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Pakistani women activists and rights campaigners have accused Prime Minister Imran Khan of “baffling ignorance” after the cricketer-turned-politician blamed how women dress for a rise in rape cases.

In a weekend interview on live television, Oxford-educated Khan said an increase in rapes indicated the “consequences in any society where vulgarity is on the rise”.

“The incidents of rape of women … [have] actually very rapidly increased in society,” he said.

He advised women to cover up to prevent temptation.

“This entire concept of purdah is to avoid temptation, not everyone has the willpower to avoid it,” he said, using a term that can refer to modest dress or the segregation of the sexes.

Hundreds have signed a statement circulating online on Wednesday, calling Khan’s comments “factually incorrect, insensitive and dangerous”.

“Fault rests solely with the rapist and the system that enables the rapist, including a culture fostered by statements such as those made by [Khan],” the statement said.

The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, an independent rights watchdog, on Tuesday said it was “appalled” by the comments.
“Not only does this betray a baffling ignorance of where, why and how rape occurs, but it also lays the blame on rape survivors, who, as the government must know, can range from young children to victims of honour crimes,” it said.

Pakistan is a deeply conservative country where victims of sexual abuse are often viewed with suspicion and criminal complaints are rarely investigated seriously.

Much of the country lives under an “honour” code where women who bring “shame” on the family can be subjected to violence or murder.

It regularly ranks among the worst places in the world for gender equality.

Nationwide protests erupted last year when a police chief admonished a gang-rape victim for driving at night without a male companion. The Franco-Pakistani mother was assaulted in front of her children on the side of a motorway after her car ran out of fuel.

Last year, Khan was criticised after another television appearance where he failed to challenge a Muslim leader’s insistence that coronavirus had been unleashed because of the wrongdoings of women.

The latest controversy comes as the organisers of International Women’s Day marches battle what they have called a coordinated disinformation campaign against them, including doctored images and videos circulated online.

It has led to blasphemy accusations – a hugely sensitive issue in Pakistan where allegations have previously led mobs to attack people.

The organisers of the annual rally have called for the prime minister to intervene.

In his weekend TV appearance, Khan also blamed divorce rates in Britain on the “sex, drugs and rock and roll” culture that began in the 1970s, when the twice-divorced Khan was gaining a reputation in London as a “playboy”.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021...tans-imran-khan-links-rape-to-how-women-dress
 
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He advised women to cover up to prevent temptation.

This is a sound advice. It doesn't mean that those who dont dress modestly deserve an assault or the victim is to be blamed, it only means that there are animals out there and one should take care of themselves. Every father gives the same advice to his daughter.
 
Pathetic statements by a man who has lost his sensibilities. The failure of his government and his failure to meet the expectations has taken a toll on him.

He has no control on what he says. He needs help. There is only one cause of rape – the rapist himself.

No amount of vulgarity and obscenity justifies rape.

Besides, Imran is the last person on earth who should be giving lectures on morality and Islam considering his lifestyle in his youth.

Now that he is inching closer to his grave, he has suddenly become a pious Muslim.
 
About time we stop calling him Oxford-educated. He was known as “Im the Dim” during his time at Oxford because of his poor academic performance.

He barely passed his exams and was playing cricket all the time.

He cannot be compared to a regular Oxford graduate who didn’t get there on sports quota and was focused on his academics.
 
Pretty pathetic. Then, again, everyone knows he will bend over backwards for the draconian status quo in Pakistan. Women dress very modestly in Pakistan, even in a niqab, the creeps will still stare at you in Pakistan and mark as a target. With statement like this can’t help but lose respect for this guy. Lived abroad got educated at one of the top unis of the world, still thinks like the fake degree wielding ghunda badmash type that are his political rivals.
 
Nearly half of the victims of child abuse in pakistan are boys, what was their fault
 
I was in Pakistan recently and believe me, Pakistani women dress very modestly. All wear a dupatta at least.
 
As usual pathetic stuff by this guy

“This entire concept of purdah is to avoid temptation, not everyone has the willpower to avoid it,” he said, using a term that can refer to modest dress or the segregation of the sexes.

Whats hilarious is that these views are of someone who was once known as a playboy and used to call himself a tiger.

To eliminate rape and harassments you need to teach children and students how to interact with the opposite gender. You keep society segregated, you will have such cases.
 
Spot on as always! The 4-year old Zainab was probably dressed in a very indecent manner. Way to go, Captain.
 
The Saudi Arabians will be proud.
 
Spot on as always! The 4-year old Zainab was probably dressed in a very indecent manner. Way to go, Captain.

Every day, at least 20 kids in Pakistan are sexually abused in Pakistan. Captain would say they were wearing skimpy clothes too!
 
The selectors need to act in national interests for once and put this man out of his misery.

He is no shape of form capable of serving as the PM. He is incompetent, ignorant and deluded.

Not only has his government destroyed the economy, his idiotic statements have made Pakistan a laughing stock.

He is embarrassing the nation.
 
People tend to forget that IK is around 70 years old. His views are typical of a Pakistani male of his generation not in touch with woke culture. Most people of his age in my own family would agree with him completely (even those who have lived and studied abroad for considerable periods).

As PM of the country he should be a lot more careful but this was more of an 'ok boomer' moment rather than something sinister like appeasing conservative elements.
 
Not strange that this sort of statement has come from someone who wants to teach his nation morality through a fictional foreign tv series, whichi has no connection with pakistan's culture or history. He's quite dim witted isn't he? :)) :))
 
This is a sound advice. It doesn't mean that those who dont dress modestly deserve an assault or the victim is to be blamed, it only means that there are animals out there and one should take care of themselves. Every father gives the same advice to his daughter.

An unpopular opinion, but correct. The very same people who are outraged are the same ones complaining that the predators in Pakistan won't even leave children alone. This advice will be more relevant to the undeveloped areas where education is limited, and the seedy back alleys of city outskirts where perverts and criminals dwell. In the swish city centres and university towns I am sure there will be a more developed sense of dress code.

This is a shame because while my family and biraderi are all very tolerant and live the life of film stars over there, I can tell from others accounts that Pakistan is different for those with lesser means.
 
IK is wrong on this. I agreed with him on vulgarity in the media but this is wrong and it sends the wrong message and does him no favours.
 
People tend to forget that IK is around 70 years old. His views are typical of a Pakistani male of his generation not in touch with woke culture. Most people of his age in my own family would agree with him completely (even those who have lived and studied abroad for considerable periods).

As PM of the country he should be a lot more careful but this was more of an 'ok boomer' moment rather than something sinister like appeasing conservative elements.
Most of the women in Pakistan wear traditional modest dresses. Yet they get raped or sexually assaulted. Even the male kids are not safe in Pakistan. Many kids get raped in madrasas all around Pakistan. You don't have to be a wake, a bit of common sense would be enough to realize that Pakistan is not safe for women & children.
 
In Islam - its considered generally a good thing if someone sees the errors of their ways and reforms.

Imran is not answerable to you and me.

As for his views - I dont agree with them at all.
 
This is a sound advice. It doesn't mean that those who dont dress modestly deserve an assault or the victim is to be blamed, it only means that there are animals out there and one should take care of themselves. Every father gives the same advice to his daughter.

Sound advice would've been to suggest women to hire gunman as burkhas have miserably failed to protect women from sexual assaults.
 
This is a sound advice. It doesn't mean that those who dont dress modestly deserve an assault or the victim is to be blamed, it only means that there are animals out there and one should take care of themselves. Every father gives the same advice to his daughter.

No it’s not. Thats terrible advice. Men need to be re-educated. PERIOD
 
Most of the women in Pakistan wear traditional modest dresses. Yet they get raped or sexually assaulted. Even the male kids are not safe in Pakistan. Many kids get raped in madrasas all around Pakistan. You don't have to be a wake, a bit of common sense would be enough to realize that Pakistan is not safe for women & children.

Wasn't defending the statement. Just dont believe he was trying to appease the right wing or other such exaggerated claims people are making. Whether we like it or not majority of Pakistanis of IK's generation believe that their is a link between vulgarity and rape. Ofcourse we should expect better from IK.
 
With every passing day, Imran is becoming more and more senile. He is mentally incapable of leading the country. We cannot expect the state of women to improve when the head of a country says rapes are due to choice of dress.

I am not sure why Imran holds repulsive views regrading women. In the past two years, he has made it a habit of promoting extreme views, to terming OBL a martyr to this gaffe. This man surely know what resonates with the average Pakistani. A true expert at playing the religious card.
 
I really hope this isn't a sign of early onset dementia...
 
Sound advice would've been to suggest women to hire gunman as burkhas have miserably failed to protect women from sexual assaults.

Gunperson would be a more acceptable term. You are I'm afraid showing your own patriarchal mindset here, obviously if a woman hired a male, then she may need protection from the gunman as well. A female bodyguard could be a better solution.
 
Wonder what this does to Imran Khan’s “making Pakistan the fastest growing tourism destination” plans..
 
Gunperson would be a more acceptable term. You are I'm afraid showing your own patriarchal mindset here, obviously if a woman hired a male, then she may need protection from the gunman as well. A female bodyguard could be a better solution.

Give her a gun license...
 
People are naive enough to believe they can only educate men and rape will stop. No one with common sense says that about theft, murder, and other crimes.

Yes you need to educate men (even Islamicaly that's an obligation) but you also need a strong law and order and justice system for deterrance plus women being careful and taking precautions.

You can educate men as much as you want but as soon as there's a collapse in law and order, there are enough deranged men to take advantage of a bad situation.
 
He hasnt said this explicitly, poor from Al Jazeera.

Ive lived in the UK all my life ,travelled a lot of the world too. Rape usually takes place between the culprit and another who know each other. However sexual harrasment of women is more likely if they show flesh, this is common sense. This doesnt mean those who harrass in this manner have any excuse.

Peodophilla is just pure evil, there is no reasoning other than those who hurts kids are evil lowlife scmbags.
 
On the surface this sounds like a classic victim blaming trope. Not Mr Khan’s best statement.
 
Not everyone can resist it.. he can speak as an Adonis because he's never had an inferiority
 
Just out of curiosity, in the UK (as far as I know) we are advised by car insurance providers to keep our valuables out of sight when we leave our vehicle (in the glove box or in the boot). If you were to leave an Apple laptop on the car seat and someone then broke into your car and steals it, your insurers will most likely not pay for it or hold you partly responsible.

I guess that is victim blaming as well from the insurance companies.
 
Just out of curiosity, in the UK (as far as I know) we are advised by car insurance providers to keep our valuables out of sight when we leave our vehicle (in the glove box or in the boot). If you were to leave an Apple laptop on the car seat and someone then broke into your car and steals it, your insurers will most likely not pay for it or hold you partly responsible.

I guess that is victim blaming as well from the insurance companies.

That .. is wrong on many levels. You've just objectified women in the most crass manner possible.
 
Just out of curiosity, in the UK (as far as I know) we are advised by car insurance providers to keep our valuables out of sight when we leave our vehicle (in the glove box or in the boot). If you were to leave an Apple laptop on the car seat and someone then broke into your car and steals it, your insurers will most likely not pay for it or hold you partly responsible.

I guess that is victim blaming as well from the insurance companies.

This is the stupidest post I have ever seen.

Comparing women to MacBooks...

What next. You’ll compare women to candy?
 
I hate it when people tempt me by leaving their apple laptops on the car seats. It fills me with such uncontrollable desire that I often break the car window and take it with me. Wish people would stop driving me towards crime like this.
 
Just out of curiosity, in the UK (as far as I know) we are advised by car insurance providers to keep our valuables out of sight when we leave our vehicle (in the glove box or in the boot). If you were to leave an Apple laptop on the car seat and someone then broke into your car and steals it, your insurers will most likely not pay for it or hold you partly responsible.

I guess that is victim blaming as well from the insurance companies.

Comparing women to laptops, that’s a new one. Really showing class and experience there! : )
 
He's taken the Baton as the next great Islamic warrior. He will have to regurgitate what the religious leaders always claim. What's the next step? Every woman can go out in public only if she's accompanied by her husband or a family member? Sounds familiar?
 
In Islam - its considered generally a good thing if someone sees the errors of their ways and reforms.

Imran is not answerable to you and me.

As for his views - I dont agree with them at all.

Are you serious? As an elected representative (no
Matter what one thinks of that) he is answerable to the public. What kind of logic is that.

I respect your religious viewpoint but as long as you are alive leave alone politicians and other influencers, even regular people like you and me are accountable and responsible for our actions to people around us. Sure after death you can be answerable to god and get your judgement.
 
No it’s not. Thats terrible advice. Men need to be re-educated. PERIOD

Of course, men need to behave. But till there are men who are predators, it makes sense for women to exercise caution to protect themselves from such predators. It is not to blame the women, it is what it is.
 
Just out of curiosity, in the UK (as far as I know) we are advised by car insurance providers to keep our valuables out of sight when we leave our vehicle (in the glove box or in the boot). If you were to leave an Apple laptop on the car seat and someone then broke into your car and steals it, your insurers will most likely not pay for it or hold you partly responsible.

I guess that is victim blaming as well from the insurance companies.

Good point. Women with higher price tags should cover up so they aren't violated. Nobody cares for a spoon or a bowl in open display in a car. So women that are cheaper don't need to bother to cover themselves up.
 
Pathetic comment, and I am generally a fan of IK. This is such a sensitive topic, there is no room to conflate deviant, evil, deprived behavior with anything else.
 
Comparing women to laptops, that’s a new one. Really showing class and experience there! : )

It is you who is seeing a comparison between women and laptop. The point is that it is an unsafe world, as while we must do everything to make it safe, we should first learn to protect ourselves. This is the same thing fathers should teach their daughters. You have to consider the environment in which the individual is living.
 
We need to treat IK with fairness.

Here in the UK we have an alleged peado in the Royal Family who is being protected by his family, the government and the media. IK is only giving an opinion not protecting any alleged rapist as the UK is doing now.
 
Of course, men need to behave. But till there are men who are predators, it makes sense for women to exercise caution to protect themselves from such predators. It is not to blame the women, it is what it is.

The problem is if you dump all these frustrated desi predators in a legal red light district say in Holland or a strip club in the west , they will be toungtied, embarrassed and probably a couple of nervous breakdowns.

Their idea of immodest dress is a jeans and a T-shirt or a skirt instead of a burkha etc.

Even if someone rapes a women wearing a revealing outfit or even on a nude beach it doesn’t make it right under any context. Violating someone against their will has no real justification.
 
From Imran Khan Niazi to Imran Khan Ghazi. :salute

He was not joking when he said he would turn Pakistan to Madina Riyasat. Since Pakistan is an Islamic republic, there is nothing wrong in following Islamic dress code. More power to Kaptaan.
 
What should be concerning to people is this is a viewpoint of a guy who studied abroad, travelled all over the world, was a socialite and attended some of the most outrageous and exclusive parties in the west, had affairs (not saying this in a negative context), apparently was very popular with the opposite sex with his charm etc.
 
From Imran Khan Niazi to Imran Khan Ghazi. :salute

He was not joking when he said he would turn Pakistan to Madina Riyasat. Since Pakistan is an Islamic republic, there is nothing wrong in following Islamic dress code. More power to Kaptaan.

India is rape capital of the world. Pandits say worse than IK, his words are not being understood.

But thank you for caring for the well being of Pakistanis , hopefully you will show such care to your fellow Indian women too.
 
IK is done and dusted, he is not a politian or a leader, and comes across as a confused person who doesnt know what to say whenever he speaks
 
India is rape capital of the world. Pandits say worse than IK, his words are not being understood.

But thank you for caring for the well being of Pakistanis , hopefully you will show such care to your fellow Indian women too.

Equivalent of a Pandit is a maulvi. Is Imran Khan a maulvi or a prime minister of a democratic country?
 
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What should be concerning to people is this is a viewpoint of a guy who studied abroad, travelled all over the world, was a socialite and attended some of the most outrageous and exclusive parties in the west, had affairs (not saying this in a negative context), apparently was very popular with the opposite sex with his charm etc.

Am I to understand that this is your idea of a stable person?
 
Sexual assault is a criminal offence. No one is disputing that. Nor does the law decrease the perpetrators sentence because the women was not dressed modestly.

However, there is nothing wrong in telling women to dress modestly as a precaution. This in itself does not mean that women who dress modestly do not get raped! Stop taking such a narrow view.

If you murder someone, you can plead the defence of provocation to reduce the murder sentence to that of manslaughter (murdering a man you caught in bed with your wife) is that victim blaming as well?

Give rape-alarms/bells to university students is a preventative measure, it does not mean that those carrying it won’t get raped, it just increases your chances of escaping the perpetrator(s)
 
Excluding the pedophiles which are a different breed of monsters, I think, not always but the way some adult females dress in the open public may have some effect on some men.

This was an experiment done in NYC.

 
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Am I to understand that this is your idea of a stable person?

The point I was making is IK has a lot more exposure to the world than the average Desi.

He has interacted with a lot of women. Is he saying that women who don’t dress modestly are loose and whatever happens to them is their mistake.

Had he said, Pakistani culture or Islam respects women and any man who violates a women’s modesty under any circumstance will have his parts chopped off, Even though that would be too extreme of a statement I would have had more respect for him.
 
Equivalent of a Pandit is a maulvi. Is Imran Khan a maulvi or a prime minister of a democratic country?

Pandit as in what some say Mullahs, extremists in a certain religion.

My point is Imran is being attacked yet some from other nations are doing far worse. RSS govenrment in India which has Pandits who they support saying worse things. Not long ago they were supporting the men who raped a young girl and killed her. Again UK Royals and govenment are protecting an alleged peado rapist. We need to see things in context , bigger picture.
 
Modesty in the way we dress as Muslims is an important part of our religion. And the reasons for that is to save our daughters/wives from unwelcome attention. This is part of our religious practices.

That's all Imran is saying.
 
Modesty in the way we dress as Muslims is an important part of our religion. And the reasons for that is to save our daughters/wives from unwelcome attention. This is part of our religious practices.

That's all Imran is saying.

100% spot on.

Muslims should never let go of their values to please secularists, athiests or followers of other faiths.

Modesty is also for men too.
 
India is rape capital of the world. Pandits say worse than IK, his words are not being understood.

But thank you for caring for the well being of Pakistanis , hopefully you will show such care to your fellow Indian women too.

I did not say anything bad about Imran Khan. He is just sticking to his religion and it is not Islamic to show any skin in public. What Kaptaan saab said is in accordance to his beliefs. He is no Hypocrite.

I hope Imran brings true Islam to Pakistan.
 
Modesty in the way we dress as Muslims is an important part of our religion. And the reasons for that is to save our daughters/wives from unwelcome attention. This is part of our religious practices.

That's all Imran is saying.

100% agreed.
But not surprising that it has been blown out of proportion by stepping over basic common sense.

100% spot on.

Muslims should never let go of their values to please secularists, athiests or followers of other faiths.

Modesty is also for men too
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Yes this is the point that not only gets ignored by needs an ultra sharp focus in how we raise our male kids?

In the Islamic doctrine, if women are recommended to dress up with modesty, then men are ORDERED to lower/guard their gaze.

However, our entire focus is on side of the equation i.e., to make sure our females are dressed up modestly, but hardly anyone puts any emphasis on letting men know that they are supposed to lower and guard their gaze.

No wonder in Pakistan, many males in the open public, daringly stare at passing by females with eyes full of lust.
This is a sick, sick trait in our society which has become a norm of the day.
We need to fix this, otherwise, blaming women only is not fair at all.
 
What an idiotic and irresponsible statement from Imran Khan. There is absolutely no excuse for this statement. It's actually vile.
 
100% agreed.
But not surprising that it has been blown out of proportion by stepping over basic common sense.



Yes this is the point that not only gets ignored by needs an ultra sharp focus in how we raise our male kids?

In the Islamic doctrine, if women are recommended to dress up with modesty, then men are ORDERED to lower/guard their gaze.

However, our entire focus is on side of the equation i.e., to make sure our females are dressed up modestly, but hardly anyone puts any emphasis on letting men know that they are supposed to lower and guard their gaze.

No wonder in Pakistan, many males in the open public, daringly stare at passing by females with eyes full of lust.
This is a sick, sick trait in our society which has become a norm of the day.
We need to fix this, otherwise, blaming women only is not fair at all.

Absolutely true - this is the bit that Muslim parents need to inculcate in their children
 
100% spot on.

Muslims should never let go of their values to please secularists, athiests or followers of other faiths.

Modesty is also for men too.

The problem is when a PM blames women for getting sexually assaulted because they weren't wearing/observing pardah, when it is the fault of the man for assaulting her. It is one's personal choice if they dress according to Islamic principles, or not. To say otherwise is authoritarian. To sexually assault someone, however, is never okay.

Modest. Nothing wrong there.

The one on the left's knees are showing, which must be covered. The awrah of a man is between the navel and knees. Not modest, by your standards.
 
The problem is when a PM blames women for getting sexually assaulted because they weren't wearing/observing pardah, when it is the fault of the man for assaulting her. It is one's personal choice if they dress according to Islamic principles, or not. To say otherwise is authoritarian. To sexually assault someone, however, is never okay.



The one on the left's knees are showing, which must be covered. The awrah of a man is between the navel and knees. Not modest, by your standards.

I dont seem to recal him NOT saying its a man's fault - in fact there was an uproar when he asked for chemical castration of such criminals.

People need to decide how they want to hate Imran and then follow that through.
 
I dont seem to recal him NOT saying its a man's fault - in fact there was an uproar when he asked for chemical castration of such criminals.

People need to decide how they want to hate Imran and then follow that through.

I quite like Imran, but saying:

'This entire concept of purdah is to avoid temptation, not everyone has the willpower to avoid it'

is incredibly stupid. Any way you look at it, he's suggesting the onus is on the woman. Sex education needs to be much better in Pakistan, and it shouldn't be so taboo. When young men are taught about consent, it will help shatter the patriarchal nature of Pakistani society, and will make the genders more equal. You can appeal to the religious ruling of 'lowering your gaze', but people pick and choose what they believe in religion, and I personally think respecting the individual is better than appealing to religion, as it can be applied universally in that case. And yes, I am using a low-bar for respect here, which is to not violate their bodily autonomy.
 
The problem is when a PM blames women for getting sexually assaulted because they weren't wearing/observing pardah, when it is the fault of the man for assaulting her. It is one's personal choice if they dress according to Islamic principles, or not. To say otherwise is authoritarian. To sexually assault someone, however, is never okay.

He;s not blaming women just pointing out the reality of the world we live in. Nowhere did he say lack of dress is the cause of rape.

He is right, women who are dressed in a bikini will of course attract more male harrasment compared to those who are covered. Ive seen it myself a 100 times when on holiday or in an entertainment venue.



The one on the left's knees are showing, which must be covered. The awrah of a man is between the navel and knees. Not modest, by your standards.

He is at home, there is no ruling for such in the privacy of your own homes unless there is a stranger present.
 
I do not see any problem with what the PM said. The rape pandemic in India is greatly due to how ladies are shown as sexual objects of desire in Bollywood. I would think it is normal for ladies to dress modestly in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. It is for a shopkeeper to lock up his store at night time. You don't tell the thief not to loot me.
 
He's even made it to daily mail and it's not going well in the comment section
 
100% agreed.
But not surprising that it has been blown out of proportion by stepping over basic common sense.



Yes this is the point that not only gets ignored by needs an ultra sharp focus in how we raise our male kids?

In the Islamic doctrine, if women are recommended to dress up with modesty, then men are ORDERED to lower/guard their gaze.

However, our entire focus is on side of the equation i.e., to make sure our females are dressed up modestly, but hardly anyone puts any emphasis on letting men know that they are supposed to lower and guard their gaze.

No wonder in Pakistan, many males in the open public, daringly stare at passing by females with eyes full of lust.
This is a sick, sick trait in our society which has become a norm of the day.
We need to fix this, otherwise, blaming women only is not fair at all.

Totally agree. It only works if men have respect for women.

No other society or faith I know of, tells men to lower their gaze and also to remain modest.

All nations have this issue and can I promise you UK has a far bigger issue. In Pakistan they might stare, in the UK men wolf whistle, shout abuse and sexually harrass women on a daily basis.

Dont take my word for it, watch this. I believe she is an actress.

 
He;s not blaming women just pointing out the reality of the world we live in. Nowhere did he say lack of dress is the cause of rape.

He is right, women who are dressed in a bikini will of course attract more male harrasment compared to those who are covered. Ive seen it myself a 100 times when on holiday or in an entertainment venue.





He is at home, there is no ruling for such in the privacy of your own homes unless there is a stranger present.

Anecdotes aren't evidence, I'm afraid. No matter how a woman is dressed, a person shouldn't assault anyone. And he literally said 'This entire concept of purdah is to avoid temptation, not everyone has the willpower to avoid it', putting the onus on the woman. The problem entirely lies with the men that commit the crime, not how the women decide to dress. If we're looking at the bigger picture, a lot of the issue lies with the system as it is, the continuation of a patriarchal culture, and the taboo of sex meaning that it doesn't get taught (at least sufficiently) in schools. Telling a woman to cover is putting a plaster on the issue, and is disproportionately unfair to those who don't wish to observe Islamic modesty.

But the picture is publicly available. Surely you shouldn't be exposing your awrah publicly? There's also the case that it's unclear who the girl is. If she's a non-mahram, their contact is haram, and she should be covered in their presence.
 
Most men in Pakistan are just desperate many times in Pakistan bazaars I have seen men trying to make eye contact with a women fully covered (only eyes showing)

what do you expect women to do fully cover her self and blindfold?
 
Anecdotes aren't evidence, I'm afraid. No matter how a woman is dressed, a person shouldn't assault anyone. And he literally said 'This entire concept of purdah is to avoid temptation, not everyone has the willpower to avoid it', putting the onus on the woman. The problem entirely lies with the men that commit the crime, not how the women decide to dress. If we're looking at the bigger picture, a lot of the issue lies with the system as it is, the continuation of a patriarchal culture, and the taboo of sex meaning that it doesn't get taught (at least sufficiently) in schools. Telling a woman to cover is putting a plaster on the issue, and is disproportionately unfair to those who don't wish to observe Islamic modesty.

But the picture is publicly available. Surely you shouldn't be exposing your awrah publicly? There's also the case that it's unclear who the girl is. If she's a non-mahram, their contact is haram, and she should be covered in their presence.

You're stating the obvious of course its up to men not to violate any woman. But not all men are like this, esp in the secular world. Many if they see womens chest showing, thighs or even their figure in tightly dressed clothes will indulge in sexual harrasment. Islam tells women to dress modest but also to men to lower their gaze. In the secular world its a man right to stare at women.

He wasnt to know it would go public. Ifs and buts , you dont know who the girl is.
 
He's even made it to daily mail and it's not going well in the comment section

UK public need to focus on the huge issues of sexual attacks , harrasment and peodphillia in society here. The same people would be defending Prince William.
 
To those comparing the UK and Pakistan, that's a weird way to deflect from IK's stupid points, but I'll address this.

First of all, the UK is far more equal between the sexes than Pakistan is. There is little-to-no stigma of women working, going out on their own, dressing how they want, etc. When women have more freedom and are able to go out, there is obviously a higher chance of getting catcalled, assaulted, or otherwise. Does UK have a problem? Of course, the fact that the assault rate is non-zero is a huge problem. Also, due to the honour culture in Pakistan (and India) there is less chance of rapes being reported.

Let's also delve into the rape stats (ugh, sounds horrible to say that). I accessed them here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...exualoffendingministryofjusticeappendixtables

It breaks down the ethnicities of the perpetrators. 57.6% are white, 8.4% are Asian. That may look damning, but considering white people make up 80% of the UK, and Asians make up around 6%, white people are underrepresented, and Asians are overrepresented. This supports the idea of (South) Asian cultures being oppressive, patriarchal, and lacking in sex education considering there is such an overrepresentation. So doing 'pardah' would only covering the issue up (mind the pun), rather than treating the root cause of it. South Asia desperately needs better sex education, men need to be taught about consent, and these archaic notions and practices need to be dispelled. We being Pakistanis (and some Indians here too) should be most disgusted about these stats, because I know none of the people on this forum would ever think to do anything as obscene as assaulting a women. There is a huge need for sexual education in South Asia, and the problem cannot be remedied by simply covering women up. It is neither fair to the women, nor is it a solution.
 
You're stating the obvious of course its up to men not to violate any woman. But not all men are like this, esp in the secular world. Many if they see womens chest showing, thighs or even their figure in tightly dressed clothes will indulge in sexual harrasment. Islam tells women to dress modest but also to men to lower their gaze. In the secular world its a man right to stare at women.

He wasnt to know it would go public. Ifs and buts , you dont know who the girl is.

I know you hate secularism, but you have no clue what you're talking about. You're using anecdotes, and perhaps wishful thinking. I have provided data in a post below. To say it's a man's right to stare at a woman is stupid. The UK is far more equal than Pakistan is, that is a fact. In the UK, women aren't told to cover up for a man's mistake. The fact that you even mention body parts as a justification shows how you are primitive. If you think men can't contain themselves because a woman isn't entirely covered, you're the problem. Lowering of your gaze isn't practical in all scenarios, especially when you have female co-workers. That doesn't mean stare at the body, but you should be able to look then in the eye. Islam says a lot of things, but the bottom line is it is an old ideology, and everything isn't applicable to today (i.e, slavery).

Wait, so you can say I don't know who the girl is, but you can say he didn't know it could go public? How do you know that? Why would someone agree to be pictured exposing their awrah anyway? Be consistent.
 
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