Other than the 444 in the last game - when else has our bowling been absolutely crushed?

[msb314]

Not just with the sheer magntitude of runs conceded but generally when else has our bowling been torn apart?

NZ scored 370 against us back in 2015

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/749797.html

However our bowling attack consisted of Bhatti, Irfan, YK, Haris and Shehzad that day!

SAF put on 392 against us back in 2007 - when such huge scores were not even the norm. Rana Naved was hammered all over the park that day - back when he was a great bowler.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/250668.html


Although India "only chased 329 against us in the 2012 Asia Cup - Kohli totally eviscerated our bowling and took the attack to our very own Wabby
His 22 fours was a record I think and that was when our bowling consisted of an in-form Ajmal, Hafeez, Afridi and Gul!

Any others examples?

 

[Statsman]

Next game against England.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Kohli's masterclass inning. He massacred Pakistani bowling that day.

That day I realized Wahab was a brainless bowler.

 

[msb314]

Kohli's masterclass inning. He massacred Pakistani bowling that day.

That day I realized Wahab was a brainless bowler.

That is actually true - that was his first "bad" bowling performance.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Karachi Odis against England in 2000 and against India in 2003 I think. Pakistan lost both matches despite scoring 300+.

The one against England was particularly painful to watch. They had a mediocre batting unit and Pakistan's bowling was top class.

 

[The_Odd_One]

That is actually true - that was his first "bad" bowling performance.

Still remember those half volleys which Kohli feasted on.

 

[msb314]

Karachi Odis against England in 2000 and against India in 2003 I think. Pakistan lost both matches despite scoring 300+.

The one against England was particularly painful to watch. They had a mediocre batting unit and Pakistan's bowling was top class.

Yes - the game you are referring to is this:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/64673.html

Razzaq played a blinder but Flintoff just chased out of his skin that day. 300+ was rare back then but to chase 300+ was even more remarkable in that era.

The India game you are referring to was the 1st ODI of the Samsung series in Karachi in 2004.

Shoaib Akhtar's first over took 13 balls to complete lol summed up how bad we bowled but Inzy got us real close that day - that the time it was the highest score batting 2nd in an ODI so I was quite proud of our effort that day! Here is the scorecard:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/64880.html

 

[The_Odd_One]

In 2000 Karachi ODI against England, Wasim and Razzaq went over 7 rpo, Waqar almost 7, and Saqlain and Mushtaq over 5.

This was a tremendous bowling attack and England chased down 309 I think in 47 overs with the batting unit of Trescothick, Stewart, Hussain, Thorpe, Hick, and debutant Flintoff.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Yes - the game you are referring to is this:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/64673.html

Razzaq played a blinder but Flintoff just chased out of his skin that day. 300+ was rare back then but to chase 300+ was even more remarkable in that era.

The India game you are referring to was the 1st ODI of the Samsung series in Karachi in 2004.

Shoaib Akhtar's first over took 13 balls to complete lol summed up how bad we bowled but Inzy got us real close that day - that the time it was the highest score batting 2nd in an ODI so I was quite proud of our effort that day! Here is the scorecard:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/64880.html

Pakistan could have actually tied it vs India. I remember Moin got the easiest of last ball which was a full toss. In his prime, he would have definitely dispatched it for 6 but sadly he was way past his prime in 2004.

 

[msb314]

Pakistan could have actually tied it vs India. I remember Moin got the easiest of last ball which was a full toss. In his prime, he would have definitely dispatched it for 6 but sadly he was way past his prime in 2004.

Yess!

that brings back nostalgic memories (when we were actually good in ODI's)

I think the bowler was Zaheer Khan and yeah it was full toss where he skied to mid-off and Kaif took a diving catch.

 

[msb314]

Pakistan could have actually tied it vs India. I remember Moin got the easiest of last ball which was a full toss. In his prime, he would have definitely dispatched it for 6 but sadly he was way past his prime in 2004.

Actually - we needed 6 to win off the last ball.

Had Moin hit a six - we would have won!

 

[The_Odd_One]

Actually - we needed 6 to win off the last ball.

Had Moin hit a six - we would have won!

It was worse than the delivery that Chetan Sharma bowled to Miandad and about the same level which Steve Waugh bowled to Asif Mujtaba for the last ball 6.

 

[Statsman]

England is changing the dynamics of ODI cricket. They smashed the NZ bowling attack which isn't really that bad. Poorer ones stand no chance.

 

[KyoOne]

Not many times it seems.

Till 2011, our pace battery had been quite decent. Post-2011 WC, Ajmal and Hafeez led the way with their disciplined bowing. Its only their bans that downward spiral of our bowling set in

More such thrashings on the way it seems, especially in the next 3, 4 series

 

[aloo paratha]

We've gotten one in almost every series after the World Cup.

329 Against BD
Zimbabwe scored like 330 or something in Lahore as well
Sri Lanka scored 350 or something in the 5th ODI
England scored a massive amount against us in UAE
Which brings us to 444 was Engalnd in their backyard

"best bowling attack in the world"

 

[Tusker]

All 325+ scores conceded by Pak. Lost all but 3 of them

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=bowl;template=results;type=team;view=innings

 

[Tusker]

And this one gives all matches where bowling team conceeded > 300

India has won most matches after conceding 300+ runs.

 

[msb314]

We've gotten one in almost every series after the World Cup.

329 Against BD
Zimbabwe scored like 330 or something in Lahore as well
Sri Lanka scored 350 or something in the 5th ODI
England scored a massive amount against us in UAE
Which brings us to 444 was Engalnd in their backyard

"best bowling attack in the world"

In the Bangla game - we chased well until the middle overs when HAris got out. Pitch was a belter for sure.

Same goes for the ODI when England scored 355 against us - we were chasing at 8 RPO until we lost Babar and our chase fell apart.

The Zimbabwe game I would say was an anomaly since we scored 375 against them anyway and won that game.

Point is these were all flat decks so I won't blame our bowlers so much. We started chasing well in all of these games but lost it in the middle overs.

I would actually add that one of the worst bowling demolitions of ours was NZ at Pakallele during the 2011 WC. We conceded 108 runs during the last 5 overs!!

 

[ahaseeb]

All 325+ scores conceded by Pak. Lost all but 3 of them

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=bowl;template=results;type=team;view=innings

I watched that match live along with Yasir Hameed Brother. What a match it was. Friday. Unfortunately, it was the last international played on this ground

 

[msb314]

All 325+ scores conceded by Pak. Lost all but 3 of them

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=bowl;template=results;type=team;view=innings

Thanks for the stats but how many of these games were true demolitions of our bowling rather than batting reasonable well on a flat track?

I.e. we scores 353 against NZ in 2014 at Sharjah. However, we did not take their bowlers to the cleaners since the pitch was flat as the sidewalk outside my apartment.

Case in point - SAF scored 416 against WI during the 2015 WC. Jason Holder had conceded only 9 runs off his first 5 overs. However, at the death - he conceded 96 runs off his last 5 overs!!!

THAT was a demolition.

 

[msb314]

I watched that match live along with Yasir Hameed Brother. What a match it was. Friday. Unfortunately, it was the last international played on this ground

I am assuming you are referring to the Peshawar game?

It was a wonderful chase for us and a great win!

However, I was slightly dissappointed that we couldn't finish the chase off and had to win by DL.

 

[leatherface58]

In the Bangla game - we chased well until the middle overs when HAris got out. Pitch was a belter for sure.

Same goes for the ODI when England scored 355 against us - we were chasing at 8 RPO until we lost Babar and our chase fell apart.

The Zimbabwe game I would say was an anomaly since we scored 375 against them anyway and won that game.

Point is these were all flat decks so I won't blame our bowlers so much. We started chasing well in all of these games but lost it in the middle overs.

I would actually add that one of the worst bowling demolitions of ours was NZ at Pakallele during the 2011 WC. We conceded 108 runs during the last 5 overs!!

Bowling was atrocious and Taylor ended Akhtar's career but you had Kamran the great in your side. He dropped 2 catches (Did not go for one) and might have missed a stumping. I cannot believe some justify his inclusion in the side and call themselves Pakistanis.

 

[msb314]

Bowling was atrocious and Taylor ended Akhtar's career but you had Kamran the great in your side. He dropped 2 catches (Did not go for one) and might have missed a stumping. I cannot believe some justify his inclusion in the side and call themselves Pakistanis.

Catches/stumping aside - bowling was atrocious (as you said yourself)

Credit however must go to Ross Taylor who tore apart Akhtar and Razzaq during the death overs - still have to put they away.

 

[leatherface58]

Catches/stumping aside - bowling was atrocious (as you said yourself)

Credit however must go to Ross Taylor who tore apart Akhtar and Razzaq during the death overs - still have to put they away.

He was completely clueless prior to the death overs. Struggling like he was getting out any ball and then boom outta nowhere, he and Oram (initially Nathan McCullum) went radio freakin' rental.

 

[BDfanforever]

Thanks for the stats but how many of these games were true demolitions of our bowling rather than batting reasonable well on a flat track?

I.e. we scores 353 against NZ in 2014 at Sharjah. However, we did not take their bowlers to the cleaners since the pitch was flat as the sidewalk outside my apartment.

Case in point - SAF scored 416 against WI during the 2015 WC. Jason Holder had conceded only 9 runs off his first 5 overs. However, at the death - he conceded 96 runs off his last 5 overs!!!

THAT was a demolition.

Dude, so you basically want to know when pakistan conceded lots of run in a green top pitch?

Scoring 375 or 500 in a flat pitch is your bowlers getting hammered. Who cares if a team scores 150 in last 10 overs.

Bottomline, the person you responded to has answered your question.

 

[msb314]

Dude, so you basically want to know when pakistan conceded lots of run in a green top pitch?

Scoring 375 or 500 in a flat pitch is your bowlers getting hammered. Who cares if a team scores 150 in last 10 overs.

Bottomline, the person you responded to has answered your question.

Yep pretty much - or even a pitch that had something in it for the bowlers.

The Trent Bridge pitch was flat but was definitely not a 444 run pitch....

 

[khan-92]

When Pakistan was world champions bowling attack of Wasim, Waqar, Aqib & Mushtaq was slaughtered in Nottingham as well http://m.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/65005.html

Over 350 scored which was very rare back then.

 

[saeedhk]

A very poor bowling attack that has been unnecessarily hyped up. Our bowling, for the past half a decade, has been on par with India. India currently boasts a better ODI bowling attack!

 

[Amoeba]

When Pakistan was world champions bowling attack of Wasim, Waqar, Aqib & Mushtaq was slaughtered in Nottingham as well http://m.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/65005.html

Over 350 scored which was very rare back then.

Although with Makik as captain that game has to be considered dubious with the bowlers more than complicit.

 

[Indiafan]

Yep pretty much - or even a pitch that had something in it for the bowlers.

The Trent Bridge pitch was flat but was definitely not a 444 run pitch....

Not even Indian bowlers concede so much on pitches with something in them

 

[ahaseeb]

I am assuming you are referring to the Peshawar game?

It was a wonderful chase for us and a great win!

However, I was slightly dissappointed that we couldn't finish the chase off and had to win by DL.

Yes that was the game.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Not even Indian bowlers concede so much on pitches with something in them

India has a wonderful track record of conceding back to back 300+ totals consistently in a series. Didn't you concede 300+ every match in the latest series vs England infront of your home crowd? How did the legendary pace quartet let England score 366 while chasing 380 odd AT HOME?

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[Pete Rose]

It's unfair but any time Pakistan concedes more than 250, it has failed. Because the batting can only peak to a score of 250