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Even the occasional drink is harmful to health, according to the largest and most detailed research carried out on the effects of alcohol, which suggests governments should think of advising people to abstain completely.

The uncompromising message comes from the authors of the Global Burden of Diseases study, a rolling project based at the University of Washington, in Seattle, which produces the most comprehensive data on the causes of illness and death in the world.


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Alcohol, says their report published in the Lancet medical journal, led to 2.8 million deaths in 2016. It was the leading risk factor for premature mortality and disability in the 15 to 49 age group, accounting for 20% of deaths.

Current alcohol drinking habits pose “dire ramifications for future population health in the absence of policy action today”, says the paper. “Alcohol use contributes to health loss from many causes and exacts its toll across the lifespan, particularly among men.”

Most national guidelines suggest there are health benefits to one or two glasses of wine or beer a day, they say. “Our results show that the safest level of drinking is none.”

The study was carried out by researchers at the Institute of Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME), who investigated levels of alcohol consumption and health effects in 195 countries between 1990 to 2016. They used data from 694 studies to work out how common drinking was and from 592 studies including 28 million people worldwide to work out the health risks.

Moderate drinking has been condoned for years on the assumption that there are some health benefits. A glass of red wine a day has long been said to be good for the heart. But although the researchers did find low levels of drinking offered some protection from heart disease, and possibly from diabetes and stroke, the benefits were far outweighed by alcohol’s harmful effects, they said.

Drinking alcohol was a big cause of cancer in the over-50s, particularly in women. Previous research has shown that one in 13 breast cancers in the UK were alcohol-related. The study found that globally, 27.1% of cancer deaths in women and 18.9% in men over 50 were linked to their drinking habits.

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In younger people globally the biggest causes of death linked to alcohol were tuberculosis (1.4% of deaths), road injuries (1.2%), and self-harm (1.1%).

In the UK, the chief medical officer Sally Davies has said there is no safe level of drinking, but the guidance suggests that drinkers consume no more than 14 units a week to keep the risks low. Half a pint of average-strength lager contains one unit and a 125ml glass of wine contains around 1.5 units.

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While the study shows that the increased risk of alcohol-related harm in younger people who have one drink a day is small (0.5%), it goes up incrementally with heavier drinking: to 7% among those who have two drinks a day (in line with UK guidance) and 37% for those who have five.

One in three, or 2.4 billion people around the world, drink alcohol, the study shows. A quarter of women and 39% of men drink. Denmark has the most drinkers (95.3% of women, and 97.1% of men). Pakistan has the fewest male drinkers (0.8%) and Bangladesh the fewest women (0.3%). Men in Romania and women in Ukraine drink the most (8.2 and 4.2 drinks a day respectively), while women in the UK take the eighth highest place in the female drinking league, with an average of three drinks a day.


“Alcohol poses dire ramifications for future population health in the absence of policy action today. Our results indicate that alcohol use and its harmful effects on health could become a growing challenge as countries become more developed, and enacting or maintaining strong alcohol control policies will be vital,” said the report’s senior author, Prof Emmanuela Gakidou.

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“Worldwide we need to revisit alcohol control policies and health programmes, and to consider recommendations for abstaining from alcohol. These include excise taxes on alcohol, controlling the physical availability of alcohol and the hours of sale, and controlling alcohol advertising. Any of these policy actions would contribute to reductions in population-level consumption, a vital step toward decreasing the health loss associated with alcohol use.”


Dr Robyn Burton, of King’s College London, said in a commentary in the Lancet that the conclusions of the study were clear and unambiguous. “Alcohol is a colossal global health issue and small reductions in health-related harms at low levels of alcohol intake are outweighed by the increased risk of other health-related harms, including cancer,” she wrote.

“There is strong support here for the guideline published by the Chief Medical Officer of the UK who found that there is ‘no safe level of alcohol consumption’.”


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Public health policy should be to prioritise measures to reduce the numbers who drink through price increases, taxation, or setting the price according to the strength of the drink (minimum unit pricing), followed by curbs on marketing and restricting the places where people can buy alcohol.

“These approaches should come as no surprise because these are also the most effective measures for curbing tobacco-related harms, another commercially mediated disease, with an increasing body of evidence showing that controlling obesity will require the same measures,” she wrote.

Ben Butler, a Drinkaware spokesperson, said: “This new study supports existing evidence about the harms associated with alcohol. Our research shows that over a quarter of UK adults typically exceed the low risk drinking guidelines and are running the risk of serious long term illnesses.”

But David Spiegelhalter, Winton professor for the public understanding of risk at the University of Cambridge, said the data showed only a very low level of harm in moderate drinkers and suggested UK guidelines were very low risk.

“Given the pleasure presumably associated with moderate drinking, claiming there is no ‘safe’ level does not seem an argument for abstention,” he said. “There is no safe level of driving, but government do not recommend that people avoid driving. Come to think of it, there is no safe level of living, but nobody would recommend abstention.”

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Humanity could very well look back in half a century and be disgusted alcohol was legal & consumed in such large amounts or a large proportion could be alcoholics with no sense of reality.
 
There is no such thing as being a moderate drinker. It's like saying I drink poison in moderation!
 
I always see these studies as waste of time, energy and resources.

Point being simple, in order to say that X has harmful effect on something, you need to weed out all other factors that could influence the outcome. And none of these studies do that or more specifically, they can't do that.

I have lived in Ukraine for 5 years. I have seen how people drink and I dare say, an Indian can drink more yet could live a healthy life style because the socio economic position of ukraine is such that, the life expectancy will always be low.

Their food habits are atrocious, health system is corrupted and full of incompetent doctors who doesn't even know basic medical knowledge. And the society as a whole is a broken one who could lead to psychological disorders even without alcohol or drugs getting in the way.

Obviously Ukraine will top the list. Not because they drink more but it will affect them more for factors which are unrelated to alcohol.
 
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Posting about alcohol here is pointless seeing as 90% don’t drink or even tried I.

I read the research and some of the protocols they used and testing methodology is questionable.

However this will never catch on as the alcohol industry will not allow it and alcohol is a staple in the UK and the West.
 
Posting about alcohol here is pointless seeing as 90% don’t drink or even tried I.

I read the research and some of the protocols they used and testing methodology is questionable.

However this will never catch on as the alcohol industry will not allow it and alcohol is a staple in the UK and the West.

There are many studies on beef being harmful for health? What are your thoughts on that?
 
I always see these studies as waste of time, energy and resources.

Point being simple, in order to say that X has harmful effect on something, you need to weed out all other factors that could influence the outcome. And none of these studies do that or more specifically, they can't do that.

I have lived in Ukraine for 5 years. I have seen how people drink and I dare say, an Indian can drink more yet could live a healthy life style because the socio economic position of ukraine is such that, the life expectancy will always be low.

Their food habits are atrocious, health system is corrupted and full of incompetent doctors who doesn't even know basic medical knowledge. And the society as a whole is a broken on who could lead to psychological disorders even without alcohol or drugs getting in the way.

Obviously Ukraine will top the list. Not because they drink more but it will affect them more for factors which are unrelated to alcohol.

Society is broken? You mean in a way that family structure is not stable among many?
 
Society is broken? You mean in a way that family structure is not stable among many?

There are lots of single parents. The woman are taking all the burden. They generally perform the role of both father and mother. In short, the generations after generations are missing what we call a functioning home.

Ukrainian woman are very tough mentally and physically. Most of them gone through situations in which others would have broken down. I have hence high respect to the females.
 
Obviously Ukraine will top the list. Not because they drink more but it will affect them more for factors which are unrelated to alcohol.

Yeah, the study seems to make the basic research error of mistaking correlation for causation.

People with other bad habits may also drink more alcohol, it doesn't imply that alcohol is the cause of bad health (if had in moderation).
 
Nature has blessed our mountains with so much good stuff that I never felt a need for alcohol.
 
Its a hypothesis.

If you jump up you will come back down - Law

If you drink salt water you will get hypertension - Hypothesis

No amount of alcohol is safe - Hypothesis.

Conclusion - Alcohol haters jumping up and down.
 
I have cut down a lot and drink once or twice a month at max these days.
This level of moderation is good imo.
You can socialize with friends without getting addicted.
Besides I mostly prefer Beer anyway so I guess shouldn't worry about too much.
 
There are many studies on beef being harmful for health? What are your thoughts on that?

I think it’s amount of beef and red you consume. I consumed moderation it’s okay. But for some reason I’m out household my mum and dad don’t cook or eat beef. At all. So only time I can eat is when we order out and I order a cheese burger or I make a steak.

But I’m all honesty I don’t consume a lot of beef, partially down to my mum don’t cook it and it’s wxownsive to eat steak on the regular and I’m a student.

Alcohol on the other hand I consume in the masses I went lie as a student. I’ve not Drank in over 7 months and at uni I’ll only drink before we head to a club.
 
Its a hypothesis.

If you jump up you will come back down - Law

If you drink salt water you will get hypertension - Hypothesis

No amount of alcohol is safe - Hypothesis.

Conclusion - Alcohol haters jumping up and down.

You come up with some delusional conclusion and obvious statement that seem to tell more about you than any other people on this forum.

Off course it is a hypothesis. But thank for the obvious statement. lol
 
You come up with some delusional conclusion and obvious statement that seem to tell more about you than any other people on this forum.

Off course it is a hypothesis. But thank for the obvious statement. lol

You failed to understand gist of the post. It shows the weakness in the approach of the research i.e. correlation leading to causation.
 
You failed to understand gist of the post. It shows the weakness in the approach of the research i.e. correlation leading to causation.

No medical research is perfect and almost no medical test is 100% sensitive.
 
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You come up with some delusional conclusion and obvious statement that seem to tell more about you than any other people on this forum.

Off course it is a hypothesis. But thank for the obvious statement. lol

Doesnt tell anything about me because i dont drink a whiff of alcohol.

Its just the validation of religious edicts by religious people through science, that they scorn at most times, which is frighteningly hilarious.

You dont have to jump up and down because our religion forbids alcohol.

We wouldnt have drunk it even if it cured Cancer and thats that
 
Doesnt tell anything about me because i dont drink a whiff of alcohol.

Its just the validation of religious edicts by religious people through science, that they scorn at most times, which is frighteningly hilarious.

You dont have to jump up and down because our religion forbids alcohol.

We wouldnt have drunk it even if it cured Cancer and thats that

LOL.

Its a hypothesis.

If you jump up you will come back down - Law

If you drink salt water you will get hypertension - Hypothesis

No amount of alcohol is safe - Hypothesis.

Conclusion - Alcohol haters jumping up and down.

Obviously it is a hypothesis.

And off course those who wants to validate their beliefs they will use this scientific finding to account.

Seem of those people who would ask for scientific evidence and when provided then will run away from it as fast as Usain Bolt or try to invalidate with obvious and ridiculous statement.

Probably no one really cares here if you drink or don't.

Who is "we"? and why are you speaking for everyone? you do not.
 
No medical research is perfect and almost no medical test is 100% sensitive.

you are a bit wrong here.

When a drug is test for a subject, the subjects are under observation all the time so that, the subject doesn't intake any ingredient which can cause positive or negative effect on the action of the drugs itself. This is done, in order to nullify the external factors that may hamper or accelerate the action of the drug. That's how a hypothesis is proven to be a theory.
 
you are a bit wrong here.

When a drug is test for a subject, the subjects are under observation all the time so that, the subject doesn't intake any ingredient which can cause positive or negative effect on the action of the drugs itself. This is done, in order to nullify the external factors that may hamper or accelerate the action of the drug. That's how a hypothesis is proven to be a theory.

You are presenting generalized statement.

I agree what you have said in regards to testing a drug.

But, here we are discussing alcohol.

Enough data exist if a person were to only consume alcohol it would have some harm full effects, now severity of those effects can be depended on the amount of consumption, person's genetics, social behavior, etc. Again, not everyone who consume alcohol socially become addicted.
 
LOL.



Obviously it is a hypothesis.

And off course those who wants to validate their beliefs they will use this scientific finding to account.

Seem of those people who would ask for scientific evidence and when provided then will run away from it as fast as Usain Bolt or try to invalidate with obvious and ridiculous statement.

Probably no one really cares here if you drink or don't.

Who is "we"? and why are you speaking for everyone? you do not.

Validation of beliefs with science only works if people are able to accept results that differ from their beliefs.

In short, if you are picking and choosing which belief to get validated by science, you are trying to validate religion which is immature.

Because religion is blind faith, not logic anyways.
 
Interesting how the positions have been reversed in this thread. Religious people coming out in support of science and non-religious ones pointing out that science is not infallible :yk
 
Humanity could very well look back in half a century and be disgusted alcohol was legal & consumed in such large amounts or a large proportion could be alcoholics with no sense of reality.

I doubt it. Alcohol consumption is as old as civilisation. People will always want to alter their consciousness. It may be that in time, drugs and alcohol will be replaced with VR experiences.

These days I will have a pint down the pub or a glass of wine over dinner, but no more as I feel rough the next day. A few more drinks on Christmas Day and New Year’s Eve.
 
Alcohol is the mother of evils. Nothing good comes out of it. Kindly quit it friends.
From fitness point of view it gives you empty calories. No nutrition at all. Its just a bad habit.
 
Alcohol is the mother of evils. Nothing good comes out of it. Kindly quit it friends.
From fitness point of view it gives you empty calories. No nutrition at all. Its just a bad habit.

How would you know if you never tried it?

A lot of fun can come out of it, if used responsibly.
 
Validation of beliefs with science only works if people are able to accept results that differ from their beliefs.

In short, if you are picking and choosing which belief to get validated by science, you are trying to validate religion which is immature.

Because religion is blind faith, not logic anyways.

Again, you stated the obvious and presented as if only you knew what you talking about.

This study was logical and evidence based.
 
How would you know if you never tried it?

A lot of fun can come out of it, if used responsibly.

You are right. But personally speaking, my belief makes it clear for me so that i dont feel the need to try it. Infact the Quran agrees with you that there might be some benefit but the harm outweighs the benefits.

* THEY WILL ASK thee about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: "In both there is great evil as well as some benefit for man; but the evil which they cause is greater than the benefit which they bring." And they will ask thee as to what they should spend [in God's cause]. Say: "Whatever you can spare." In this way God makes clear unto you His messages, so that you might reflect * (Quran 2:219)
 
Again, you stated the obvious and presented as if only you knew what you talking about.

This study was logical and evidence based.

You are stretching it too far.

This study is no where logical and evidence based. This isn't a study to begin with. its just conclusion from some random experiments.

They used data from 694 studies to work out how common drinking was and from 592 studies including 28 million people worldwide to work out the health risks.

They didn't even conduct a study! They just used data from several different resources and then deduce a conclusion. They have no idea what were the setups or what were the controls in those experiments in those years. It's no different than you and me taking some statistical data and coming to a conclusion disregarding any other external factors.

If they actually wanted to test a subject, they had used the isolated method and then analyse the findings.

What they did here is, just gather up some experiments and come to a conclusion.

And these experiments didn't meet the criteria where they will be relevant.

Why?

Because the procedure to deduce any implication for such hypothesis will require measures which will be unethical and illegal in most countries.
 
You are right. But personally speaking, my belief makes it clear for me so that i dont feel the need to try it. Infact the Quran agrees with you that there might be some benefit but the harm outweighs the benefits.

* THEY WILL ASK thee about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: "In both there is great evil as well as some benefit for man; but the evil which they cause is greater than the benefit which they bring." And they will ask thee as to what they should spend [in God's cause]. Say: "Whatever you can spare." In this way God makes clear unto you His messages, so that you might reflect * (Quran 2:219)

The religion from my mother side requires drinking alcohol at religious events and even to worship GOD. So let's say, religion isn't the best measure to argue here.

Even if i exclude this religion as "fake" one, still i will be skeptical when a religion puts eating pork and drinking alcohol in the same category.
 
The religion from my mother side requires drinking alcohol at religious events and even to worship GOD.

Okay. Which religion is that, just out of curiosity?

So let's say, religion isn't the best measure to argue here.
Thats why i said "personally speaking"

Even if i exclude this religion as "fake" one, still i will be skeptical when a religion puts eating pork and drinking alcohol in the same category.

Why?
 
You are right. But personally speaking, my belief makes it clear for me so that i dont feel the need to try it. Infact the Quran agrees with you that there might be some benefit but the harm outweighs the benefits.

* THEY WILL ASK thee about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: "In both there is great evil as well as some benefit for man; but the evil which they cause is greater than the benefit which they bring." And they will ask thee as to what they should spend [in God's cause]. Say: "Whatever you can spare." In this way God makes clear unto you His messages, so that you might reflect * (Quran 2:219)

Fair enough.

Though no harm ever came to me through use of alcohol (except hangovers). I guess my head is wired to stop drinking before I lost control. I see so many youngsters who seem on a mission to drink until they fall over.
 
Okay. Which religion is that, just out of curiosity?


Thats why i said "personally speaking"



Why?

1. Its a branch of hinduism who has forbidden idol worship and doesn't believes in multiple gods. Has similarity with that of abrahamic religion in many aspects.

2. If that was your personal opinion, fair enough.

3. It will be irrelevant to the thread so I'll post in questions regarding Islam thread.
 
Thanks. Wasn’t easy!

If you don't mind me asking, I would like to ask why, and more importantly, how? I have a really bad sweet tooth, and am trying to give up chocolate.
 
If you don't mind me asking, I would like to ask why, and more importantly, how? I have a really bad sweet tooth, and am trying to give up chocolate.

For health and money reasons.

I just realised that it wasn’t helping anything to drink alcohol, and I abruptly stopped doing it one day.

I kept relapsing after a few days or weeks, usually at weekends - but then eventually I managed to do 100 days sober, and I have not looked back since!
 
Fair enough.

Though no harm ever came to me through use of alcohol (except hangovers). I guess my head is wired to stop drinking before I lost control. I see so many youngsters who seem on a mission to drink until they fall over.

I think its with age, I started drinking only at 25, due to which my mind knew its limit and have never ever puked or had hangover(had jus once), same with most of my friends, but i observe the early you start drinking or smoking weed the easily you see them lose control.
 
For health and money reasons.

I just realised that it wasn’t helping anything to drink alcohol, and I abruptly stopped doing it one day.

I kept relapsing after a few days or weeks, usually at weekends - but then eventually I managed to do 100 days sober, and I have not looked back since!

Monetary is a big thing esp if in bar, its cheaper to drink at home in your comfort zone if family is ok with it.
 
Alcohol is the mother of evils. Nothing good comes out of it. Kindly quit it friends.
From fitness point of view it gives you empty calories. No nutrition at all. Its just a bad habit.

Its the same with Cola,Smokes etc.. that cannot be a reason. And in limit its good.
 
Alcohol if drink responsibly is the best thing ever!
I'm glad to be finally the part of 'moderate crowd' and love every bit of it whenever get a chance to have it with friends once in a while.
It's a great social drink and I'm glad my culture doesn't forbid me from it.
Those drinking 1.5-2 L soft drinks on a regular basis(as people admitted in the other thread) are at a far greater risk than someone who drinks wine/whiskey/beer in moderation once a week or fortnight.

I wonder why smoking isn't Haram when it poses far greater health challenges than all the other aforementioned intoxicants combined and is really hard to get rid of.
I had no problems cutting my alcohol levels but can't seem to do the same with cigarettes. Why didn't anyone religion forbid it when it's much likely to kill you?
 
Monetary is a big thing esp if in bar, its cheaper to drink at home in your comfort zone if family is ok with it.

2 cans of Budweiser hardly cost 250.
Not that expensive when you compare it with other food/drink items these days.
 
Had a couple of glasses of port last night with some cheese and crackers. Delicious.
 
Alcohol if drink responsibly is the best thing ever!
I'm glad to be finally the part of 'moderate crowd' and love every bit of it whenever get a chance to have it with friends once in a while.
It's a great social drink and I'm glad my culture doesn't forbid me from it.
Those drinking 1.5-2 L soft drinks on a regular basis(as people admitted in the other thread) are at a far greater risk than someone who drinks wine/whiskey/beer in moderation once a week or fortnight.

I wonder why smoking isn't Haram when it poses far greater health challenges than all the other aforementioned intoxicants combined and is really hard to get rid of.
I had no problems cutting my alcohol levels but can't seem to do the same with cigarettes. Why didn't anyone religion forbid it when it's much likely to kill you?

Actually alcohol has its benefits but it was forbidden in Islam because of its inebriant effects which make people forget Allah.

Otherwise, people mistakenly believe that alcohol was bad and hence it was forbidden.
 
Actually alcohol has its benefits but it was forbidden in Islam because of its inebriant effects which make people forget Allah.

Otherwise, people mistakenly believe that alcohol was bad and hence it was forbidden.

The legend is that alcohol was initially permitted after the advent of Islam, but the companions of the Prophet PBUH would often turn up drunk for prayers and other important events, and so it was decided that maintaining your dignity at all times is more important than the temporary pleasure that you get.

Not every person can be a moderate drinker, and some will go over the top. Hence, to make matters simple, it was banned outright because asking people to drink in moderation was not going to work out.

There is no doubt that we Muslims are missing out on a wonderful worldly pleasure, but you don’t realize that when you haven’t had the pleasure of enjoying it. Life goes in without it and we don’t have any cravings.
 
Actually alcohol has its benefits but it was forbidden in Islam because of its inebriant effects which make people forget Allah.

Otherwise, people mistakenly believe that alcohol was bad and hence it was forbidden.

I have no issues people lambasting alcohol since let's face it does have harmful effects on the body if used irresponsibly coupled with social consequences of regular drinking.

But calling it mother of all evils just because you were taught so since childhood and never bothered to do an independent research is what irks me off.
You don't want to drink it fine. But don't go around virtue signalling to others when there are far worse issues for humanity to deal with.
 
We all know alcohol isn't healthy, but then again, if you want to drink it occasionally, go for it! As long as you don't let it affect your life. It can be seen as a fun thing for many people, yes it's not that great for you but people are allowed to live a little. Some people would rather live shorter but have more fun than live long but have a boring life.
 
The legend is that alcohol was initially permitted after the advent of Islam, but the companions of the Prophet PBUH would often turn up drunk for prayers and other important events, and so it was decided that maintaining your dignity at all times is more important than the temporary pleasure that you get.

Not every person can be a moderate drinker, and some will go over the top. Hence, to make matters simple, it was banned outright because asking people to drink in moderation was not going to work out.

There is no doubt that we Muslims are missing out on a wonderful worldly pleasure, but you don’t realize that when you haven’t had the pleasure of enjoying it. Life goes in without it and we don’t have any cravings.

You could say the same about cocaine, ecstasy, dope and so on. Most drugs tend to have a high followed by a proportionate low, so if you drink heavily, you'll feel great for a few hrs, then wake up feeling awful most of the next day. Moderate drinking is recommended, but most drinkers probably think effectively dulling yourself without much of a high is probably not worth the bother. Go big or go home.
 
If you have 1 drink a day, for 7 days a week I'm surprised the alcohol related harm is only going up by 0.5%. You are not meant to drink everyday lol. And are we talking about 40% shots or 4% beer ?
 
Thread gets bumped on a Friday night, damn...
 
Could find a hundred such articles lambasting beef and chicken meat, or the oily foods us Pakistanis enjoy, or the greater harms that a sip of coke possesses or merely, even living in our polluted third-world cities.
 
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