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He won't resign. He is too shameless to do that. The guy comes out in his press conferences with a smile on his face, regardless of the result. He is a shameless person and I have lost all respect for him. He isn't a legend for me anymore. His legacy is in the bin.
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I'm glad I didn't go to the game today. An absolute embarrassment. I wanted Ole gone at the end of last season after that pathetic loss to Villareal in the Europa final. He has to go. Unfortunately I think the owners will stick by him and he will be here for a little longer. I respect what he did for the club as a player, but as a manager he is completely out of his depth along with his coaches.
Unfortunately that is exactly what they will do. They should sack him tonight but they will wait until we are out of the title race & we are back in the Europa League. If we sack him now and get in Conte or Zidane, we can still salvage this season.
Also, I don't trust the glazers to appoint the right man. They will probably give it to Carrick or Fletcher till the end of the season, because of the United DNA nonsense.
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Most of the UTD fans I know still really admire Ole as a person and a player. They wont openly turn against him but inside are hoping that he does the right thing or is gently booted.
I think the players still respect him aswell. Some of the last minute comebacks in the champions league for instance, are the signs of players wanting to dig in for the manager.
However, despite the overall good-will, its quite obvious he isn't up to the job and its best for everyone that he goes.
I think the players still respect him aswell. Some of the last minute comebacks in the champions league for instance, are the signs of players wanting to dig in for the manager.
However, despite the overall good-will, its quite obvious he isn't up to the job and its best for everyone that he goes.
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Top 4?
Utd aren't getting close to the PL title.
Ole is confused, he doesn't know which system to play because he bought too many attacking players. £75 Sancho on the bench, shows he's clueless.
However tbf, he came up against a LFC team which will be seen as an ATG PL team in years to come. Even Fergies treble winners would have been hammered.
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Manchester United: Is Ole Gunnar Solskjaer on the brink of the sack?
Manchester United's embarrassing 5-0 home defeat by Liverpool at Old Trafford has been followed by an avalanche of criticism for manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.
Many fans believe the Norwegian should be sacked immediately after the worst home defeat to their biggest rivals, a result eclipsed only by a 7-1 defeat at Liverpool in 1895, when the club was still known as Newton Heath.
Former players have said Solskjaer has got to go and although Gary Neville has said he would not call for the dismissal of his former team-mate and friend, the former United skipper did not hold back in his condemnation of an awful performance.
So far, United have been silent.
Here, BBC Sport looks at what is going on at Old Trafford.
Could Solskjaer be sacked?
Until someone from United says otherwise, yes. David Moyes and Jose Mourinho were both dismissed after Sunday afternoon defeats. In Moyes' case, it was a 2-0 defeat at Everton, which meant the club could not finish in the top four. For Mourinho, a 3-1 reverse at Liverpool proved to be his last game in charge.
In both instances, their dismissal did not come until the Tuesday.
United officials have said for months that Solskjaer is taking the club in the right direction. The Norwegian was given a new three-year contract in the summer. His assistant, Mike Phelan, was given one earlier this month and talks have been continuing with coaches Michael Carrick and Kieran McKenna.
Any decision to remove Solskjaer would only be taken after a lot of thought and not as a knee-jerk reaction.
That said, the sheer magnitude of the Liverpool defeat demands serious questions being asked of Solskjaer and his staff, and especially because United have now taken one point from their last four games - and have three difficult games against Tottenham away, Manchester City and Chelsea, plus Watford, to play in their next four.
Solskjaer described the loss as his darkest day as United manager, but vowed to carry on despite the extra pressure the result puts on him. The club is seventh in the Premier League with 14 points from nine games - already eight points behind leaders Chelsea.
Executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward talks to the Glazer family almost every day. Managing director Richard Arnold, expected to replace Woodward when he leaves at the end of this year, also has regular communication with the club's owners.
It is inconceivable the manager's on-going future has not been part of those daily discussions. Whether that means this humiliating result means they are going to sack him is another matter entirely.
What do the players think?
BBC Sport understands an increasing number of players are starting to lose faith in Solskjaer. They don't trust his tactics and feel he is out of his depth compared to managers at the bigger clubs, namely Pep Guardiola, Jurgen Klopp and Thomas Tuchel.
This could be viewed as players trying to absolve themselves from responsibility over a collective mess. However, numerous former professionals have also condemned Solskjaer for the way his team performed against Liverpool, for both their individual and half-hearted approach to pressing Klopp's side and inability to track runners.
After the victory against Atalanta on Wednesday - when they were 2-0 down at half time - former United midfielder Paul Scholes said he feared for what would happen against Liverpool if his old club played in a similar way.
They did, with exactly the same starting line-up, and the outcome was embarrassing.
Players in a team coached by Guardiola, Klopp or Tuchel would not get away with the lack of energy or discipline shown by United against Liverpool or last week at Leicester City, the narrative goes.
One visible difference between the coaches is their relative presence in the technical area. While the Spaniard and the two Germans are an almost constant presence in the technical area - with other coaches rarely offering instruction - United tend to rotate their coaches to impart advice.
That said, it was noticeable that Solskjaer - who doesn't take training sessions - was more visible against Liverpool than is usually the case.
What is beyond doubt is that whatever tactics and patterns of play Solskjaer wants his team to use, his players have been unwilling or unable to carry them out - with the Liverpool thrashing the culmination of a season of modest United performances.
What are the options?
Clearly, the easiest decision would be to leave Solskjaer where he is. Many fans feel that is unacceptable but United stuck by Moyes, Louis van Gaal and Mourinho long after many thought they should have been dispensed with.
However, the scale of the Liverpool defeat encourage United's hierarchy to act more decisively.
That would however create another obvious problem for them to solve. When Moyes and Mourinho left in mid-season, United turned to a celebrated old boy to steady the ship, first Ryan Giggs - who was part of the coaching team already - and then Solskjaer, who was called in from Norway, where he was in charge of Molde.
The idea of replacing Solskjaer with a United legend as an interim - even if one could be found who was willing to take over from, potentially, a popular former team-mate - does not seem to fit.
There are two high-profile potential candidates out of work in former Chelsea boss Antonio Conte and ex-Real Madrid manager Zinedine Zidane.
Conte would seem at odds with United's long-term approach, even if his Serie A title success in Italy last season with Inter Milan proves he retains an ability to win major prizes to go along with his feisty personality.
Zidane won every honour in the game at Real, but there is uncertainty over the amount of hands-on coaching he did, and that may not suit United. He also has no experience of the Premier League and does not speak English - although Leeds' Marcelo Bielsa has proved that is not a barrier to success.
Beyond that, Ajax's Eric ten Hag refused to leave mid-season when the vacancy at Bayern Munich arose in 2019, while it is not known how seriously United would consider another manager in the ascendancy in Leicester City's Brendan Rodgers given his Liverpool connection.
It may be that a lack of an attractive available replacement may count in favour of Solskjaer being given time to make up for the debacle against Liverpool.
Via : https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/58990549
Manchester United's embarrassing 5-0 home defeat by Liverpool at Old Trafford has been followed by an avalanche of criticism for manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.
Many fans believe the Norwegian should be sacked immediately after the worst home defeat to their biggest rivals, a result eclipsed only by a 7-1 defeat at Liverpool in 1895, when the club was still known as Newton Heath.
Former players have said Solskjaer has got to go and although Gary Neville has said he would not call for the dismissal of his former team-mate and friend, the former United skipper did not hold back in his condemnation of an awful performance.
So far, United have been silent.
Here, BBC Sport looks at what is going on at Old Trafford.
Could Solskjaer be sacked?
Until someone from United says otherwise, yes. David Moyes and Jose Mourinho were both dismissed after Sunday afternoon defeats. In Moyes' case, it was a 2-0 defeat at Everton, which meant the club could not finish in the top four. For Mourinho, a 3-1 reverse at Liverpool proved to be his last game in charge.
In both instances, their dismissal did not come until the Tuesday.
United officials have said for months that Solskjaer is taking the club in the right direction. The Norwegian was given a new three-year contract in the summer. His assistant, Mike Phelan, was given one earlier this month and talks have been continuing with coaches Michael Carrick and Kieran McKenna.
Any decision to remove Solskjaer would only be taken after a lot of thought and not as a knee-jerk reaction.
That said, the sheer magnitude of the Liverpool defeat demands serious questions being asked of Solskjaer and his staff, and especially because United have now taken one point from their last four games - and have three difficult games against Tottenham away, Manchester City and Chelsea, plus Watford, to play in their next four.
Solskjaer described the loss as his darkest day as United manager, but vowed to carry on despite the extra pressure the result puts on him. The club is seventh in the Premier League with 14 points from nine games - already eight points behind leaders Chelsea.
Executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward talks to the Glazer family almost every day. Managing director Richard Arnold, expected to replace Woodward when he leaves at the end of this year, also has regular communication with the club's owners.
It is inconceivable the manager's on-going future has not been part of those daily discussions. Whether that means this humiliating result means they are going to sack him is another matter entirely.
What do the players think?
BBC Sport understands an increasing number of players are starting to lose faith in Solskjaer. They don't trust his tactics and feel he is out of his depth compared to managers at the bigger clubs, namely Pep Guardiola, Jurgen Klopp and Thomas Tuchel.
This could be viewed as players trying to absolve themselves from responsibility over a collective mess. However, numerous former professionals have also condemned Solskjaer for the way his team performed against Liverpool, for both their individual and half-hearted approach to pressing Klopp's side and inability to track runners.
After the victory against Atalanta on Wednesday - when they were 2-0 down at half time - former United midfielder Paul Scholes said he feared for what would happen against Liverpool if his old club played in a similar way.
They did, with exactly the same starting line-up, and the outcome was embarrassing.
Players in a team coached by Guardiola, Klopp or Tuchel would not get away with the lack of energy or discipline shown by United against Liverpool or last week at Leicester City, the narrative goes.
One visible difference between the coaches is their relative presence in the technical area. While the Spaniard and the two Germans are an almost constant presence in the technical area - with other coaches rarely offering instruction - United tend to rotate their coaches to impart advice.
That said, it was noticeable that Solskjaer - who doesn't take training sessions - was more visible against Liverpool than is usually the case.
What is beyond doubt is that whatever tactics and patterns of play Solskjaer wants his team to use, his players have been unwilling or unable to carry them out - with the Liverpool thrashing the culmination of a season of modest United performances.
What are the options?
Clearly, the easiest decision would be to leave Solskjaer where he is. Many fans feel that is unacceptable but United stuck by Moyes, Louis van Gaal and Mourinho long after many thought they should have been dispensed with.
However, the scale of the Liverpool defeat encourage United's hierarchy to act more decisively.
That would however create another obvious problem for them to solve. When Moyes and Mourinho left in mid-season, United turned to a celebrated old boy to steady the ship, first Ryan Giggs - who was part of the coaching team already - and then Solskjaer, who was called in from Norway, where he was in charge of Molde.
The idea of replacing Solskjaer with a United legend as an interim - even if one could be found who was willing to take over from, potentially, a popular former team-mate - does not seem to fit.
There are two high-profile potential candidates out of work in former Chelsea boss Antonio Conte and ex-Real Madrid manager Zinedine Zidane.
Conte would seem at odds with United's long-term approach, even if his Serie A title success in Italy last season with Inter Milan proves he retains an ability to win major prizes to go along with his feisty personality.
Zidane won every honour in the game at Real, but there is uncertainty over the amount of hands-on coaching he did, and that may not suit United. He also has no experience of the Premier League and does not speak English - although Leeds' Marcelo Bielsa has proved that is not a barrier to success.
Beyond that, Ajax's Eric ten Hag refused to leave mid-season when the vacancy at Bayern Munich arose in 2019, while it is not known how seriously United would consider another manager in the ascendancy in Leicester City's Brendan Rodgers given his Liverpool connection.
It may be that a lack of an attractive available replacement may count in favour of Solskjaer being given time to make up for the debacle against Liverpool.
Via : https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/58990549
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The best outcome for United this season is surely 4th place. They have one of their better squads in a while — but Chelsea, City, and Liverpool look in a class of their own this season, and the title will go to one of these three teams.
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Good joke
PL has evolved since the late 90's. Pressing, aggression, energy is the key to win the PL. Fergies teams were top at that time. The same team playing right now wouldn't win the league up against LFC, City and Chelsea.
Ole might be football manager on the PC but if Utd fans think another manager will suddenly win them the league this or next season, they are clueless of the sport.
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Oli has apparently lost the dressing room with his indifferent tactics. His dismissal could come as soon as Tuesday, if not around the November international break if results don't improve.
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The United squad is as good as any in the premiership. Difference is the likes of city Liverpool Chelsea have top managers.
Look what Tuchel did with Chelsea in a matter of months, from 10th in the league to finish in the top 4 and off course winning the champions league.
I'm confident if conte comes we will be very competitive in all the competitions .
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Tuchel and Chelsea is a very fair point. I agree Utd does have the team to play counter attack but do they have the defence to do it. McGuire and Shaw were shocking. Im not convinced with Chelsea's style of play leading them to PL win, its yet to happen. Sure they won the CL, it was a great effort but 38 matches in such a fashion wont be easy to win the PL.
The problem is Utd have never played in such a fashion, the fans will not like it if there are not many goals. But Ole must go all out defence , don't worry about scoring for now because the leak at the back is becoming a flood now.
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Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is fighting to save his job as Manchester United manager and the 48-year-old Norwegian had already lost the faith of a number of his squad, even before Sunday's 5-0 defeat against Liverpool. (ESPN)
Manchester United's hierarchy are giving serious consideration to dismissing Solskjaer before their next game at Tottenham on Saturday. (Manchester Evening News)
Manchester United's hierarchy are giving serious consideration to dismissing Solskjaer before their next game at Tottenham on Saturday. (Manchester Evening News)
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Ole Gunnar Solskjaer debate: Jamie Carragher says Man Utd need a 'better manager'
Jamie Carragher says Manchester United need a better manager than Ole Gunnar Solskjaer in order to challenge Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea.
United suffered one of their worst defeats in recent memory as rivals Liverpool piled pressure on manager Solskjaer with a 5-0 thrashing at Old Trafford.
Although he was quick to point out Solskjaer has done a good job as United manager up until now, Carragher feels there is simply no chance of him competing with Jurgen Klopp, Pep Guardiola and Thomas Tuchel when it comes to winning major trophies.
"I think Ole has done a good job but to take on Klopp, Tuchel and Pep, Manchester United need a better manager," he said.
"I wasn't saying that on Monday in a disrespectful way, I feel for Ole - that will be the darkest day in his career. I don't want to get involved in a slanging match, I know Ole said something back and rightly so. I'm not comfortable saying someone should be sacked - but we are comfortable saying Fred is not good enough or Scott McTominay is not good enough so I do not feel too bad saying Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is not good enough.
"Manchester United need a better manager. Ole is not a manager for Manchester United. He's done really well but you need someone to take them to the next level. Unfortunately, Solskjaer is not Jurgen Klopp, Pep Guardiola or Thomas Tuchel. It's staring you in the face."
He added: "Manchester United should have the best in class - the best managers and coaches in the world. If you have Ole as the manager you should have someone like Carlos Queiroz as the assistant coach. You cannot have people learning on the job who have never been at the club of that size. They have got Mike Phelan but I do not think he's a coach, there's Michael Carrick and Kieren McKenna, they have never coached anyone in their lives.
"You have got to have someone who has been there and done it. You cannot be learning on the job at Manchester United."
https://www.skysports.com/football/...-carragher-says-man-utd-need-a-better-manager
Jamie Carragher says Manchester United need a better manager than Ole Gunnar Solskjaer in order to challenge Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea.
United suffered one of their worst defeats in recent memory as rivals Liverpool piled pressure on manager Solskjaer with a 5-0 thrashing at Old Trafford.
Although he was quick to point out Solskjaer has done a good job as United manager up until now, Carragher feels there is simply no chance of him competing with Jurgen Klopp, Pep Guardiola and Thomas Tuchel when it comes to winning major trophies.
"I think Ole has done a good job but to take on Klopp, Tuchel and Pep, Manchester United need a better manager," he said.
"I wasn't saying that on Monday in a disrespectful way, I feel for Ole - that will be the darkest day in his career. I don't want to get involved in a slanging match, I know Ole said something back and rightly so. I'm not comfortable saying someone should be sacked - but we are comfortable saying Fred is not good enough or Scott McTominay is not good enough so I do not feel too bad saying Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is not good enough.
"Manchester United need a better manager. Ole is not a manager for Manchester United. He's done really well but you need someone to take them to the next level. Unfortunately, Solskjaer is not Jurgen Klopp, Pep Guardiola or Thomas Tuchel. It's staring you in the face."
He added: "Manchester United should have the best in class - the best managers and coaches in the world. If you have Ole as the manager you should have someone like Carlos Queiroz as the assistant coach. You cannot have people learning on the job who have never been at the club of that size. They have got Mike Phelan but I do not think he's a coach, there's Michael Carrick and Kieren McKenna, they have never coached anyone in their lives.
"You have got to have someone who has been there and done it. You cannot be learning on the job at Manchester United."
https://www.skysports.com/football/...-carragher-says-man-utd-need-a-better-manager
If you put the 99 United team or any other great team from the past and give them access to modern medicine, training methods, etc, they would compete perfectly fine against the modern teams.
Nobody is saying United will win the league. It's about challenging for honours which under Ole, we were never doing. And United aren't that far off. They have their best team in a decade and a great manager like Conte or Zidane can at least make us competitive.
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Possibly, I agree but reality is as time passes, footballers & the game evolves to a higher level. Of course there will some tipping point. My point was this LFC side is incredible, along with City. They can destroy any team on their day, PSG, Inter etc. 5-0 at home to LFC looks a horror but it can happen when playing such a team.
I think you have to aim for the title after spending so much. LFC have 1/5 of the net spend of Utd. It will take a few more years with a new manager. But you need a new manager who plays the Utd way. Utd playing counter attack is not the tradition of the club in general. The new manager must adopt a similar style of play to City and LFC, get rid of those who lack energy. The only one you can carry is Ronaldo because he knows how to score as well as Salah if he gets the service.
Conte is too negative, the reason why Chelsea sacked him even after winning the title. Tuchel is not negative, he counter attacks hard but winning the CL helped him to retain the job for a full season.
Zidane has a genius football brain. He can also attract any player to his club. Lack of PL experience will be a problem along with his weak English but I'd get him in asap. No other real great option available atm.
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Ole Gunnar Solskjaer expected to stay at Man Utd despite 5-0 Liverpool defeat
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is expected to remain in charge of Manchester United despite the heavy defeat to Liverpool and the fact a small number of players have reservations about their manager.
The feeling within the club is that while the result was bitterly disappointing and painful for everyone, the immediate focus is on improving after picking up one point from their last four Premier League games.
United's next two Premier League matches are against Tottenham and Manchester City, both live on Sky Sports, and they also face Atalanta in the Champions League next week.
But despite their poor results and huge external speculation, there is no suggestion from inside the club that Solskjaer's job is under threat at this point.
Solskjaer oversaw training on Tuesday, with the team not in action again until Saturday, having already exited the Carabao Cup in a surprise defeat against West Ham last month. Sir Alex Ferguson was in attendance at Carrington, but it is understood that the former United boss was not there to speak to Solskjaer or the squad.
The majority - if not all - of the United squad like Solskjaer as a man, and believe he has done some great things at the club, but there are a small number with reservations.
All the players are desperate for Solskjaer to succeed given his legendary status at the club, but some are doubting if he can deliver that success.
Sky Sports News has learnt some players are unsure about the coaching methods with not enough emphasis on pressing and small-sided games.
Meanwhile, Sky in Italy is reporting that former Chelsea manager Antonio Conte has been in contact with United about taking over, should they decide to make a change.
However, Sky Sports News understands that there has been no contact between the parties.
United are one of the few jobs Conte would be interested in if the managerial role were ever to become available. The Italian only takes roles at clubs that are set up to match his ambitions, and that would be the case at United.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...-stay-at-man-utd-despite-5-0-liverpool-defeat
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is expected to remain in charge of Manchester United despite the heavy defeat to Liverpool and the fact a small number of players have reservations about their manager.
The feeling within the club is that while the result was bitterly disappointing and painful for everyone, the immediate focus is on improving after picking up one point from their last four Premier League games.
United's next two Premier League matches are against Tottenham and Manchester City, both live on Sky Sports, and they also face Atalanta in the Champions League next week.
But despite their poor results and huge external speculation, there is no suggestion from inside the club that Solskjaer's job is under threat at this point.
Solskjaer oversaw training on Tuesday, with the team not in action again until Saturday, having already exited the Carabao Cup in a surprise defeat against West Ham last month. Sir Alex Ferguson was in attendance at Carrington, but it is understood that the former United boss was not there to speak to Solskjaer or the squad.
The majority - if not all - of the United squad like Solskjaer as a man, and believe he has done some great things at the club, but there are a small number with reservations.
All the players are desperate for Solskjaer to succeed given his legendary status at the club, but some are doubting if he can deliver that success.
Sky Sports News has learnt some players are unsure about the coaching methods with not enough emphasis on pressing and small-sided games.
Meanwhile, Sky in Italy is reporting that former Chelsea manager Antonio Conte has been in contact with United about taking over, should they decide to make a change.
However, Sky Sports News understands that there has been no contact between the parties.
United are one of the few jobs Conte would be interested in if the managerial role were ever to become available. The Italian only takes roles at clubs that are set up to match his ambitions, and that would be the case at United.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...-stay-at-man-utd-despite-5-0-liverpool-defeat
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Manchester United are leading 2-nil at Spurs this evening, if they get these three points, it should definitely buy Solskjaer some time to turn around this season.
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Manchester United are 3-nil up now and the new Spurs stadium has virtually emptied.
Desperate result for Solskjaer this.
Desperate result for Solskjaer this.
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A solid performance and result for United, and a good comeback. But beyond giving Ole a bit more time, it doesn’t prove much in my opinion because Spurs are looking really bad.
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Ole Gunnar Solskjaer highlights tactical masterstroke as Man Utd return to winning ways at Tottenham
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer saluted a tactical masterstroke five days in the making after Manchester United produced the perfect response to their thrashing against Liverpool with a resounding win at Tottenham.
Solskjaer's United travelled to north London knowing nothing other than a victory would do after Sunday's humiliating 5-0 defeat against their arch-rivals at Old Trafford, and his players rose emphatically to the challenge.
The Norwegian accommodated the returning Raphael Varane by switching to a 3-4-3 formation at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium and started Cristiano Ronaldo alongside Edinson Cavani in attack, tactical selections which stifled Spurs and ultimately won United the game.
Ronaldo volleyed United into a first-half lead and set up Cavani for a second midway through the second half before substitute Marcus Rashford put the seal on a crucial 3-0 victory during which Spurs failed to register a shot on target.
Speaking after the game, the United boss revealed the decision to switch systems was borne out of a team meeting in the immediate aftermath of the defeat to Liverpool and outlined exactly where it worked.
"The performance was really good from the start, it was really good from Tuesday morning, when we worked on something that we felt and hoped and thought was going to work, and it did," Solskjaer said.
"Every man to a tee did their jobs and we kept a clean sheet and kept the ball away from David [de Gea], he didn't have a save to make.
"There is many things behind the tactics we used. One was solidity, we managed to get Raphael [Varane] slap bang in the middle of the back four because we needed a clean sheet.
"We needed to control the game with the ball and we did. We got Edinson and Cristiano to play together as a front two, and we got width from the wing-backs.
"If you change to a back three and you don't get a result you are going to be scrutinised, but we felt it worked and the coaches have done a very good job to put that in place."
https://www.skysports.com/football/...s-man-utd-return-to-winning-ways-at-tottenham
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer saluted a tactical masterstroke five days in the making after Manchester United produced the perfect response to their thrashing against Liverpool with a resounding win at Tottenham.
Solskjaer's United travelled to north London knowing nothing other than a victory would do after Sunday's humiliating 5-0 defeat against their arch-rivals at Old Trafford, and his players rose emphatically to the challenge.
The Norwegian accommodated the returning Raphael Varane by switching to a 3-4-3 formation at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium and started Cristiano Ronaldo alongside Edinson Cavani in attack, tactical selections which stifled Spurs and ultimately won United the game.
Ronaldo volleyed United into a first-half lead and set up Cavani for a second midway through the second half before substitute Marcus Rashford put the seal on a crucial 3-0 victory during which Spurs failed to register a shot on target.
Speaking after the game, the United boss revealed the decision to switch systems was borne out of a team meeting in the immediate aftermath of the defeat to Liverpool and outlined exactly where it worked.
"The performance was really good from the start, it was really good from Tuesday morning, when we worked on something that we felt and hoped and thought was going to work, and it did," Solskjaer said.
"Every man to a tee did their jobs and we kept a clean sheet and kept the ball away from David [de Gea], he didn't have a save to make.
"There is many things behind the tactics we used. One was solidity, we managed to get Raphael [Varane] slap bang in the middle of the back four because we needed a clean sheet.
"We needed to control the game with the ball and we did. We got Edinson and Cristiano to play together as a front two, and we got width from the wing-backs.
"If you change to a back three and you don't get a result you are going to be scrutinised, but we felt it worked and the coaches have done a very good job to put that in place."
https://www.skysports.com/football/...s-man-utd-return-to-winning-ways-at-tottenham
Tottenham sack Nuno. That is another club with more ambition than us. And the worst thing is that they want Conte, who wants to come to United. We will miss out on Conte because we want to stick with Ole the fraud. Bloody disgrace.
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Unfortunately it is incompetence from the top. Someone like Levy is ruthless although he probably never should have got Nuno in, in the first place. Woodward and the owners have no plan whatsoever. Ole should have been sacked the morning after the embarrassing defeat to the scousers.
Ole is a club legend and he has got his mates like Gary Neville in the media. Plus he still has a lot of backing from Sir Alex, who is still a part of the club. Unfortunately, Ole won't be getting the sack anytime soon. When he gets the sack eventually, there won't be any top manager available and the glazers are never gonna go to another club for their manager, as that would cost money. So next manager will be some other ex united player who is an incompetent manager but he has that United DNA nonsense.
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That was men v boys today. Embarrassingly comfortable for City throughout. The Utd defence was absolutely atrocious, particularly Luke Shaw who had a complete shocker. Very little going forward from Utd as well. De Gea prevented it becoming a cricket score. They need to replace Ole during the international break.
with who? there's no top manager available now.
With who? Lol. Ever heard of Zidane. Besides even if Zidane doesn't want to come, Man United are a big club. They should be able to go to Ajax, PSG or Leicester and demand for Ten Hag, Pochetino & Rogers. I admit that Ten Hag. Pochetino & Rogers might not be top managers, but they are potentially top managers.
And besides, any manager will do a better job than Ole the fraud. He is league 1 manager at best. The guy won't get a job in the championship. That is how bad he is. Stop defending him.
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It is 'almost impossible' that former Real Madrid coach Zinedine Zidane would take over as manager of Manchester United if the Old Trafford side dismiss Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. (AS)
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Manchester United's derby defeat by City on Saturday brought more calls for the dismissal of manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.
The nature of the 2-0 loss against Pep Guardiola's men, coming less than a fortnight after the record 5-0 home humiliation by Liverpool, has led many - including fans who have previously backed Solskjaer - to conclude the Norwegian has taken United as far as he can.
Yet, despite the comprehensive defeats against their biggest rivals, and a run of form that has seen them collect just four points from their last six Premier League games, there is still no indication from Old Trafford that a change is going to take place.
It would be brave to state definitively that Solskjaer was safe given international breaks are notoriously a time when clubs get rid of managers - Aston Villa, Norwich and Middlesbrough have already done so since their weekend games finished.
But, to the incredulity and bewilderment of many observers, he could well survive.
Former United skipper Gary Neville has made the point that United's troubles have arrived quickly.
This is correct. Although they had dropped points at Southampton, when Cristiano Ronaldo scored twice in his first game since a much-publicised return to the club against Newcastle on 11 September, Old Trafford seemed a happy place on and off the pitch.
Since then, United have won four out of 12 games. Of those successes, the Premier League victory at West Ham was only secured after Mark Noble missed an injury-time penalty.
In the Champions League, Villarreal were the better side at Old Trafford and Atalanta led 2-0. Both were defeated by late Cristiano Ronaldo goals. The Portuguese was also responsible for the late equaliser against Atalanta in Italy that kept United top of their Champions League group with two games remaining.
The dip in form has been sudden and extreme.
United gave Solskjaer a new three-year contract in the summer after a second-place finish and a run to the Europa League final. They followed that up by securing assistant manager Mike Phelan on a similar deal, while talks continue with coaches Michael Carrick and Kieran McKenna about contract extensions.
The club's hierarchy wanted Solskjaer to execute a long-term plan and felt he was the best person for that job because he knows and understands the club.
It may be towards the extreme end of the scale, but since the retirement of Sir Alex Ferguson in 2013 - before which the dismissal of a manager hadn't been considered for two decades - United have tried to keep faith with managers during tough periods.
They also understand the club's worldwide status means the reaction to these difficult times will be intense.
Evidently, sacking a manager is not that hard. Getting the right replacement is the tough bit.
Given he was out of work when United lost to Liverpool and accepted an offer to return from Tottenham, it is clear Antonio Conte could have been hired if there had been a will to do so.
But United do not want a short-term, quick-fix manager.
They want someone who can build a squad and work with them, mixing, in the club's own words 'world-class recruits' with 'academy graduates'.
The most obvious managers who fit that template are Mauricio Pochettino, Brendan Rodgers and Erik ten Hag.
Pochettino had his contract extended by Paris St-Germain in July. That was seen as a way of warding off interest from Tottenham and getting the Argentine now would appear massively problematic.
Rodgers has turned down jobs since he has been at Leicester, but did join the Foxes from Celtic in mid-season. However, his status as a former Liverpool manager is an issue for some United fans and it has been noted Leicester's form has dipped this season.
A former coach at Bayern Munich, Ten Hag declined to leave Ajax to return to Munich part way through a campaign when Hansi Flick got the job in 2019. It would not seem Ten Hag would be the easiest immediate appointment either for United.
What is the aim?
In the aftermath of United's defeat to City, the potential 11-point gap to leaders Chelsea was being pointed out. As it turned out, the surprise loss of two points against Burnley means Thomas Tuchel's men now have a nine-point lead on United after 11 games.
Yet, while winning the Premier League for the first time since 2013 was an aspiration, the key target this season - as with all the big clubs - is a top-four finish and qualification for next season's Champions League.
Evidently, the levels required to attain that are not as high. Of United's current challengers for a top-four spot, West Ham have lost at home to Brentford already this season, Arsenal recently drew at home with Crystal Palace, United beat Tottenham and Everton lost their third game in a row at Wolves on 1 November.
Even with their current problems, United should feel reasonably confident about winning that particular battle and securing Champions League football for the third season in a row for the first time since Ferguson's exit.
Executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward has been responsible for finalising the key decisions at United for over eight years now.
However, in the aftermath of the Super League debacle, it was confirmed he would leave the club by the end of the year.
It is not certain whether that timescale will be met, nor whether Woodward - a close ally of the Glazer family going back to before their controversial takeover in 2005 - may remain in an advisory capacity.
There are competing claims of many others. They include former United keeper Edwin van der Sar, who has drawn positive comments for his work as chief executive of Ajax and was one of the key figures that kept the influential European Clubs' Association on track in the wake of the mass resignations by the Super League clubs.
But it seems certain managing director Richard Arnold will take Woodward's senior role.
That doesn't appear to signal a change in direction for the club - nor that the post-Ferguson template is about to be ripped up.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/59197795
The nature of the 2-0 loss against Pep Guardiola's men, coming less than a fortnight after the record 5-0 home humiliation by Liverpool, has led many - including fans who have previously backed Solskjaer - to conclude the Norwegian has taken United as far as he can.
Yet, despite the comprehensive defeats against their biggest rivals, and a run of form that has seen them collect just four points from their last six Premier League games, there is still no indication from Old Trafford that a change is going to take place.
It would be brave to state definitively that Solskjaer was safe given international breaks are notoriously a time when clubs get rid of managers - Aston Villa, Norwich and Middlesbrough have already done so since their weekend games finished.
But, to the incredulity and bewilderment of many observers, he could well survive.
Former United skipper Gary Neville has made the point that United's troubles have arrived quickly.
This is correct. Although they had dropped points at Southampton, when Cristiano Ronaldo scored twice in his first game since a much-publicised return to the club against Newcastle on 11 September, Old Trafford seemed a happy place on and off the pitch.
Since then, United have won four out of 12 games. Of those successes, the Premier League victory at West Ham was only secured after Mark Noble missed an injury-time penalty.
In the Champions League, Villarreal were the better side at Old Trafford and Atalanta led 2-0. Both were defeated by late Cristiano Ronaldo goals. The Portuguese was also responsible for the late equaliser against Atalanta in Italy that kept United top of their Champions League group with two games remaining.
The dip in form has been sudden and extreme.
United gave Solskjaer a new three-year contract in the summer after a second-place finish and a run to the Europa League final. They followed that up by securing assistant manager Mike Phelan on a similar deal, while talks continue with coaches Michael Carrick and Kieran McKenna about contract extensions.
The club's hierarchy wanted Solskjaer to execute a long-term plan and felt he was the best person for that job because he knows and understands the club.
It may be towards the extreme end of the scale, but since the retirement of Sir Alex Ferguson in 2013 - before which the dismissal of a manager hadn't been considered for two decades - United have tried to keep faith with managers during tough periods.
They also understand the club's worldwide status means the reaction to these difficult times will be intense.
Evidently, sacking a manager is not that hard. Getting the right replacement is the tough bit.
Given he was out of work when United lost to Liverpool and accepted an offer to return from Tottenham, it is clear Antonio Conte could have been hired if there had been a will to do so.
But United do not want a short-term, quick-fix manager.
They want someone who can build a squad and work with them, mixing, in the club's own words 'world-class recruits' with 'academy graduates'.
The most obvious managers who fit that template are Mauricio Pochettino, Brendan Rodgers and Erik ten Hag.
Pochettino had his contract extended by Paris St-Germain in July. That was seen as a way of warding off interest from Tottenham and getting the Argentine now would appear massively problematic.
Rodgers has turned down jobs since he has been at Leicester, but did join the Foxes from Celtic in mid-season. However, his status as a former Liverpool manager is an issue for some United fans and it has been noted Leicester's form has dipped this season.
A former coach at Bayern Munich, Ten Hag declined to leave Ajax to return to Munich part way through a campaign when Hansi Flick got the job in 2019. It would not seem Ten Hag would be the easiest immediate appointment either for United.
What is the aim?
In the aftermath of United's defeat to City, the potential 11-point gap to leaders Chelsea was being pointed out. As it turned out, the surprise loss of two points against Burnley means Thomas Tuchel's men now have a nine-point lead on United after 11 games.
Yet, while winning the Premier League for the first time since 2013 was an aspiration, the key target this season - as with all the big clubs - is a top-four finish and qualification for next season's Champions League.
Evidently, the levels required to attain that are not as high. Of United's current challengers for a top-four spot, West Ham have lost at home to Brentford already this season, Arsenal recently drew at home with Crystal Palace, United beat Tottenham and Everton lost their third game in a row at Wolves on 1 November.
Even with their current problems, United should feel reasonably confident about winning that particular battle and securing Champions League football for the third season in a row for the first time since Ferguson's exit.
Executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward has been responsible for finalising the key decisions at United for over eight years now.
However, in the aftermath of the Super League debacle, it was confirmed he would leave the club by the end of the year.
It is not certain whether that timescale will be met, nor whether Woodward - a close ally of the Glazer family going back to before their controversial takeover in 2005 - may remain in an advisory capacity.
There are competing claims of many others. They include former United keeper Edwin van der Sar, who has drawn positive comments for his work as chief executive of Ajax and was one of the key figures that kept the influential European Clubs' Association on track in the wake of the mass resignations by the Super League clubs.
But it seems certain managing director Richard Arnold will take Woodward's senior role.
That doesn't appear to signal a change in direction for the club - nor that the post-Ferguson template is about to be ripped up.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/59197795
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replace him with who?
People get emotional and want new managers every season, those asking for his sacking would be the first ones to call for the sacking of any new manager now.
MU just have an terribly unbalanced squad, you cant play Pogba without 2 MFs doing his defending, you cant play Ronaldo without 2 attackers doing the pressing, then you have Bruno, who also needs 2 MFs behind him to function, now you have Rashford back, him, ronaldo and greenward just want to play in the same area. The defence is getting terribly exposed - no manager is going to fix this without dropping the big names.
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But surely Ole takes the blame for the imbalanced squad?
He's had three or four transfer windows to address this.
I can give a new manager allowance for inheriting an imbalanced squad but Ole's had plenty of time now to change this
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he was working towards a project but with the signing of Ronaldo it went out the window, he didnt fit his plans.
There was nothing wrong with getting Ronaldo but you must build the team around him, wereas right now its still built around bruno. while not abandoning the project he was working on for 2 years
Ole got Ronaldo but he has been stubborn in changing the system
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Manchester United have started their succession planning to replace manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, with Leicester City's Brendan Rodgers their preferred candidate. (Manchester Evening News)
Former Real Madrid coach Zinedine Zidane has responded to an approach from Manchester United by saying he will be available at the end of the season. (Bild, via Express)
Former Real Madrid coach Zinedine Zidane has responded to an approach from Manchester United by saying he will be available at the end of the season. (Bild, via Express)
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Rogers or Zidane would be much better options, if I had to pick between the two, I’d want Zidane, however it wont be easy to get him. Wonder who United fans prefer, Ole still enjoys some support to
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As a season ticket holder for many years now, if I had to pick between the two I would choose Zidane. Rodgers failed at Liverpool. Zidane is an out and out winner, although I don't think he will come to United. From what I am hearing, he could be waiting for Deschamps to leave the France role after the WC next year and take over as manager there.
However, I would take almost anyone over Ole. He is completely out of his depth and probably would be best advised to stick to managing in Norway. To be fair to him though, he isn't the biggest problem at the club - the board along with the owners are the biggest cancer there.
Going back to Ole, here's a question for football fans - Would any other club in the Premier League take Ole as their manager? The answer in my mind would be a resounding no, but I'd be interested to hear.
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If he had stayed after relegation, they would probably have dropped into League One.
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To be an out and out winner you need to win with at least 2/3 other teams or succeed like Sir alex did by building 3 different MU teams, Zidane went through a fluke in a small period with RM, his second coming ended in disaster, he is also tactically poor, however his man management is excellent, but he will have problems with terrible english, youd rather keep ole then get zidane.
Rodgers failed at LP but would've succeeded had he been given more time, despite the poor start to the season hes done wonders at Leicester
As for Ole, there will be numerous teams that will need ole for a rebuilding job, what he has built at MU since Mourinho destroyed the club is exactly something that Arsenal need.
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Yeah that really should be it for him.
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Hahah where is [MENTION=130076]PetroDollars[/MENTION] these days? Was making a lot of noise .. “we will challenge for the title”. LOL
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Another catastrophic result. He should surely keep what remains of his honour and voluntarily resign in time for tomorrow’s breakfast news cycle.
He was loved as a player and seen as one of their own, but the job was too big for him.
He has managed to scrape a result whenever it was last chance saloon, but that Watford result should be that.
The interesting thing will be, who will they now bring in - Conte has gone to Spurs.
He has managed to scrape a result whenever it was last chance saloon, but that Watford result should be that.
The interesting thing will be, who will they now bring in - Conte has gone to Spurs.
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Fluke period or not, Zidane is on a different level to Ole. No comparison whatsoever. Would Zidane be my first choice - no, but there aren't many managers available at this point.
Numerous teams would want Ole? That has got to be an early April Fool's joke.
Manchester United have called an emergency board meeting to discuss Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s dismissal as manager in the wake of the club’s debilitating 4-1 loss at relegation-threatened Watford. The Sunday Times understands the virtual meeting has been scheduled for 7pm with Solskjaer’s compensation terms on its agenda.
Solskjaer, 48, has now won just four games in 13 and the collapse in form has been dramatic with the defeat at Vicarage Road following back-to-back home defeats to bitter rivals Manchester City and Liverpool.
Solskjaer, 48, has now won just four games in 13 and the collapse in form has been dramatic with the defeat at Vicarage Road following back-to-back home defeats to bitter rivals Manchester City and Liverpool.
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He will be sacked
Well it was fun while it lasted
Well it was fun while it lasted
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Oli will be sacked, but the players have to take responsibility for absolute shambolic performances this season.
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Glazers like they care lol
The players can only do so much. They look lost, because Ole's tactics are crap.
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Oli has finally gone! Good riddance. For united to succeed the likes of maguire, mctominy, Fred, Avb, need to be moved on.
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Manchester United decide to part company with manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
Manchester United have decided to part company with manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.
The Athletic understands that after talks on Saturday evening, hours after United suffered a 4-1 defeat at Watford, the Glazer family decided that the club would begin negotiating the precise terms of Solskjaer’s departure.
The club are determined to ensure Solskjaer receives a respectful parting, with a formal announcement expected in due course.
It is possible that Darren Fletcher will be placed in charge on an interim basis. He could be assisted by Michael Carrick, whose position at the club remains intact as of Saturday night, with sources suggesting the pair would be part of a structure to tide United over if no immediate solution is found.
United’s defeat on Saturday was the fifth in their last seven Premier League games and sees the side drop to seventh in the table, on 17 points.
After the match Solskjaer held his hands up to the club’s travelling fans before acknowledging that he felt “low” but still believed he could “turn this around”.
David de Gea meanwhile described the result as “embarrassing”. “It’s been very bad for a long time. For a club like Manchester United, we have to fight for trophies and for big things. We are far from that,” he added.
Josh King and Ismaila Sarr gave Watford a commanding first-half lead in the game at Vicarage Road, only for half-time substitute Donny van de Beek to pull one back. But United continued to struggle, with Harry Maguire sent off for a second bookable offence and Joao Pedro and Emmanuel Dennis making sure of the win in injury time.
Solskjaer was initially appointed interim manager when Jose Mourinho was sacked in December 2018. In March 2019 the Norwegian then signed a three-year deal to be the permanent manager of the club he scored 126 goals during his celebrated playing career.
Following a second-place Premier League finish in the 2020-21 season, Solskajer was rewarded with a new three-year contract in July.
But defeat by Watford has cost Solskjaer his job, with Manchester United now searching for their fifth permanent manager since the departure of Sir Alex Ferguson in 2013.
Source: The Athletic
Manchester United have decided to part company with manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.
The Athletic understands that after talks on Saturday evening, hours after United suffered a 4-1 defeat at Watford, the Glazer family decided that the club would begin negotiating the precise terms of Solskjaer’s departure.
The club are determined to ensure Solskjaer receives a respectful parting, with a formal announcement expected in due course.
It is possible that Darren Fletcher will be placed in charge on an interim basis. He could be assisted by Michael Carrick, whose position at the club remains intact as of Saturday night, with sources suggesting the pair would be part of a structure to tide United over if no immediate solution is found.
United’s defeat on Saturday was the fifth in their last seven Premier League games and sees the side drop to seventh in the table, on 17 points.
After the match Solskjaer held his hands up to the club’s travelling fans before acknowledging that he felt “low” but still believed he could “turn this around”.
David de Gea meanwhile described the result as “embarrassing”. “It’s been very bad for a long time. For a club like Manchester United, we have to fight for trophies and for big things. We are far from that,” he added.
Josh King and Ismaila Sarr gave Watford a commanding first-half lead in the game at Vicarage Road, only for half-time substitute Donny van de Beek to pull one back. But United continued to struggle, with Harry Maguire sent off for a second bookable offence and Joao Pedro and Emmanuel Dennis making sure of the win in injury time.
Solskjaer was initially appointed interim manager when Jose Mourinho was sacked in December 2018. In March 2019 the Norwegian then signed a three-year deal to be the permanent manager of the club he scored 126 goals during his celebrated playing career.
Following a second-place Premier League finish in the 2020-21 season, Solskajer was rewarded with a new three-year contract in July.
But defeat by Watford has cost Solskjaer his job, with Manchester United now searching for their fifth permanent manager since the departure of Sir Alex Ferguson in 2013.
Source: The Athletic
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Congratulations
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Told you a billion times - Ole is a nothing manager and he cannot win the league for United. Oh, and Arteta outlasted him and he will go on to prove himself to be a far superior manager.
It is remarkable how you are completely wrong every single time.
Congratulations
) ) Told you a billion times - Ole is a nothing manager and he cannot win the league for United. Oh, and Arteta outlasted him and he will go on to prove himself to be a far superior manager.
It is remarkable how you are completely wrong every single time.
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Heard from a die hard united fan Fletcher and phelan will take charge for the villareal game, then to appoint zidanne by the weekend
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Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's future as Manchester United manager is still undecided after an emergency meeting between club officials following the 4-1 defeat at Watford.
The United hierarchy discussed Solskjaer's position on Saturday evening after a fifth defeat in seven Premier League games left Solskjaer's side 12 points behind leaders Chelsea.
Solskjaer was booed by a number of the United fans in the away end at Vicarage Road as he approached them at full-time, although midfielder Bruno Fernandes appeared to try to redirect their frustration towards the players.
Asked what this result meant for his future, Solskjaer told Sky Sports: "I am working for and with the club. Of course we have good communication and if the club are thinking of doing something that is a conversation between us."
The United board have so far ignored increasingly vociferous calls to relieve Solskjaer of his duties in the wake of a humiliating 5-0 loss to rivals Liverpool and a 2-0 derby defeat to Manchester City in early November.
Solskjaer, who has been in charge since December 2018, signed a three-year contract extension in July and it will cost United a reported £7.5m if they sack him.
The manager said: "I always have belief in myself, but at the moment it's a difficult time for us. I can trust every single one out there to give what they have, but the results are difficult.
"I believe we can turn this round.
"I understand the fans, who have supported the club through thick and thin, and have been great over the last few years. It's a difficult period, we have had a hard time since Sir Alex left, and the fans who have been here - since I came in - have been unbelievable.
"They understood the situation, the signings this summer raised expectations, rightly so, because we brought some top players in and having been second last year, we hoped to kick on."
Former Liverpool defender Jamie Carragher says he is sure Manchester United will be looking for a new manager soon, but called some of the players' displays this season "scandalous".
"It's getting to the stage where it becomes untenable," he said.
"We all know sooner or later that Manchester United will have a new manager, but when it gets to this stage now you actually look at Ole as an individual and human being and think it's not good for him to be the Manchester United manager right now.
"I've not been a manager, but if you've got a crop of those players - and I don't care what anyone tells me, Manchester United have got quality players - you can't lose to Watford 4-1. You can't.
"No matter how the manager has set you up, whether he has a presence in the dressing room, whether the players respect him or not, who knows? However he sets them up, those players... some of the performances they've given this season are an absolute disgrace. That is one of the most expensive squads in world football. One of the highest-paid squads in world football.
"And Watford are pretty awful, I've watched a lot of them this season, to lose there 4-1 is absolutely disgusting and disgraceful from some of those players. The manager will go, we know that, that story will move on pretty quickly.
"But some of those players' performances this season have been absolutely scandalous."
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The United hierarchy discussed Solskjaer's position on Saturday evening after a fifth defeat in seven Premier League games left Solskjaer's side 12 points behind leaders Chelsea.
Solskjaer was booed by a number of the United fans in the away end at Vicarage Road as he approached them at full-time, although midfielder Bruno Fernandes appeared to try to redirect their frustration towards the players.
Asked what this result meant for his future, Solskjaer told Sky Sports: "I am working for and with the club. Of course we have good communication and if the club are thinking of doing something that is a conversation between us."
The United board have so far ignored increasingly vociferous calls to relieve Solskjaer of his duties in the wake of a humiliating 5-0 loss to rivals Liverpool and a 2-0 derby defeat to Manchester City in early November.
Solskjaer, who has been in charge since December 2018, signed a three-year contract extension in July and it will cost United a reported £7.5m if they sack him.
The manager said: "I always have belief in myself, but at the moment it's a difficult time for us. I can trust every single one out there to give what they have, but the results are difficult.
"I believe we can turn this round.
"I understand the fans, who have supported the club through thick and thin, and have been great over the last few years. It's a difficult period, we have had a hard time since Sir Alex left, and the fans who have been here - since I came in - have been unbelievable.
"They understood the situation, the signings this summer raised expectations, rightly so, because we brought some top players in and having been second last year, we hoped to kick on."
Former Liverpool defender Jamie Carragher says he is sure Manchester United will be looking for a new manager soon, but called some of the players' displays this season "scandalous".
"It's getting to the stage where it becomes untenable," he said.
"We all know sooner or later that Manchester United will have a new manager, but when it gets to this stage now you actually look at Ole as an individual and human being and think it's not good for him to be the Manchester United manager right now.
"I've not been a manager, but if you've got a crop of those players - and I don't care what anyone tells me, Manchester United have got quality players - you can't lose to Watford 4-1. You can't.
"No matter how the manager has set you up, whether he has a presence in the dressing room, whether the players respect him or not, who knows? However he sets them up, those players... some of the performances they've given this season are an absolute disgrace. That is one of the most expensive squads in world football. One of the highest-paid squads in world football.
"And Watford are pretty awful, I've watched a lot of them this season, to lose there 4-1 is absolutely disgusting and disgraceful from some of those players. The manager will go, we know that, that story will move on pretty quickly.
"But some of those players' performances this season have been absolutely scandalous."
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It is the speed and steepness of the descent that has taken Manchester United by surprise.
Not too long ago, it was all so different. There were much backslapping and an air of celebration when United secured Cristiano Ronaldo's return on 27 August amid strong interest from Manchester City.
When the Portuguese superstar marked his second United debut with two goals in a 4-1 win over Newcastle, all seemed well. When hundreds of fans waited more than half-an-hour to hail the Portuguese superstar as he conducted interviews after that match, it seemed inconceivable that 10 weeks later, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer would be sacked.
But, after surviving the 5-0 home defeat by Liverpool on 24 October and the 2-0 'humiliation' by Manchester City on 6 November, Solskjaer was catapulted out of the manager's chair following Saturday's the 4-1 loss at Watford.
The statistics are stark. Four wins in 13 matches in all competitions since that Newcastle victory. Seven points from eight Premier League games, with United keeping one clean sheet. Nineteen goals conceded in seven games. Out of the Carabao Cup.
The stats that tell the tale of Solskjaer's reign
It would have been even worse but for an injury-time David de Gea penalty save that ensured a 2-1 Premier League win at West Ham in September, and three critical late goals from Ronaldo in the Champions League - late winners at home to Villarreal and Atalanta, and a dramatic point-saver against Gian Piero Gasperini's side in Italy.
For some, Solskjaer's exit has been a long time coming. They were never convinced the Norwegian was up to the job in the first place and have been waiting for him to fail since his appointment was made permanent in March 2019.
That judgement is harsh.
Solskjaer restored pride to a club that had turned in on itself during the last days of the Jose Mourinho era. Without question, he acted and took decisions for the benefit of Manchester United, a club seared into his heart.
He secured a second-place finish in the Premier League last season, which is as high as United have managed since Sir Alex Ferguson retired in 2013. After 19 games, they were top, a position they have not enjoyed at such an advanced stage of the season since Ferguson left.
Had they beaten Villarreal in the Europa League final as expected, Solskjaer would have given himself an element of protection against the problems that has engulfed him. But De Gea missed in a bizarre penalty shootout in Gdansk and, as some felt at the time, the effect of those fine margins going against the Norwegian are now being felt.
Solskjaer: The cons
That is not to say Solskjaer bears no responsibility for United's collapse.
It has been obvious for a long time which players he trusts and which he does not. Evidently, Donny van de Beek falls into the latter category.
It is not entirely clear what role Solskjaer played in Van de Beek's £35m arrival from Ajax in September 2020, but he never gave any particular impression he thought the Dutchman could be a significant presence at Old Trafford.
BBC Sport has been told by more than one source that Solskjaer felt there was a nervousness about Van de Beek, leading to uncertainty over whether he could flourish at United.
That view is slightly odd given nearly every match last season was played in an empty stadium. That Van de Beek came on and scored as United thrashed about looking for a way back into the Watford game undermined Solskjaer's view even more.
Van de Beek was among a number of United players who have been edged to the periphery this season.
Dean Henderson's hopes of challenging for the goalkeeping slot have been dashed, although, admittedly, David de Gea has been one of United's best performers.
However, with De Gea and Henderson on first-team duties, Tom Heaton has been reduced to the role of third choice, which does not seem to be the best use of the 35-year-old, who was in the England squad before he got injured two years ago.
Jesse Lingard posted a picture of himself on social media wearing a West Ham kit on Friday. This came after BBC Sport and other media outlets, learned of the collapse of contract talks with United.
Lingard's outstanding loan spell at West Ham in the second half of last season propelled him back into the England reckoning. He opted not to return to London Stadium on a permanent basis in the summer, partly because he understood Solskjaer would offer more opportunities, which have not arrived.
On 12 November, Harry Maguire stuck his fingers in his ears - a gesture interpreted as a dig at his critics - after scoring in England's 5-0 win over Albania. Eight days later, the United captain was sent off playing for his club in the defeat at Watford.
Those two matches encapsulated the defender's recent form. Good for England, terrible for United.
That could be seen during the 4-2 defeat at his old club Leicester in October, when his error offered the home side a way back into a game they were losing. It could be seen too during the Manchester derby in early November, when he and Luke Shaw dithered, and allowed City's Bernardo Silva to take control and score.
Maguire and Shaw were passive, waiting for the ball to go out of play. That attitude contrasted sharply with Bernardo, who was pro-active in trying to make something happen. It hinted at a timidity that runs throughout the United side.
Aaron Wan-Bissaka's concentration has never been great. But after being caught in no-man's land against Liverpool in October and having it exposed mercilessly by TV pundits, he did virtually the same thing against City in the build-up to their opening goal.
Bruno Fernandes' failure to take a clear chance to equalise at Watford came after a performance against City that was as poor as he has produced since he came to United, as he gave cheap possession away time after time.
It has never been entirely clear why United spent £47m on Brazilian midfielder Fred. And the only thing that can be said about the injured Paul Pogba is that no-one is arguing that things would have been any better had the Frenchman - sent off after coming on as a substitute against Liverpool - been available.
Was Solskjaer willing to challenge the owners?
One of the accusations regularly thrown about Solskjaer is that he doesn't have a strong footballing style to mark him out, meaning that he pales in comparison with managerial heavyweights such as Pep Guardiola, Jurgen Klopp and Thomas Tuchel.
This view ignores the fact he has beaten sides managed by all three, while also getting the better of Julian Nagelsmann, Marcelo Bielsa and Mauricio Pochettino.
Initially, Solskjaer felt his squad lacked the fitness to press the way he wanted. He got rid of Romelu Lukaku and Alexis Sanchez with the aim of having a younger strikeforce who could run and force opposition defences into mistakes.
His midfield still looked weak, but there was a coherent pattern to Solskjaer's recruitment. He signed Jadon Sancho early in the close season and persuaded Edinson Cavani to remain at Old Trafford for an extra year when it had appeared the Uruguayan was minded to move on.
Ronaldo's arrival smashed the template.
At a stroke, the number nine role, which Cavani and Mason Greenwood had been expected to share, was handed over to the 36-year-old. As a consequence, Cavani has barely played and Greenwood has occupied a wide role, reducing Sancho's opportunities.
Ronaldo's abilities are beyond question and his goals have saved United more than once this season. But pressing defenders out of possession was not his game 10 years ago and nothing has changed.
Did Solskjaer really value Ronaldo's Old Trafford return as much as the executives who knew what a commercial impact the Portuguese superstar would have?
And, if not, was he willing to say so?
Even when Solskjaer was still in his job and results were going well, a few sources, steeped in United's history, wondered whether he was prepared to go to war internally for what he believed was right, whether he was prepared to challenge the Glazer family and executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward.
Deep down, the theory goes, Solskjaer always felt he was fortunate to get such a massive job given his relatively low-profile managerial CV, and his nature meant he would accept imperfect situations rather than rail against them.
That narrative may explain why Solskjaer survived those awful defeats by Liverpool and Manchester City. It may also explain why United allowed Antonio Conte to join Tottenham rather than making a move for the demanding Italian.
Now though, they are on the search for post-Ferguson manager number five.
And after what has gone before, there can be no real confidence they will get it right this time.
BBC
Not too long ago, it was all so different. There were much backslapping and an air of celebration when United secured Cristiano Ronaldo's return on 27 August amid strong interest from Manchester City.
When the Portuguese superstar marked his second United debut with two goals in a 4-1 win over Newcastle, all seemed well. When hundreds of fans waited more than half-an-hour to hail the Portuguese superstar as he conducted interviews after that match, it seemed inconceivable that 10 weeks later, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer would be sacked.
But, after surviving the 5-0 home defeat by Liverpool on 24 October and the 2-0 'humiliation' by Manchester City on 6 November, Solskjaer was catapulted out of the manager's chair following Saturday's the 4-1 loss at Watford.
The statistics are stark. Four wins in 13 matches in all competitions since that Newcastle victory. Seven points from eight Premier League games, with United keeping one clean sheet. Nineteen goals conceded in seven games. Out of the Carabao Cup.
The stats that tell the tale of Solskjaer's reign
It would have been even worse but for an injury-time David de Gea penalty save that ensured a 2-1 Premier League win at West Ham in September, and three critical late goals from Ronaldo in the Champions League - late winners at home to Villarreal and Atalanta, and a dramatic point-saver against Gian Piero Gasperini's side in Italy.
For some, Solskjaer's exit has been a long time coming. They were never convinced the Norwegian was up to the job in the first place and have been waiting for him to fail since his appointment was made permanent in March 2019.
That judgement is harsh.
Solskjaer restored pride to a club that had turned in on itself during the last days of the Jose Mourinho era. Without question, he acted and took decisions for the benefit of Manchester United, a club seared into his heart.
He secured a second-place finish in the Premier League last season, which is as high as United have managed since Sir Alex Ferguson retired in 2013. After 19 games, they were top, a position they have not enjoyed at such an advanced stage of the season since Ferguson left.
Had they beaten Villarreal in the Europa League final as expected, Solskjaer would have given himself an element of protection against the problems that has engulfed him. But De Gea missed in a bizarre penalty shootout in Gdansk and, as some felt at the time, the effect of those fine margins going against the Norwegian are now being felt.
Solskjaer: The cons
That is not to say Solskjaer bears no responsibility for United's collapse.
It has been obvious for a long time which players he trusts and which he does not. Evidently, Donny van de Beek falls into the latter category.
It is not entirely clear what role Solskjaer played in Van de Beek's £35m arrival from Ajax in September 2020, but he never gave any particular impression he thought the Dutchman could be a significant presence at Old Trafford.
BBC Sport has been told by more than one source that Solskjaer felt there was a nervousness about Van de Beek, leading to uncertainty over whether he could flourish at United.
That view is slightly odd given nearly every match last season was played in an empty stadium. That Van de Beek came on and scored as United thrashed about looking for a way back into the Watford game undermined Solskjaer's view even more.
Van de Beek was among a number of United players who have been edged to the periphery this season.
Dean Henderson's hopes of challenging for the goalkeeping slot have been dashed, although, admittedly, David de Gea has been one of United's best performers.
However, with De Gea and Henderson on first-team duties, Tom Heaton has been reduced to the role of third choice, which does not seem to be the best use of the 35-year-old, who was in the England squad before he got injured two years ago.
Jesse Lingard posted a picture of himself on social media wearing a West Ham kit on Friday. This came after BBC Sport and other media outlets, learned of the collapse of contract talks with United.
Lingard's outstanding loan spell at West Ham in the second half of last season propelled him back into the England reckoning. He opted not to return to London Stadium on a permanent basis in the summer, partly because he understood Solskjaer would offer more opportunities, which have not arrived.
On 12 November, Harry Maguire stuck his fingers in his ears - a gesture interpreted as a dig at his critics - after scoring in England's 5-0 win over Albania. Eight days later, the United captain was sent off playing for his club in the defeat at Watford.
Those two matches encapsulated the defender's recent form. Good for England, terrible for United.
That could be seen during the 4-2 defeat at his old club Leicester in October, when his error offered the home side a way back into a game they were losing. It could be seen too during the Manchester derby in early November, when he and Luke Shaw dithered, and allowed City's Bernardo Silva to take control and score.
Maguire and Shaw were passive, waiting for the ball to go out of play. That attitude contrasted sharply with Bernardo, who was pro-active in trying to make something happen. It hinted at a timidity that runs throughout the United side.
Aaron Wan-Bissaka's concentration has never been great. But after being caught in no-man's land against Liverpool in October and having it exposed mercilessly by TV pundits, he did virtually the same thing against City in the build-up to their opening goal.
Bruno Fernandes' failure to take a clear chance to equalise at Watford came after a performance against City that was as poor as he has produced since he came to United, as he gave cheap possession away time after time.
It has never been entirely clear why United spent £47m on Brazilian midfielder Fred. And the only thing that can be said about the injured Paul Pogba is that no-one is arguing that things would have been any better had the Frenchman - sent off after coming on as a substitute against Liverpool - been available.
Was Solskjaer willing to challenge the owners?
One of the accusations regularly thrown about Solskjaer is that he doesn't have a strong footballing style to mark him out, meaning that he pales in comparison with managerial heavyweights such as Pep Guardiola, Jurgen Klopp and Thomas Tuchel.
This view ignores the fact he has beaten sides managed by all three, while also getting the better of Julian Nagelsmann, Marcelo Bielsa and Mauricio Pochettino.
Initially, Solskjaer felt his squad lacked the fitness to press the way he wanted. He got rid of Romelu Lukaku and Alexis Sanchez with the aim of having a younger strikeforce who could run and force opposition defences into mistakes.
His midfield still looked weak, but there was a coherent pattern to Solskjaer's recruitment. He signed Jadon Sancho early in the close season and persuaded Edinson Cavani to remain at Old Trafford for an extra year when it had appeared the Uruguayan was minded to move on.
Ronaldo's arrival smashed the template.
At a stroke, the number nine role, which Cavani and Mason Greenwood had been expected to share, was handed over to the 36-year-old. As a consequence, Cavani has barely played and Greenwood has occupied a wide role, reducing Sancho's opportunities.
Ronaldo's abilities are beyond question and his goals have saved United more than once this season. But pressing defenders out of possession was not his game 10 years ago and nothing has changed.
Did Solskjaer really value Ronaldo's Old Trafford return as much as the executives who knew what a commercial impact the Portuguese superstar would have?
And, if not, was he willing to say so?
Even when Solskjaer was still in his job and results were going well, a few sources, steeped in United's history, wondered whether he was prepared to go to war internally for what he believed was right, whether he was prepared to challenge the Glazer family and executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward.
Deep down, the theory goes, Solskjaer always felt he was fortunate to get such a massive job given his relatively low-profile managerial CV, and his nature meant he would accept imperfect situations rather than rail against them.
That narrative may explain why Solskjaer survived those awful defeats by Liverpool and Manchester City. It may also explain why United allowed Antonio Conte to join Tottenham rather than making a move for the demanding Italian.
Now though, they are on the search for post-Ferguson manager number five.
And after what has gone before, there can be no real confidence they will get it right this time.
BBC
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Almost £500 million spent - no PL club has spent more money in the market than Man United since Ole took charge, and he has 0 trophies to show for.
One of the most incompetent managers in the history of the PL if not the most incompetent. It is not even debatable.
One of the most incompetent managers in the history of the PL if not the most incompetent. It is not even debatable.
Bro, he is not even championship standard. The worst manager in the premier league by far. We wasted 3 years with him, because of his achievements as a player.
And it's funny that his most staunch defender has barely posted in the last few weeks. I wonder why.
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Ole Gunnar Solskjaer says he is "honoured and privileged" to have led Manchester United and hopes he has left the Premier League club in a "better state than when I came".
Speaking after being sacked as manager, he said the fans had been "amazing", adding: "We'll see each other again."
In an emotional interview with the club website, he also said he had made some "great friends".
Solskjaer was relieved of his duties after the side lost 4-1 at Watford on Saturday.
It was United's fifth defeat in 12 Premier League games this season and leaves them in 7th place - 12 points behind leaders Chelsea.
Solskjaer said: "It's not for everyone, and I've had the opportunity and I'm so honoured and privileged to have been trusted to take the club forward and I really hope that I leave it in a better state than when I came.
"I made great friends, I've reconnected with some great friends - new staff coming in, I've become really good friends with."
The former striker continued: "That's what it's about at a club like this with the fans, because the fans have been amazing, from day one at Cardiff till the last one.
"So: top, and we'll see each other again."
Former United captain Gary Neville complimented his ex-teammate, who took on the managerial role after Jose Mourinho was sacked.
Neville said that Solskjaer had restored the "soul" of the club.
"It's been coming for the past few weeks, performance terrible and results shocking. Yesterday was wimpish at Watford," the Sky Sports pundit added.
"You're always hoping the players would respond, that the two-week international break would bring some freshness but it looked like they had the world on their shoulders, their performance levels over the last few weeks have dipped.
"When a manager can't get a performance out of his players and results are getting as bad as they are, in this game you're going to lose your job."
Wayne Rooney, another former captain and the Red Devil's record scorer, said he was "disappointed" watching the the Norwegian's final game in charge.
The now Derby County manager said: "To see players waving their arms around and giving the ball away but blaming other people was not acceptable.
"I would be very angry if I saw that from my players. Those players are at one of, if not the biggest, club in the world and should feel privileged to be there."
Asked about taking over the reins at his former employer, Rooney said: "I'm committed to this football club until somebody above me tells me otherwise.
"I speak to people at Manchester United on a regular basis and I'm sure, if they were going to come calling for me, that would have happened by now."
Meanwhile, current forward Marcus Rashford shared a photo of himself with his former boss saying: "Club legend".
https://news.sky.com/story/ole-gunn...tells-fans-well-see-each-other-again-12475052
Speaking after being sacked as manager, he said the fans had been "amazing", adding: "We'll see each other again."
In an emotional interview with the club website, he also said he had made some "great friends".
Solskjaer was relieved of his duties after the side lost 4-1 at Watford on Saturday.
It was United's fifth defeat in 12 Premier League games this season and leaves them in 7th place - 12 points behind leaders Chelsea.
Solskjaer said: "It's not for everyone, and I've had the opportunity and I'm so honoured and privileged to have been trusted to take the club forward and I really hope that I leave it in a better state than when I came.
"I made great friends, I've reconnected with some great friends - new staff coming in, I've become really good friends with."
The former striker continued: "That's what it's about at a club like this with the fans, because the fans have been amazing, from day one at Cardiff till the last one.
"So: top, and we'll see each other again."
Former United captain Gary Neville complimented his ex-teammate, who took on the managerial role after Jose Mourinho was sacked.
Neville said that Solskjaer had restored the "soul" of the club.
"It's been coming for the past few weeks, performance terrible and results shocking. Yesterday was wimpish at Watford," the Sky Sports pundit added.
"You're always hoping the players would respond, that the two-week international break would bring some freshness but it looked like they had the world on their shoulders, their performance levels over the last few weeks have dipped.
"When a manager can't get a performance out of his players and results are getting as bad as they are, in this game you're going to lose your job."
Wayne Rooney, another former captain and the Red Devil's record scorer, said he was "disappointed" watching the the Norwegian's final game in charge.
The now Derby County manager said: "To see players waving their arms around and giving the ball away but blaming other people was not acceptable.
"I would be very angry if I saw that from my players. Those players are at one of, if not the biggest, club in the world and should feel privileged to be there."
Asked about taking over the reins at his former employer, Rooney said: "I'm committed to this football club until somebody above me tells me otherwise.
"I speak to people at Manchester United on a regular basis and I'm sure, if they were going to come calling for me, that would have happened by now."
Meanwhile, current forward Marcus Rashford shared a photo of himself with his former boss saying: "Club legend".
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Sky Sports News has been told Mauricio Pochettino would be interested in the managerial position at MUFC
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It feels like a bit of an engineering job and some financial deals here & there will be done behind the scenes to bring Pochettino to United, so Zidane can then step into his preferred PSG role which will be vacated for him.
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They need to get rid of the whole coaching team and reboot. There is literally no plan in place.
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They don't believe in planning. Truly a shambles of a club and have been since SAF and David Gill retired in 2013.
Whoever they get in, they have to act fast as having Carrick, McKenna and co in charge for one game is a nightmare. These are the guys that would run the training sessions for Ole. When the new manager does come in, then all of these so called 'coaches' have to be sent on their way.
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What next for UTd I'd say give this season to Ronald Koeman he has the PL experience and big name pedigree them may be reappoint the chosen one David Moyes
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Phil Jones player-manager. He GETS the club
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