Dawah, Islamic Law, Punishments & Limits in Islam

[BouncerGuy]

I repeat. In empirical terms. Not theoretical.

To get you started here are some hints: healthy/fitter society, more scientists/doctors, cleaner environment, increased hygiene etc.

You need to quantify incremental benefit as before vs after metric.

How zakat is theoretical???

 

[Farhan The Man]

Once more.

What is the incremental benefit in quantifiable terms?

Let me help you again. Due to the creation of this islamic establishment, is there lesser poverty now? Less theft? Less crime? Safer populace?

Surely there must be some empirical benefit to pak society due to islam.

 

[Farhan The Man]

Or you dumb or acting like one, which Prophet are you talking about in case of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) he participated himself in 27 wars (Gazwas) and suffered serious wounds in battle of Uhad and faced severe attack in Battle of Hunain also

And on going to bed full, only a bigot with no knowledge of Islam could say this...he used to remain hungry for days in a week and that too regularly.

Check the following one Hadith among many
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Ibn Abbas reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, would spend several nights in a row with an empty stomach, and his family would not find anything for dinner. Most of their bread was made from barley.

Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2360

Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

عَنْ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ قَالَ كَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَبِيتُ اللَّيَالِي الْمُتَتَابِعَةَ طَاوِيًا وَأَهْلُهُ لَا يَجِدُونَ عَشَاءً وَكَانَ أَكْثَرُ خُبْزِهِمْ خُبْزَ الشَّعِيرِ

2360 سنن الترمذي كتاب الزهد باب ما جاء في معيشة النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وأهله

125 المحدث الألباني خلاصة حكم المحدث صحيح في مختصر الشمائل

Why did you remove the bit of him tweaking decrees to consummate many times?

You reckoned that as an unjustifiable act and censored it.

Therein lies your demagogue. And the fallacy of your beliefs.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Why did you remove the bit of him tweaking decrees to consummate many times?

You reckoned that as an unjustifiable act and censored it.

Therein lies your demagogue. And the fallacy of your beliefs.

I can't allow your propaganda and the subsequent hiding. Distortions of fact. First answer questions in Dawah thread post #555

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Like always you just showed how little you know about Islam and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)

Brief response
Zaynab bint Jahsh (RA) was the cousin but NOT daughter in law of Prophet.
You have no context, Prophet never threatened to divorce his pious wives, instead ALLAH (SWT) asked them to either chose the worldly comforts or blessings of an eternal life with Prophet (PBUH)
When Hazrat Aisha (RA) wed Prophet (PBUH), no one even objected to it even PAGANs of that time except some modern ones doing now and of lately

Detailed response

Don't worry I won't let you have any excuse.

And this great scholar is from India so you won't have Tariq Jameel red herring

This post

 

[Farhan The Man]

I can't allow your propaganda and the subsequent hiding. Distortions of fact. First answer questions in Dawah thread post #555

It’s an internet forum for god’s sakes. No one is hiding from you

Back to the unresolved premise: how is modi’s proclamation - as outrageous as it might seem - any different from any other prophet’s call of being the special one?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

You are in over your head in this. Calm down.

It’s an internet forum for god’s sakes. No one is hiding from you

Back to the unresolved premise: how is modi’s proclamation - as outrageous as it might seem - any different from any other prophet’s call of being the special one?

So Modi is your Prophet...I see

Make sense now why you get so upset defending him...

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Anyway did you see the YouTube video by an Indian Muslim scholars on WHY Prophet Muhammad PBUH married women known as Mothers of the Believers and what was the rationale behind it?

Plz have a look first before appearing prematurely to debate on said topic. @Farhan The Man.

Also the said video also mentions many restrictions which ONLY applied on Prophet Muhammad PBUH instead of all believers. Plz check
that too.

Videos on Post 555

 

[The Bald Eagle]

How zakat is theoretical???

A testimony of his lack of knowledge brother

 

[The Bald Eagle]

OK. Let's give this a go.

Name me one -- and I repeat one -- benefit islam brought about to pak society since rebrand from secular pakistan to IRP in 1971?

With empirical evidence please. No theology.

Sure

First for you information Pakistan ≠ Islam. So if Pakistan government is not implementing Islamic laws in its constitution in spirit then it's the flaw of government and state apparatus not Islam.

But still coming back to your "empirical evidence" as the term suggest you find some stats related to economy so check below not 1 but more "empirical evidences" in a nominal Islam following Pakistan:

Govt raises Rs3.4tr via sukuk, PIBs

Cumulative borrowing via PSX to reach Rs3.7tr by end of this year.

www.dawn.com

Rs1.15bn zakat fund goes to flood-hit areas

SWABI, Sept 5: Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Minister for Zakat and Ushr Zar Shaid Khan has said that the ministry has ...

www.dawn.com

Are Islamic Banks taking their customers for a ride?

Senate Committee grills SBP on Islamic banking practices amid soaring profits and record interest rates

profit.pakistantoday.com.pk

Have a nice day

 

[topspin]

So Modi is your Prophet...I see

Make sense now why you get so upset defending him...

I think this confirms what I suspected from the very beginning about this guy, an Indian non-Muslim who's used the name Farhan here but having read his posts, the guy doesn't know anything about Islam, so I don't think he's an ex-Muslim by any stretch.

He reminds me of a similar account, PakLFC, who was also an Indian, pretending to be a Pakistani.

 

[Farhan The Man]

So pakistan did not implement islam since 1971. Neither bhutto, nor zia, nor benazir, nor nawaz, nor immy.

So why did it go the extra mile to rebrand itself - in name only per your assertion- as islamic republic of pakistan?

Sure

First for you information Pakistan ≠ Islam. So if Pakistan government is not implementing Islamic laws in its constitution in spirit then it's the flaw of government and state apparatus not Islam.

But still coming back to your "empirical evidence" as the term suggest you find some stats related to economy so check below not 1 but more "empirical evidences" in a nominal Islam following Pakistan:

Govt raises Rs3.4tr via sukuk, PIBs

Cumulative borrowing via PSX to reach Rs3.7tr by end of this year.

www.dawn.com

Rs1.15bn zakat fund goes to flood-hit areas

SWABI, Sept 5: Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Minister for Zakat and Ushr Zar Shaid Khan has said that the ministry has ...

www.dawn.com

Are Islamic Banks taking their customers for a ride?

Senate Committee grills SBP on Islamic banking practices amid soaring profits and record interest rates

profit.pakistantoday.com.pk

Have a nice day

 

[The Bald Eagle]

So pakistan did not implement islam since 1971. Neither bhutto, nor zia, nor benazir, nor nawaz, nor immy.

So why did it go the extra mile to rebrand itself - in name only per your assertion- as islamic republic of pakistan?

Yeah that a pity that the governments in Pakistan never showed sincerity in implementing Islamic rules in it's true spirit. And naming it a Islamic republic was the least that they could do especially knowing that Pakistan was founded on the premise to implement Islamic principles

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I think this confirms what I suspected from the very beginning about this guy, an Indian non-Muslim who's used the name Farhan here but having read his posts, the guy doesn't know anything about Islam, so I don't think he's an ex-Muslim by any stretch.

He reminds me of a similar account, PakLFC, who was also an Indian, pretending to be a Pakistani.

We know everybody's true identity even of "Namoona" poster too but sometimes we don't disclose it before time

 

[Farhan The Man]

Yeah that a pity that the governments in Pakistan never showed sincerity in implementing Islamic rules in it's true spirit. And naming it a Islamic republic was the least that they could do especially knowing that Pakistan was founded on the premise to implement Islamic principles

Yea pity indeed.

If rebranding itself as islamic destroyed a nation as a failed economy that cannot secure its own people, shudder to think how much worse it could be by implementing islam.

In any case, thanks for confirming pakistan as a pretend country. Your words not mine.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Yea pity indeed.

If rebranding itself as islamic destroyed a nation as a failed economy that cannot secure its own people, shudder to think how much worse it could be by implementing islam.

In any case, thanks for confirming pakistan as a pretend country. Your words not mine.

Atleast we try and rather than claiming ourselves as "Secularists" with bigots and extremists at helm of affairs.

And if Islamic principles had been Pakistan's guiding source, then Pakistan would have been far ahead then regional oligarch dominated economies.

 

[Farhan The Man]

Atleast we try and rather than claiming ourselves as "Secularists" with bigots and extremists at helm of affairs.

And if Islamic principles had been Pakistan's guiding source, then Pakistan would have been far ahead then regional oligarch dominated economies.

Well you got terrorists and zealots as your spearheads.

Nevertheless, we are not munafiqs. We don’t pretend-play. Like your mazhab ke thekedar kind.

Again your words, not mine.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Well you got terrorists and zealots as your spearheads.

Nevertheless, we are not munafiqs. We don’t pretend-play. Like your mazhab ke thekedar kind.

Again your words, not mine.

You mean those terrorists who couldn't travel to EU and US before...yep shame he is still PM of some country infact he claims himself a prophet according to you. Your words, not mine

 

[Farhan The Man]

You mean those terrorists who couldn't travel to EU and US before...yep shame he is still PM of some country infact he claims himself a prophet according to you. Your words, not mine

I never said prophet. He said godsend.

Calm down.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I never said prophet. He said godsend.

Calm down.

prophet did occupy political head of table, and indeed set rules matching his benefit.

He neither went to bed hungry nor he participated in any wars himself.

In worldly terms, his rise was phenomenal from an shepherd to the one in charge of a doctrine. Similar from chaiwala to pm modi.

I ask again, what is the difference for either purported "godsend"?

Yes you never called him similar to Prophet

 

[Farhan The Man]

Yes you never called him similar to Prophet

i don’t believe claiming to be a godsend is legit. Either then or now.

Why do you believe one; and not the other?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

i don’t believe claiming to be a godsend is legit. Either then or now.

Why do you believe one; and not the other?

Futile to debate this with an atheist

 

[Farhan The Man]

Futile to debate this with an atheist

Name calling is 3rd grade.

Remember you volunteered to answer questions.

You can’t fold this quickly.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Name calling is 3rd grade.

Remember you volunteered to answer questions.

You can’t fold this quickly.

Aren't you an atheist who is a in actual a Hindutva fan boy who can't disclose it?

Ok If you are not one... although I know exactly what you are . Then plz enlighten us all about your religious standing so could answer you as per your religious beliefs or dogmas

 

[Farhan The Man]

Aren't you an atheist who is a in actual a Hindutva fan boy who can't disclose it?

Ok If you are not one... although I know exactly what you are . Then plz enlighten us all about your religious standing so could answer you as per your religious beliefs or dogmas

You are throwing monkey wrenches, hoping some stick.

You fear my identity because it destroys your illusion. I am almost like you. Clocked 11 years in madrassah education witnessing firsthand the hypocrisy.

Your foundation is flaky. Like loose sand.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

You are throwing monkey wrenches, hoping some stick.

You fear my identity because it destroys your illusion. I am almost like you. Clocked 11 years in madrassah education witnessing firsthand the hypocrisy.

Your foundation is flaky. Like loose sand.

Make someone else fool...I am student of deedat...like him know how to hook swaggarts and you are too naive to understand it.

 

[topspin]

We know everybody's true identity even of "Namoona" poster too but sometimes we don't disclose it before time

Yes I was wondering where Namoona was all this time but I guess it was only a matter of time before identity would be exposed.

Hope you don't mind me asking is this Farhan guy an alt account?