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"Our ODI bowling attack is one of the best in the world" : Sarfaraz Ahmed

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The Pakistan skipper speaking after today's match:

"As far as our Test performance is concerned, you can say we were inexperienced and that showed"

"Our ODI team is very strong and has been pretty much the same team since the time I was appointed captain"

"We are focused on achieving a 5-0 result"

"Yes, we can say that our ODI bowling attack is one of the best in the world"

"In the Champions Trophy we bowled out top tier teams for 240 etc and we have carried on in the same way here"

"We must praise Hasan Ali for his outstanding bowling and also congratulate him for becoming Number one ODI bowler today"

"Main thing is Pakistan bowlers are performing well and our bench strength is getting better and better"

"Playing in Sharjah has always been special as when we were young we would watch our star players perform in Sharjah on TV, and now we are playing on the same ground"

"What I like about Hasan is that when he bowls, he bowls to take wickets"

"Hasan Ali is becoming a better bowler with every wicket he takes"

"It's always tough when an important bowler like Hafeez has such issues but he has been through this process before and he will fix his action again"

"Babar Azam cannot be compared to legends like Javed Miandad but if he continues performing like this then one day he will be a legend for Pakistan"
 
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One of the best? It is the best in the world at what it does. What it does is humiliate certain overrated teams on the biggest stages and tramples everyone who dares to challenge it. :kohli

Eagerly awaiting to see Hassan, Amir, Junaid and co go Kiwi hunting in December.
 
It's the best ODI attack in the world.

Depth, quality, and variation.
 
One of the best? It is the best in the world at what it does. What it does is humiliate certain overrated teams on the biggest stages and tramples everyone who dares to challenge it. :kohli

Eagerly awaiting to see Hassan, Amir, Junaid and co go Kiwi hunting in December.

Remember the India 10:0 Pakistan ICC faceoff record? Wonder how one CT Final match would change everything and make our Pak brothers forget the previous records against India in ICC events?
 
Remember the India 10:0 Pakistan ICC faceoff record? Wonder how one CT Final match would change everything and make our Pak brothers forget the previous records against India in ICC events?

None of it was in the final of any tournament and defeat was never this in terms of margin.

CT17 final and losing it with the margin of 180 runs has a much higher magnitude than any of the previous matches.
 
Remember the India 10:0 Pakistan ICC faceoff record? Wonder how one CT Final match would change everything and make our Pak brothers forget the previous records against India in ICC events?

That was in WC not CT.

PAK have beaten Ind in CT multiple times before.
 
None of it was in the final of any tournament and defeat was never this in terms of margin.

CT17 final and losing it with the margin of 180 runs has a much higher magnitude than any of the previous matches.

Did you forget the World T20 final 2007? Oh yes! CT Final is the only match that matters to our brothers. I rest my case here !
 
Did you forget the World T20 final 2007? Oh yes! CT Final is the only match that matters to our brothers. I rest my case here !

Do you remember how close the 2007 World T20 Final was? India won by a 5-6 runs.

Now remember the CT Final which happened 4 months ago? Pakistan humiliated India by 180 runs! :))

I rest my case here!
 
Totally agree with him.

It's one of the best, if not the best attack.

Remember no Amir this series either.
 
Remember the India 10:0 Pakistan ICC faceoff record? Wonder how one CT Final match would change everything and make our Pak brothers forget the previous records against India in ICC events?

Yes but the thread is about the current Pakistani bowling attack which is not relevant to the 10:0 right? :danish
 
Every bowler is creating pressure. Having Hafeez as a bowler has added a new dimension to the team altogether and losing Hafeez will be detrimental to the bowling attack.

But other stronger teams will give a much sterner test for sure.
 
Did you forget the World T20 final 2007? Oh yes! CT Final is the only match that matters to our brothers. I rest my case here !

I was talking about 50 overs tournuments neverthless do you think defeat by around 4 runs in T20 is equal to 180 runs in 50 overs match. 😂
 
Why are our neighbors so defensive and get triggerd so easily?
 
It's a see saw for pak fans.

When winning, it's the best in the world.

When losing, "we are at absolute bottom and only way is up."

Pakistani people are more emotional than indian me thinks.
 
Every bowler is creating pressure. Having Hafeez as a bowler has added a new dimension to the team altogether and losing Hafeez will be detrimental to the bowling attack.

But other stronger teams will give a much sterner test for sure.

Come on Hafeez isn't the back vine of our bowling attack. He only scared these young SL bats because they are all left handers and he had to push the limits to achieve that.

The bowling attack can survive well without Hafeez.
 
It's a see saw for pak fans.

When winning, it's the best in the world.

When losing, "we are at absolute bottom and only way is up."

Pakistani people are more emotional than indian me thinks.
Which bowling attack is much better than the one Pakistan is putting out right now?
 
Every bowler is creating pressure. Having Hafeez as a bowler has added a new dimension to the team altogether and losing Hafeez will be detrimental to the bowling attack.

But other stronger teams will give a much sterner test for sure.

I guess more than Hafeez, it was the comeback of Amir, revival of Junaid (post injury) and arrival of Hassan, Shadab and Imad in the one day setup along with Rumman and Faheem as back up is what resulted in this performance.

Hafeez undeniably is important part of the bowling unit but his availability or non availability to bowl is not going to make a huge difference now which unfortunately it did in 2015.. Hopefully he will be cleared but, if not than Malik is a good offy for lefties. But, our bowling attack is an extremely potent one with or without hafeez.
 
It's a see saw for pak fans.

When winning, it's the best in the world.

When losing, "we are at absolute bottom and only way is up."

Pakistani people are more emotional than indian me thinks.

A non biased Indian would agree with Sarfi as well, cause what he said is true.
 
I guess more than Hafeez, it was the comeback of Amir, revival of Junaid (post injury) and arrival of Hassan, Shadab and Imad in the one day setup along with Rumman and Faheem as back up is what resulted in this performance.

Hafeez undeniably is important part of the bowling unit but his availability or non availability to bowl is not going to make a huge difference now which unfortunately it did in 2015.. Hopefully he will be cleared but, if not than Malik is a good offy for lefties. But, our bowling attack is an extremely potent one with or without hafeez.
Idk, Imad can play the same role as Hafeez with the ball. As for off-spin, Malik can do the job. Or even Babar and Imam if they are developed.

As for Hafeez's batting, we have better options. Such as Haris.
 
It's a see saw for pak fans.

When winning, it's the best in the world.

When losing, "we are at absolute bottom and only way is up."

Pakistani people are more emotional than indian me thinks.

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Which bowling attack is better? :ashwin
 
Which bowling attack is much better than the one Pakistan is putting out right now?

A non biased Indian would agree with Sarfi as well, cause what he said is true.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="ht" dir="ltr">Pak bowlers last 8 ODIs:<br>S Lanka 173 all out<br>S Lanka 208 ao<br>S Lanka 187 ao<br>S Lanka 209/8<br>Ind 158 ao<br>Eng 211 ao<br>S Lanka 236 ao<br>S Africa 219/8</p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/921416021092765696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Which bowling attack is better? :ashwin

I think I am misunderstood here.

I neither said anything about whether Pakistan bowling was the best nor worse.

The post was more in the lines of emotions that runs through the fans minds.

As for me, Pakistan bowling shines always in meaningless odis (in fact Pakistan is the best in this regards), where as in tournaments it goes missing as soon as pressure comes in. Kinda like how amla performs.
 
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I think I am misunderstood here.

I neither said anything about whether Pakistan bowling was the best nor worse.

The post was more in the lines of emotions that runs through the fans minds.

As for me, Pakistan bowling shines always in meaningless odis where as in tournaments (in fact Pakistan is the best in this regards), it goes missing as soon as pressure comes in. Kinda like how amla performs.

For me there is one guy in particular who goes missing as soon as pressure comes in.

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:amir2
 
I think I am misunderstood here.

I neither said anything about whether Pakistan bowling was the best nor worse.

The post was more in the lines of emotions that runs through the fans minds.

As for me, Pakistan bowling shines always in meaningless odis (in fact Pakistan is the best in this regards), where as in tournaments it goes missing as soon as pressure comes in. Kinda like how amla performs.

Again the discussion is about the current bowling attack and lineup and we know what happened when it last played in a tournament. :amir3

Yes, fans do get overly emotional at times. We are deeply attached to our cricket. :yk2
 
They'll have to prove themselves on true pitches. Even though it's more difficult to take wickets on dead wickets, you can get away with erring in accuracy.
 
It is a good bowling attack for now but only last year they were getting thrashed in England and Australia so I'd wait and watch if this is a purple patch or not. There certainly is a lot of variety and it's much more interesting bowling attack than when it was carried by chuckers. I think Pakistan have a slew of bowlers to choose from for every kind of wicket and thus they are probably better overall than any other ODI attack .
 
They'll have to prove themselves on true pitches. Even though it's more difficult to take wickets on dead wickets, you can get away with erring in accuracy.

Even on true wickets, I think only a full strength Australian attack or a Saffer one might be better than this.
 
Even on true wickets, I think only a full strength Australian attack or a Saffer one might be better than this.

SA are lacking 3rd and 5th option in ODIs so they're probably even. If Pakistan introduce another bowler like Hasan and Amir then we'd be able to compete with Australia but they're comfortably ahead right now.
 
For me there is one guy in particular who goes missing as soon as pressure comes in.

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:amir2

Definitely. He has failed in big matches time and time again. Not a pressure player.

But I don't see how it is relevant to the post that I wrote above.
 
Again the discussion is about the current bowling attack and lineup.

If you take current performance as a measure, then any team facing SL will have the best bowling attack.

X has the best bowling attack (which is playing vs SL currently.)

This X = Any team.
 
They'll have to prove themselves on true pitches. Even though it's more difficult to take wickets on dead wickets, you can get away with erring in accuracy.

England's ODI wickets though are as dead as they come and we proved ourselves there in the CT. We were the only attack to get anything from the conditions and got appreciable reverse swing during those middle overs.

Its a complete attack with lots of variety. Pace (although maybe you could have one out and out quick who regularly clocks 145kph), swing, reverse swing, economical spinners as well as matchwinning, wicket-taking spin options. If we don't bowl a team out, we can restrict them to low totals.

NZ will be a challenge though with the short boundaries and ground dimensions.
 
England's ODI wickets though are as dead as they come and we proved ourselves there in the CT. We were the only attack to get anything from the conditions and got appreciable reverse swing during those middle overs.

Its a complete attack with lots of variety. Pace (although maybe you could have one out and out quick who regularly clocks 145kph), swing, reverse swing, economical spinners as well as matchwinning, wicket-taking spin options. If we don't bowl a team out, we can restrict them to low totals.

NZ will be a challenge though with the short boundaries and ground dimensions.

We played on two true pitches in the tourney, both against India. I know Hasan and Amir will show up. Not confident about the rest. We'll see if they can tie down batsmen when margin for error is decreased to 2-3 feet.
 
South Africa and India have superior attacks in my view. Hasan and Shadab are papering over a lot of cracks. Junaid is rubbish, Amir rarely gives his best, Imad is nothing special and Hafeez is a chucker. Malik is a part-timer at best.

Raees and Shinwari are good but we need another pacer of Hasan's caliber to become the best ODI attack in the world.

As usual people are getting carried away over a few games in the CT and wins over a miserable Sri Lankan outfit. Let's see how we far against the top teams moving. Pakistani fans love to set themselves up for disappointment before getting a much needed reality check, let's see if things will be different this time around.
 
If you take current performance as a measure, then any team facing SL will have the best bowling attack.

X has the best bowling attack (which is playing vs SL currently.)

This X = Any team.

The bowling attack has done pretty well since Sarfaraz took over, it's not just one series.

Barring the India CT match where we completely lost it under pressure and one bad outing in WI, no team has crossed 240 against this bowling attack. In this era of flat pitches, that isn't a half bad record. Let's see what happens with a larger sample size.
 
Every bowler is creating pressure. Having Hafeez as a bowler has added a new dimension to the team altogether and losing Hafeez will be detrimental to the bowling attack.

But other stronger teams will give a much sterner test for sure.

Im with u here. Hafeez is miserly
 
If you take current performance as a measure, then any team facing SL will have the best bowling attack.

X has the best bowling attack (which is playing vs SL currently.)

This X = Any team.

Your talking some nonsense and tying yourself in knots.

You just said this doesn't mean anything as it's a bilateral series and it matters only in tournament.

Well a reminder there was a world tournament just a few moments and there was no doubts who had the best bowling in that tournament. One hyped team not only lost but they got smashed to pieces that will scar many fans for years to come.
 
I think I am misunderstood here.

I neither said anything about whether Pakistan bowling was the best nor worse.

The post was more in the lines of emotions that runs through the fans minds.

As for me, Pakistan bowling shines always in meaningless odis (in fact Pakistan is the best in this regards), where as in tournaments it goes missing as soon as pressure comes in. Kinda like how amla performs.
Quite preposterous to say this when this exact same bowling line-up won Pakistan a tournament only three months ago. Even if this bowling attack disintegrates completely starting tomorrow, that point will still not hold in any discussion when discussing the current bowling line-up. History will point to the ICC Champions Trophy having been won on the back of five stellar bowling performances that blew literally every opponent away.
 
It's a see saw for pak fans.

When winning, it's the best in the world.

When losing, "we are at absolute bottom and only way is up."

Pakistani people are more emotional than indian me thinks.

Keep thinking buddy keep thinking
 
One of the best? It is the best in the world at what it does. What it does is humiliate certain overrated teams on the biggest stages and tramples everyone who dares to challenge it. :kohli

Eagerly awaiting to see Hassan, Amir, Junaid and co go Kiwi hunting in December.

You are right, I was hoping something like this from you.
 
Remember the India 10:0 Pakistan ICC faceoff record? Wonder how one CT Final match would change everything and make our Pak brothers forget the previous records against India in ICC events?

No brother, for them CT is superior and more important than WC for some obvious reasons, let them be happy.
 
One of the best? It is the best in the world at what it does. What it does is humiliate certain overrated teams on the biggest stages and tramples everyone who dares to challenge it. :kohli

Eagerly awaiting to see Hassan, Amir, Junaid and co go Kiwi hunting in December.

The same overrated team came to final of CT (even though it lost the final), it means all other teams were overrated by your logic. I hope Pakistan to continue this form for a long time, otherwise people will think CT win was a fluke. Lets not get serious about bowling against SL, even though the thread is about ODIs, we saw the Pak's bowling attack in tests unfortunately.
 
South Africa and India have superior attacks in my view. Hasan and Shadab are papering over a lot of cracks. Junaid is rubbish, Amir rarely gives his best, Imad is nothing special and Hafeez is a chucker. Malik is a part-timer at best.

Raees and Shinwari are good but we need another pacer of Hasan's caliber to become the best ODI attack in the world.

As usual people are getting carried away over a few games in the CT and wins over a miserable Sri Lankan outfit. Let's see how we far against the top teams moving. Pakistani fans love to set themselves up for disappointment before getting a much needed reality check, let's see if things will be different this time around.

india will always be superior in ur view but i dont think so it is,it is basically their batting which gives a place for their bolwers to breth in and cash most of the time,u know it better,but i will say pak and indian bowling are almost equal or pakistan edges ,south africa lacks variety,,,
 
No brother, for them CT is superior and more important than WC for some obvious reasons, let them be happy.

The discussion is about the current bowling attack. Obviously the CT will be more relevant, this bowling attack was not playing in the past ten World Cups. :facepalm:
 
Some people say India bowling are batter that’s y they receive 338 in ct final against useless batting team
 
The discussion is about the current bowling attack. Obviously the CT will be more relevant, this bowling attack was not playing in the past ten World Cups. :facepalm:

Going by this logic, Wasim/Waqar/Akhtar/Saqlain/Imran who lost WC matches against India were inferior than current attack?? Thanks for clarification.
 
Going by this logic, Wasim/Waqar/Akhtar/Saqlain/Imran who lost WC matches against India were inferior than current attack?? Thanks for clarification.

It seems you are unable to comprehend the discussion. :(

"Our ODI bowling attack is one of the best in the world" : Sarfaraz Ahmed

As in, one of the best in the world right now.

Are Wasim/Waqar/Akhtar/Saqlain/Imran playing right now? :facepalm: How is what you're saying relevant at all?
 
It seems you are unable to comprehend the discussion. :(

"Our ODI bowling attack is one of the best in the world" : Sarfaraz Ahmed

As in, one of the best in the world right now.

Are Wasim/Waqar/Akhtar/Saqlain/Imran playing right now? :facepalm: How is what you're saying relevant at all?

Logic doesn't come naturally to some people. Give him time and he might understand the discussion.
 
It’s one of the best but I wouldn’t say THE BEST. There is a lot of room for improvement. We need a world class off-spiner. Apart from that, I think we have all the basis covered, although I would like to see some improvements from the likes of Shinwari, Junaid and Rumman.
 
South Africa and India have superior attacks in my view. Hasan and Shadab are papering over a lot of cracks. Junaid is rubbish, Amir rarely gives his best, Imad is nothing special and Hafeez is a chucker. Malik is a part-timer at best.

Raees and Shinwari are good but we need another pacer of Hasan's caliber to become the best ODI attack in the world.

As usual people are getting carried away over a few games in the CT and wins over a miserable Sri Lankan outfit. Let's see how we far against the top teams moving. Pakistani fans love to set themselves up for disappointment before getting a much needed reality check, let's see if things will be different this time around.

Is this an attempt to troll us indians considering we do not have even one bowler that can match the skills or temperament of Hasan Ali, Wahab or Amir..
 
Some people say India bowling are batter that’s y they receive 338 in ct final against useless batting team
Only pakistani posters like Mamoon are making that claim.... The difference between the 2 attacks is huge at this point of time.
 
South Africa and India have superior attacks in my view. Hasan and Shadab are papering over a lot of cracks. Junaid is rubbish, Amir rarely gives his best, Imad is nothing special and Hafeez is a chucker. Malik is a part-timer at best.

Raees and Shinwari are good but we need another pacer of Hasan's caliber to become the best ODI attack in the world.

As usual people are getting carried away over a few games in the CT and wins over a miserable Sri Lankan outfit. Let's see how we far against the top teams moving. Pakistani fans love to set themselves up for disappointment before getting a much needed reality check, let's see if things will be different this time around.

LOL india's attack is better? This is why they consistently concede 300+. Leave it to you to show your indian bias.
 
Best in the world? Minus Hassan Ali and you got a crippling one (unless playing on spinning track). Need to have Amir/any other quality pace bowler. Raees and Usman, they've performed in bits but lacks consistency.
 
It seems you are unable to comprehend the discussion. :(

"Our ODI bowling attack is one of the best in the world" : Sarfaraz Ahmed

As in, one of the best in the world right now.

Are Wasim/Waqar/Akhtar/Saqlain/Imran playing right now? :facepalm: How is what you're saying relevant at all?

Brother did you mention "Past ten world cups?" and now think who played in those WCs???
 
Best in the world? Minus Hassan Ali and you got a crippling one (unless playing on spinning track). Need to have Amir/any other quality pace bowler. Raees and Usman, they've performed in bits but lacks consistency.

Raees is good enough its strange how we judge bowlers after 3 matches. Its the same hassan ali who got only 8 or 9 wickets in his first 10 odis and then he turned it on. And about usman i think hr is more suited to t20s and we have lots of other exciting fast bowlers comeing through the ranks which can be selected.
 
Logic doesn't come naturally to some people. Give him time and he might understand the discussion.

Hi mak36, did you read his original comment or just jumped on the train?? He clearly mentioned "past ten world cups", now do I have to mention who played in those "past ten world cups?". Think about your logic now.
 
Raees is good enough its strange how we judge bowlers after 3 matches. Its the same hassan ali who got only 8 or 9 wickets in his first 10 odis and then he turned it on. And about usman i think hr is more suited to t20s and we have lots of other exciting fast bowlers comeing through the ranks which can be selected.

Raees seems good but he hasn't displayed Hasan Alish traits.

Hasan always seemed like a nippy bowler even when things weren't going in favor of him. When he took 70-1 against India, I created a post praising him for limiting India.

Usman is a t20 guy. Apart from Hasan, I can't say that anyone else (or our whole attack) is world-class.
 
Brother did you mention "Past ten world cups?" and now think who played in those WCs???

Again you fail to understand............ :(

The point was that this bowling attack was not playing previously therefore discussing past tournaments is a waste of time with regards to this thread. Not that this bowling attack is the best ever etc etc.

I hope it is clear and I won't have to keep repeating the same thing over and over again. :danish
 
Your talking some nonsense and tying yourself in knots.

You just said this doesn't mean anything as it's a bilateral series and it matters only in tournament.

Well a reminder there was a world tournament just a few moments and there was no doubts who had the best bowling in that tournament. One hyped team not only lost but they got smashed to pieces that will scar many fans for years to come.

Yes, India has a pathetic bowling attack. Time and time again I have stated that myself.

But what does it have to do with the post that I mentioned?

Insecurity speaking? I never even used india in any of my posts. I didn't claim india has a better bowling attack in this regard.

Why it is such that if Pakistan is genuinely criticised, India automatically comes in.

That could simply mean, those people are still facing some kind of inferiority complex.

Please note, I didn't bring India into discussion.

First there was a mention of kohli.
And then you did mention.

Trend is somewhat similar.
 
Usman Chadda; said:
Even if this bowling attack disintegrates completely starting tomorrow, that point will still not hold in any discussion when discussing the current bowling line-up. History will point to the ICC Champions Trophy having been won on the back of five stellar bowling performances that blew literally every opponent away.


This part I will agree. If you put it that way, then I'll myself admit that, Pakistan have the opportunity to write a golden history.
 
india will always be superior in ur view but i dont think so it is,it is basically their batting which gives a place for their bolwers to breth in and cash most of the time,u know it better,but i will say pak and indian bowling are almost equal or pakistan edges ,south africa lacks variety,,,

Is this an attempt to troll us indians considering we do not have even one bowler that can match the skills or temperament of Hasan Ali, Wahab or Amir..

LOL india's attack is better? This is why they consistently concede 300+. Leave it to you to show your indian bias.

We are riding on the coattails of Hasan and to an extent Shadab, who are papering over the cracks. Hasan is fantastic but at some point he will go through a lean patch as well, and that is where our bowling is going to struggle because the other options don't look good enough to be considered best in the world.

South Africa and India have more well rounded attacks and they don't really have any particular weak-links in their attacks. Secondly, our bowling still has a lot to prove on proper batting pitches. Our attack is tailor-made for low scoring pitches like the UAE etc., but they are not yet tested in places like Australia, South Africa, NZ etc., and although we did it a few times in England in the CT, but it had a lot to do with SA and India having off-days and England struggling on a slow Cardiff pitch.

It is certainly a very good attack but it is not best in the world.
 
Sarfraz clearly said it is ONE of the best bowling attacks of the world, not the best, so I don't understand what the entire debate is about. Any-who, as far as the bowling attack being good is concerned, I totally second that.

I personally think the most talented player in the team is Usman Khan. We need to work on him because in a year or so, he WILL bowl in the 140's consistently if the right coaches work with him and that is exactly what Pakistan needs.
 
South Africa and India have superior bowling attacks :))) :))) :))) :)))

#delusion
 
Pak as a unit are used to deliver well in the bowling because their batting is traditionally poor. Teams like India despite having good bowling attack, don't focus on restricting teams India has 2 bowlers in the top 10 ranking. Pakistan has one bowler in top 20 ranking. They are a good unit. But individually they are all there and there about. India has one of the best bench strength. They can use a second string which can replace completely the first string and still do well.
 
We are riding on the coattails of Hasan and to an extent Shadab, who are papering over the cracks. Hasan is fantastic but at some point he will go through a lean patch as well, and that is where our bowling is going to struggle because the other options don't look good enough to be considered best in the world.

South Africa and India have more well rounded attacks and they don't really have any particular weak-links in their attacks. Secondly, our bowling still has a lot to prove on proper batting pitches. Our attack is tailor-made for low scoring pitches like the UAE etc., but they are not yet tested in places like Australia, South Africa, NZ etc., and although we did it a few times in England in the CT, but it had a lot to do with SA and India having off-days and England struggling on a slow Cardiff pitch.

It is certainly a very good attack but it is not best in the world.

Only you would think that.
 
An offie, couple of good death bowlers, a leggie, couple of left arm spinner, a china man bowler. With Kuldeep/Chahal replacing the worn out Ash and Jadeja India now has a more solid bowling attack.
 
An offie, couple of good death bowlers, a leggie, couple of left arm spinner, a china man bowler. With Kuldeep/Chahal replacing the worn out Ash and Jadeja India now has a more solid bowling attack.

Lol Pakistan's second string pace battery alone is head and shoulders above India's first choice. Please don't over hype your teletubby bowling attack.
 
Lol Pakistan's second string pace battery alone is head and shoulders above India's first choice. Please don't over hype your teletubby bowling attack.

Can you tell me how many of those bowlers in top 10 rankings?
 
Pakistan has best mix of bowlers at the moment Hasan is too tight to score in middle overs
Only Australia has that level of Fast bowling but they don't have quality spinners
India is just thriving on spin duo of
Chahal & kuldeep their off day means India will lose
 
How many of them have been playing consistent international cricket since the past four years like India's pacemen?

THere you go. You don't really have any sample. Axar who is not even 3rd choice spinner is in top 10 ranking. It is what it is. Pakistan burden is carried by Hasan Ali at this point. He picked up boat load of wickets this year for Pakistan. Rest of the bowlers sure chip in. But they will struggle in Hasan's absence. Bit like How India's batting depends on top 3.
 
THere you go. You don't really have any sample. Axar who is not even 3rd choice spinner is in top 10 ranking. It is what it is. Pakistan burden is carried by Hasan Ali at this point. He picked up boat load of wickets this year for Pakistan. Rest of the bowlers sure chip in. But they will struggle in Hasan's absence. Bit like How India's batting depends on top 3.

The point here is that spinners like Jadeja and kuldeep will not have any impact when we are touring countries like England And Australia. We badly need Shami to be at his peak otherwise the workload on Yadav will be too much along with B Kumar.
 
An offie, couple of good death bowlers, a leggie, couple of left arm spinner, a china man bowler. With Kuldeep/Chahal replacing the worn out Ash and Jadeja India now has a more solid bowling attack.

Yes in IPL it is.
 
How many of them have been playing consistent international cricket ...

This argument gets repeated a lot in PP. I saw the same thing getting repeated few years back. Musical chair of new player means they are not good enough. If players are good then they will play for long period and climb up in ranking. I am just using this quote here in general, not just commenting on your post.

That's why you need to do it for longer period and climb up the ranking to claim the best tag. If Pakistan has the best set of bowlers then they should be among the top 10 sooner or later. Ali did well and he is top rank. Rest need to do well otherwise hyping players is premature.

Anyway, nothing much to debate here. Pakistan sure has one of the best attack.
 
Pk has a good attack. In the top 4 if everyone is match ready and firing.

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