Only brahmins can speak about Hindu religion, not Modi: Congress leader

[gazza619]

NEW DELHI: The Congress has been dragged into another controversy after a video surfaced on Thursday in which senior party leader CP Joshi is purportedly heard saying that "only brahmins are learned enough to speak about Hinduism."

In a video tweeted by a BJP MLA Harsh Sanghavi, the Congress leader is heard slamming PM Modi, Uma Bharti and Sadhvi Rithambara for speaking about Hinduism.

"Does anyone know what is the caste of Uma Bharti? What is the caste of Sadhvi Ritambhara? In this country, if anyone knows about religion, it is the pandits and the brahmins," he says adding, "It is strange that Uma Bharti, who is of the Lodh samaj is talking about Hindu religion, Sadhviji is of some religion and she is talking about Hindu religion, Narendra Modiji is of some other religion and he is talking about Hindus."

The Congress leader uses the term 'religion' while mentioning PM Modi. However, his intended reference is perhaps to "caste" as he starts his sentence asking the caste of the leaders. Subsequently he also refers to Uma Bharti's caste before using the word "religion".

On Wednesday, a video of Kamal Nath had surfaced in Madhya Pradesh in which he was seen talking about 90 per cent voting by Muslims to win elections.

While the BJP petitioned the Election Commission against the "open Muslim appeasement" of the Congress, Kamal Nath played down the issue and said “Those who are demanding legal action against me for allegedly violating the Model Code of Conduct by inciting religious sentiments to appeal for votes have lost their senses in the politics of religion.”

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-uma-bharti-cp-joshi/articleshow/66755497.cms

 

[PakLFC]

I thought Modi was a Brahmin

 

[troodon]

I thought Modi was a Brahmin

Modi is from backward caste community.

All hail secular India.

 

[enkidu_]

Modi is from backward caste community.

All hail secular India.

Being OBC is very relative, there are many Brahmin, Rajput, etc OBCs depending on the geography/situation, Modi is a Vaishya AFAIK.

 

[DesiMunda]

Being OBC is very relative, there are many Brahmin, Rajput, etc OBCs depending on the geography/situation, Modi is a Vaishya AFAIK.

Brahmin & Rajput OBC ? First time I'm hearing of this.

 

[TM Riddle]

Being OBC is very relative, there are many Brahmin, Rajput, etc OBCs depending on the geography/situation, Modi is a Vaishya AFAIK.

Which Rajputs are there in the OBC?

 

[TM Riddle]

Being OBC is very relative, there are many Brahmin, Rajput, etc OBCs depending on the geography/situation, Modi is a Vaishya AFAIK.

Not that it matters but Modiji comes from a caste of hereditary Telis(a backward caste).
You are confusing him with merchant Modis(baniyas).

 

[aukhan]

Modi is achoot?

 

[enkidu_]

Brahmin & Rajput OBC ? First time I'm hearing of this.

Yes, here's the website of GoI's national commission for backward classes, you can click on different states and see Brahmins there :

http://www.ncbc.nic.in/user_panel/centralliststateview.aspx

Being OBC is more about socio-economics, so you can find all types of castes.

Not that it matters but Modiji comes from a caste of hereditary Telis(a backward caste).
You are confusing him with merchant Modis(baniyas).

(...)
He explained the “Modh Ghanchis” are not of “Teli” caste like the Muslim Ghanchis of Gujarat who enjoy OBC status. They are “Vaishyas”. He also quoted from the authentic Gujarati lexicon ‘Bhagvadgomandal’, which says the Modh are rich people living in a particular village. Gandhiji was a “modh vanik”, he said.

Modh is an adjective showing the prosperity status of a particular caste or community. “By acquiring OBC status for his selfish motives, Modi has in fact encroached upon the right of members of OBC. Modi is a man born in upper caste and indulging in low level politics. A man’s actions have nothing to do with his caste. The best example of this was Dr BR Ambedkar,” Gohil said.

https://www.dnaindia.com/india/repo...ories-in-1994-says-gujarat-government-1986389

 

[TM Riddle]

Yes, here's the website of GoI's national commission for backward classes, you can click on different states and see Brahmins there :

http://www.ncbc.nic.in/user_panel/centralliststateview.aspx

Being OBC is more about socio-economics, so you can find all types of castes.





https://www.dnaindia.com/india/repo...ories-in-1994-says-gujarat-government-1986389

No 'real' Rajput or Brahmin comes under OBC in northern India. Thanks to sanskritization, many lower castes started claiming Rajput and Brahmin ancestry hence this issue.

For instance there are many Schedule Castes(traditionally Dalits) which use the older Rajput surnames such as Chauhan, Solanki, Parmar etc.

Similarly in Rajasthan many people of carpenter caste(Khati) have adopted the Sharma surname. Doesn't mean they are Brahmins.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Isn't what he says largely true? Of course every caste can have an opinion, but as the quality that elevates the Brahmin above other castes is knowledge and pedigree, surely it is only logical that they would be the ones learned enough to speak with authority on Hinduism.

 

[TM Riddle]

Yes, here's the website of GoI's national commission for backward classes, you can click on different states and see Brahmins there :

http://www.ncbc.nic.in/user_panel/centralliststateview.aspx

Being OBC is more about socio-economics, so you can find all types of castes.





https://www.dnaindia.com/india/repo...ories-in-1994-says-gujarat-government-1986389

Modi comes from a backward class. I know Shakti Singh Gohil personally and he's playing plain politics here.

 

[TM Riddle]

Modi is achoot?

Not really.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

Isn't what he says largely true? Of course every caste can have an opinion, but as the quality that elevates the Brahmin above other castes is knowledge and pedigree, surely it is only logical that they would be the ones learned enough to speak with authority on Hinduism.

Really, I guess casteism is the same as racism and perhaps even classism, where differences within groups is greater than between groups. There's gotta be some dumb Brahmin, and genius Dalit, it beggars belief that that would not be the case.

 

[troodon]

Modi is achoot?

Many backward castes are financially backward. Some are socially backward.

Backward and other backward castes are not untouchables. Dalits are untouchables.

 

[troodon]

Isn't what he says largely true? Of course every caste can have an opinion, but as the quality that elevates the Brahmin above other castes is knowledge and pedigree, surely it is only logical that they would be the ones learned enough to speak with authority on Hinduism.

It used to be that case. Now many non-Brahmins are priests in temples.

You can learn vedas and become a priest.

 

[aukhan]

Many backward castes are financially backward. Some are socially backward.

Backward and other backward castes are not untouchables. Dalits are untouchables.

ok thanks for the info.

 

[srh]

NEW DELHI: The Congress has been dragged into another controversy after a video surfaced on Thursday in which senior party leader CP Joshi is purportedly heard saying that "only brahmins are learned enough to speak about Hinduism."

In a video tweeted by a BJP MLA Harsh Sanghavi, the Congress leader is heard slamming PM Modi, Uma Bharti and Sadhvi Rithambara for speaking about Hinduism.

"Does anyone know what is the caste of Uma Bharti? What is the caste of Sadhvi Ritambhara? In this country, if anyone knows about religion, it is the pandits and the brahmins," he says adding, "It is strange that Uma Bharti, who is of the Lodh samaj is talking about Hindu religion, Sadhviji is of some religion and she is talking about Hindu religion, Narendra Modiji is of some other religion and he is talking about Hindus."

The Congress leader uses the term 'religion' while mentioning PM Modi. However, his intended reference is perhaps to "caste" as he starts his sentence asking the caste of the leaders. Subsequently he also refers to Uma Bharti's caste before using the word "religion".

On Wednesday, a video of Kamal Nath had surfaced in Madhya Pradesh in which he was seen talking about 90 per cent voting by Muslims to win elections.

While the BJP petitioned the Election Commission against the "open Muslim appeasement" of the Congress, Kamal Nath played down the issue and said “Those who are demanding legal action against me for allegedly violating the Model Code of Conduct by inciting religious sentiments to appeal for votes have lost their senses in the politics of religion.”

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-uma-bharti-cp-joshi/articleshow/66755497.cms

all this caste stuff is a joke; a religion based on caste should not have survived that long

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It used to be that case. Now many non-Brahmins are priests in temples.

You can learn vedas and become a priest.

Which basically undermines caste hierarchy and consequently Hindu religion where the caste formed a fundamental structure.

 

[Saeed]

Never knew he belonged to an inferior caste. If he did what he did to muslims of gujarat to brahmins he would have been in jail.

 

[enkidu_]

Which basically undermines caste hierarchy and consequently Hindu religion where the caste formed a fundamental structure.

true :

Twitter boss angers Hindus during India trip

A row has erupted in India after a photo of Twitter boss Jack Dorsey holding a poster that criticised the Brahmin, the most revered Hindu caste, went viral on social media.

He was photographed holding a picture of a woman waving a banner which read "smash the Brahminical patriarchy" during a trip to the nation last week.

Dorsey was posing with a group of female journalists and Vijaya Gadde, Twitter’s head of legal and safety in India.

Notable Indians, including a high ranking officer in the Indian Police Force, Sandeep Mittal, suggested the photo was so inflammatory it could spark political chaos across the nation.

“Do you realise that this picture has potential of causing communal riots at a time when several States are going to Assembly Elections in India. Even now an apology is not offered. Actually it's a fit case for registration of a criminal case for attempt to de-stablise the nation,” he wrote under the photo.
(...)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/11/20/twitter-boss-angers-hindus-india-trip/

 

[CCAD]

all this caste stuff is a joke; a religion based on caste should not have survived that long

The religion isn’t based on cast. The cast was supposed to serve a certain purpose and it wasn’t meant to be that if you are born in a particular cast your that cast. If someone was well versed in scriptures they become a Pandit etc.. But overtime humans corrupt and start forming regid rules and corrupt their religion. As it happena with all religions.

 

[enkidu_]

The religion isn’t based on cast. The cast was supposed to serve a certain purpose and it wasn’t meant to be that if you are born in a particular cast your that cast. If someone was well versed in scriptures they become a Pandit etc.. But overtime humans corrupt and start forming regid rules and corrupt their religion. As it happena with all religions.

the caste/varna system is literally linked with Hindu cosmogony (mythologies about the creation of the world), namely with Brahmins being from the "head" of the Purusha (primordial cosmic being) and so on, that's what you find in literally the oldest (in theory) revealed (shruti) book dear to Hindoos, the Rig-Veda :

11 When they divided Puruṣa how many portions did they make?
What do they call his mouth, his arms? What do they call his thighs and feet?
12 The Brahman was his mouth, of both his arms was the Rājanya made.
His thighs became the Vaiśya, from his feet the Śūdra was produced.

and in the Brahamas (shruti/parts on Vedic texts) you find this :

And whilst not coming into contact with Sûdras and remains of food; for this Gharma is he that shines yonder, and he is excellence, truth, and light; but woman, the Sûdra, the dog, and the black bird (the crow), are untruth: he should not look at these, lest he should mingle excellence and sin, light and darkness, truth and untruth.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbr/sbe44/sbe44117.htm

Then later texts (smriti, like Manu's laws) would elaborate on that, but no one denies the legitimacy of caste system from a Hindu pov, even if many argue that post-Gupta period the caste fluidity became more restrained and associated with birth, but these are modernistic interpretations due to British intellectual and cultural pressure, before the British no sane and devout Hindoo would have cast an evil eye on the Manu-smriti, and that's what's written for instance :

411. (Some wealthy) Brahmana shall compassionately support both a Kshatriya and a Vaisya, if they are distressed for a livelihood, employing them on work (which is suitable for) their (castes).

412. But a Brahmana who, because he is powerful, out of greed makes initiated (men of the) twice-born (castes) against their will do the work of slaves, shall be fined by the king six hundred (panas).

413. But a Sudra, whether bought or unbought, he may compel to do servile work; for he was created by the Self-existent (Svayambhu) to be the slave of a Brahmana.

414. A Sudra, though emancipated by his master, is not released from servitude; since that is innate in him, who can set him free from it?

415. There are slaves of seven kinds, (viz.) he who is made a captive under a standard, he who serves for his daily food, he who is born in the house, he who is bought and he who is given, he who is inherited from ancestors, and he who is enslaved by way of punishment.

416. A wife, a son, and a slave, these three are declared to have no property; the wealth which they earn is (acquired) for him to whom they belong.

417. A Brahmana may confidently seize the goods of (his) Sudra (slave); for, as that (slave) can have no property, his master may take his possessions.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/manu/manu08.htm

 

[Akki malhotra]

the caste/varna system is literally linked with Hindu cosmogony (mythologies about the creation of the world), namely with Brahmins being from the "head" of the Purusha (primordial cosmic being) and so on, that's what you find in literally the oldest (in theory) revealed (shruti) book dear to Hindoos, the Rig-Veda :



and in the Brahamas (shruti/parts on Vedic texts) you find this :



http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbr/sbe44/sbe44117.htm

Then later texts (smriti, like Manu's laws) would elaborate on that, but no one denies the legitimacy of caste system from a Hindu pov, even if many argue that post-Gupta period the caste fluidity became more restrained and associated with birth, but these are modernistic interpretations due to British intellectual and cultural pressure, before the British no sane and devout Hindoo would have cast an evil eye on the Manu-smriti, and that's what's written for instance :



http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/manu/manu08.htm

You dnt have stamina to know hinduism. Loll lot of invaders since centuries cud not convert only this whole region because they cant even figure out where is the head of this religion. Good luck.

As per the things stated by you. Then i am afriad indian constitution is against hinduism and that itself speaks a lot. Budhism,hinduism,sikhism, jainism etc many religions have taken birth in this holy land.

Modi is from backward class. So as our president . You know he is shudra ?? Our president ? Anyway leave it.nobody gives a hoot about manusmriti.
Stop being negative somewhere atleast

 

[DeadBall]

Modi is achoot?

Come on now, no need for name calling.

 

[enkidu_]

You dnt have stamina to know hinduism. Loll lot of invaders since centuries cud not convert only this whole region because they cant even figure out where is the head of this religion. Good luck.

As per the things stated by you. Then i am afriad indian constitution is against hinduism and that itself speaks a lot. Budhism,hinduism,sikhism, jainism etc many religions have taken birth in this holy land.

Modi is from backward class. So as our president . You know he is shudra ?? Our president ? Anyway leave it.nobody gives a hoot about manusmriti.
Stop being negative somewhere atleast

Well Hinduism has literally been shaped by some of these invaders (Aryans), and yes, it just proves that Indian sickularism is an anti-Hindoo agenda.

Also I don't think that you should disrespect the Manu-smriti that way, it has inspired and continues to inspire hundreds of millions of pious and devout Hindoos.

Isn't being negative about negatives being positive at the end ?

 

[aukhan]

Come on now, no need for name calling.

Namecalling? Thats hindus caste.

 

[Reddy]

Namecalling? Thats hindus caste.

there is no caste name with that name, that world is a slur, just like some people call Pak* in England.

 

[DeadBall]

there is no caste name with that name, that world is a slur, just like some people call Pak* in England.

Really? I was just reading it the way it was spelled and thought of a not so nice word.