Questions from Muslims about Islam & Life Thread

[Justcrazy]

Ibn Kathir (RA) was a great scholar and a historian and he compiled history in his books called Al-Bidayah wan-Nihayah (The beginning and the End) (upto his time).

All 7 volumes have been translated into English and available.

From his 7 volumes, the "Stories of the Prophets" have been extracted and published which is also available in English and the Prophets are chronologically listed and the order (of major Prophets) is more or less agreed upon so it is a good starting point.

Do you not feel that Ibn kathir took a lot of things from Tabari ?

 

[LordJames]

The statement I made was about Mufti taqi usmani , how can it be avoided.

I believe in karamats that have been mentioned in Quran and authentic hadeeth. Not in some random books. They may be true also , but there is not enough evidence.

I do not believe them because there are many absurd things written in books , which I am sure if I mention here , most of the posters will also agree with me. We need to rely on authentic sources for preaching people .

I am sorry to bother you again but I have another question , not related to this subject.
There are several rijal books like tabqat ibn saad , Tareekh e kabeer , al thiqat ( Ibn Hibban ) , etc , where we find about the narrators of hadeeth.

Do you know any website that gives us the opinion of all the muhaddith about the status of narrators ? I am not talking about biographies , just to the point what the muhaadith have said about them.

Brother,

I plolitely requested you to drop Deobandi, Mufti Taqi Usmani, Tableeghi Jamaat and XYZ for 5 seconds but let me try to discuss the matter before Mughul empire in India and Deoband (1866)

Imam Abu Haneefa (RA) is a Tab'ae

1. Born in 80 AH and last Sahabi of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) passed away around 110 AH
2. Imam Dhahabi (RA) confirms that he witnessed Anas Bin Malik (RA) . Click and read what Imam Dhahabi (RA) has said about him who existed hunderds of years before "Deobandees"
3. Imam Abu Haneefa (RA) narrates from or describes at least 16 companions of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him)

The chapter on this matter is concluded with the following words, "Whoever denies Imam Abu Hanifah (Allah be pleased with him) is a Tabi‘i after this is either a deficient ignoramus or a pathetic fanatic." And if have concerns with "Deobandi English" translation, the Arabic is contained in this 400 page book on Imam Abu Haneefa (RA)

Here is the Musnad (hadeeth collection) attributed to Imam Abu Haneefa (RA).

Here is an Arabic biography by a Saudi-Hanbali scholar with English subtitles confirming Imam bu Haneefa (RA) being a Tab'ae and Senior Imams of this Ummah.

Sings of Sins on Human body:

1. Dark spots on human heart, Hadeeth. I don't know any cardiologist who has told me that the heart of a sinner is a different color.
2. Sins leave a dark spot (internally and externally) which is visible to humans with Kashf and it is stated by Allamah Suyuti (RA) in كتاب قوت المغتذي على جامع الترمذي
3. Sins being washed and bing seen by Imam Abu Haneefa (RA) is quoted by Imam Sha'rani (RA) and Mufti Taqi Usmani in his commentary of Saheeh Muslim narrates it and provides the chain for it, see فتح الملهم بشرح صحيح مسلم This is the one of the autjoritative and comprehencive commntaries of Saheeh Muslim in our times.

Please read the research of Mufti Taqi Usmani and then critique Imam Sha'rani (RA) on the issue as the quote is on him and he was neither a "Deobandi" nor a "Hanafi".

Using weak Hadeeth in Fadail (virtues):
A weakness in chain of a narration doesn't mean that it is "fabricated".

It has been the accepted practise of Muslims that it is permissable to use weak (not fabricated) narrations in matters of virtues. This is the statament of Imam Ahmed Ibn Hanbal (RA) being quoted on the authority of Imam Ibn Taymiyyah (RA)
Please read in full:

(قول أحمد بن حنبل: إذا جاء الحلال والحرام شددنا في الأسانيد، وإذا جاء الترغيب والترهيب تساهلنا في الأسانيد، وكذلك ما عليه العلماء من العمل بالحديث الضعيف في فضائل الأعمال: ليس معناه إثبات الاستحباب بالحديث الذي لا يحتج به؛ فإن الاستحباب حكم شرعي؛ فلا يثبت إلا بدليل شرعي، ومن أخبر عن الله أنه يحب عملاً من الأعمال من غير دليل شرعي؛ فقد شرع من الدين ما لم يأذن به الله، كما لو أثبت الإيجاب أو التحريم، ولهذا يختلف العلماء في الاستحباب كما يختلفون في غيره، بل هو أصل الدين المشروع.

Example is Al-Adab Al-Mufrad of Imam Bukhari (RA) so:

1. Imam Bukhari (RA) wrote Saheeh Bukhari containing ONLY the most authentic narrations​
2. Imam Bukhari (RA) wrote Al-Adab Al-Mufrad containing authentic as well as some weak narrations​

All of the above have nothing to do with "Deobandees" and predate them by centuries.

As far as "Fazail" books of Maulana Zakariyya Kandhalwi (RA) are concerned then when it comes to Hadeeth then he mentions the weakness in Arabic directly under the Hadeeth, open the book (In Urdu or English) and read Arabic.

@Suleiman There are alternative books in Tableeghi Jamaat and they are the famous "Fazail" books OR Riyadus-Saliheen by the great Master of Hadeeth Imam Nawawi (RA), a person can choose to read whatever they want. I am not a Tableeghi and have nothing to do with them but we should separate ourselves from Hindutva and speak the truth and full facts when conveying a matter.

Using Fabricated Hadeeth in books:
Not permitted by anyone unless they are writing on the specific subject and mentioned it, like the works of Imam ibn al-Jawzi (RA) entitled "كتاب الموضوعات لابن الجوزي"

Scholars of the past were humans and many have in error including a narration (or few) in their books which are fabricated because as humans everyone makes mistakes and the response is not to speak ill of a scholar OR to bury the whole book but just recognise an error and point it out and count it as a mistake.

Maulana Zakariyya Kandhalwi (RA) are was a Scholar of Hadeeth who taught in Madina and wrote dozens of Masterpieces of Hadeeth including his commentary on Muwatta of Imam Malik (RA) so he was clearly an expert on Hadeeth and he does not include any fabrication on purpose in any of his books.

Narrators and search:

Many sites such as

الباحث الحديثي

بحث فوري للكشف عن صحة الحديث وحكم العلماء عليه

sunnah.one

حديث

تأكد وتحقق من صحة الحديث عبر أسرع موقع للبحث عن أي حديث والتحقق من صحته

hdith.com

But this is a matter of dispute because a narrator could be "weak" according to a scholar and "authentic" according to another.

Appreciate your time, my Brother

Do you not feel that Ibn kathir took a lot of things from Tabari ?

Probably did but not sure how much...

 

[Justcrazy]

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LordJames​

First of all thanks for the narrators link, I will see that.

I understand that scholars have said that weak hadeeth in virtues can be used. But what is the need of that , when authentic ones are available. You can understand that they are weak , but there are speakers who derive aqeedah from that. The common person does not understand that. For example there are those who kiss there thumbs when name of the prophet is mentioned , and they dislike the people who do not. This is the result of this mentality.

Also , imagine you are praising someone and you mention that it is weak hadeeth , then what impression does that give on the person whom we are speaking it. It completely dilutes the praise.

And most of the thinks mentioned in the books of fazail are not even hadeeth but stories and incidents . i do not know if you have read them or not , but I am sure that you will disagree with most of them.

 

[LordJames]

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LordJames​

First of all thanks for the narrators link, I will see that.

I understand that scholars have said that weak hadeeth in virtues can be used. But what is the need of that , when authentic ones are available. You can understand that they are weak , but there are speakers who derive aqeedah from that. The common person does not understand that. For example there are those who kiss there thumbs when name of the prophet is mentioned , and they dislike the people who do not. This is the result of this mentality.

Also , imagine you are praising someone and you mention that it is weak hadeeth , then what impression does that give on the person whom we are speaking it. It completely dilutes the praise.

And most of the thinks mentioned in the books of fazail are not even hadeeth but stories and incidents . i do not know if you have read them or not , but I am sure that you will disagree with most of them.

My brother,

It is very difficult to communicate with you as you keep introducing topics without resolving a matter.

Weak Narrations:

I understand that you have quoted an "opinion" on the matter and it is appreciated.

However, would be willing to give someone a chance because they are following Imam Bukhari (RA) on the matter so in summary:

1. You have quoted an "opinion" on Hadeeth.
2. Imam Bukhari (RA) has an opinion on Hadeeth.

Would you at least be tolerant of someone who is choosing to follow not just "opinion" but also "example" of Imam Bukhari (RA)? Btw, I can give you dozens of opinions for major scholars of Hadeeth on this topic so this is a valid and practiced opinion.

Your "personal opinion" is respected but the person does nothing wrong by following the opinion of Imam Bukahri (RA).

In return, I would like for you to clearly that you would allow someone to follow a legitimate, credible and established opinion within Islamic scholarship.

And @Suleiman same for you, please stick to a principled stance in Islam. A weak narration is not a fabricated narration.

As I said, either the two of you want to discuss the matter from Islamic sources or you don't.

Stories:

There are dozens of examples in the Qur'aan and Sunnah of anecdotes. If you disagree, please state so and I will give you evidence from Qur'aan and Sunnah on using anecdotes.

Parents tell anecdotes to their kids.

Whether those anecdotes are good, bad, relevant etc is a subjective matter.

Please discuss principles before expanding the discussion further. Please also don't discuss the ramifications and impact of something, first you must provide your evidence of prohibition of using weak narrations and anecdotes.

 

[Justcrazy]

My brother,

It is very difficult to communicate with you as you keep introducing topics without resolving a matter.

Weak Narrations:

I understand that you have quoted an "opinion" on the matter and it is appreciated.

However, would be willing to give someone a chance because they are following Imam Bukhari (RA) on the matter so in summary:

1. You have quoted an "opinion" on Hadeeth.
2. Imam Bukhari (RA) has an opinion on Hadeeth.

Would you at least be tolerant of someone who is choosing to follow not just "opinion" but also "example" of Imam Bukhari (RA)? Btw, I can give you dozens of opinions for major scholars of Hadeeth on this topic so this is a valid and practiced opinion.

Your "personal opinion" is respected but the person does nothing wrong by following the opinion of Imam Bukahri (RA).

In return, I would like for you to clearly that you would allow someone to follow a legitimate, credible and established opinion within Islamic scholarship.

And @Suleiman same for you, please stick to a principled stance in Islam. A weak narration is not a fabricated narration.

As I said, either the two of you want to discuss the matter from Islamic sources or you don't.

Stories:

There are dozens of examples in the Qur'aan and Sunnah of anecdotes. If you disagree, please state so and I will give you evidence from Qur'aan and Sunnah on using anecdotes.

Parents tell anecdotes to their kids.

Whether those anecdotes are good, bad, relevant etc is a subjective matter.

Please discuss principles before expanding the discussion further. Please also don't discuss the ramifications and impact of something, first you must provide your evidence of prohibition of using weak narrations and anecdotes.

I am not talking about stories and anecdotes from the Quran and hadeeth , I am talking about stories from general books . If for example Quran says ashab e kafh we believe that , but when someone says a deobandi Moulvi Qasim Nanowati came out of grave to settle dispute between two other Moulvis , we do not believe that.

I did not disagree that there are people who have used weak hadeeth for virtues , but as I said when you have authentic narrations available , it makes no sense. If it makes sense to anyone , they can accept that , it's up to them. But should mention in the books and speech , that this is weak hadeeth.

 

[LordJames]

I am not talking about stories and anecdotes from the Quran and hadeeth , I am talking about stories from general books . If for example Quran says ashab e kafh we believe that , but when someone says a deobandi Moulvi Qasim Nanowati came out of grave to settle dispute between two other Moulvis , we do not believe that.

I did not disagree that there are people who have used weak hadeeth for virtues , but as I said when you have authentic narrations available , it makes no sense. If it makes sense to anyone , they can accept that , it's up to them. But should mention in the books and speech , that this is weak hadeeth.

Karamah:

You have skipped discussion on this topic entirely. If you want evidence from Qur'aan and Sunnah (some already provided) please ask and I will provide.

A Karamah by definition is something which you cannot logically explain, would you like me to give you dozens of examples for you to then logically explain them to me?

Weak Hadeeth:

Read this line from 2 days ago

As far as "Fazail" books of Maulana Zakariyya Kandhalwi (RA) are concerned then when it comes to Hadeeth then he mentions the weakness in Arabic directly under the Hadeeth, open the book (In Urdu or English) and read Arabic.

You keep giving an opinion but have yet to admit that if someone is using weak narrations then it is line with the practice of Imam Bukahri (RA):

1. Imam Bukhari (RA) wrote Saheeh Bukhari containing ONLY the most authentic narrations
2. Imam Bukhari (RA) wrote Al-Adab Al-Mufrad containing authentic as well as some weak narrations

Please feel free to challenge this information and let me quote you examples from the work of Imam Bukhari (RA) and my point is that if Imam Bukhari (RA) can do so can anyone else.

You have a "personal opinion" which is opposite to that of Imam Bukhari (RA) , at least admit that this matter is permissible which others are following.

Anecdotes?

Again, you keep moving way from discussing principles.

Please provide evidence that only anecdotes in the Qur'aan and Sunnah can be used? A story which happened to my great great great grandfather can be used to support a point and perfectly permissible.

Once again, we will discuss each and every point of yours in your original post. Please provide evidence of your disagreements with Imam Bukhari (RA) and not mere opinions. If you won't want to and that's fine, at least admit that others are not wrong for following Imam Bukhari (RA) .

Appreciate your time.

 

[Justcrazy]

Karamah:

You have skipped discussion on this topic entirely. If you want evidence from Qur'aan and Sunnah (some already provided) please ask and I will provide.

A Karamah by definition is something which you cannot logically explain, would you like me to give you dozens of examples for you to then logically explain them to me?

Weak Hadeeth:

Read this line from 2 days ago

As far as "Fazail" books of Maulana Zakariyya Kandhalwi (RA) are concerned then when it comes to Hadeeth then he mentions the weakness in Arabic directly under the Hadeeth, open the book (In Urdu or English) and read Arabic.

You keep giving an opinion but have yet to admit that if someone is using weak narrations then it is line with the practice of Imam Bukahri (RA):

1. Imam Bukhari (RA) wrote Saheeh Bukhari containing ONLY the most authentic narrations
2. Imam Bukhari (RA) wrote Al-Adab Al-Mufrad containing authentic as well as some weak narrations

Please feel free to challenge this information and let me quote you examples from the work of Imam Bukhari (RA) and my point is that if Imam Bukhari (RA) can do so can anyone else.

You have a "personal opinion" which is opposite to that of Imam Bukhari (RA) , at least admit that this matter is permissible which others are following.

Anecdotes?

Again, you keep moving way from discussing principles.

Please provide evidence that only anecdotes in the Qur'aan and Sunnah can be used? A story which happened to my great great great grandfather can be used to support a point and perfectly permissible.

Once again, we will discuss each and every point of yours in your original post. Please provide evidence of your disagreements with Imam Bukhari (RA) and not mere opinions. If you won't want to and that's fine, at least admit that others are not wrong for following Imam Bukhari (RA) .

Appreciate your time.

I would be a fool not to accept karamats mentioned in the Quran or authentic hadeeth. I do accept all of them.

If Zakariya mentions the weakness of hadeeth in Arabic , but when he translates that in Urdu and does not mention that it is wrong. he is writing that for urdu speaking people , so why is he not mentioning the fact that it is weak?

Even if you believe that weak hadeeth can be used for virtues , write that it is weak , people would know that.

Now coming to anecdotes that are not from the Quran or hadeeth. My simple question is , what is your criteria to accept? I mean if I show you some such stories , which are not in the Quran or hadeeth , how will you judge those are acceptable to you and which are not. ( I am not asking about any scholars here , i am asking your opinion ).

 

[LordJames]

I would be a fool not to accept karamats mentioned in the Quran or authentic hadeeth. I do accept all of them.

If Zakariya mentions the weakness of hadeeth in Arabic , but when he translates that in Urdu and does not mention that it is wrong. he is writing that for urdu speaking people , so why is he not mentioning the fact that it is weak?

Even if you believe that weak hadeeth can be used for virtues , write that it is weak , people would know that.

Now coming to anecdotes that are not from the Quran or hadeeth. My simple question is , what is your criteria to accept? I mean if I show you some such stories , which are not in the Quran or hadeeth , how will you judge those are acceptable to you and which are not. ( I am not asking about any scholars here , i am asking your opinion ).

Brother,

I’m just an ordinary person, and I don’t offer opinions on matters where Allah and His Messenger ﷺ have already spoken. Where they have remained silent, I turn to the understanding of the Salaf and the recognized scholars of Islam. If my views ever contradict theirs, then the fault lies in my own limited knowledge and understanding — and it is my ego, not the truth, that needs correction.​

Weak Narrations:

Since you’ve asked about it a second time — yes, it is mentioned in the official Urdu prints published by authorized publishers (I’ve personally seen it), as well as in English translations. There are no copyright restrictions, so anyone can print it and that's why I didn't mention "Urdu" to you first. However, in the original Arabic editions, it is definitely mentioned in every single print — though strictly speaking, that's not a requirement.​

Imam Bukhari (RA) does not mention weak narrations in Al-Adab Al-Mufrad in Arabic all the time, please feel free to google and check older prints. So going by the example of Imam Bukhari (RA) there is still nothing wrong if you are trying to look at an Urdu version which doesn't mention it.

Karaamat & Anecdotes:

The discussion started with Imam Abu Haneefa (RA) which I given you the evidence of being Salaf and the opinion of scholars about him. It is entirely possible to have Karamaat at his hands and Mufti Taqi Usmani quotes it from a chain and gives reference.

Karamaat can happen to those who follow Qur'aan and Sunnah as already discussed. They are not something which can possibly be ALL mentioned in the Qur'aan and Sunnah because they happen even now.

Here is a second reference for you on the topic and answers your questions, by Shaykh Bin Baz (RA)

There is no obligation or necessity for me to comment upon or give my "opinion" on everything every XYZ claims or everything which happens in this world. In fact, Islam demands the opposite from me which is to be careful when speaking.​

 

[LordJames]

@Justcrazy @Suleiman

Traveling for the next few weeks so will get back into things in the future, won't have full access to the Internet

 

[Theo_14]

Those that have mortgages for a property they live in or have invested in, what are your Islamic justifications?

 

[sweep_shot]

Those that have mortgages for a property they live in or have invested in, what are your Islamic justifications?

It is sinful to use conventional mortgage (which has interest). That's the mainstream position.

There are some Islamic alternatives but I am not well-versed in those. I don't know how those work.

 

[Justcrazy]

Those that have mortgages for a property they live in or have invested in, what are your Islamic justifications?

From your post I remembered an incident related to this.

There is a person who works with me , he is a Muslim , a practicing one . He has a live mortgage , so he gave me justification. He said to me that I give a mortgage , believing it to be rent I am paying for the house.

So I asked him , by your logic , if a man says I hire an escort and have sex believing her to be my wife , will that be allowed ?

 

[sweep_shot]

From your post I remembered an incident related to this.

There is a person who works with me , he is a Muslim , a practicing one . He has a live mortgage , so he gave me justification. He said to me that I give a mortgage , believing it to be rent I am paying for the house.

So I asked him , by your logic , if a man says I hire an escort and have sex believing her to be my wife , will that be allowed ?

Some Islamic institutions have started to offer Islamic/halal mortgages. Do you think those mortgages are okay?

Here is one example: https://eqraz.com/.

I personally don't know how these financings work. There are terms like mudarabah, musharakah etc.

 

[Justcrazy]

Some Islamic institutions have started to offer Islamic/halal mortgages. Do you think those mortgages are okay?

Here is one example: https://eqraz.com/.

I personally don't know how these financings work. There are terms like mudarabah, musharakah etc.

They have been there pretty long time , but how there are two flaws here.
first , they are not clear in how they work .
second , they are more expensive than the regular mortgage rates.