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"Not a Test championship if the top two teams are not playing against each other" : Waqar Younis

Dubai: Former Pakistan captain and coach Waqar Younis feels that the proposed International Cricket Council (ICC) Test Championship will have no meaning if India and Pakistan do not play each other.

Speaking to Gulf News, soon after the ICC Cricket board meeting in Auckland announced their plans to launch a nine-team Test league and a 13-team ODI league aimed at bringing context and meaning to bilateral cricket, Younis said: “Test Championship is a good idea. They have to probably think hard how to go about it because with Pakistan not playing India, that is not going to the help the whole thing. If these two countries play each other it will not only help the Test Championship but also help the relations between the two countries.”

Younis strongly feels that India-Pakistan bilateral Tests series is a must. “You cannot really call this a Test championship if the top two teams are not playing against each others. How can you consider the others as champions or as No. 1 and No. 2 without these two teams not playing against each other as they are the two top teams.”

Referring to India’s objection to playing in Pakistan as well as in the UAE, Younis said: “If India want to play Pakistan, they can even play them in England or in Australia. It doesn’t matter where you play though the UAE is home for Pakistan.”

When asked about the proposed ICC’s One Day International league, Younis said: “I am surprised whether we have the time for such a league. We have got World Cup, Champions Trophy, T20 World Cup and so many ICC tournaments and so I don’t think there is any room for it. We are trying to build this Test championship because we don’t want Test cricket to suffer. We feel that Test cricket, if not held in England or Australia, it is suffering in other parts of the world.

“If ICC can bring everyone on board and play each other, people will get interested. There should be a point system where teams can go up and down over two years and then you will know exactly which team is the best,” he said.

Though there is a proposal for four-day Test matches, Younis said: “I am not for it and don’t believe in it. Test match cricket has been there for hundreds of years. I can understand introducing pink ball to pull in the crowd but any other alteration to Test cricket, I am not for it. I want to keep that beauty of the Test match cricket.”

Younis wants day-night cricket to be tested in India. “We saw day-night Test cricket doing well in England and in Australia. We haven’t seen it in India yet and we need to see how it works in India and Sri Lanka. In Sri Lanka, a lot will depend on the weather. We need to pick the right weather for it.”
Younis does not want more modifications to One-day cricket too. “Enough modifications have been done. Let us go with it for the next two three years and then we will see if something is required. Too much changing is not good for the game and not good for the captains too as they need to keep learning and also for the commentators.”

Talking about Pakistan’s defeat in the Test series, Younis said: “Pakistan lost the Test series as they were a little complacent. They were under cooked and not prepared well enough. They were complacent thinking that Sri Lanka, who had lost to Zimbabwe and India, had players hit by injuries and hence will be easy. Pakistan was not a bad side but it was not a good start for (captain) Sarfraz.

“Pakistan need to identify who are their Test bowlers and who are their one-day bowlers. If Mohammad Amir is a one day bowler, stick with him in One dayers. If Hasan Ali is a One day or T20 bowler stick with him there and find bowlers who can give you the control, discipline and pace required for the Test match cricket. I don’t think in this series we were ready for that. We just came played and lost.”

http://gulfnews.com/sport/cricket/i...-pakistan-ties-in-test-championship-1.2105754
 
He's spot on regarding the selection of bowlers for Test cricket and why are the selectors picking bowlers who are clearly not ideal for Tests at the moment.

Regarding the Test championship, if India versus Pakistan doesn't happen how can it be called a Test championship.
 
Im sorry last i checked Pakistan is at #7.

How is he saying "Top 2 teams"?

Pakistan is nowhere near top. He should stop deluding himself.

Coming to Ind-Pak cricket, well most Indians dont really care if series take place or not. Im fine if they play or not.
 
Im sorry last i checked Pakistan is at #7.

How is he saying "Top 2 teams"?

Pakistan is nowhere near top. He should stop deluding himself.

Coming to Ind-Pak cricket, well most Indians dont really care if series take place or not. Im fine if they play or not.

In test definitely Pakistan is not at par but it's ODI bowling unit is world class
 
In test definitely Pakistan is not at par but it's ODI bowling unit is world class

Here Waqar is talking about Test league, so im only refuting his claim that “Pakistan is a top side”, which is not true.

In Lois Pakistan does have best bowling unit and they are shaping up nicely for upcoming WC.
 
We should play pakistan under this championship.In tests we have the advantage now,make it count.Though i doubt india govt will agree as a single tour will mean 100 million in PCB kitty.
 
Im sorry last i checked Pakistan is at #7.

How is he saying "Top 2 teams"?

Pakistan is nowhere near top. He should stop deluding himself.

Coming to Ind-Pak cricket, well most Indians dont really care if series take place or not. Im fine if they play or not.

Top teams in terms of fan base maybe?
Top team in that they capture the publics imagination?
 
Mind explaining me then why was last few test matches played between India and Pakistan had empty stands?

Big three are not only big in terms of finances, they are also quite far ahead in terms of fan support, especially for tests.
 
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What's up with the ex-Pakistan players always bringing up wanting to play with India. It's embarrassing.
 
By use of commonsense, one can deduce he is talking about in terms of fan-base and attention when he refers to top teams.

5 day encounter between these 2 teams is the best way to get interest back in Tests
 
By use of commonsense, one can deduce he is talking about in terms of fan-base and attention when he refers to top teams.

5 day encounter between these 2 teams is the best way to get interest back in Tests
Yeah there's no such thing as common sense which implies the biggest fanbase, when you;re saying top teams. The right word is popular, top 2 implies the best!
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Please like & retweet this if you agree with me <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TestChampionship?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TestChampionship</a> Mother of all games <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvsINDIA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvsINDIA</a> <a href="https://t.co/P9ax2NRX16">pic.twitter.com/P9ax2NRX16</a></p>— waqar younis (@waqyounis99) <a href="https://twitter.com/waqyounis99/status/919473995417837568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 15, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Yeah there's no such thing as common sense which implies the biggest fanbase, when you;re saying top teams. The right word is popular, top 2 implies the best!

You are free to sit with a dictionary and interpret but most people got it the first time.
 
You are free to sit with a dictionary and interpret but most people got it the first time.
No they didn't, you're just making that up. Top 2 implies the best not the most popular, or any convoluted definition you're coming up with.

In any case it is crystal clear why the PCB wants a series with India, the same PCB which refused to tour India for a whole decade during the nineties!
 
No they didn't, you're just making that up. Top 2 implies the best not the most popular, or any convoluted definition you're coming up with.

In any case it is crystal clear why the PCB wants a series with India, the same PCB which refused to tour India for a whole decade during the nineties!

You need to cool down and stop being a literalist. Waqar was probably asked a question and he answered it in the common sense manner that MenInG mentioned above. Learn to relax a little and let people be.
 
You need to cool down and stop being a literalist. Waqar was probably asked a question and he answered it in the common sense manner that MenInG mentioned above. Learn to relax a little and let people be.
Sure but the fact remains they're doing this mainly for $$$ just like the ICC for their namesake multilateral events.
 
Sure but the fact remains they're doing this mainly for $$$ just like the ICC for their namesake multilateral events.

So now you bring dollars in to it?

Please keep you insecurities in check and take a deep breath before posting..

Waqar has not suddenly lost his marbles and thinks Pakistan is the best or second best test team in the world.
 
So now you bring dollars in to it?

Please keep you insecurities in check and take a deep breath before posting..

Waqar has not suddenly lost his marbles and thinks Pakistan is the best or second best test team in the world.
Why not, did the PCB have a heart transplant, ala Hello Brother?

Are the PCB doing this just to improve Indo Pak relations, if so what about the last decade of the previous millenium? Are they doing this solely for the benefit of their fans, really then what about cancelling Bangla tour? Are they really into tests, then what about just the one test series vs SL & then another almost a year afterwards?

No one said anything about Waqar being greedy, they implies PCB in this context. He's just repeating the official party line.

And please keep this "cricket helps resolve bilateral issues" fallacy to yourself, you know till the time militancy or K valley isn't resolved nothing will last, in terms of peace or accords.
 
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Why not, did the PCB have a heart transplant, ala Hello Brother?

Are the PCB doing this just to improve Indo Pak relations, if so what about the last decade of the previous millenium? Are they doing this solely for the benefit of their fans, really then what about cancelling Bangla tour? Are they really into tests, then what about just the one test series vs SL & then another almost a year afterwards?

No one said anything about Waqar being greedy, they implies PCB in this context. He's just repeating the official party line.

And please keep this "cricket helps resolve bilateral issues" fallacy to yourself, you know till the time militancy or K valley isn't resolved nothing will last, in terms of peace or accords.

I see you didn’t take my advise.

No point in having a discussion with someone whose just looking to troll, at least for your sakes I hope you are trolling.
 
I see you didn’t take my advise.

No point in having a discussion with someone whose just looking to troll, at least for your sakes I hope you are trolling.
So you have nothing more to add, can't answer why Ind vs Pak needs to be a must have contest in this new proposed league, especially when there are much bigger issues to settle?

Okay, as for ICC events, the only reason we see so many games between us is because ICC fixes the groups, I'm sure I posted about it multiple times.

If you've got nothing to say then don't presume everyone is here trolling, like some PPers do.
 
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Im sorry last i checked Pakistan is at #7.

How is he saying "Top 2 teams"?

Pakistan is nowhere near top. He should stop deluding himself.

Coming to Ind-Pak cricket, well most Indians dont really care if series take place or not. Im fine if they play or not.

Test rankings are pretty fluid. One long home season can take a team from number 7 to number 1.
 
Test ranking is determined by recent performance (not more than three years old). Ancient history is not used to rank the teams. Bringing up selective figures from distant past will not alter this fact.
 
That's a bit like saying the FIFA World Cup is pointless without Brazil playing against Argentina. The first 4 ODI World Cups also did not feature any India-Pakistan matches. Were they also meaningless?
 
That's a bit like saying the FIFA World Cup is pointless without Brazil playing against Argentina. The first 4 ODI World Cups also did not feature any India-Pakistan matches. Were they also meaningless?

World Cups ≠ League format
 
That's a bit like saying the FIFA World Cup is pointless without Brazil playing against Argentina. The first 4 ODI World Cups also did not feature any India-Pakistan matches. Were they also meaningless?

Test Cricket has more dimensions than most sports, master of conditions is a vital factor. If AUS never play SA(who both are master of bouncy conditions), then they both never get tested at home. Same goes for India and Pakistan, they are generally top two teams of Asian conditions, if they never play each other than means they are not tested against best to offer for those conditions. Champion is pointless if you are not really tested at home...
 
Test rankings are pretty fluid. One long home season can take a team from number 7 to number 1.

Rankings are accurate as it reflects the performances for the duration of 3 years and not just one long home season. India would never rise to #1 if they wouldnt compete well away from home, and destroy teams at home. Which is why Pakistan is currently #7 and India at top.
 
Test Cricket has more dimensions than most sports, master of conditions is a vital factor. If AUS never play SA(who both are master of bouncy conditions), then they both never get tested at home. Same goes for India and Pakistan, they are generally top two teams of Asian conditions, if they never play each other than means they are not tested against best to offer for those conditions. Champion is pointless if you are not really tested at home...

No matter how you look at it, Pakistan is not a top team. Even ranking wise they arent second team in Asia.
 
No they didn't, you're just making that up. Top 2 implies the best not the most popular, or any convoluted definition you're coming up with!

it's waqar. His english is not the best
 
Man I wish India had visited us in UAE before YK/Misbah retired but now we are a weaker team and India will probably win the series.

Either way, I do agree with Waqar: PAK-IND test matches are essential for the Test Ch'ship.
 
Rankings are accurate as it reflects the performances for the duration of 3 years and not just one long home season. India would never rise to #1 if they wouldnt compete well away from home, and destroy teams at home. Which is why Pakistan is currently #7 and India at top.

I don’t know about India competing well away, but they’ve had a few memorable wins abroad. The rest of your post about them being better, well enough away is revisionist garbage
 
I don’t know about India competing well away, but they’ve had a few memorable wins abroad. The rest of your post about them being better, well enough away is revisionist garbage

Funny, because i think the same when Pakistani fans/experts likes to claim Pakistan as 'Top team'
:salute
 
Man I wish India had visited us in UAE before YK/Misbah retired but now we are a weaker team and India will probably win the series.

Either way, I do agree with Waqar: PAK-IND test matches are essential for the Test Ch'ship.

How so?
Im yet to get a detailed analysis by anyone proving that claim. Historically these two teams have produced dull draws in front of empty stands. India-Pakistan rivalry is mainly in LOIs and not in test matches.
 
How so?
Im yet to get a detailed analysis by anyone proving that claim. Historically these two teams have produced dull draws in front of empty stands. India-Pakistan rivalry is mainly in LOIs and not in test matches.

I’ll agree that India are a better test team if you agree that India, with over a billion population plus billions of dollars in the coffers, produce less talented players proportionately then any other test playing country which now also includes Ireland and Afghanistan...
 
I’ll agree that India are a better test team if you agree that India, with over a billion population plus billions of dollars in the coffers, produce less talented players proportionately then any other test playing country which now also includes Ireland and Afghanistan...

Talent is very overly used word in Pakistan it seems, you guys give lot of importance to raw talent whereas us wants to provide proper training and facilities to convert that talent into consistent performer.
Now you’re asking me if India have far less talent(raw) than other countries then Id say i really dont know. In India competition is very tough(ive personally played age group cricket for club in Mumbai). An average Indian will be competing with millions whereas an average Irish would probably compete with 1000. But it will be very wrong to say India produces less raw talent than Pakistan or any other nation. Just look at U19 for instance, India is legit dominating that age group cricket. We dominated England in England and now we are certain to lift Asia cup next year in Malayasia. So, unless ofcoure you have different way of quantifying talent which im not aware of, please shed some light.

Again im not really sure how is this even related to subject on hand, how is raw talent pool in India got anything to do with ‘India-Pakistan’ test series. The real battle takes place on the field between 22 men.

And also do explain me from commercial and fan perspective how successful have been test series between two nations since 1988-89. If i recall correctly, it includes countless number of boring draws and flat pattas. There were exceptional games here and there but mostly been draws. Last thing a test championship need is a boring draws.
 
Indian phir ro rahaay hain...oh bhai, take a deep breath and learn to take other's opionions as well and not insist that only you can be right!

Just one year ago if Waqar had said the same, he would be quite right as well (anyway you would look at it at that time)...a few series going Pak way and same or near top ranking could be had soon as well, so why worry, be happy; you get to play ICC event matches against us and last time you did that, you got threashed the worst way possible!

So much so that your number 1 ranking and our number 7/8 did not matter much anyway and you created a really earth shattering record as well...so, I do understand why Indian fans will make so much noise when Waqar suggests a matchup between the number 1 and number 7th ranked, I mean it is quite obvious that lessons learned one recent June date have not been forgotten yet :-)
 
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India are scared of playing Pakistan... as simple as that! This is a well known fact since Cricket started between these two!
 
Talent is very overly used word in Pakistan it seems, you guys give lot of importance to raw talent whereas us wants to provide proper training and facilities to convert that talent into consistent performer.
Now you’re asking me if India have far less talent(raw) than other countries then Id say i really dont know. In India competition is very tough(ive personally played age group cricket for club in Mumbai). An average Indian will be competing with millions whereas an average Irish would probably compete with 1000. But it will be very wrong to say India produces less raw talent than Pakistan or any other nation. Just look at U19 for instance, India is legit dominating that age group cricket. We dominated England in England and now we are certain to lift Asia cup next year in Malayasia. So, unless ofcoure you have different way of quantifying talent which im not aware of, please shed some light.

Again im not really sure how is this even related to subject on hand, how is raw talent pool in India got anything to do with ‘India-Pakistan’ test series. The real battle takes place on the field between 22 men.

And also do explain me from commercial and fan perspective how successful have been test series between two nations since 1988-89. If i recall correctly, it includes countless number of boring draws and flat pattas. There were exceptional games here and there but mostly been draws. Last thing a test championship need is a boring draws.

You do realise that your entire post just backs up my statement?
 
Test Cricket has more dimensions than most sports, master of conditions is a vital factor. If AUS never play SA(who both are master of bouncy conditions), then they both never get tested at home. Same goes for India and Pakistan, they are generally top two teams of Asian conditions, if they never play each other than means they are not tested against best to offer for those conditions. Champion is pointless if you are not really tested at home...

In asian conditions, Pakistan is now below SL. Losing 0-2 to SL has meant that even in Asian conditions, SL come out higher. Right now, I would love to see Pakistan play in Bangladesh, either in UAE or Bangladesh.
 
Indian phir ro rahaay hain...oh bhai, take a deep breath and learn to take other's opionions as well and not insist that only you can be right!

Just one year ago if Waqar had said the same, he would be quite right as well (anyway you would look at it at that time)...a few series going Pak way and same or near top ranking could be had soon as well, so why worry, be happy; you get to play ICC event matches against us and last time you did that, you got threashed the worst way possible!

So much so that your number 1 ranking and our number 7/8 did not matter much anyway and you created a really earth shattering record as well...so, I do understand why Indian fans will make so much noise when Waqar suggests a matchup between the number 1 and number 7th ranked, I mean it is quite obvious that lessons learned one recent June date have not been forgotten yet :-)

Isn't it the Pakistanis crying that they done get to play India? Have some self respect and stop begging India to play!
 
Isn't it the Pakistanis crying that they done get to play India? Have some self respect and stop begging India to play!



Yep, my name is PCB, yep, it is established from now onwards; this is on the same scale as Indian fans getting giddy at BCCI making lots of money, as if they will inherit some of it :-)
 
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