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Outgunned by Pak F-16s, IAF plans to re-arm its Sukhois with Israeli missiles

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NEW DELHI: In two years from now, the Indian Air Force's frontline Sukhoi-30 fighters may be re-armed with Israeli Derby air-to-air missiles after the jet's Russian-made R-77 missiles were found wanting in air combat operations over the Line of Control on February 27 this year.

Sources in the Indian Air Force told NDTV, "We already have the missile as part of the SPYDER (Surface-to-Air Missile) system. Integration (with the IAF's Su-30s) is the next step.''

Retaliating to the IAF strike on the Jaish-e-Mohammed training facility in Balakot on February 26, the Pakistan Air Force aggressively positioned a large formation of 24 fighters near the Line of Control (LoC). A handful of these jets managed to cross the LoC to fire precision-guided glide bombs towards Indian military positions in the Rajouri sector.

Eight Indian Air Force fighters, including two Sukhoi-30 MKI jets, were vectored to intercept the Pakistani formation when they detected the launch of several US-made AIM-120 C5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) in their direction.

''The PAF surprised the IAF by launching air-to-air missiles from inside Pakistan-occupied Kashmir," says Sameer Joshi, a Kargil veteran. ''The AMRAAM effectively outranged the IAF air-to-air missiles which did not get a command to launch," he said.

Among the Indian Air Force's fighters which were targeted were two Sukhoi-30s which managed to evade the AMRAAMs which were fired at close to their maximum range of 100 kilometres. Fully defensive and desperate to escape the incoming AMRAAMs, the IAF Sukhoi-30s escaped being shot down but were unable to retaliate the F-16s because they were out of position and their own missiles, the Russian R-77s, did not have the range to realistically engage the Pakistani fighters. IAF sources told NDTV that the Russian missiles do not match its advertised range and cannot engage targets which are more than 80 kilometres away.

To meet its requirements, the IAF is looking at the I-Derby variant of the Israeli missile which was unveiled at the Paris Air Show in 2015. Integrating the missile into the Russian fighter will be a challenge and, according to sources, will require Israeli expertise, particularly in developing a data-link between the Sukhoi-30 and the missile, once it is fired.A fighter jet communicates with the missile through the data link and passes on updated vectors (location) of the fighter which has been targeted.

The Indian Navy was the first to integrate an older variant of the Derby missile with its now-retired fleet of Sea Harrier fighters. The missile is also the primary air-to-air weapon of the indigenous Tejas fighter which has entered service with the Indian Air Force. The Derby is also a component of the IAF's SPYDER surface-to-air missile batteries, and are considered several generations ahead of the legacy Russian systems which it has replaced.

However, the I-Derby missile, now being looked at, is a considerably more advanced that the missiles presently in service. An article in Aviation Week says, ''The new (missile) seeker is lighter and more compact than its predecessor, thus clearing valuable space which has been used by the missile designers to increase the propulsion system. This new addition increases the range of the I-Derby ER beyond 100 km., significantly more than its current "short/medium" range capability.''

The I-Derby isn't the only missile the air force is looking at to modernise its Sukhoi-30 fleet. The European MBDA manufactured Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile (ASRAAM), the first of which were acquired for the air force's Jaguar fleet in 2014 as part of a 250 million pound deal, has been tested in wind tunnels on models of the Su-30 by the National Aerospace Laboratories in Bengaluru.

Once fully integrated, it will replace the R-73 short range air-to-air missile presently in use on the Sukhoi-30 fleet.

Simultaneously, the IAF is evaluating the indigenous Astra air-to-air missile for the Sukhoi-30. IAF sources told NDTV, ''The Astra is in development. We have ordered fifty (missiles) of the limited series production.'' Ultimately, though, the air force wants an extended-range variant of the missile. ''It will take ten years to get the Astra Mk2 in our inventory," say sources, a reason why integration of the I-Derby is being seen as a priority.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/out...arm-its-sukhois-with-israeli-missiles-2044172
 
So IAF and India is willing to accept they were outgunned but only if Pakistan admits they used F16 instead of JF17
 
So IAF and India is willing to accept they were outgunned but only if Pakistan admits they used F16 instead of JF17

They can arm them with Star Wars cannons I won't be worried as long as they are flown by Indian IAF pilots.
 
They can arm them with Star Wars cannons I won't be worried as long as they are flown by Indian IAF pilots.

We just need to make sure chaaye her time ready ho :))

btw the source is indian before any indian pper start bashing it
 
Election over, we will see trickle of information coming out.
Perhaps one of the Su-30 "ran into a mountain" while dodging those 5-10-15 Amraams fired at them :imad
 
No equipment upgrades can help a pilot at the end of the day, it is his own skill which shines.
 
Zionists will ensure India's downfall. Indians dont know what they are getting into.
 
Pilot dies in Indian army jet mid-air collision

One pilot has died after two Indian Air Force fighter jets crashed in a mid-air collision in central India.

The planes were on a routine "operational flying training mission" when the incident happened, the air force said in a statement.

Both aircraft had taken off from the Gwailor air base in Madhya Pradesh, about 50km (30m) east of where they came down.

The air force has ordered an inquiry to determine the cause of the crash.

The crash involved a Russian-made Sukhoi Su-30 carrying two pilots, and a French-build Mirage 2000, flown by one pilot.

Local media reports said wreckage was found in Bharatpur in Rajasthan and Morena in neighbouring Madhya Pradesh.

Police officer Dharmender Gaur, at one scene where wreckage was discovered, told AFP news agency that a pilot had been found injured but alive in the forests of Padargarh.

"We have located the wreckage of one of the planes," the officer said. "The other plane has likely fallen further away from the site and we have sent teams to locate it."

Madhya Pradesh Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan said local authorities had been instructed to assist with the air force's rescue and relief efforts.

The crash is the latest in a series of aviation accidents involving India's military air force.

In October last year five soldiers were killed when their helicopter crashed in Arunachal Pradesh state, near the border with China, while in December 2021 the head of India's armed forces, Gen Bipin Rawat, was among more than a dozen killed when the helicopter they were travelling in hit a hillside and burst into flames in Tamil Nadu state.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-64437573

RIP.
 
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