What's new

Questions from Muslims about Islam & Life Thread

why would God even start religion/s ? why would God punish non believers ?..its all bollocks.
jesus mohammed siddhartha krishna and numerous such people were buddha.
a society is not going to get excited if a certain individual is enlightened and its not going to gain much traction either.
after passing away of these evolved persons shrewds created religions.
A man goes into a cave or sits under a tree, gets enlightened. Some claim they have felt God and some tell they are messengers of God.
Basically you have to believe them at their face value. Desperate and needy people believe them right away. Smart people question. Some times they get killed because these God men cannot handle any sort of criticism. :mv
 
A man goes into a cave or sits under a tree, gets enlightened. Some claim they have felt God and some tell they are messengers of God.
Basically you have to believe them at their face value. Desperate and needy people believe them right away. Smart people question. Some times they get killed because these God men cannot handle any sort of criticism. :mv

there are occasions where a person feel the source. some can further raise the frequency. such people will never claim i am the last one to achieve this. Never. Never.
 
why would God even start religion/s ? why would God punish non believers ?..its all bollocks.
jesus mohammed siddhartha krishna and numerous such people were buddha.
a society is not going to get excited if a certain individual is enlightened and its not going to gain much traction either.
after passing away of these evolved persons shrewds created religions.


A man goes into a cave or sits under a tree, gets enlightened. Some claim they have felt God and some tell they are messengers of God.
Basically you have to believe them at their face value. Desperate and needy people believe them right away. Smart people question. Some times they get killed because these God men cannot handle any sort of criticism. :mv

there are occasions where a person feel the source. some can further raise the frequency. such people will never claim i am the last one to achieve this. Never. Never.

All good stories for you to satisfy yourself about Islam because your own beliefs are superfluous stories don't stand up to anything substantial but not true.

A Muslim is encouraged to question and critique.

Anytime you want to own up and:
  1. Categorically state, acknowledge and Standup to your belief (Atheism/Agnosticism etc), open it to scrutiny and criticism
  2. Apply the same standards and questions to Islam

Lets go.

Until then, keep waffling...

My Claim:

Universe has a Creator

Put me to scrutiny and then state your claim and open it up to scrutiny, same standards...
 
All good stories for you to satisfy yourself about Islam because your own beliefs are superfluous stories don't stand up to anything substantial but not true.

A Muslim is encouraged to question and critique.

Anytime you want to own up and:
  1. Categorically state, acknowledge and Standup to your belief (Atheism/Agnosticism etc), open it to scrutiny and criticism
  2. Apply the same standards and questions to Islam

Lets go.

Until then, keep waffling...

My Claim:

Universe has a Creator

Put me to scrutiny and then state your claim and open it up to scrutiny, same standards...
Whether universe has a creator or not, it is immaterial. The stories told by these God men are a joke to say the least. You have to put your brain to the side to believe them.

Sure there are a few good things regarding life and how to lead it in a society are preached by this God men. If God was real, he could have installed his manual directly in his creation when they were born. But no, they have to rely on 1 individual to spread the message and putting millions of people under stress during the spread. This is your perfect God. A God who cannot even create humans without genetic defects and diseases. But but……:mv
 
C
Warning: Having a non-Arabic name granmmatically doesn't proof that ethnicity is also non-Arabic but it is a good tool in the box to start investigation.


(Native) Arabic vs Non-Arabic Names (Nouns):

Grammatically, it is fairly easy to tell a Name which has a "Non-Arabic" origin, lets start with an example.

Lets say @finalfantasy7 and @Champ_Pal get into a fight and @finalfantasy7 HIT @Champ_Pal, in English and in most languages in order to described this event the sequence is most important and we will write like this (in active voice).

@finalfantasy7 HIT @Champ_Pal

In the sentence above, it is fairly obvious as to who hit who and if the sequence is changed and sentence is turned into @Champ_Pal HIT @finalfantasy7 then the meaning changes.

Arabic is extremely flexible and modular and doesn't require sequencing rather it relies on the ending (vowel on the last letter).

Arabic Nouns are always TRIP-TOTES

I am going to give you examples of male names because it is easier to grasp this technique using male names.

To students who are familiar with English language, we use this term called "TRIP-TOTE", it means that a proper Arabic Noun will change shapes 3 times, observe:​
  1. NOMINATIVE (SUBJECT or the DOER): This is the default form and it is identified by the last letter having two Paish (or two Damma) on the last letter so the name "Muhammad" is written as "Muhammadun" or like this in Arabic مُحَمَّدٌ an original Arabic Noun (or name) must be in this setting by default and if it missing this ending it isn't natively Arabic!​
  2. ACCUSATIVE (OBJECT): It is identified by the last letter having two Zabar (or two Fatha) on the last letter so the name "Muhammad" is written as "Muhammadan" or like this in Arabic , مُحَمَّدًا ignore the last "Alif" in this example and concentrate on the original last letter of "Daal"​
  3. GENITIVE (POSSESSION): It is identified by the last letter having two Zaer (or two Kasrah) on the last letter so the name "Muhammad" is written as "Muhammadin" or like this in Arabic مُحَمَّدٍ
The default state vowel is always Paish (or Damma). The vowels on the last letter are changing 3 times. and also notice the vowel is DOUBLE so it will always look like this in default state on the last letter, in my example the last letter is Daal = دٌ


Demonstration:

لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا اللهُ مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ اللهِ
There is no deity/god worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad ﷺ is the Messenger of Allah
Notice the ending on the word Muhammad ﷺ in its default form and notice that it is pronounced differently.
أَشْهَدُ أَنْ لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا اللهُ وَأَشْهَدُ أَنَّ مُحَمَّدًا رَسُولُ اللهِ

I bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad ﷺ is the Messenger of Allah

Notice the ending on the word Muhammad ﷺ in its default form and notice that it is pronounced differently.
اللَّهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَلَى آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ
O Allah, send blessings upon Muhammad and upon the family of Muhammad ﷺ
Notice the ending on the word Muhammad ﷺ in its third form and notice that it is pronounced differently.
Non-Arabic Nouns are DIP-TOTES
Meaning the vowels on the last letter only change 2 times! So how do you casually identify a non-Arabic Noun? It NEVER takes 2 vowels and always has a SINGLE vowel.

Lets casually read the Qur'aan and see what your eyes notice.


وَاِذْ یَرْفَعُ اِبْرٰهٖمُ الْقَوَاعِدَ مِنَ الْبَیْتِ وَاِسْمٰعِیْلُ ؕ— رَبَّنَا تَقَبَّلْ مِنَّا ؕ— اِنَّكَ اَنْتَ السَّمِیْعُ الْعَلِیْمُ
  1. The vowel on the last letter is Paish (or Damma) so we know it is in its default state​
  2. But the vowel on the last letter of Ibraheem (AS) is a single vowel so we know that it is against the rule as it should be DOUBLE and not SINGLE vowel.​
  3. Therefore, we conclude that Ibraheem (AS) is not an Arabic origin name! When reading the Qur'aan whenever you see a name with this pattern it is a "non-Arabic" name grammatically
Extra Material (Not Important to the Concept but advance Grammar):

So how does a diptote work because we know that the noun has to change into 3 forms?
  1. NOMINATIVE (SUBJECT or the DOER): The last letter has a single Paish (or Dammah) e.g. اِبْرٰهٖمُ
  2. ACCUSATIVE (OBJECT): The last letter has a single Zabar (or Fatha) e.g. اِبْرٰهٖمَ
  3. GENITIVE (POSSESSION): The above form is simply repeated and the last letter has a single Zabar (or Fatha) e.g. اِبْرٰهٖمَ
Let's compare Pakistan and India?
بَاكستانُ

هندٌ

What can you tell just by eyeballing the two words? Which noun is native to Arabic and which one is "Non-Arabic" import into the Arabic language?

Verbal Sentences in Qur'aan
If you understand this concept, it is dead easy to construct and understand simple Arabic verbal sentences
  1. VERB: The Action word in my example (below) I will use the verb MURDERED قَتَلَ
  2. SUBJECT: The last letter will always have a Paish (Damma)​
  3. OBJECT: The last letter will always have a Zabar (Fatha)​
Lets look at the Quraan:


قَتَلَ دَاوٗدُ جَالُوْتَ
David (AS) MURDERED Goliath [2:250]
  1. Due to the vowel on the last letter, it is impossible to misunderstand the Qur'aan
  2. We also know by a SINGLE vowel that both characters David (AS) and Goliath are non-Arabic characters (grammatically)
Lets imagine that the real name of @sweep_shot is Khalid and real name of @KingKhanWC is Muhammad and one of them HIT ضَرَبَ the other, it will simply be

ضَرَبَ خَالِدٌ مُحَمَّدًا
  1. Due to the vowel on the last letter, it is impossible to misunderstand the sentence
  2. We also know by DOUBLE vowel that both characters Khalid (aka @sweep_shot ) and Muhammad (@KingKhanWC) have names which are original Arabic nouns

Vowels Added to the Quraan

Qur'aan was revealed to Prophet Muhammad ﷺ in Arabic and recited EXACTLY with the letter endings (with sounds), the companions of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ and early converts to Islam natively knew what these letter endings meant but as Islam grew and "Non-Arabs"converted to Islam it was important to preserve the reading and hence vowels were added for easier reading. Today, majority of ordinary Arabs don't know Arabic either and don't know how to read the Qur'aan without vowels either.

So everyone today reads:​


قَتَلَ دَاوٗدُ جَالُوْتَ
David (AS) MURDERED Goliath [2:250]

  1. Qur'aan is preseved auditorily (by sound) and that's why during prayers peopel correct each other when a single letter is OFF
  2. Quraan is also preseved in the book form for those who don't know

BUT

اَلْحَمْدُ لِلّٰهِ رَبِّ الْعٰلَمِیْنَ
What Hindutva and Christian Missionaries don't understand is that almost all Muslims know that it is without Grammar or rules:

  1. al-ḥamdu lillāhi and not
  2. al-ḥamdu lillāha or
  3. al-ḥamdu lillāhu

The rhythm of the Qur'aan will prevent you from reading 2 & 3 instinctly once you have read it a few times, try reading it wrong and you will see that your tongue won't settle.

It is because Qur'aan is an Auditory miracle. That's why many times Imams catch their own mistakes, they may not know the right word but they know that they have made a mistake because the rhythm of the Qur'aan breaks!
Could you also tell something regarding Qirah. I have heard there are 7 or 11 authentic qirahs in which Quran can be read?
 
All good stories for you to satisfy yourself about Islam because your own beliefs are superfluous stories don't stand up to anything substantial but not true.

A Muslim is encouraged to question and critique.

Anytime you want to own up and:
  1. Categorically state, acknowledge and Standup to your belief (Atheism/Agnosticism etc), open it to scrutiny and criticism
  2. Apply the same standards and questions to Islam

Lets go.

Until then, keep waffling...

My Claim:

Universe has a Creator

Put me to scrutiny and then state your claim and open it up to scrutiny, same standards...
Universe itself is the creator. it has never sent any prophet to start religion/s.
 
C

Could you also tell something regarding Qirah. I have heard there are 7 or 11 authentic qirahs in which Quran can be read?
Please remember what I said before to treat Qur'aan as an auditory experience as it is memorized, listened and recited.

Different Recitations of the Qur'aan:

Think of this as Accents when pronouncing certain words.

English Explanation:

In English we use this example all the time to say the same word with two different ways/accents
  1. potato → /pəˈteɪtoʊ/
  2. potahto → /pəˈtɑːtoʊ/
No matter which way you say it it still means

images


How many Modes allowed?


The tribes in Arabia used various linguistic variations at the time but out of those only 7 were chosen and rest were not. The demonstrations of recitation being permissible in these 7 variations is this narration.

The reason for extending the permissibility to 7 variations is because Prophet Muhammad ﷺ asked for ease in recitation.

So we can only use these 7 linguistic modes and in Arabic they are called Ahraaf.
I am loosely translating "Ahraaf" into modes.

10 Recitations of Qur'aan:
As I keep saying that originally, Qur'aan was recited and understood because it was native to the people upon whom it was revealed. As Islam grow outwards, it had to be structured, vocalized, vowelized and formalized.

The 7 Ahraaf (modes) were structured into 10 recitations with rules which can be taught, practiced and learned by later generations. Those who formalized these and where they physically resided and their era can be read here. Today (2026), the most popular is this:

Transmission of Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim formulated by Imam Asim (d. 128 AH/ /774 CE) in Kufa mainly transmitted by his students Hafs (d 180 AH/ 805 CE) and Shu’ba (193 AH, 809 CE) and his chain is as follows:​
  1. Imam Asim (d. 128 AH/ /774 CE) heard and mastered his recitation from​
  2. Imam Aasim ibn Abi al-Najud (d. 745 CE / 127 AH) heard and mastered his recitation from​
  3. Imam Abu Abd al-Rahman Abd Allah ibn Habib al-Sulami (d. 74 AH/692-693 CE) heard and mastered his recitation from​
  4. Multiple companions who heard and mastered their recitation directly from​
  5. Prophet Muhammad ﷺ​
Thisis referred colloquially as "Hafs" and most familiar and common in India/Pakistan/Saudi Arabia etc, in fact the world.

Example of Recitations of Qur'aan:

Consider the following common verse of the Qur'aan in "Hafs" and then "Warsh" recitation style [1:4]
مٰلِكِ یَوْمِ الدِّیْنِ

Transliteration: Maaaliki Yawmid-Deen
Translation: Master of the Day of Judgment.

مَلِكِ یَوْمِ الدِّیْنِ
Transliteration: Maliki Yawmid-Deen
Translation: Master of the Day of Judgment.

The Meem in "Hafs" is pulled and emphased while it is not in "Warsh", the translation in classical commenatries in the same.

The objection of Hindutva and Christian Missionaries is based on applying Modern Arabic meanings and principles to text which is 1400+ years old and even if we do that, it becomes this and this has already been discussed in major classical commenatries:

مٰلِكِ یَوْمِ الدِّیْنِ

Transliteration: Maaaliki Yawmid-Deen
Translation: Master of the Day of Judgment.

مَلِكِ یَوْمِ الدِّیْنِ
Transliteration: Maliki Yawmid-Deen
Translation: King of the Day of Judgment.

Lets take another favourite example of Christian Missionaries which is as follows [2:184]:


اَیَّامًا مَّعْدُوْدٰتٍ ؕ— فَمَنْ كَانَ مِنْكُمْ مَّرِیْضًا اَوْ عَلٰی سَفَرٍ فَعِدَّةٌ مِّنْ اَیَّامٍ اُخَرَ ؕ— وَعَلَی الَّذِیْنَ یُطِیْقُوْنَهٗ فِدْیَةٌ طَعَامُ مِسْكِیْنٍ ؕ— فَمَنْ تَطَوَّعَ خَیْرًا فَهُوَ خَیْرٌ لَّهٗ ؕ— وَاَنْ تَصُوْمُوْا خَیْرٌ لَّكُمْ اِنْ كُنْتُمْ تَعْلَمُوْنَ
Transliteration: Ayyaamam ma’doodaat; faman kaana minkum mareedan aw’alaa safarin fa’iddatum min ayyaamin ukhar; wa ‘alal lazeena yuteeqoonahoo fidyatun ta’aamu miskeenin faman tatawwa’a khairan fahuwa khairul lahoo wa an tasoomoo khairul lakum in kuntum ta’lamoon
Translation: ˹Fast a˺ prescribed number of days. But whoever of you is ill or on a journey, then ˹let them fast˺ an equal number of days ˹after Ramaḍân˺. For those who can only fast with extreme difficulty, compensation can be made by feeding a needy person ˹for every day not fasted˺. But whoever volunteers to give more, it is better for them. And to fast is better for you, if only you knew.
اَیَّامًا مَّعْدُوْدٰتٍ ؕ— فَمَنْ كَانَ مِنْكُمْ مَّرِیْضًا اَوْ عَلٰی سَفَرٍ فَعِدَّةٌ مِّنْ اَیَّامٍ اُخَرَ ؕ— وَعَلَی الَّذِیْنَ يُطَوَّقُونَهُ فِدْیَةٌ طَعَامُ مِسْكِیْنٍ ؕ— فَمَنْ تَطَوَّعَ خَیْرًا فَهُوَ خَیْرٌ لَّهٗ ؕ— وَاَنْ تَصُوْمُوْا خَیْرٌ لَّكُمْ اِنْ كُنْتُمْ تَعْلَمُوْنَ

Transliteration: Ayyaamam ma’doodaat; faman kaana minkum mareedan aw’alaa safarin fa’iddatum min ayyaamin ukhar; wa ‘alal lazeena yuta'waqonahu fidyatun ta’aamu miskeenin faman tatawwa’a khairan fahuwa khairul lahoo wa an tasoomoo khairul lakum in kuntum ta’lamoon
Translation: ˹Fast a˺ prescribed number of days. But whoever of you is ill or on a journey, then ˹let them fast˺ an equal number of days ˹after Ramaḍân˺. For those who can only fast with extreme difficulty, compensation can be made by feeding a needy person ˹for every day not fasted˺. But whoever volunteers to give more, it is better for them. And to fast is better for you, if only you knew.

The objection of Hindutva and Christian Missionaries is based on applying Modern Arabic meanings and principles to text which is 1400+ years old and even if we do that, it becomes this and this has already been discussed in major classical commenatries:
اَیَّامًا مَّعْدُوْدٰتٍ ؕ— فَمَنْ كَانَ مِنْكُمْ مَّرِیْضًا اَوْ عَلٰی سَفَرٍ فَعِدَّةٌ مِّنْ اَیَّامٍ اُخَرَ ؕ— وَعَلَی الَّذِیْنَ يُطَوَّقُونَهُ فِدْیَةٌ طَعَامُ مِسْكِیْنٍ ؕ— فَمَنْ تَطَوَّعَ خَیْرًا فَهُوَ خَیْرٌ لَّهٗ ؕ— وَاَنْ تَصُوْمُوْا خَیْرٌ لَّكُمْ اِنْ كُنْتُمْ تَعْلَمُوْنَ

Transliteration: Ayyaamam ma’doodaat; faman kaana minkum mareedan aw’alaa safarin fa’iddatum min ayyaamin ukhar; wa ‘alal lazeena yuta'waqonahu fidyatun ta’aamu miskeenin faman tatawwa’a khairan fahuwa khairul lahoo wa an tasoomoo khairul lakum in kuntum ta’lamoon
Translation: ˹Fast a˺ prescribed number of days. But whoever of you is ill or on a journey, then ˹let them fast˺ an equal number of days ˹after Ramaḍân˺. For those who can only fast when greately burdened by it, compensation can be made by feeding a needy person ˹for every day not fasted˺. But whoever volunteers to give more, it is better for them. And to fast is better for you, if only you knew.

And this video discusss and explains it in a discussuion format

 
Original Assyrians were polytheistic with influences of Indo-Iranian religions. Their Pantheon consisted of Ashur the main deity, Ishtar, Shamash(solar deity).

Assyrians never had good relations with Semitic people. They had antagonist relations with the Jews. When Christianity came, the hatred continued into it as you mentioned the Isiah (Old Testament).
Assyrian culture was destroyed by all Semitic religions. Not just Islam.
Did Islam Destroy Culture?

Dear @BunnyRabbit

This is the biggest nonsense propagated by Hindutva and they jump on every bandwagon regardless of background knowledge or information that "Islam destroyed Native culture and civilization" so there should be some sort of "Ghar Wapsi" of Muslims...

This claim needs to be evaluated and @Suleiman and @sweep_shot have tackled it elsewhere but here is it again.
  1. There is no difference in status between a converted Muslim and someone who has been Muslims for generations​
  2. EVEN if the ancestors of someone in India/Pakistan/Bangladesh converted from Hinduism, they do not wish to return to Hinduism​
Ghar Wapsi chapter is closed and @finalfantasy7 is writing a book on it :)

The same applies to Assyrians, Islam entered those lands and people converted and nobody wants to return back to worshiping idols!

When people convert to Islam, they change the habits which were part of their lives prior to Islam e.g.:
  1. Anyone who converts to Islam will quit practices which are associated with Polytheism (celebrations, feasts, clothing etc) because it contradicts Islam
  2. A woman who converts to Islam from any religion will follow Islamic clothing so her transition is this

hq720.jpg


As far as non-religious cultural practices, assimilation are concerned then not only Islam does not object to it but encourages assimilation for Dawah, they remain and proofs are as follows:

Below is the picture of Zahīr ud-Dīn Muhammad 14 February 1483 – 26 December 1530 and we have pretty good idea about his features and this painting is fairly close and he clearly looks Turkoman

Babur_Mirzo.jpg


A few hundred years later here is Bahadur Shah Zafar 24 October 1775 – 7 November 1862, notice the change in features.

images


This is one of his wives, Zeenat Mahal Begum

Zinat_Mahal_Begum.png


Here are his two sons i.e. Princes, left is Jawan Bakht, and on the right is Mirza Shah Abbas, take a good look at their appearance and features.

Sons_of_Bahadur_Shah_Zafar.jpg

Assyrians remained under Islamic rule and have survived to this day be them Christians or Polythiests. Those who converted away shun the culture and influence which was Polythistic but their diet, clothing, appearences remain as it was.

@KingKhanWC is visiting Lahore and since 1947 there have been no organized attempts of destorying Sikh history, places of worship by Muslims (either public or Government of Pakistan) unlike what Hindus did to Babri Masjid because Lahore was Muslim before the Sikhs ruled it! No Pakistani Muslim is digging Sikh places of worship and unearthing historic Mosques etc!
 
Whether universe has a creator or not, it is immaterial. The stories told by these God men are a joke to say the least. You have to put your brain to the side to believe them.

Sure there are a few good things regarding life and how to lead it in a society are preached by this God men. If God was real, he could have installed his manual directly in his creation when they were born. But no, they have to rely on 1 individual to spread the message and putting millions of people under stress during the spread. This is your perfect God. A God who cannot even create humans without genetic defects and diseases. But but……:mv
People say that if you preserve religious traditions you stay stuck in the past and cannot keep up with the continuous innovation. But, to me, this isn’t true. The talent and creativity for innovation comes from reflection, from analysis, and from this long tradition of studying the Qur'an and Sunnah (and adherence to religious law and objective morality). This legacy enables us to look forward and invent new things. This is a unique combination in my eyes.

If God instilled a manual directly in his creation when they're born then there would be no test and everyone would believe in God, there would be no reason to have human creation then and everyone would just be angels. But the almighty chose to give us free-will and let us see right from wrong without giving us a golden spoon, he chose to send messengers who were human to show us examples. The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ ) was a shepherd, businessman, politican, husband, Ustadh, and much more.

Furthermore, for "putting millions of people under stress during the spread" there will always be some stress in whatever you do in life and the Qur'an even addresses that only a people who have properly received a Messenger will be judged accordingly:
"Whoever chooses to be guided, it is only for their own good. And whoever chooses to stray, it is only to their own loss. No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another. And We would never punish ˹a people˺ until We have sent a messenger ˹to warn them˺." -Qur'an 17:15

Finally, as for your common atheistic trope of the 'problem of evil'. First of all just because evil things happen doesn't disprove the existence of the almighty creator, suffering allows for greater good, as a basic pretense to understand what is good you need to have bad things in existence as well. In fact the basic presupposition that 'evil' exists suggests that there is objective morality, and objective morality inherently supports the theism, and in Islam we believe this life is a test with ultimate justice beyond this world.
 
Sanjana Galrani a Sindhi actress whose ancestors got driven out of Sindh now marries a Muslim man and converts to Islam. The same followers of the religion that drove her ancestors out.

Anyways. I did not bring the gharwapsi into the discussion. You brought it. So I will clarify it for you. Whatever happened in Mesopotamia, Egypt, North Africa, Levant, Central Asia and many parts of Indian subcontinent is clear to be seen. The ones that converted no longer use local names, speak the local language and dress the same as locals. Basically everything is imported from either Arabs, Turks. Of course appearance will remain the same. No Indian Abdul will look Arab or Turkic. They look exactly like the Indians around them. Only difference is language, culture and names. This is called mental colonization.

Do you know what Pak patriots did for one Babri masjid? Several temples in Pakistan were destroyed in the aftermath of it. You conveniently forget that fact.1769450761015.png
Don’t forget slavery in Arab nations. 10 times worse than transatlantic slave trade. It was only banned in the 20th century. Some great culture it is. :mv

Your supposition that even if your ancestors converted…. Dude, who do you think your ancestors were?
:vk2
 
People say that if you preserve religious traditions you stay stuck in the past and cannot keep up with the continuous innovation. But, to me, this isn’t true. The talent and creativity for innovation comes from reflection, from analysis, and from this long tradition of studying the Qur'an and Sunnah (and adherence to religious law and objective morality). This legacy enables us to look forward and invent new things. This is a unique combination in my eyes.

If God instilled a manual directly in his creation when they're born then there would be no test and everyone would believe in God, there would be no reason to have human creation then and everyone would just be angels. But the almighty chose to give us free-will and let us see right from wrong without giving us a golden spoon, he chose to send messengers who were human to show us examples. The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ ) was a shepherd, businessman, politican, husband, Ustadh, and much more.

Furthermore, for "putting millions of people under stress during the spread" there will always be some stress in whatever you do in life and the Qur'an even addresses that only a people who have properly received a Messenger will be judged accordingly:
"Whoever chooses to be guided, it is only for their own good. And whoever chooses to stray, it is only to their own loss. No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another. And We would never punish ˹a people˺ until We have sent a messenger ˹to warn them˺." -Qur'an 17:15

Finally, as for your common atheistic trope of the 'problem of evil'. First of all just because evil things happen doesn't disprove the existence of the almighty creator, suffering allows for greater good, as a basic pretense to understand what is good you need to have bad things in existence as well. In fact the basic presupposition that 'evil' exists suggests that there is objective morality, and objective morality inherently supports the theism, and in Islam we believe this life is a test with ultimate justice beyond this world.
What a joke of a response. If God installs the manual in the brain, there is no test in life? If God is all nKnowing he already knows who is going to hell or heaven. So what is the point of Test?
You seem to make God look like a sadist.:mv

Considering children are born with defects, and you believe that God makes children, do you think God is perfect? Or is he just a made up friend? :mv
 
What a joke of a response. If God installs the manual in the brain, there is no test in life? If God is all nKnowing he already knows who is going to hell or heaven. So what is the point of Test?
You seem to make God look like a sadist.:mv

Considering children are born with defects, and you believe that God makes children, do you think God is perfect? Or is he just a made up friend? :mv
Just because the Almighty Creator knows whoever goes to hell or heaven doesn't mean that he's forcing them.

A teacher knowing a student will fail does not cause the failure. The test is not for God to learn something, he already knows, but rather its for justice to be served so that humans are judged based on choices they actually made, not hidden intentions.

Calling God a “sadist” assumes that all suffering is pointless which I already said is not the case and neither have you expanded on how I have supposedly represented that.

In Islam, suffering is not the final state, it is contextualized by accountability, recompense, and the afterlife. Without an afterlife, suffering truly is meaningless, which is a much darker conclusion. You’re assuming that physical perfection is the standard of moral perfection and that assumption is unjustified.

A world with vulnerability allows for mercy, patience, sacrifice, and moral growth, things that are impossible in a world of zero suffering.

Also, Islam does not claim this world is paradise. It explicitly denies that. Under atheism, genetic defects are the result of blind processes with no moral meaning.
 
Sanjana Galrani a Sindhi actress whose ancestors got driven out of Sindh now marries a Muslim man and converts to Islam. The same followers of the religion that drove her ancestors out.

Anyways. I did not bring the gharwapsi into the discussion. You brought it. So I will clarify it for you. Whatever happened in Mesopotamia, Egypt, North Africa, Levant, Central Asia and many parts of Indian subcontinent is clear to be seen. The ones that converted no longer use local names, speak the local language and dress the same as locals. Basically everything is imported from either Arabs, Turks. Of course appearance will remain the same. No Indian Abdul will look Arab or Turkic. They look exactly like the Indians around them. Only difference is language, culture and names. This is called mental colonization.

Do you know what Pak patriots did for one Babri masjid? Several temples in Pakistan were destroyed in the aftermath of it. You conveniently forget that fact.View attachment 161046
Don’t forget slavery in Arab nations. 10 times worse than transatlantic slave trade. It was only banned in the 20th century. Some great culture it is. :mv

Your supposition that even if your ancestors converted…. Dude, who do you think your ancestors were?
:vk2
It is her decision and her free will which she used to change her religion and its just sour grapes in your case and presenting arguments which make no sense!

You have a habit of not reading or thinking. Islam has no obligation to change names unless it contradicts with Islam e.g.

If someone's name was RAM before Islam why would they use that name after Islam? It contradicts with their religion and it is an aspect of culture which is contradictory to their faith.

If someone's name was RAJA before Islam then after Islam it is also RAJA

Plenty of JACK, SARA, EMILY etc exist today after conversion to Islam.
 
What a joke of a response. If God installs the manual in the brain, there is no test in life? If God is all nKnowing he already knows who is going to hell or heaven. So what is the point of Test?
You seem to make God look like a sadist.:mv

Considering children are born with defects, and you believe that God makes children, do you think God is perfect? Or is he just a made up friend? :mv
Because the test is for humans and not God! Its simple to understand by this crude example although doesn't fully apply to God but its good enough.

Raja Hindustani and his Physics Class
  1. Sir Raja Hindustani teaches a physics class.
  2. In 2024, class had 10 students and Sir Raja Hindustani taught them the same lessons, gave them the same homework, same tips, passed the same notes and always encouraged all of them the same way to do well:
    1. 2 Students never paid attention in class, hardly did their homework and failed most of the quizzes throughout the year
    2. 4 Students paid some attention in class, did most of their homework and scored average in most of the quizzes throughout the year
    3. 2 Students paid attention in class, did their homework, scored better in the quizzes throughout the year but not to their full potential
    4. 2 Students competed and excelled in everything
  3. Final Exam was multiple choice and prepared by another teacher.
  4. Sir Raja Hindustani walked around and looked at the students while they were taking the Exams:
    1. Sir Raja Hindustani saw many of them make mistakes but 1 of 2 bright and studious students picked the wrong answer for question 37 and 39. Sir Raja Hindustani saw her mark the wrong choices but his job was to remain objective
  5. The final result was EXACTLY as per the expectations of Sir Raja Hindustani
All students exercised their free will.

In Islam, my children are a test for me.

[64:15] Your wealth and children are only a test, but Allah ˹alone˺ has a great reward.

If one of my children are hurting, it is painful for me naturally but I remain patient and for my patience there is reward. If one of my children are happy, it is joyful naturally but I am Thankful and for my gratitude there is reward.

I need to be mindful of God in all conditions and that is my test.

Wondrous is the affair of a believer, as there is good for him in every matter; this is not the case for anyone but a believer.
  1. If he experiences pleasure, he thanks Allah and it is good for him.
  2. If he experiences harm, he shows patience and it is good for him.
 
I can find several videos of westerners converting to Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism etc. Everyone has a reason to convert. That does not make the religion true.
You do know people converted to Mormonism in hordes too in America. Does that mean Joseph Smith is a true Prophet. :mv
Many celebrities also converted to Scientology. Does it make Scientology true and Ron Hubbard a Prophet?? :mv

Coming to the video you posted, so a British women converted. Big deal. What are you trying to prove with that? :vk2
 
@Champ_Pal Argument about Local Names and Local Languages:

Whatever happened in Mesopotamia, Egypt, North Africa, Levant, Central Asia and many parts of Indian subcontinent is clear to be seen. The ones that converted no longer use local names, speak the local language and dress the same as locals.

Response Given:

You have a habit of not reading or thinking. Islam has no obligation to change names unless it contradicts with Islam e.g.

If someone's name was RAM before Islam why would they use that name after Islam? It contradicts with their religion and it is an aspect of culture which is contradictory to their faith.

If someone's name was RAJA before Islam then after Islam it is also RAJA

Plenty of JACK, SARA, EMILY etc exist today after conversion to Islam.

Evidence Provided:

British Convert "Crystal"


@Champ_Pal keeps on Waffling....



I can find several videos of westerners converting to Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism etc. Everyone has a reason to convert. That does not make the religion true.
You do know people converted to Mormonism in hordes too in America. Does that mean Joseph Smith is a true Prophet. :mv
Many celebrities also converted to Scientology. Does it make Scientology true and Ron Hubbard a Prophet?? :mv

Coming to the video you posted, so a British women converted. Big deal. What are you trying to prove with that? :vk2
 

You’re wasting your time. The moment a bro starts posting random YouTube videos to defend his inherited bigotry, that’s your cue to leave him alone in his deluxe echo chamber, with surround sound.

His audience is Hindutva.
 
You’re wasting your time. The moment a bro starts posting random YouTube videos to defend his inherited bigotry, that’s your cue to leave him alone in his deluxe echo chamber, with surround sound.

His audience is Hindutva.
Those are random youtube videos I posted? The speakers are all famous preachers.

Nice coping mechanism though. I will give you a 100 for that :mv
 
@Champ_Pal Argument about Local Names and Local Languages:



Response Given:



Evidence Provided:


British Convert "Crystal"


@Champ_Pal keeps on Waffling....

We have countless examples of nations and cultures losing their identities after converting to Islam. Most of Middle East and North Africa now speak Arabic with Arab names. Arab Colonialism at best. Pakistan lucked out in the sense that Arabs did not occupy it for too long. It was Turks that owned Pakistanis. They promoted Persian and you guys speak a language that is not native to your land. You took an Indian language, added a ton of Persian and Arabic words and called it a new language and even adopted a script that is not native to your land.

Again, waffling is what you do. Evidence is standing like an elephant in front of you and you are telling me that I am waffling. :vk2 :mv
 
Last edited by a moderator:
You’re wasting your time. The moment a bro starts posting random YouTube videos to defend his inherited bigotry, that’s your cue to leave him alone in his deluxe echo chamber, with surround sound.

His audience is Hindutva.
How Hindutva supporters behave is not separate from their beliefs. In the absence of a clear dogma, ideology, or principled framework, behavior itself becomes the clearest indicator of what their belief represents.

We will continue to be forthright, honest and truthful because that is what our belief represents.
Waffling my behind.

We have countless examples of nations and cultures losing their identities after converting to Islam. Most of Middle East and North Africa now speak Arabic with Arab names. Arab Colonialism at best. Pakistan lucked out in the sense that Arabs did not occupy it for too long. It was Turks that owned Pakistanis. They promoted Persian and you guys speak a language that is not native to your land. You took an Indian language, added a ton of Persian and Arabic words and called it a new language and even adopted a script that is not native to your land.

Again, waffling is what you do. Evidence is standing like an elephant in front of you and you are telling me that I am waffling. :vk2 :mv
Your incoherent babble continues...
  1. Many South Indian Muslims do not know or speak Hindi or Urdu but speak whatever others speak i.e. to this day they speak the same language as other Non-Muslim citizens do.
  2. Most Malaysian Muslims do not know or speak Hindi or Urdu but speak Malay, i.e. to this day they speak the same language as other Non-Muslim citizens do.
  3. Most Indonesian Muslims do not know or speak Hindi or Urdu but speak Malay Bahasa Indonesia, i.e. to this day they speak the same language as other Non-Muslim citizens do.
  4. Most Reverts do not speak Hindi or Urdu but speak their own native language, i.e. to this day they speak the same language as other Non-Muslim citizens do....Heck even born Muslims speak the same language
  5. Many Muslims speak the same language which their Non-Muslim ancestors spoke (Arabic, Persian etc)
  6. While many speak a different & adopted language (Arabic, Urdu etc) i.e. even Non-Muslims speak the "adopted language"
None of this makes any difference. But as usual your inherent babble makes no sense!


The poison and hate in your heart is so deep that you are rambling like a drunk lunatic, none of this has anything to do with Islam a person can speak whatever they want to speak.

Someone can marry a woman from a different culture entirely and offspring may speak a completely different language, so what?
 
How Hindutva supporters behave is not separate from their beliefs. In the absence of a clear dogma, ideology, or principled framework, behavior itself becomes the clearest indicator of what their belief represents.

We will continue to be forthright, honest and truthful because that is what our belief represents.

Your incoherent babble continues...
  1. Many South Indian Muslims do not know or speak Hindi or Urdu but speak whatever others speak i.e. to this day they speak the same language as other Non-Muslim citizens do.
  2. Most Malaysian Muslims do not know or speak Hindi or Urdu but speak Malay, i.e. to this day they speak the same language as other Non-Muslim citizens do.
  3. Most Indonesian Muslims do not know or speak Hindi or Urdu but speak Malay Bahasa Indonesia, i.e. to this day they speak the same language as other Non-Muslim citizens do.
  4. Most Reverts do not speak Hindi or Urdu but speak their own native language, i.e. to this day they speak the same language as other Non-Muslim citizens do....Heck even born Muslims speak the same language
  5. Many Muslims speak the same language which their Non-Muslim ancestors spoke (Arabic, Persian etc)
  6. While many speak a different & adopted language (Arabic, Urdu etc) i.e. even Non-Muslims speak the "adopted language"
None of this makes any difference. But as usual your inherent babble makes no sense!


The poison and hate in your heart is so deep that you are rambling like a drunk lunatic, none of this has anything to do with Islam a person can speak whatever they want to speak.

Someone can marry a woman from a different culture entirely and offspring may speak a completely different language, so what?
Only Malayalee Muslims do not speak Urdu. They did not get colonized by Turkic people. Arab traders did not conquer the land and Kerala already had a strong culture of Christianity. The Arab traders were happy to use Kerala as a stop by ;) before embarking to south east asia for further trade. They did the same to the people of Maldives too. They were Buddhists with strong ties to Sinhalese before Arab traders showed up and immediately had the itch to convert.

Telugu, Kannada and even most Tamil Muslims speak broken Urdu with Tamil/Telugu/Kannada loan words. They all have funny names like Jalani, Subhani, Rabbani, Mastani, Budhe, Bade Mastan, Basha etc and most women have names ending with "bee". Like QasimBee, SalehaBee, AnjumanBee, AishaBee etc.

You have no clue about the ground realities of India. But carry on with your nonsense. :mv
 
Only Malayalee Muslims do not speak Urdu. They did not get colonized by Turkic people. Arab traders did not conquer the land and Kerala already had a strong culture of Christianity. The Arab traders were happy to use Kerala as a stop by ;) before embarking to south east asia for further trade. They did the same to the people of Maldives too. They were Buddhists with strong ties to Sinhalese before Arab traders showed up and immediately had the itch to convert.

Telugu, Kannada and even most Tamil Muslims speak broken Urdu with Tamil/Telugu/Kannada loan words. They all have funny names like Jalani, Subhani, Rabbani, Mastani, Budhe, Bade Mastan, Basha etc and most women have names ending with "bee". Like QasimBee, SalehaBee, AnjumanBee, AishaBee etc.

You have no clue about the ground realities of India. But carry on with your nonsense. :mv
Official Indian 2011 Census:
  1. Urdu speakers in Kerala = 13,122 (0.039%)
  2. Malayalam Speakers in Kerala = 3,24,13,213 (97.02%)
  3. Total Population of Kerala = 3,34,06,061 (100%)
Reference
Cat Stevens (Wife: Fauzia Mubarak Ali)
Kids know a few words of Urdu and Arabic but speak in English

Bilal Abdul Kareem (Wife: Syrian Arab) resident in Syria
Kids don't speak a word of Urdu, a few words of English but speak in Arabic

images

The poison and hate in your heart is so deep that you are rambling like a drunk lunatic, none of this has anything to do with Islam a person can speak whatever they want to speak.
 
Official Indian 2011 Census:
  1. Urdu speakers in Kerala = 13,122 (0.039%)
  2. Malayalam Speakers in Kerala = 3,24,13,213 (97.02%)
  3. Total Population of Kerala = 3,34,06,061 (100%)
Reference
Cat Stevens (Wife: Fauzia Mubarak Ali)
Kids know a few words of Urdu and Arabic but speak in English

Bilal Abdul Kareem (Wife: Syrian Arab) resident in Syria
Kids don't speak a word of Urdu, a few words of English but speak in Arabic

images

The poison and hate in your heart is so deep that you are rambling like a drunk lunatic, none of this has anything to do with Islam a person can speak whatever they want to speak.
This champu disguises himself as a pseudointellectual atheist. He shows his real colors very quickly and loves attention. Not giving him any is his best treatment.
 
For every person who converts to Islam .. there are about 5 of them who leave the religion imo. They just don't reveal it publicly due to the social stigma.
I have said this to you, before.

Keep believing that if it helps you sustain your hatred about Islam and Muslims.
 
I have said this to you, before.

Keep believing that if it helps you sustain your hatred about Islam and Muslims.

I'm telling you what I've observed .. amongst people I know in Dubai, Singapore, India, UK, many other places.

The truth is not hatred.
 
I'm telling you what I've observed .. amongst people I know in Dubai, Singapore, India, UK, many other places.

The truth is not hatred.
I consult for dozens of organizations across the world, interact with them on a regular basis, visit, talks, attend meeting but let me set all that aside take my facts from a Sanghi with a poison filled Heart.

As I said, Keep believing it if it helps you sustain your hatred about Islam and Muslims.
 
I consult for dozens of organizations across the world, interact with them on a regular basis, visit, talks, attend meeting but let me set all that aside take my facts from a Sanghi with a poison filled Heart.

As I said, Keep believing it if it helps you sustain your hatred about Islam and Muslims.

Like I said .. a disbelieving muslim is not going to confide in you. They'll keep up the facade out of politeness and respect for your faith.
 
Like I said .. a disbelieving muslim is not going to confide in you. They'll keep up the facade out of politeness and respect for your faith.
But they confide in you!

Sure as I said...Keep believing it if it helps you sustain your hatred about Islam and Muslims.
 
They confide in non-believers of islam more easily .. yes. Doesn't that make more sense ? Non-believers would be less judgemental.

Those apostatizing from Islam in "huge numbers" seek out and confide in a Sanghi called @RexRex in all these locations...

I'm telling you what I've observed .. amongst people I know in Dubai, Singapore, India, UK, many other places.

The truth is not hatred.

Sure, got it!

Keep believing it if it helps you sustain your hatred about Islam and Muslims.
 
Those apostatizing from Islam in "huge numbers" seek out and confide in a Sanghi called @RexRex in all these locations...

It's not my fault they all want to confide in me. Maybe there's something about me ..I'm the empathetic and understanding type ?

Not a Sanghi btw, tis not my religion.
 
It's not my fault they all want to confide in me. Maybe there's something about me ..I'm the empathetic and understanding type ?

Not a Sanghi btw, tis not my religion.
May not be your religion but the poison in your heart and hatred in your soul against Islam and Muslims is the same nonetheless so whatever...

Keep believing it if it helps you sustain your hatred about Islam and Muslims.

I got nothing against you or anyone else, you are entitled to whatever you believe in, however you believe in it, I will continue to be honest, truthful and upright no matter what.​
 
Back
Top