Varun
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Can you name one Indian bowler who bowls faster than our 16 year old Naseem Shah?
There are several, but please stop repeating his age for post credibility reasons.
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Can you name one Indian bowler who bowls faster than our 16 year old Naseem Shah?
We still have one of the worst attacks in the world. As individuals ssa or abbas might be ok but as a collective attack not enough pressure is created. Field settings are just wrong with slips too deep. It’s not just the attack it’s the captaincy and management that’s to blame. Hopefully there are some youngsters coming through but we’ve lost a generation of bowlers.
Sometimes I wonder what waqar is doing.
This was a massive eye opener but we chose to bury our heads in the sand like always.
Naseem and Abbas don't merit a spot anymore, and the fans won't accept that a young superstar should leave the team. Abbas fans will talk about his economy rate and so-called pressure, but if I wanted that I'd jsut ask Shan Masood to bowl seeing as both bowl at roughly the same pace.
Faheem > Abbas on current form, so Abbas is really wasting a slot.
Shaheen isn't really that good at the moment because he isn't getting rewards for the chances he is creating.
Only Shaheen from our bowling attack should stay, everyone else can take a hike.
We have literally been playing the same attack since the pummelling in Australia. Very questionable decisions.
Same attack, same coaches, same results.
Incredible that we could absorb the humiliation we took in Aus and change absolutely nothing a year later. Shows how numb we are to getting thrashed these days.
That AUS tour was the most shameful performance in PAK Test history. Zimbabwe would've competed better.
Cannot believe we debuted Naseem Shah and Musa Khan in Australia of all places - and recalled 33 year old Imran Khan of all people.
We have literally been playing the same attack since the pummelling in Australia. Very questionable decisions.
This is literally the worst attack I have ever seen pakistan consistently play. It’s one thing to play such absolutely useless bowlers but it’s another thing to have the besharmi to play them consistently as if they are collectively some great attack.
Of the bowlers; only Shaheen is someone who has long term utility and even he isn’t as good and nor does he have the ceiling which Pakistani fans like to think he has. Abbas is done. Naseem was and is trash. Just because you’re young you can’t attach the ‘talent’ tag to everyone and give them a debut.
We all know why Naseem Shah and Musa were selected. They weren’t selected due to skill or real talent. They are clearly not ready nor have they shown any proper raw skills to be able to make the claim that they would eventually be world class. The only reason they were selected was to shield the team management and give a ‘toffee’ to the Pakistani fans to make them shut up. I can atleast claim I have been saying this consistently from the series they were selected.
The management knew they would get a drubbing but by playing a 16 and 17 year old they could point out to ‘potential’ and ‘building for the future’ and avoid real scrutiny and questions about the pathetic performance and plans. And Naseem’s mother unforuntately passing away that tour gave more fodder to media stories.
Compare last two series with Pakistani bowlers in England 2010, 2016 and 2018, then in NZ 2010, and 2016. We weren't great in eariler series, those performances were million times better than this trash and minnow level. I think Bangladesh bowlers would bowl a lot better
Well Waqar handpicked this bunch and I have been telling you for the past 6 years he has no clue as a coach.
This is the first time in all my years watching Pakistan cricket, even during our worst phases, where I've zero confidence we can take 20 wickets in a Test match.
Ponting has not just seen but played against Vinay Kumar in Australia. Pretty telling commentary on pak attack viewed from this perspective.
There was an SL attack around 2006 or so which had toired Australia and had worse figures than this Pakistan attack. Ponting played against that attack but diesnt seem to remember it.
He may be taking into account the quality of the batsmen too. For eg Aussies piled runs against the 2009-10 Pakistan attack (asides from Sydney first innings) but you won’t see them being in such a list because even when they didn’t take wickets they would be creating chances. This current lot goes a session without making solid chances

Eng: Anderson,Broad,Harmison
SA: Steyn,Morkel,Ntini,Philander
Aus: Johnson,Starc,Siddle,Lee,Hazlewood
India: Ishant,Zaheer
NZ: Southee,Boult,Wagner
WI: Roach
Pakistan: No 200+ test wickets fast bowler post 2003 (After Wasim + Waqar retired).
None for Srilanka as well.
That's because we had much bigger variety of fast bowlers as compared to other countries like India who produce 1 genuine fast bowler in 20 years and keep playing him for at least 15 years.
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)That's because we had much bigger variety of fast bowlers as compared to other countries like India who produce 1 genuine fast bowler in 20 years and keep playing him for at least 15 years.
We still have one of the worst attacks in the world. As individuals ssa or abbas might be ok but as a collective attack not enough pressure is created. Field settings are just wrong with slips too deep. It’s not just the attack it’s the captaincy and management that’s to blame. Hopefully there are some youngsters coming through but we’ve lost a generation of bowlers.
Sometimes I wonder what waqar is doing.
That's because we had much bigger variety of fast bowlers as compared to other countries like India who produce 1 genuine fast bowler in 20 years and keep playing him for at least 15 years.
That's because we had much bigger variety of fast bowlers as compared to other countries like India who produce 1 genuine fast bowler in 20 years and keep playing him for at least 15 years.
Any bowling in the world will look toothless with Pakistani fielders
This has to be the worst bowling ever from Pakistan
Misbah picks up a guy who is 5’ 10”, bowls around 120kph to 125 kph, barely seaming the ball. Another 5’ 10” fast bowler, bowls 135 kph to 137kph, gun barrel straight and mostly bowls wide and short.
Misbah should be sacked for this
Most Test wickets by Pak pacers since Wasim & Waqar retirement (2003)
Umar Gul - 163 @ 34.1
Aamir - 119 @ 30.5
Asif - 106 @ 24.36
Shoaib Akhtar - 90 @ 24.24
Abbas - 83 @ 22.33
Not a single pacer with 200+ wkts they have produced in last 17 years.. what a downfall
Biggest myth in modern cricketing history.
Most Test wickets by Pak pacers since Wasim & Waqar retirement (2003)
Umar Gul - 163 @ 34.1
Aamir - 119 @ 30.5
Asif - 106 @ 24.36
Shoaib Akhtar - 90 @ 24.24
Abbas - 83 @ 22.33
Not a single pacer with 200+ wkts they have produced in last 17 years.. what a downfall
Ponting has not just seen but played against Vinay Kumar in Australia. Pretty telling commentary on pak attack viewed from this perspective.

Lol it’s not even a myth. I don’t even know who’s believing this. Since 2010 summer (batting few periods like India tour to Aus 2011-12), india has had a consistently better pace bowling attack than Pakistan’s.
I didn’t watch 90s Indian cricket but the mid 2000s were so baad for you guys. One innocuous trundler after another. Mithun, Dinda, Unadakat etc etc.
Even before the w's we had imran and sarfaraz etc but now abbas has become impotent and naseem is still firing blanks
I just can't understand why shaheen can't do what jamieson can
It's the same wicket and they have the same height
The only thing I can suggest is for the whole team to start smoking weed with high level of THC to get their blood pumping and avoid the stress that management is outing them through, last inning you could clearly hear Naseem saying to Abbas while batting “ all is on me, agar nahi kiya to under daat Bohat paray gi “ or let the fans smoke weed so we can leave in the hallucination
)The only thing I can suggest is for the whole team to start smoking weed with high level of THC to get their blood pumping and avoid the stress that management is outing them through, last inning you could clearly hear Naseem saying to Abbas while batting “ all is on me, agar nahi kiya to under daat Bohat paray gi “ or let the fans smoke weed so we can leave in the hallucination
We can potentially have a pace attack of Shaheen, Amir (once Misbah is gone), Hasan Ali and Faheem for overseas tours. Not saying we’ll become world beaters all of a sudden, but it’ll be way better than this.
I was looking at the stats on cricinfo & I realized that Pakistan haven't taken 20 wickets in an away test match since 3rd test vs South Africa @ Johannesburg (Jan 11 - Jan 14) in 2019 & that too was in lost cause & if you want to look at the away match where Pakistan took 20 wickets & won the game, it was 1st test @ Lords (May 24 - May 27) 2018.
This is beyond pathetic.
Pakistan bowling attack has become a sitcom. It feels like a parody by some comedy show.
You have got a 40 year old uncle masquerading himself as a 31 year old and bowling 100 kph ladoos to the batsmen.
He calls himself a new ball bowler but the keeper has to stand up to him otherwise he cannot take wickets.
Give him a year and his deliveries will not reach the batsman on one bounce.
Then you have got a 20 year old calling himself 17 and proclaiming that he likes to see fear in batsmen’s eyes, but batsmen have smashed him like no tomorrow, and helped him achieve the world record of conceding the most runs in an innings by a pacer (wicket-less innings).
His bowling record is Australia, England and New Zealand is beginning to rival Bradman’s batting record.
Then you have got Yasir. He has made a dozen tours outside Asia and unlike Ashwin, he simply cannot learn how to bowl on non-Asian tracks.
But yet, there is no denying that he has been Pakistan’s best Test bowler by a mile over the last decade and the only hope if Pakistan are to take 20 wickets. In spite of that, he cops the most abuse by the fans.
Zafar Gohar is a decent prospect for Asian tracks, but he most have created his own world record of bowling 32 overs without a single threatening delivery.
The only non-comic character is Shaheen, but he needs to improve his fitness to increase his peace and become more threatening with the old ball. However, at least he looks threatening with the new ball.
In-between, it is easy to forget that Faheem is also bowling. All the focus is on the mediocrity of Abbas and Naseem.