at such an early age.

I am in my early thirties, and its just in the last few years that i stopped being a liberal and became more of a centrist.

I read a good joke once. "If you're not a liberal at 20, you don't have a heart. If you're not a conservative by 30, you don't have a brain"

 

[aloo paratha]

It’s a shame though, that you cannot sympathize with a 9year old girls situation. You have to be an absolute heartless monster to laugh at or condone the police actions in this case. No matter if you are a shielded 19 year desi Canadian or 50 year old grizzled Chacha sitting in pakistan.

I never said the cops were right in what they did.

 

[aloo paratha]

That’ sounds a lot like “I wouldn’t believe any evidence the experts are showing because it doesn’t agree with my reality.”

Which is fine with me really. To each their own. But don’t try to pass your opinion as a fact in such discussions where you yourself have little to no expertise.

Homeland security says white supremacy is the biggest threat yet in the past year it's been the leftist groups who have done the vast majority of rioting, looting, murdering, destroying. Do they think I'm dumb?

 

[Stewie]

I love when people who are not me, try to convince me that white people are oppressing me

Sounding a lot like white liberals. "Your opinion is only valid as long as you agree with us". Had I been saying I've experienced so much racism, my opinion would suddenly be valid.

I never tried to convince you of anything happening to you or not. Because that would be stupid since I don’t know you. But I will definitely argue you are wrong, if I have lived in a southern state of the US since before you were born (which I have) and witnessed racism and somewhat experienced it, while you are a shielded 19 year old living in a very diverse country where racism is rare, denying that it even exists.

So it’s very very different what you are trying to claim and what you are actually saying compared to what you claim I’m trying to do.

Feel free to believe what you want, but don’t tell me you are right and I am wrong.

 

[aloo paratha]

I never tried to convince you of anything happening to you or not. Because that would be stupid since I don’t know you. But I will definitely argue you are wrong, if I have lived in a southern state of the US since before you were born (which I have) and witnessed racism and somewhat experienced it, while you are a shielded 19 year old living in a very diverse country where racism is rare, denying that it even exists.

So it’s very very different what you are trying to claim and what you are actually saying compared to what you claim I’m trying to do.

Feel free to believe what you want, but don’t tell me you are right and I am wrong.

Racism exists. White supremacy exists. Is it enough to derail your life, and ensure that you won't be successful, like it was say 100 years ago, no. So why sit and complain about it?

 

[Gilly]

Admittedly if the girl was white this would not even made the news.

This part is most telling though from Coumo,

Police said the girl disobeyed commands to put her feet in the car and that an officer was then "required" to spray an "irritant" in the handcuffed girl's face.

Governor Andrew Cuomo said the new footage was "even more shocking and disturbing" than the first video.

"New Yorkers in every corner of the state are sickened by these actions and as a father of three daughters, I'm furious," he said in a statement.

The cop has followed protocol and sprayed pepper spray when the girl did not follow commands, the person responsible for those protocols is Coumo.

All these incidents come back to people not following police orders, even if you think that police orders are wrong you get the chance to dispute them when you go to court or hire a lawyer to present your case.

 

[Stewie]

Racism exists. White supremacy exists. Is it enough to derail your life, and ensure that you won't be successful, like it was say 100 years ago, no. So why sit and complain about it?

If it affects innocent people it’s your social, moral, ethical and above all Muslim responsibility to say something about it and better yet do something about it. Most pakistanis are not affected by racism because we are hard workers and more often than not achieve greater success. But sometimes that success makes us a target. In Texas, I knew a pakistani business owner who was doing well and some hoodlums from his neighborhood shot him, took his nightly cash deposit and spray painted his store “sand n****er”.
If it happened to your dad or someone you knew, would you still have the same laissez-faire attitude?

Personally, i when I was a college student, I was pretty poor and used to live in a black neighborhood and drive a really old car. I used to come home late after working nights. I used to get pulled over all the time and cops would conduct a detailed search of my car (no apparent reason) other than I lived in a black neighborhood and drove an old car. If you live a life of privilege in Canada, be thankful nothing like this ever happened to you, but it’s pretty sickening if you claim “why worry” without spending any time in those shoes.

 

[Stewie]

Admittedly if the girl was white this would not even made the news.

This part is most telling though from Coumo,

The cop has followed protocol and sprayed pepper spray when the girl did not follow commands, the person responsible for those protocols is Coumo.

All these incidents come back to people not following police orders, even if you think that police orders are wrong you get the chance to dispute them when you go to court or hire a lawyer to present your case.

Can you provide any evidence that Cuomo passed a law or gave the state police a directive that they could use pepper spray on minors.. particularly 9 year old girls? Or are we supposed to take your word for it?

 

[aloo paratha]

If it affects innocent people it’s your social, moral, ethical and above all Muslim responsibility to say something about it and better yet do something about it. Most pakistanis are not affected by racism because we are hard workers and more often than not achieve greater success. But sometimes that success makes us a target. In Texas, I knew a pakistani business owner who was doing well and some hoodlums from his neighborhood shot him, took his nightly cash deposit and spray painted his store “sand n****er”.
If it happened to your dad or someone you knew, would you still have the same laissez-faire attitude?

Personally, i when I was a college student, I was pretty poor and used to live in a black neighborhood and drive a really old car. I used to come home late after working nights. I used to get pulled over all the time and cops would conduct a detailed search of my car (no apparent reason) other than I lived in a black neighborhood and drove an old car. If you live a life of privilege in Canada, be thankful nothing like this ever happened to you, but it’s pretty sickening if you claim “why worry” without spending any time in those shoes.

Like I said, bad people exist. Racists exist. Do you think we'll ever have paradise on Earth? Those who wrong people should face punishments, no doubt. My question is why focus on white supremacy only? Why not just general wrongdoing? it's clear you have something against white people in particular, which I am against.

 

[Gilly]

Can you provide any evidence that Cuomo passed a law or gave the state police a directive that they could use pepper spray on minors.. particularly 9 year old girls? Or are we supposed to take your word for it?

The officer stated that he was required to spray her if she did not follow orders to put her feet in the car, that was in the news report. Is this not true?.

The person in charge of state police is the governor of the state police and that is Coumo, any protocols passed for the state police would have to be passed by him. If this is incorrect then please correct me.

 

[Stewie]

Like I said, bad people exist. Racists exist. Do you think we'll ever have paradise on Earth? Those who wrong people should face punishments, no doubt. My question is why focus on white supremacy only? Why not just general wrongdoing? it's clear you have something against white people in particular, which I am against.

How is it clear? I would really like to know. Just because I am against white supremacism, how does that mean I am anti white?

 

[Stewie]

The officer stated that he was required to spray her if she did not follow orders to put her feet in the car, that was in the news report. Is this not true?.

The person in charge of state police is the governor of the state police and that is Coumo, any protocols passed for the state police would have to be passed by him. If this is incorrect then please correct me.

Police departments have their own directives and as far as I know, they don’t need approval from state governors as long as it is not against the law. That’s falls under the general “better judgment” clause. I know earlier in February, quite possibly due to this case, they are banning pepper spray use on minors. You can hold the governor responsible, sure but I think then you should hold everybody down the chain responsible too including the cops who did it. There are a lot of ways you can handle a situation with an unruly kid. The cops are trained too subdue grown adults, are you telling me they could not simply restrain an agitated young girl and had to pepper spray her?

 

[aloo paratha]

How is it clear? I would really like to know. Just because I am against white supremacism, how does that mean I am anti white?

Well now that I go back and read, I realize that it wasn't you, rather another poster who brought up white supremacy when all I said was that police brutalize all races, even white people. That would be a clear cut case.

It's clear still that you're obsessed with white supremacists even though they barely play a role in day to day life for minorities today. And by the arguments you've been trying to make, it's pretty clear to me that you have something against white people. Trying to tell me that white people are racist to me, I just can't see it, even though I can assure you they aren't.

 

[aloo paratha]

Actually I already think like that. Sure you can think of me as indoctrinated, I think you are indoctrinated as well. At least I won't be crying on social media about oppression because someone said words I don't like.

Also if a black person wrongs me once, isn't it right to say “my one bad experience isn’t representative of how black people are”? If it's not then I guess I would have to denounce all blacks as ______ (insert bad experience here) which has done to death in the past... By white supremacists...

[MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION] waiting on your reply bro...

 

[Stewie]

Well now that I go back and read, I realize that it wasn't you, rather another poster who brought up white supremacy when all I said was that police brutalize all races, even white people. That would be a clear cut case.

It's clear still that you're obsessed with white supremacists even though they barely play a role in day to day life for minorities today. And by the arguments you've been trying to make, it's pretty clear to me that you have something against white people. Trying to tell me that white people are racist to me, I just can't see it, even though I can assure you they aren't.

That’s my question how’s that clear still? How does one’s acknowledgment of white supremacism (which you have done as well) and denunciation of it (which I have and you have not) make me racist against whites? By the same logic, doesn’t thst make you a white supremacist? See where I am going with this? It’s idiotic and a logical fallacy.

You can disagree with me but being judgmental of someone based on their views is absolutely appalling. As usual feel free to disagree with me but if you continue being judgmental, as an adult in this conversation I would politely beg your leave.

 

[aloo paratha]

That’s my question how’s that clear still? How does one’s acknowledgment of white supremacism (which you have done as well) and denunciation of it (which I have and you have not) make me racist against whites? By the same logic, doesn’t thst make you a white supremacist? See where I am going with this? It’s idiotic and a logical fallacy.

You can disagree with me but being judgmental of someone based on their views is absolutely appalling. As usual feel free to disagree with me but if you continue being judgmental, as an adult in this conversation I would politely beg your leave.

As I said, I mistook you for someone else who I was originally thinking about. But still, how is trying to tell me that white people may be racist to me, I just don't see it, not something at least slightly racist. If I tried to convince you that black people may have planned to rob you, you just didn't know it, you'd call that racist, and so would I.

 

[Bigboii]

Lol okay bro. Keep being scared of the invisible white supremacist boogeyman I'll live my life normally because racism has never been more of a non issue in the western world.

You live in freaking Toronto dude why the HELL would it be part of your life or something
you have to experience more life/places to categorically rule out the "invisible boogeyman" part but living in a place like Toronto you cannot rule out racism that's just ignorant

But I am not mad at you tbh this is a phase (I went through something similar but gaining/understanding different experiences help)...

 

[Bigboii]

Police brutality is out of control in the US. However its not really a race thing anymore. They abuse all communities. Without a doubt Blacks are hurt the most, but no one is immune from them.

yep agreed!!!

 

[Bigboii]

Can you provide any evidence that Cuomo passed a law or gave the state police a directive that they could use pepper spray on minors.. particularly 9 year old girls? Or are we supposed to take your word for it?

If they were machines, I could have understood the protocol

But a human officer should know whatever the protocols pepper spraying a 9 y/o isn't a good look)

 

[Gilly]

Police departments have their own directives and as far as I know, they don’t need approval from state governors as long as it is not against the law. That’s falls under the general “better judgment” clause. I know earlier in February, quite possibly due to this case, they are banning pepper spray use on minors. You can hold the governor responsible, sure but I think then you should hold everybody down the chain responsible too including the cops who did it. There are a lot of ways you can handle a situation with an unruly kid. The cops are trained too subdue grown adults, are you telling me they could not simply restrain an agitated young girl and had to pepper spray her?

Whatever method the police use to restrain a child will be criticized, that is a given.

The simplest and most efficient way would have been for the police to use physical force to put the girl in the car, but then we know how that would have been portrayed, police brutality.

There is no simple solution or peaceful way to deal with people that do not comply with authority.

The laws are not wrong, its when people don't follow the laws things go pear shaped.

 

[Gilly]

If they were machines, I could have understood the protocol

But a human officer should know whatever the protocols pepper spraying a 9 y/o isn't a good look)

How do you deal with people that won't follow police instructions.

 

[Stewie]

As I said, I mistook you for someone else who I was originally thinking about. But still, how is trying to tell me that white people may be racist to me, I just don't see it, not something at least slightly racist. If I tried to convince you that black people may have planned to rob you, you just didn't know it, you'd call that racist, and so would I.

When you get passed over for a promotion without any reasons but the hiring manager’s personal preference or get denied a job, is what I meant. And it does happen. I was part of a team that made hiring decisions but our director could veto certain candidates and I noticed as soon as he met the so called “unwritten quota” for minorities he would start favoring white candidates regardless of eligible minority ones.
So the victim is none the wiser but that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Racism is not just about someone hurling verbal or physical abuse at you or mugging you. There is blatant racism and then there is systemic under the table one. These are personal experiences, which is why I always maintained you can disagree with me all you want if you don’t believe me.
But my belief does not make me anti white and similarly your experiences should not lead you to believe that white racists do not exist because .. well you never experienced racism...neither should they make you believe that if they do exist they can’t hurt you because living in Northern America, if you cross paths with them, the possibility is certainly there. I pray they don’t though.

point is: let’s not be dismissive of certain aspects of today’s society and pretend the negative elements do not exist and are just a figment of someone’s imagination. I don’t know how much of that got through to you.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

When you get passed over for a promotion without any reasons but the hiring manager’s personal preference or get denied a job, is what I meant. And it does happen. I was part of a team that made hiring decisions but our director could veto certain candidates and I noticed as soon as he met the so called “unwritten quota” for minorities he would start favoring white candidates regardless of eligible minority ones.
So the victim is none the wiser but that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Racism is not just about someone hurling verbal or physical abuse at you or mugging you. There is blatant racism and then there is systemic under the table one. These are personal experiences, which is why I always maintained you can disagree with me all you want if you don’t believe me.
But my belief does not make me anti white and similarly your experiences should not lead you to believe that white racists do not exist because .. well you never experienced racism...neither should they make you believe that if they do exist they can’t hurt you because living in Northern America, if you cross paths with them, the possibility is certainly there. I pray they don’t though.

point is: let’s not be dismissive of certain aspects of today’s society and pretend the negative elements do not exist and are just a figment of someone’s imagination. I don’t know how much of that got through to you.

were the white candidates also qualified? were they worse, the same, better than the minorities? If both the white and minority were qualified and equally good, its impossible to prove that the manager was racist or that he should have hired the minority.

 

[Bigboii]

How do you deal with people that won't follow police instructions.

watch the video they're already using physical force...
or you want tham to beat the poor child with a bottan cause this is the only physical force you accept

 

[Stewie]

Whatever method the police use to restrain a child will be criticized, that is a given.

The simplest and most efficient way would have been for the police to use physical force to put the girl in the car, but then we know how that would have been portrayed, police brutality.

There is no simple solution or peaceful way to deal with people that do not comply with authority.

The laws are not wrong, its when people don't follow the laws things go pear shaped.

I agree but being a cop is hard work, it was never expected to be easy. I think spraying a child is a cop out and the easy way out because you don’t want to do the hard work of restraining them and putting them in the backseat of your car. I have seen cops do that with grown adults and cuffing them. If the cops did that to her I would be fine with that because she was being difficult but pepper spraying her is just wrong. They just did that for their own convenience. By the way this is not a black or white thing for me. I would say the same regardless of the child’s race. Because I am a father of a 10 year old girl myself so this sort of news always hits me hard and angers me immensely.

 

[Gilly]

watch the video they're already using physical force...
or you want tham to beat the poor child with a bottan cause this is the only physical force you accept

Sorry but you have completely misread my comments.

I'm asking you how do you think the police should deal with people that refuse to follow police instructions?.

 

[Stewie]

were the white candidates also qualified? were they worse, the same, better than the minorities? If both the white and minority were qualified and equally good, its impossible to prove that the manager was racist or that he should have hired the minority.

That’s the point. Some minority candidates were more qualified but the director can say “I liked this guys personality better because he/she would fit in better with our company’s culture”. What do you say to that? Most hiring decisions are actually made on that basis of the job requirements are not particularly well defined. You can’t prove racism in such cases. Almost impossible to do it.

 

[Bigboii]

So she was handcuffed and they were also holding her hands tightly so she wont escape

The excuse of physical force isnt working properly

 

[Gilly]

I agree but being a cop is hard work, it was never expected to be easy. I think spraying a child is a cop out and the easy way out because you don’t want to do the hard work of restraining them and putting them in the backseat of your car. I have seen cops do that with grown adults and cuffing them. If the cops did that to her I would be fine with that because she was being difficult but pepper spraying her is just wrong. They just did that for their own convenience. By the way this is not a black or white thing for me. I would say the same regardless of the child’s race. Because I am a father of a 10 year old girl myself so this sort of news always hits me hard and angers me immensely.

My take on how the police handled the situation is that the girl would not put her feet in the car, they could have just physically forced her to do so but have been instructed not to use physical force and to use pepper spray instead. I think this because the police said that it is required to use the spray.

Why was this girl acting like this, her mother was there so why was she in such a state?.

 

[Stewie]

My take on how the police handled the situation is that the girl would not put her feet in the car, they could have just physically forced her to do so but have been instructed not to use physical force and to use pepper spray instead. I think this because the police said that it is required to use the spray.

Why was this girl acting like this, her mother was there so why was she in such a state?.

So you are questioning the judgment of a child now?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

My take on how the police handled the situation is that the girl would not put her feet in the car, they could have just physically forced her to do so but have been instructed not to use physical force and to use pepper spray instead. I think this because the police said that it is required to use the spray.

Why was this girl acting like this, her mother was there so why was she in such a state?.

They already used physical force to cuff her. They used physical force to put her in the car, whats some more physical force to make sure her legs were in so they could close the door.

 

[Gilly]

They already used physical force to cuff her. They used physical force to put her in the car, whats some more physical force to make sure her legs were in so they could close the door.

The response from the police was that they were required to use the spray, I agree that they should have just physically forced her to put her feet in the car and the police probably thought that it would have been better to just force her. I also know that they police would have been criticized no matter what they did, being a young child and then being black was always going to rile up anyone that dislikes the police or have other agendas they want to push.

 

[Stewie]

The response from the police was that they were required to use the spray, I agree that they should have just physically forced her to put her feet in the car and the police probably thought that it would have been better to just force her. I also know that they police would have been criticized no matter what they did, being a young child and then being black was always going to rile up anyone that dislikes the police or have other agendas they want to push.

Police are never “required” to resort to use of any weapons or such tactics. That’s a bunch of baloney. I don’t think any law or rule or standard operating procedure would ever state that “if you can gain on objective without deploying any use of force, it’s better to just go ahead and use force anyway”
How much sense does that make? That’s of course beside the point that we are talking about a child in this case.

 

[Gilly]

So you are questioning the judgment of a child now?

This girl was in a very emotional distressed state, not from the police but from her own parents fighting each other, I too have children and I have never put my children in a situation where they are so emotionally distressed so I have no experience with her behavior. The police were always in a lose lose position and there is nothing they could have done that was reasonable.

 

[Stewie]

This girl was in a very emotional distressed state, not from the police but from her own parents fighting each other, I too have children and I have never put my children in a situation where they are so emotionally distressed so I have no experience with her behavior. The police were always in a lose lose position and there is nothing they could have done that was reasonable.

Oh really?

Just wow!

 

[Stewie]

“I’m not going to stand here and tell you that for a 9-year-old to have to be pepper-sprayed is OK,” said the Rochester police chief, Cynthia Herriott-Sullivan.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/31/nyregion/rochester-police-pepper-spray-child.html

 

[Gilly]

Police are never “required” to resort to use of any weapons or such tactics. That’s a bunch of baloney. I don’t think any law or rule or standard operating procedure would ever state that “if you can gain on objective without deploying any use of force, it’s better to just go ahead and use force anyway”
How much sense does that make? That’s of course beside the point that we are talking about a child in this case.

You have misunderstood what I wrote.

The police appear to have been instructed that the use of spray is preferable to physical force when the person is not following instructions. Yes I know that they used physical force to handcuff her but once the handcuffs were in place they then resort to spray instead of physical force.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

The response from the police was that they were required to use the spray, I agree that they should have just physically forced her to put her feet in the car and the police probably thought that it would have been better to just force her. I also know that they police would have been criticized no matter what they did, being a young child and then being black was always going to rile up anyone that dislikes the police or have other agendas they want to push.

The police chief should not say this then:

Interim Police Chief Cynthia Herriott-Sullivan said she didn't agree with the decision to pepper spray the girl. She added, in an interview last week, that the names of the officers wouldn't be released, because she was fearful for their safety — citing threats and other actions targeting police as well as the girl's mother.

"I do not agree that, in this instance, we should have pepper-sprayed this girl ... I don't," she said. "And I have said as much. But I have also said when we do things wrong or, you know, there are issues, we own them."

https://www.democratandchronicle.co...d-pepper-spraying-girl-identified/6746384002/

If that's the legal requirement to pepper spay in this situation, then the officers should not be suspended, and the chief will have lost all support among staff.

 

[Gilly]

“I’m not going to stand here and tell you that for a 9-year-old to have to be pepper-sprayed is OK,” said the Rochester police chief, Cynthia Herriott-Sullivan.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/31/nyregion/rochester-police-pepper-spray-child.html

From the same story:

Michael Mazzeo, president of the union representing Rochester police officers, defended the officers’ actions and said they were confronted with a difficult situation. “Those officers and those scenes, they broke no policy,” Mr. Mazzeo said at a news conference on Sunday. “There’s nothing that anyone can say they did that’s inappropriate.”

On Friday afternoon, officers received a 911 call reporting “family trouble,” and arrived to find the 9-year-old girl dressed in a black hoodie and colorful leggings. She “indicated that she wanted to kill herself, and she wanted to kill her mom,” Deputy Police Chief Andre Anderson said on Sunday.

The girl initially tried running away, Mr. Anderson said. She repeatedly screamed at the officers, “I want my dad.” As the officers handcuffed her, she pleaded with them to stop, her body covered in snow, the video footage showed.

We need to allow a proper investigation that gives all the facts before making judgements on anyone's actions here.

 

[guna]

The race of the girl was unnecessary in the title. Will it make a difference if the girl was white or Asian?

Far left media wants to keep the race hatred burning. If it was a white girl, they would not even mention the race.

 

[Robert]

Horrifying if a bunch of police officers cannot control a small child without pepper spray.

 

[Gilly]

Horrifying if a bunch of police officers cannot control a small child without pepper spray.

Last month it would have been "Horrifying if a bunch of police officers cannot control a small child without Physical force."

How are police officers supposed to control a small child that is out of control. Cant use pepper spray, can't use physical force. Please do tell.