Questions from Muslims about Islam & Life Thread

[Justcrazy]

Ibn Kathir (RA) was a great scholar and a historian and he compiled history in his books called Al-Bidayah wan-Nihayah (The beginning and the End) (upto his time).

All 7 volumes have been translated into English and available.

From his 7 volumes, the "Stories of the Prophets" have been extracted and published which is also available in English and the Prophets are chronologically listed and the order (of major Prophets) is more or less agreed upon so it is a good starting point.

Do you not feel that Ibn kathir took a lot of things from Tabari ?

 

[LordJames]

The statement I made was about Mufti taqi usmani , how can it be avoided.

I believe in karamats that have been mentioned in Quran and authentic hadeeth. Not in some random books. They may be true also , but there is not enough evidence.

I do not believe them because there are many absurd things written in books , which I am sure if I mention here , most of the posters will also agree with me. We need to rely on authentic sources for preaching people .

I am sorry to bother you again but I have another question , not related to this subject.
There are several rijal books like tabqat ibn saad , Tareekh e kabeer , al thiqat ( Ibn Hibban ) , etc , where we find about the narrators of hadeeth.

Do you know any website that gives us the opinion of all the muhaddith about the status of narrators ? I am not talking about biographies , just to the point what the muhaadith have said about them.

Brother,

I plolitely requested you to drop Deobandi, Mufti Taqi Usmani, Tableeghi Jamaat and XYZ for 5 seconds but let me try to discuss the matter before Mughul empire in India and Deoband (1866)

Imam Abu Haneefa (RA) is a Tab'ae

1. Born in 80 AH and last Sahabi of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) passed away around 110 AH
2. Imam Dhahabi (RA) confirms that he witnessed Anas Bin Malik (RA) . Click and read what Imam Dhahabi (RA) has said about him who existed hunderds of years before "Deobandees"
3. Imam Abu Haneefa (RA) narrates from or describes at least 16 companions of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him)

The chapter on this matter is concluded with the following words, "Whoever denies Imam Abu Hanifah (Allah be pleased with him) is a Tabi‘i after this is either a deficient ignoramus or a pathetic fanatic." And if have concerns with "Deobandi English" translation, the Arabic is contained in this 400 page book on Imam Abu Haneefa (RA)

Here is the Musnad (hadeeth collection) attributed to Imam Abu Haneefa (RA).

Here is an Arabic biography by a Saudi-Hanbali scholar with English subtitles confirming Imam bu Haneefa (RA) being a Tab'ae and Senior Imams of this Ummah.

Sings of Sins on Human body:

1. Dark spots on human heart, Hadeeth. I don't know any cardiologist who has told me that the heart of a sinner is a different color.
2. Sins leave a dark spot (internally and externally) which is visible to humans with Kashf and it is stated by Allamah Suyuti (RA) in كتاب قوت المغتذي على جامع الترمذي
3. Sins being washed and bing seen by Imam Abu Haneefa (RA) is quoted by Imam Sha'rani (RA) and Mufti Taqi Usmani in his commentary of Saheeh Muslim narrates it and provides the chain for it, see فتح الملهم بشرح صحيح مسلم This is the one of the autjoritative and comprehencive commntaries of Saheeh Muslim in our times.

Please read the research of Mufti Taqi Usmani and then critique Imam Sha'rani (RA) on the issue as the quote is on him and he was neither a "Deobandi" nor a "Hanafi".

Using weak Hadeeth in Fadail (virtues):
A weakness in chain of a narration doesn't mean that it is "fabricated".

It has been the accepted practise of Muslims that it is permissable to use weak (not fabricated) narrations in matters of virtues. This is the statament of Imam Ahmed Ibn Hanbal (RA) being quoted on the authority of Imam Ibn Taymiyyah (RA)
Please read in full:

(قول أحمد بن حنبل: إذا جاء الحلال والحرام شددنا في الأسانيد، وإذا جاء الترغيب والترهيب تساهلنا في الأسانيد، وكذلك ما عليه العلماء من العمل بالحديث الضعيف في فضائل الأعمال: ليس معناه إثبات الاستحباب بالحديث الذي لا يحتج به؛ فإن الاستحباب حكم شرعي؛ فلا يثبت إلا بدليل شرعي، ومن أخبر عن الله أنه يحب عملاً من الأعمال من غير دليل شرعي؛ فقد شرع من الدين ما لم يأذن به الله، كما لو أثبت الإيجاب أو التحريم، ولهذا يختلف العلماء في الاستحباب كما يختلفون في غيره، بل هو أصل الدين المشروع.

Example is Al-Adab Al-Mufrad of Imam Bukhari (RA) so:

1. Imam Bukhari (RA) wrote Saheeh Bukhari containing ONLY the most authentic narrations​
2. Imam Bukhari (RA) wrote Al-Adab Al-Mufrad containing authentic as well as some weak narrations​

All of the above have nothing to do with "Deobandees" and predate them by centuries.

As far as "Fazail" books of Maulana Zakariyya Kandhalwi (RA) are concerned then when it comes to Hadeeth then he mentions the weakness in Arabic directly under the Hadeeth, open the book (In Urdu or English) and read Arabic.

@Suleiman There are alternative books in Tableeghi Jamaat and they are the famous "Fazail" books OR Riyadus-Saliheen by the great Master of Hadeeth Imam Nawawi (RA), a person can choose to read whatever they want. I am not a Tableeghi and have nothing to do with them but we should separate ourselves from Hindutva and speak the truth and full facts when conveying a matter.

Using Fabricated Hadeeth in books:
Not permitted by anyone unless they are writing on the specific subject and mentioned it, like the works of Imam ibn al-Jawzi (RA) entitled "كتاب الموضوعات لابن الجوزي"

Scholars of the past were humans and many have in error including a narration (or few) in their books which are fabricated because as humans everyone makes mistakes and the response is not to speak ill of a scholar OR to bury the whole book but just recognise an error and point it out and count it as a mistake.

Maulana Zakariyya Kandhalwi (RA) are was a Scholar of Hadeeth who taught in Madina and wrote dozens of Masterpieces of Hadeeth including his commentary on Muwatta of Imam Malik (RA) so he was clearly an expert on Hadeeth and he does not include any fabrication on purpose in any of his books.

Narrators and search:

Many sites such as

الباحث الحديثي

بحث فوري للكشف عن صحة الحديث وحكم العلماء عليه

sunnah.one

حديث

تأكد وتحقق من صحة الحديث عبر أسرع موقع للبحث عن أي حديث والتحقق من صحته

hdith.com

But this is a matter of dispute because a narrator could be "weak" according to a scholar and "authentic" according to another.

Appreciate your time, my Brother

Do you not feel that Ibn kathir took a lot of things from Tabari ?

Probably did but not sure how much...

 

[Justcrazy]

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LordJames​

First of all thanks for the narrators link, I will see that.

I understand that scholars have said that weak hadeeth in virtues can be used. But what is the need of that , when authentic ones are available. You can understand that they are weak , but there are speakers who derive aqeedah from that. The common person does not understand that. For example there are those who kiss there thumbs when name of the prophet is mentioned , and they dislike the people who do not. This is the result of this mentality.

Also , imagine you are praising someone and you mention that it is weak hadeeth , then what impression does that give on the person whom we are speaking it. It completely dilutes the praise.

And most of the thinks mentioned in the books of fazail are not even hadeeth but stories and incidents . i do not know if you have read them or not , but I am sure that you will disagree with most of them.