Ollie Robinson apologizes for his shameful racist and sexist tweets / suspended by ECB

[Junaids]

To an extent, but not everyone, and you can not say it in public or it will get called out, be it 8 years down the line.

It is far worse though not knowing someone is racist and sexist because of them hiding it. You don’t know what is in someone’s heart but even bad private thoughts are not punishable if not acted upon. Robinson’s tweets were him carrying out ‘the act’.

As I wrote earlier, the most offensive tweet was actually about Gary Speed - the Leeds United footballer who hanged himself when he was the Manager of Wales, who had almost certainly been sexually abused as a young footballer.

Every white British sports lover who has seen that tweet in the last 48 hours will have been disgusted.

But do you have any grasp of just how unsophisticated and uneducated the average 18 year old in Kent who left school at 16 actually is? I think that there is every reason to hope that he has matured since then.

 

[Devadwal]

Olly Robinson to be dropped by England for second test in wake of racist tweets BombShell

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket...hobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1622748633-1

 

[cricket4all]

As I wrote earlier, the most offensive tweet was actually about Gary Speed - the Leeds United footballer who hanged himself when he was the Manager of Wales, who had almost certainly been sexually abused as a young footballer.

Every white British sports lover who has seen that tweet in the last 48 hours will have been disgusted.

But do you have any grasp of just how unsophisticated and uneducated the average 18 year old in Kent who left school at 16 actually is? I think that there is every reason to hope that he has matured since then.

Your right Gary Speed was most offensive tweet, and even Prince Harry once made a racist comment. Society is also too politically correct, but people in the public domain such as sports stars are naturally and rightly spotlighted, but that can be too much and not everyone is so forgiving and will let it go especially some of the media. Lets hope he has matured.

 

[King_Kohli]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As an ex teammate of Ollie Robinson’s in the Yorkshire set up, having roomed, shared the field and gone out for dinners and socials with him, I know full well he isn’t a racist.<br><br>Yes, the remarks were inexcusable and irresponsible. He’s apologised. We should forgive, and move on.</p>— Moin Ashraf (@MoinA23) <a href="https://twitter.com/MoinA23/status/1400178653007429632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Yossarian]

Ever stop to think that all these 'public apologies' and crocodile tears are part of a plan carefully crafted by his agents and the ECB to limit the PR damage?
What did you expect him to say in public, "I'm not sorry"?

 

[Yossarian]

Yea he was 18 i remember when i was 18. People make mistakes...

Not everyone is a racist at 18.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I agree, world has become to sensitive and soft. People have the thinnest skin now. He was 18 give me a break we've all done some stupid a** sh*t when we were 18.

This is actually a joke compared to what we say jokely among friends. People nowadays are quick to judge and are hypocrites because im 100% sure these type of jokes are made among all men.

They may well be, but the world finds such jokes less acceptable these days. The old days when it was considered a hoot to tell jokes about thick Paddy's from Ireland or curry breath jokes about P--is. is no longer considered ok. Just have to look at how I'm having to type that, the abbreviation isn't allowed on this site.

 

[Sir-fraz]

Not everyone is a racist at 18.

Lol those were clearly jokes... ur just soft and thin skinned. Difference is back then nothing was said about it, but now we got these woke idiots who need to feel important...

 

[Sir-fraz]

They may well be, but the world finds such jokes less acceptable these days. The old days when it was considered a hoot to tell jokes about thick Paddy's from Ireland or curry breath jokes about P--is. is no longer considered ok. Just have to look at how I'm having to type that, the abbreviation isn't allowed on this site.

“Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.”

 

[shaz619]

It’s a bit harsh to see him dropped, but those responsible for vetting talent need to be fired, will the ECB take accountability in that regard to ?

 

[MenInG]

England pacer Ollie Robinson made a fine start to his Test career, taking four wickets in the first innings of the first match against New Zealand at the Lord's Cricket Ground. Yet, the player is likely to be dropped from the second match, but for a non-sporting reason.

As Robinson made his debut on Wednesday, his 'racist and sexist' tweets from 8 years ago resurfaced. Though Robinson issued an apology after the conclusion of the first day's play, he looks set to be reprimanded for the posts made on the micro-blogging website when he was 18 years old.

As per a report in The Telegraph UK, The England & Wales Cricket Board (ECB) has launched an investigation into the matter and have decided to drop the player from the squad for the second Test against the Kiwis at Edgbaston. The exile, however, might not be limited to just the ongoing series.

Though an official comment from the ECB is yet to be made, the report suggests that Robinson could be ruled out of the 5-match Test series against India as well.

Robinson's tweets have also brought shame to England cricket team that has been fighting racism on social media themselves. Now, the board is reportedly looking to hire an external company to vet the social media accounts of their new players in order to avoid such issues from arising again. Educational program on the matter is on ECB's agenda too.

After the tweets went viral on social media, Robinson issued a public apology but it has been learned that he had also apologised to his teammates in the dressing room, regretting his actions while assuring them that he has matured as a person.

“He had to say sorry to the dressing room, he had to say sorry to the world about what he did,” Graham Thorpe, England’s assistant coach, said.

“So from that perspective it's very hard for him but he knows he made mistakes. So at the end of the day, that's why he had to make those apologies. But in our dressing room, we had to support him as well."

Thorpe praised Robinson's mindset that saw him leave the off-field chatter behind and continue his good spell by dismissing the likes of Colin de Grandhomme and Kyle Jamieson on Day 2.

“We were really pleased, actually, that he showed good character and he had to be pretty resilient because of what he's done. That's still not easy, then to go back out onto the stage and perform and I thought his level of performance was exceptional so far in that first innings.

“We had to stick together. We had to talk about it, we had to get it out and we had to come back in fresh this morning and stand up and do our jobs as well.”

No matter what fate has in store for Robinson, the pacer still has one more innings of bowling to do in the ongoing first Test against New Zealand. Whether he will escape a serious sanction by the ECB for the actions made as a teenager or not, remains to be seen.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...-test-over-sexist-racist-tweets-report/766147

 

[silentkiller187]

Lol those were clearly jokes... ur just soft and thin skinned. Difference is back then nothing was said about it, but now we got these woke idiots who need to feel important...

It’s a bit harsh to see him dropped, but those responsible for vetting talent need to be fired, will the ECB take accountability in that regard to ?

The difference is he is now in the public eye, unfortunately when your looked upon as a role model for an international team, these things are not ok, no matter whether they were said in jest or not, all jokes have some sort of truth to them anyway, make of that what you will. I for one wouldn't want to share a dressing room with someone who makes jokes like that, ecb has a duty of care towards the other players as well as fans etc.

And on a day where England tried to go above and beyond to make a point they were against all forms of discrimination, one of there players shows us an example of ALL forms of discrimination, therefore ECB has no choice but to make an example of Ollie and at the same time drill home the message that these "jokes" need to be stamped out from an early age if you want to succeed as an international cricketer in the public eye.

 

[Tubs]

Majorly blown out of proportion.

Very stupid stuff said 9 years ago, at age 18 shouldn't warrant him being hanged, drawn and quartered. Most of it was poor attempts at edgy humour (the Muslim comment, the use of the n-word which wasn't mean in a derogatory way toward black people), and the comments regarding women is very typical, even today, of how many young men speak about women, which is terrible, but again was 9 years ago. If terrorists can be reformed (and yes, I believe they can), then surely we can accept that stupid, offensive tweets from 9 years ago can be forgotten.

 

[Sir-fraz]

The difference is he is now in the public eye, unfortunately when your looked upon as a role model for an international team, these things are not ok, no matter whether they were said in jest or not, all jokes have some sort of truth to them anyway, make of that what you will. I for one wouldn't want to share a dressing room with someone who makes jokes like that, ecb has a duty of care towards the other players as well as fans etc.

And on a day where England tried to go above and beyond to make a point they were against all forms of discrimination, one of there players shows us an example of ALL forms of discrimination, therefore ECB has no choice but to make an example of Ollie and at the same time drill home the message that these "jokes" need to be stamped out from an early age if you want to succeed as an international cricketer in the public eye.

All I read was you support mob rule and witch hunts... people are barely able to think for themselves, infact they dont even know what they want.

You want these low iq people to be judge jury and excecutioner...

These are words if your feelings are hurt grow up. No one cares.

We dont live in a perfect world there will always be racists and sexists. But its pretty clear this kid isnt one and those tweets were jokes.

Public is dumb. Nothing new. Majority isnt always right. If the majority of people jump off a cliff will you follow?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

“Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.”

How does that address what I wrote in my post?

Do you believe we should still have jokes about thick Irish Paddys and curry breath PAKIstanis?

You can speak freely, I am not necessarily disagreeing, just want an honest opinion.

 

[Markhor]

They may well be, but the world finds such jokes less acceptable these days. The old days when it was considered a hoot to tell jokes about thick Paddy's from Ireland or curry breath jokes about P--is. is no longer considered ok. Just have to look at how I'm having to type that, the abbreviation isn't allowed on this site.

On YouTube there was a clip of Fred Trueman doing an after dinner speech. I heard him quip that the reason Test crowds were so low in India and Pakistan was because "they're all in Bradford and Leicester".

This was a grown man well travelled and long retired, someone who mixed with different cultures and races for decades, yet thought it sensible to utter these words out loud. And he's venerated and affectionately impersonated even now.

Brian Close once stated the lack of Asian representation at Yorkshire CCC was as "Bloody P---- they don't want to know."

He has a street named after him which I've driven past many times and is also revered as an iconic figure.

My point is obviously racism is appalling at any age and Robinson was foolish to tweet this. However there are degrees of malicious intent and this was nowhere near as malicious as what Craig Overton said to Ashar Zaidi, or what these "icons" of English cricket said in the past. We also cannot apply a harsher standard to an 18 year old kid, who was punished at the time by Yorkshire CCC, than these legends who were never held accountable for their clearly bigoted words and infact are still celebrated today.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I'm not surprised people here are having trouble digesting the fact that Robinson is being dropped for the second test. It's a bold decision that sends a message: that there will be no tolerance for this kind of racist language, even if it was said 10 years ago on a social media platform. Pakistani fans don't have the ability to understand something like this because our board doesn't have the guts to do something like this. We can't even keep match-fixers out of the side.

The fact that this is an exaggerated reaction is precisely the point.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

On YouTube there was a clip of Fred Trueman doing an after dinner speech. I heard him quip that the reason Test crowds were so low in India and Pakistan was because "they're all in Bradford and Leicester".

This was a grown man well travelled and long retired, someone who mixed with different cultures and races for decades, yet thought it sensible to utter these words out loud. And he's venerated and affectionately impersonated even now.

Brian Close once stated the lack of Asian representation at Yorkshire CCC was as "Bloody P---- they don't want to know."

He has a street named after him which I've driven past many times and is also revered as an iconic figure.

My point is obviously racism is appalling at any age and Robinson was foolish to tweet this. However there are degrees of malicious intent and this was nowhere near as malicious as what Craig Overton said to Ashar Zaidi, or what these "icons" of English cricket said in the past. We also cannot apply a harsher standard to an 18 year old kid, who was punished at the time by Yorkshire CCC, than these legends who were never held accountable for their clearly bigoted words and infact are still celebrated today.

I do get that there are degrees to this. I am not necessarily advocating a witch hunt of Ollie Robinson, I think it was a light hearted comment without much malice, and yes he was a teenager which is also a mitigating factor.

But I do take issue with some of those who are giving it the big "man up" and "stop being a snowflake" talk. I was around when Bernard Manning was doing P--k- jokes at packed out police conferences. I can guarantee you these people wouldn't last long if I started giving it back.

 

[Technics 1210]

As I wrote earlier, the most offensive tweet was actually about Gary Speed - the Leeds United footballer who hanged himself when he was the Manager of Wales, who had almost certainly been sexually abused as a young footballer.

Every white British sports lover who has seen that tweet in the last 48 hours will have been disgusted.

But do you have any grasp of just how unsophisticated and uneducated the average 18 year old in Kent who left school at 16 actually is? I think that there is every reason to hope that he has matured since then.

Offence is subjective. Move on.

 

[Technics 1210]

I agree, world has become to sensitive and soft. People have the thinnest skin now. He was 18 give me a break we've all done some stupid a** sh*t when we were 18.

This is actually a joke compared to what we say jokely among friends. People nowadays are quick to judge and are hypocrites because im 100% sure these type of jokes are made among all men.

Yup. Users attacking Ollie for his 'racist' comments are more than likely racists themselves - which is the joke within itself.

A 60 second recording of a group of desi friends at home talking about George Floyd would make the OP a summer picnic in comparison.

 

[Rana]

England pacer Ollie Robinson made a fine start to his Test career, taking four wickets in the first innings of the first match against New Zealand at the Lord's Cricket Ground. Yet, the player is likely to be dropped from the second match, but for a non-sporting reason.

As Robinson made his debut on Wednesday, his 'racist and sexist' tweets from 8 years ago resurfaced. Though Robinson issued an apology after the conclusion of the first day's play, he looks set to be reprimanded for the posts made on the micro-blogging website when he was 18 years old.

As per a report in The Telegraph UK, The England & Wales Cricket Board (ECB) has launched an investigation into the matter and have decided to drop the player from the squad for the second Test against the Kiwis at Edgbaston. The exile, however, might not be limited to just the ongoing series.

Though an official comment from the ECB is yet to be made, the report suggests that Robinson could be ruled out of the 5-match Test series against India as well.

Robinson's tweets have also brought shame to England cricket team that has been fighting racism on social media themselves. Now, the board is reportedly looking to hire an external company to vet the social media accounts of their new players in order to avoid such issues from arising again. Educational program on the matter is on ECB's agenda too.

After the tweets went viral on social media, Robinson issued a public apology but it has been learned that he had also apologised to his teammates in the dressing room, regretting his actions while assuring them that he has matured as a person.

“He had to say sorry to the dressing room, he had to say sorry to the world about what he did,” Graham Thorpe, England’s assistant coach, said.

“So from that perspective it's very hard for him but he knows he made mistakes. So at the end of the day, that's why he had to make those apologies. But in our dressing room, we had to support him as well."

Thorpe praised Robinson's mindset that saw him leave the off-field chatter behind and continue his good spell by dismissing the likes of Colin de Grandhomme and Kyle Jamieson on Day 2.

“We were really pleased, actually, that he showed good character and he had to be pretty resilient because of what he's done. That's still not easy, then to go back out onto the stage and perform and I thought his level of performance was exceptional so far in that first innings.

“We had to stick together. We had to talk about it, we had to get it out and we had to come back in fresh this morning and stand up and do our jobs as well.”

No matter what fate has in store for Robinson, the pacer still has one more innings of bowling to do in the ongoing first Test against New Zealand. Whether he will escape a serious sanction by the ECB for the actions made as a teenager or not, remains to be seen.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...-test-over-sexist-racist-tweets-report/766147

Ok but what about Craig Overton? Why isn’t he dropped from the England squad at all?

 

[Rana]

I'm not surprised people here are having trouble digesting the fact that Robinson is being dropped for the second test. It's a bold decision that sends a message: that there will be no tolerance for this kind of racist language, even if it was said 10 years ago on a social media platform. Pakistani fans don't have the ability to understand something like this because our board doesn't have the guts to do something like this. We can't even keep match-fixers out of the side.

The fact that this is an exaggerated reaction is precisely the point.

It makes no sense though, Craig Overton is still a part of the England squad

 

[Technics 1210]

Ok but what about Craig Overton? Why isn’t he dropped from the England squad at all?

Cos Overton didn't post on social media. Simples. It is for this very reason there is no documented empirical evidence of his comments.

 

[Sir-fraz]

How does that address what I wrote in my post?

Do you believe we should still have jokes about thick Irish Paddys and curry breath PAKIstanis?

You can speak freely, I am not necessarily disagreeing, just want an honest opinion.

I dont think it matters. These are subjects that are mundane and dont have any real meaning to real world issues.

Being offended over words... we were taught sitcks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me...

This is still considered free speech.

That quote should remind you of what the state of soceity is nowadays. WEAK.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It makes no sense though, Craig Overton is still a part of the England squad

Its obviously purely cosmetic. I doubt ECB cares about any of this. At the end of the day, the people who run English cricket are still largely affluent white men. But point is they are sending a message to players to not put them in a public-relations nightmare again. That's professionalism, and something that a board like the PCB could benefit from.

Re: Overton. I think the only reason he is there is because his revelations came out a long time ago and I'm guessing they feel that since he has apologized and shown remorse they can move on.

 

[Technics 1210]

In my experience anyone offended by words is so because they feel its the truth.

It's a fact, you are only offended if you feel there's an element of truth in what is said, and are offended because you have no comeback.

Rather than being offended by words, grow a pair.

 

[Shazzam]

If they truly want to set an example he should be banned for good and not allowed to play any form of cricket. These racist remarks are unacceptable.

 

[Rana]

Cos Overton didn't post on social media. Simples. It is for this very reason there is no documented empirical evidence of his comments.

But he was clearly punished for his offence. He is a proven Racist

 

[Technics 1210]

But he was clearly punished for his offence. He is a proven Racist

Being punished isn't indicative of racism.

Welcome to woke times. 2015 was very different to today. No Trump, no Brexit, no Floyd in 2015.

Desis take offence with the term P@ki, but will happily call a white boy a scouser in a derogatory manner when it suits them.

Also lets not pretend asian players don't diss the white man in punjabi/urdu while playing, thinking they are speaking in a foreign language and will get away with it because the white man doesn't understand.

 

[Saj]

Desis take offence with the term P@ki, but will happily call a white boy a scouser in a derogatory manner when it suits them.

The former is a racist term.

The latter is not racist and refers to a type of food.

 

[Technics 1210]

The former is a racist term.

The latter is not racist and refers to a type of food.

Scouser is a type of food? Scousers are defined as Liverpudlians who are generalised in derogatory manner based on crime.

**** is short for Pakistan/I. It's not discriminate which is the basis of racism.

 

[Gilly]

The former is a racist term.

The latter is not racist and refers to a type of food.

But if a white boy is offended from being called a scouser then it is racist.

 

[Saj]

But if a white boy is offended from being called a scouser then it is racist.

I have never heard of anyone from Liverpool being offended at being called a scouser.

 

[Saj]

Scouser is a type of food? Scousers are defined as Liverpudlians who are generalised in derogatory manner based on crime.

**** is short for Pakistan/I. It's not discriminate which is the basis of racism.

This is where the term scouser comes from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scouse_(food) Read slowly - Scouse is a type of stew, typically made from chunks of meat, usually beef or lamb, potatoes and onion. It is particularly associated with the port of Liverpool, which is why the inhabitants of that city are often referred to as "scousers".

Liverpudlians are named after the city of Liverpool.

There is nothing racist in either term.

 

[Technics 1210]

This is where the term scouser comes from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scouse_(food) Read slowly - Scouse is a type of stew, typically made from chunks of meat, usually beef or lamb, potatoes and onion. It is particularly associated with the port of Liverpool, which is why the inhabitants of that city are often referred to as "scousers".

Liverpudlians are named after the city of Liverpool.

There is nothing racist in either term.

If scouser is a type of food then P@ki is a type of person.

As you said neither is a racist term.

So whats your point?

 

[Saj]

If scouser is a type of food then P@ki is a type of person.

Whats your point?

I think you are having problems understanding the difference.

Scouser isn't an offensive term to the people of Liverpool.

The other is an offensive term to many Pakistanis especially the older generation of Pakistanis in the UK.

 

[Gilly]

I have never heard of anyone from Liverpool being offended at being called a scouser.

I often hear women called scousers as a derogatory term because they dont work.

 

[Bewal Express]

Dropping him is wrong and will do nothing to reduce bigotry.

 

[Bewal Express]

I often hear women called scousers as a derogatory term because they dont work.

Jock, Taff and Scouse are seen as affectionate rather offensive.

 

[Technics 1210]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Scouser

The definition of scouser - a person from Liverpool.

 

[Saj]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Scouser

The definition of scouser - a person from Liverpool.

We all know that.

And your point is?

 

[Gilly]

Dropping him is wrong and will do nothing to reduce bigotry.

It will encourage more digging into peoples past and we will see more scrutiny of players past lives.

Also the tweets were done in 2012 so his punishment must be in line with the rules of 2012.

Its a good lesson for young people today that you will be under the microscope when you enter public life.

 

[Technics 1210]

We all know that.

And your point is?

Scouser is not a term based on food, its based on a person from Liverpool.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

In my experience anyone offended by words is so because they feel its the truth.

It's a fact, you are only offended if you feel there's an element of truth in what is said, and are offended because you have no comeback.

Rather than being offended by words, grow a pair.

There are plenty of comebacks believe me. I can imagine what this place would look like if some comebacks were allowed.

 

[Technics 1210]

There are plenty of comebacks believe me. I can imagine what this place would look like if some comebacks were allowed.

I'm sure there are, I am talking about people who are offended - they don't have comebacks even if zillions are available.

You will find thick skinned people have comebacks, thinned skins do not.

 

[Bewal Express]

It will encourage more digging into peoples past and we will see more scrutiny of players past lives.

Also the tweets were done in 2012 so his punishment must be in line with the rules of 2012.

Its a good lesson for young people today that you will be under the microscope when you enter public life.

Actually kiss are being educated about their Digital history and future employment prospects.

 

[Technics 1210]

Even back in the early 80s, **** was never an affectionate term. I lived through this very racist period and everybody knew what the connotations were.

I lived through the same period.

Mind your language, is another TV show, doesn't use any derogatory terms even by today's standards yet is deemed racist.

 

[Gilly]

Actually kiss are being educated about their Digital history and future employment prospects.

It only affects white kids though, if you are not white you have nothing to worry about.

 

[Technics 1210]

Actually kiss are being educated about their Digital history and future employment prospects.

Simply because a digital footprint leaves a trail of empirical evidence. No other reason. Case in point, the OP.

 

[MenInG]

Ok lets get the discussion back on track please

Thread is about Ollie Robinson.

 

[Bewal Express]

It only affects white kids though, if you are not white you have nothing to worry about.

Yea we have Muslims and none whites are living it large, while the poor white guys are being harrrased for being racist. It's an unjust World, I bet you wish for the good old days, where you could kill, abuse the brown and black guys and have no consequences . Sorry to have taken you World from you.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yea we have Muslims and none whites are living it large, while the poor white guys are being harrrased for being racist. It's an unjust World, I bet you wish for the good old days, where you could kill, abuse the brown and black guys and have no consequences . Sorry to have taken you World from you.

He has a point. Ollie Robinson is viewed as a racist not because of his comments, but because he's white in a white majority country. If a non-white had said the same then the perception would be very different.

 

[Saj]

Scouser is not a term based on food, its based on a person from Liverpool.

I think you are having problems with your comprehension regarding this.

I'll write it again for you. This time do read it.

Scouse is a type of stew, typically made from chunks of meat, usually beef or lamb, potatoes and onion. It is particularly associated with the port of Liverpool, which is why the inhabitants of that city are often referred to as "scousers". The word comes from lobscouse, a stew commonly eaten by sailors throughout northern Europe in the past, and surviving in different forms there today.

 

[Bewal Express]

He has a point. Ollie Robinson is viewed as a racist not because of his comments, but because he's white in a white majority country. If a non-white had said the same then the perception would be very different.

Ollie Robinson made a mistake(s) and just the publicity has been more than enough punishment but for him to claim that white people are the victims is just rubbish.

 

[Bewal Express]

Simply because a digital footprint leaves a trail of empirical evidence. No other reason. Case in point, the OP.

Businesses have standards and young people need to know what they are. The mantra is- if you can't say it to someones face, then don't say it all.

 

[Technics 1210]

Ollie Robinson made a mistake(s) and just the publicity has been more than enough punishment but for him to claim that white people are the victims is just rubbish.

There is a misperception that only white people can be racist in the UK. This is his point.

I have mentioned a few times in this thread how desis are equally, if not more racist, with their comments and not one will address this point knowing deep down how truthful this is. Instead lets talk about Ollie and his comment. This kind of adds credence to what he's saying, and circles back to my very first post in this thread - hypocritical for us to be complaining about Ollies comments.

 

[Bewal Express]

There is a misperception that only white people can be racist in the UK. This is his point.

I have mentioned a few times in this thread how desis are equally, if not more racist, with their comments and not one will address this point knowing deep down how truthful this is. Instead lets talk about Ollie and his comment. This kind of adds credence to what he's saying, and circles back to my very first post in this thread - hypocritical for us to be complaining about Ollies comments.

You don't have to tell me that Blacks and Asians aren't racist or can't be racist( often against each other), I have seen and observed it for myself. But that doesn't give white people or any other group a free pass. One of the reasons racism has declined from the time I grew up to this era is because people have much higher standards. My son went to a white school, he faced one open incident of racism when the Catholic priest at his school saw some Asian kids and said to them that the place looked like a refugee camp. I,on the other hand was kicked, punched and abused in a white school. Thankfully, I have hardly seen or been the victim of open racism since the late 80s, early 90s.

 

[Technics 1210]

You don't have to tell me that Blacks and Asians aren't racist or can't be racist( often against each other), I have seen and observed it for myself. But that doesn't give white people or any other group a free pass. One of the reasons racism has declined from the time I grew up to this era is because people have much higher standards. My son went to a white school, he faced one open incident of racism when the Catholic priest at his school saw some Asian kids and said to them that the place looked like a refugee camp. I,on the other hand was kicked, punched and abused in a white school. Thankfully, I have hardly seen or been the victim of open racism since the late 80s, early 90s.

Ollie hasn't been given a free pass. His career is all but over.

Racism declined? That's debatable. If you mean actual discrimination based on racism, then yes this has decline. If you mean the perception of racism, which is spear-headed by the media, defined by woke culture, then no.

 

[Bewal Express]

Ollie hasn't been given a free pass. His career is all but over.

Racism declined? That's debatable. If you mean actual discrimination based on racism, then yes this has decline. If you mean the perception of racism, which is spear-headed by the media, defined by woke culture, then no.

I am not sure if you a reading what I am saying. OR has had his punishment and any more serves no purpose in educating him or cutting back bigotry.
I couldn't care less about other people's perception, or the woke culture. I can only speak for myself and I think open racism is rare.

 

[cricket4all]

The thread has gone off track I think because it’s about Robinsons racist and sexist remarks. We already know there are racists, bigots and sexists in all cultures colours whatever.

Robinsons comments were appalling but after being called out (just like Amir for spot fixing) he has apologised, deserves a chance and we should move on,

Saying others are racist etc like desis etc is not the point. Yes off course there are desi, black and brown racists as well who are probably quick to point the finger when they at the receiving end.

However, this incident and thread is about Ollie Robinson and his regretful comments. Just because there are some desis or others who are racist can not be used as a defence or justification for his actions. He is under the spotlight because he is a sportsman in the public eye. He’s apologised so should be given a final chance.

Also, a lot are highlighting only the racist comments but the comments about women have been overshadowed and are quite offensive,

 

[Sherlock]

What 8 years after he said them?

No, if he was employed at that point.

Also it doesn't matter how long you said these things, if you're 18-years-old you should be treated as an adult and he should've been punished one way or another.

If this was any other job he'd be pulled up and either suspended or sacked. Just because it's cricket , and an England international [now] it doesn't hide that fact it shouldn't be ignored.

 

[Gilly]

These tweets are just the ramblings of an uneducated, immature cretin.

TBH the most offensive tweet was the Gary Speed one.

Hopefully the cretin has grown up.

I expected better from you Junaids, you have responded with derogatory remarks about Robinson, how are you any better by lowering your standards to his level.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I expected better from you Junaids, you have responded with derogatory remarks about Robinson, how are you any better by lowering your standards to his level.

How are they derogatory remarks? There is nothing Junaids has said here that is inaccurate.

Making fun of suicide is not funny. And you have to have to either be very immature or have a screw loose in your brain to find it funny.

 

[Gilly]

How are they derogatory remarks? There is nothing Junaids has said here that is inaccurate.

Making fun of suicide is not funny. And you have to have to either be very immature or have a screw loose in your brain to find it funny.

Junaids works in the medical field and knows what cretin means.


Furthermore whatever Robinson did does not allow others to do the same thing as him and abuse another person. Robinson was wrong for making disparaging remarks about others and anyone making disparaging remarks about him are doing the very thing they disagree with.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Teenager made a stupid comment in 2012 . Cant crucify him retrospectively. Hes apologised too. Should be enough. No need to drop him or target him for this.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Junaids works in the medical field and knows what cretin means.


Furthermore whatever Robinson did does not allow others to do the same thing as him and abuse another person. Robinson was wrong for making disparaging remarks about others and anyone making disparaging remarks about him are doing the very thing they disagree with.

Yeah well this is a cricket forum, not a medical forum. Here words have the same meaning that they do for average people.

And I don't know what PG-13 world you live in if you think this is "abuse". Junaids accurately described the mindset of this fool, which he clearly is (since he didn't delete these tweets) and was when he tweeted them.

 

[Gilly]

Yeah well this is a cricket forum, not a medical forum. Here words have the same meaning that they do for average people.

And I don't know what PG-13 world you live in if you think this is "abuse". Junaids accurately described the mindset of this fool, which he clearly is (since he didn't delete these tweets) and was when he tweeted them.

What he tweeted was foolish, no disagreement from me. if you start calling him names then how are you better than him?.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

What he tweeted was foolish, no disagreement from me. if you start calling him names then how are you better than him?.

There's a difference between calling someone names and providing an accurate description of an individual. And this falls under the latter.

 

[Gilly]

There's a difference between calling someone names and providing an accurate description of an individual. And this falls under the latter.

We differ in opinion then, no biggie.
I have made many mistakes in my life and made some foolish decisions so I know one incident does not give an accurate description of an individual.

 

[princeuk]

Some of those comments are disgraceful and if ECB are saying to curb out racism/sexism then its a slap in the face of ECB however once handed out a punishment he should be allowed to play, others might say things behind closed doors and get away with it. Im asian and i do not approve of any of his disgusting comments but he should be allowed to play after rehabilitation.

 

[Saj]

Ollie Robinson's historical racist and sexist tweets are "not acceptable", according to England captain Joe Root.

Posts from 2012 and 2013 were revealed on Wednesday as the pace bowler was making his England debut.

Robinson has apologised and the outcome of an England and Wales Cricket Board investigation is due on Sunday night.

"Ollie had has made a huge mistake," Root told BBC Sport. "He fronted up to the dressing room and the rest of the world, and he's very remorseful."

Sussex pace bowler Robinson, 27, took 7-101 and scored 42 runs in the drawn first Test against New Zealand at Lord's.

On the first morning, England shared a 'moment of unity' with the tourists, with Root's side wearing T-shirts carrying messages of anti-discrimination.

Later that day, posts which Robinson made when he was aged 18 and 19 were shared online.

"It's a lesson to everyone in the game," Root told BBC Test Match Special. "More has to be done, that continued education and learning about how to behave in society and within our sport.

"We've started doing a lot of good work as a team and we'll continue to do that. We want to make the game as inclusive and diverse as we possibly can and we'll continue to keep looking at finding ways to make that possible."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/57377249

 

[Saj]

Ollie Robinson suspended from all international cricket

England and Sussex bowler Ollie Robinson has been suspended from all international cricket pending the outcome of a disciplinary investigation following historic tweets he posted in 2012 and 2013.

He will not be available for selection for the LV= Insurance second Test against New Zealand starting at Edgbaston on Thursday 10 June.

Robinson will leave the England camp immediately and return to his county.

 

[James]

Ollie Robinson actually had a really good debut Test match. Consistently skilful and threatening with the ball, and played a vital hand with the bat. He also demonstrated personal resilience in his conduct throughout the five days.

But the correct action for his misdemeanours has been taken by the ECB, and a formal disciplinary sanction should now be considered: for example, this could be a ban from the England team for 12-24 months.

 

[Double Trouble]

Good decision by the ECB

 

[asadee]

The bigot should be relegated to playing club level cricket again

 

[90MPH]

The guy seems genuinely remorseful and seems a better changed person.

Yes give him a small punishment to send a message but he shouldn’t be crucified forever.

It’s easy to become judgemental these days as we have now become a reactionary society thanks to online social media.

1 match ban, a fine and then he should be free to play again.

 

[Hasan123]

His pathetic comments may cost him a chance to play against India. He had a good debut but his previous tweets have overshadowed all of that.

 

[Smbhayi]

It'll be a joke if he suspended for a 8 year old tweets..

 

[Smbhayi]

I believe swan and company run a twitter account against KP, did they suspended for that?

 

[James]

I believe swan and company run a twitter account against KP, did they suspended for that?

No, but the context that sits behind that one is an England dressing room where Swann, Prior, Broad, and Anderson had become way too powerful in all matters pertaining to the team, and meanwhile the coach Andy Flower had completely lost control of what was going on.
Flower himself had also been elevated to “England Team Director” by this point, which gave him much more influence than any England coach who came before or after him, and he had also of course fallen out with KP for good.
The senior ECB administrators eventually chose to get a series of binding non-disclosure agreements drawn up by their lawyers, to ensure that none of the finer details of what was essentially an embarrassing failure of leadership amidst awful on-field performances and a probable workplace bullying episode were ever made public.
Basically the whole thing was a bureaucratic disgrace.

The ECB is under different management entirely now, and the discipline is far tighter. Hence the more professional handling of gross errors in judgment and poor conduct — for example when they have had to deal with Alex Hales and Ben Stokes in the past, and now it seems Ollie Robinson as well.