Painful and torturous to watch cricket under Misbah-ul-Haq/Waqar Younis

[Slim]

I absolutely am hating watching Pakistan cricket right now. I could not ever imagine finding cricket so repulsive to watch.

Pathetic tactics and defensive game style. Bowlers like Irfan who we had long shunned bowling for us again. Garbage players like Asif and Ifthikar playing as specialist batsmen.

Its simply terrible and painful to watch Pakistan cricket right now. May this misery ends soon.

 

[Snowflake]

Quite a few here on PP were calling for Mickey's head... So, I guess this is karma.. We deserve these mindless people at the helm. Silver lining is that this might just show the true caliber of Misbah who by some is hailed as a genius or the best cricketing brain in Pakistan which is a just laughable

 

[Slim]

Quite a few here on PP were calling for Mickey's head... So, I guess this is karma.. We deserve these mindless people at the helm. Silver lining is that this might just show the true caliber of Misbah who by some is hailed as a genius or the best cricketing brain in Pakistan which is a just laughable

Whoever thinks Misbah is the best cricketing brain needs to stop watching cricket. Hes an absolutely mediocre player at best.

 

[Mamoon]

Mickey might be a top coach but it wasn’t working for Pakistan and he had to go. The record breaking losing streak in ODIs and the decline in the Test fortunes cannot he ignored. However, for some reason, PCB thought Misbah was the man to turn things around.

 

[Indiafan]

Tactics of selecting tried older players like Umar, Shehzad and Irfan clearly not working. The previous young team was playing so much better

I was also surprised that so many in the match thread wanted Karman back in international team as some great hitter. Clearly the lesson to learn is that their time in international cricket is over and youngsters work better

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

The worst hasn't come yet. They selected the mighty Imran Khan Sr for the test series...

 

[Hawkeye]

No surprise coming from a Mickey Arthur fan, the darkest era of Pakistan cricket.

We were on a perpetual losing streak, longest losing streak in ODIs, forgot what victory meant in the premier Test format, started losing even at our home!

That dark era is ending. We'll start winning Tests starting from home and become competitive in ODIs.

Not to mention Mickey Arthur's love for Sarfraz and Malik. Glad we got rid of them.

Of course it's gonna be painful for the dark era fan. I'm just looking forward to our young pacers and team play the Tests and ODIs.

 

[Rayyman]

After seeing what happened to Irfan today, I am desperately waiting to see Abbas, Iftikhar, Imran Sr and Kashif exposed. Hopefully then Misbah will go to a more young team in 2020.

 

[Slim]

Mickey might be a top coach but it wasn’t working for Pakistan and he had to go. The record breaking losing streak in ODIs and the decline in the Test fortunes cannot he ignored. However, for some reason, PCB thought Misbah was the man to turn things around.

No surprise coming from a Mickey Arthur fan, the darkest era of Pakistan cricket.

We were on a perpetual losing streak, longest losing streak in ODIs, forgot what victory meant in the premier Test format, started losing even at our home!

That dark era is ending. We'll start winning Tests starting from home and become competitive in ODIs.

Not to mention Mickey Arthur's love for Sarfraz and Malik. Glad we got rid of them.

Of course it's gonna be painful for the dark era fan. I'm just looking forward to our young pacers and team play the Tests and ODIs.

What do you mean by perputual losing streak in ODIs? May i remind you that Pakistan was experimenting before the WC and therefore suffered losses. Why do you have memories of a gold fish? We almost made it to the semi finals by defeating two finalists only to be done by the NRR. We improved our ODI ranking and won an ICC tournament. Need i remind you of how pathetic Pakistan's LOI performance was under last Misbah/Waqar regime?

This is the same Australia who we kicked around in a t20I tri series just a year ago and now the team doesnt even have the vibe of the number one t20I team anymore?

Mickey was the one who took us out of the Misbah/Waqar/Azhar dark era and it just got back with full force.

I know hawkeye that people like you prefer to see Misbah no matter even if we get relegated to Associate level. That is the amount of fan love you have for your god. So lets not even expect anything logical coming from your end.

Youngsters in tests? Are you taking the ****? How is Imran Khan Sr. a youngster and Azhar Ali a younsgter captain?

 

[Snowflake]

No surprise coming from a Mickey Arthur fan, the darkest era of Pakistan cricket.

We were on a perpetual losing streak, longest losing streak in ODIs, forgot what victory meant in the premier Test format, started losing even at our home!

That dark era is ending. We'll start winning Tests starting from home and become competitive in ODIs.

Not to mention Mickey Arthur's love for Sarfraz and Malik. Glad we got rid of them.

Of course it's gonna be painful for the dark era fan. I'm just looking forward to our young pacers and team play the Tests and ODIs.

Didn't we fall to our lowest ever ODI ranking under Misbah? How brighter was that vs under Mickey? Please don't say things just because you have to argue

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I absolutely am hating watching Pakistan cricket right now. I could not ever imagine finding cricket so repulsive to watch.

Pathetic tactics and defensive game style. Bowlers like Irfan who we had long shunned bowling for us again. Garbage players like Asif and Ifthikar playing as specialist batsmen.

Its simply terrible and painful to watch Pakistan cricket right now. May this misery ends soon.

The torture hasn't begun yet, lil bro . You will know the real meaning of PaIN when Warner smacks Imran to all parts of Australia in the tests

 

[Shafi]

Both Misbah and Waqar will be there for 5-7 years so just relax. They have huge supports from desi legends and PCB.

 

[Nov15]

How come nobody blames PM Imran Khan for this mess? ‘Selecting’ Misbah as the coach & chief selector was an open secret & foregone conclusion. Entire process was a sham.

 

[Slim]

Mickey might be a top coach but it wasn’t working for Pakistan and he had to go. The record breaking losing streak in ODIs and the decline in the Test fortunes cannot he ignored. However, for some reason, PCB thought Misbah was the man to turn things around.

The torture hasn't begun yet, lil bro . You will know the real meaning of PaIN when Warner smacks Imran to all parts of Australia in the tests

Whenever we go to Australia, we always embarrass ourselves more often due to our team selection and external factors. Same situation this time.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Mickey might be a top coach but it wasn’t working for Pakistan and he had to go. The record breaking losing streak in ODIs and the decline in the Test fortunes cannot he ignored. However, for some reason, PCB thought Misbah was the man to turn things around.

Mickey should have been given more time. Sarfraz should have been the one to have suffered the consequences, but as a coach Mickey did a lot right.

Misbah has undone pretty much all he did in the space of 1.5 series. Shehzad, Akmal and Irfan are blatant howlers. It's like a troll-job in progress.

 

[silent ischemia]

Well having watched the national T20 tournament I am sorry to say we don't have quality players in the shorter formats. If Asif is the best we have in the power hitting role it speaks volumes about the drop in quality we have had post 90s.

 

[Asif321]

I enjoyed watching Pakistan under Micky and Sarfraz . Even we lost but Team looked like moving ahead which was avident in last 4 games of WC
Micky kept deadwoods out of team
Under Misbah and Waqar we have seen the results during 2012-2015
Poor babar will be used on remote control by these two and Azhar is the perfect yes man for Waqar and Misbah . Pretty bad things coming ahead

 

[Boiz Played Well]

PCB is still figuring out the difference between qualifications for TV analyst and team coach. Javed Miandad, Mohsin Khan, Misbah. It has been a long-standing tradition.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Mickey might be a top coach but it wasn’t working for Pakistan and he had to go. The record breaking losing streak in ODIs and the decline in the Test fortunes cannot he ignored. However, for some reason, PCB thought Misbah was the man to turn things around.

Agree with this. Misbah's abysmal performance does not excuse Mickey's tactical and emotional failures. Mickey had to go.

Misbah will learn with his oldies experiments that he is living in the past.

What irks me is that all these experiments happen in Australia - where Pakistanis are more desperate to win than anywhere else.

 

[Hasan123]

Watching us lose nearly every game against decent teams under Sarfaraz and Mickey was not entertaining.

 

[Shazzam]

Watching us lose nearly every game against decent teams under Sarfaraz and Mickey was not entertaining.

True these losses are more entertaining.

 

[Hasan123]

True these losses are more entertaining.

We are not entertaining team regardless who is coach.

 

[emranabbas]

Watching us lose nearly every game against decent teams under Sarfaraz and Mickey was not entertaining.

With Mickey we had hope, if Mickey was to be replaced it should have been with some one better not someone like misbah

We were better off with Mickey

 

[Markhor]

Just keep these Pakistani ex-players away from coaching positions. We've never done well under these former greats who every time they open their mouths in a TV studio show their intellectual and tactical limitations.

Is it any surprise the most success we've had since the turn of the century came under Bob Woolmer and Mickey Arthur - two coaches incidentally loathed by the ex-player mafia.

 

[unemployedgm]

Quite a few here on PP were calling for Mickey's head... So, I guess this is karma.. We deserve these mindless people at the helm. Silver lining is that this might just show the true caliber of Misbah who by some is hailed as a genius or the best cricketing brain in Pakistan which is a just laughable

It was similarly painful watching Pakistan Under Mickey Arthur.

 

[unemployedgm]

Just keep these Pakistani ex-players away from coaching positions. We've never done well under these former greats who every time they open their mouths in a TV studio show their intellectual and tactical limitations.

Is it any surprise the most success we've had since the turn of the century came under Bob Woolmer and Mickey Arthur - two coaches incidentally loathed by the ex-player mafia.

Spot On. For example, does anyone want to hear from Aqib Javed after he's run Lahore to the ground. PSL is the best thing to happen to Pakistan Cricket because it's exposing the intellectual capacity of many coaches and former players.

 

[unemployedgm]

With Mickey we had hope, if Mickey was to be replaced it should have been with some one better not someone like misbah

We were better off with Mickey

Hope. Really?

 

[Shazzam]

We are not entertaining team regardless who is coach.

I highly disagree with that. During Mickey’s time this team was very entertaining. If it was not the players it was Mickey’s own facial expressions that made the experience more entertaining.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

as a player , all the respect i had for misbah, is all gone now... well , lost 95% when he picked the garbage of Umar Akmal in the T20 and rest with persisting with failures like fakhar and bringing back irfan...

Rizwan has to open if he is to play in the T20z .... he cannot come at no4 .....

Fakhar has to go ..and go big time...

my fear is tht misbah will keep playing asif n fakhar and irfan and not give chance to any youngster ...

the garbage-man on the mission to destroy pak cricket

 

[Hasan123]

I highly disagree with that. During Mickey’s time this team was very entertaining. If it was not the players it was Mickey’s own facial expressions that made the experience more entertaining.

I didn’t find the 5-0 defeat to NZ, the 5-0 loss to Australia, the defeats to Sri Lanka and NZ in tests,the 3-0 defeat to South Africa entertaining. I found it humiliating.

 

[Shazzam]

I didn’t find the 5-0 defeat to NZ, the 5-0 loss to Australia, the defeats to Sri Lanka and NZ in tests,the 3-0 defeat to South Africa entertaining. I found it humiliating.

Do you expect us to do better now?

 

[Kroll]

Bear in mind that some decisions taken were out of Arthur’s hands during his stint due to powerful senior/budda lobbies.

 

[farhan]

How come nobody blames PM Imran Khan for this mess? ‘Selecting’ Misbah as the coach & chief selector was an open secret & foregone conclusion. Entire process was a sham.

And also the way Mr. Ehsan Mani & Wasim Khan were brought in PCB to destroy it completely. We had seen the corrupt Najam Sethi mafia during the PMLN tenure and now it's PTI"s term to destroy the Pakistan cricket by bringing buddies and party loyalists into the management.

 

[Mirpur express]

chacha Ifti & baba Irfan ahead of Khusdil & Hassnain ** can some1 explain how chacha Ifti is in all three squads?!

 

[Jabo]

I called it the very first second

Waqar is just here for the free ride and $

Time after time they choose to select him
Hope it ends in a huge disaster because they (pcp) made their bed

People think he is a bowling coach.. as the head coach he had input in all areas and failed
Now you expect him to do something just as a bowling coach

 

[Hasan123]

Do you expect us to do better now?

Was hoping for better selections and more strategy.

 

[Markhor]

I called it the very first second

Waqar is just here for the free ride and $

Time after time they choose to select him
Hope it ends in a huge disaster because they (pcp) made their bed

People think he is a bowling coach.. as the head coach he had input in all areas and failed
Now you expect him to do something just as a bowling coach

Waqar is back to his usual politics. Already he has reassembled the same pace attack from the dismal 2016 WT20 campaign that he masterminded.

 

[Titan24]

One has to realize that Hassan and Shaheen werent available while Malik and Hafeez were ousted as per wishes. So combination was gonna be effected.

You only need Hassan and Shaheen to be fit, Haffeez and Malik (If thats what you think is needed) to he called back and you will be seeing the same team which was playing under Mickey in T20s.

 

[Khan12]

Malik can barley put bat on ball against good opposition let alone against pace. Hasan is garbage and even after his injury i hope we never select him. Shaheen i understand while hafeez is rubbish too.

 

[coy0607]

Misbah has 2-3 disastrous selections in every series so far which have totally sucked the energy out of watching this team play. Shehzad and Akmal again SL, now it’s Irfan, Asif Ali, even Wahab who’ll only hurt the team. And we got Imran Jr making his comeback in the tests.

 

[DRsohail]

One has to realize that Hassan and Shaheen werent available while Malik and Hafeez were ousted as per wishes. So combination was gonna be effected.

You only need Hassan and Shaheen to be fit, Haffeez and Malik (If thats what you think is needed) to he called back and you will be seeing the same team which was playing under Mickey in T20s.

We surely did not need Irfan, Iftikhar and Asif. Its not my job yo coach, its his job for which he has been paid, I see dark times ahead.

 

[Titan24]

We surely did not need Irfan, Iftikhar and Asif. Its not my job yo coach, its his job for which he has been paid, I see dark times ahead.

Asif has played countless matches under Mickey before being selected bu Misbah. I also dont know many young dynamic batsmen with bit of experience as well to replace Malik and Hafeez in T20s. Iftikhar, Khushdil, Asif Ali are the performers in domestic T20s and PSL and dont know some talented players missing out.

I agree that Irfan and Imran Khan’s selections are questionable but they both wont be in the squads when Hassan Ali in both squads and Shaheen is available for T20s. Musa and Naseem performing would take older bowlers further away.

 

[Slim]

I called it the very first second

Waqar is just here for the free ride and $

Time after time they choose to select him
Hope it ends in a huge disaster because they (pcp) made their bed

People think he is a bowling coach.. as the head coach he had input in all areas and failed
Now you expect him to do something just as a bowling coach

Waqar is back to his usual politics. Already he has reassembled the same pace attack from the dismal 2016 WT20 campaign that he masterminded.

I wouldnt blame Waqar wholly who is for sure here for the free ride, petty politics and $ but i would put more blame on the buffoons heading the PCB who keep going back to Waqar even though he has already failed twice as a coach.

Height of besharmi to select one guy and remove him again and again.

 

[sjahmed23]

Just keep these Pakistani ex-players away from coaching positions. We've never done well under these former greats who every time they open their mouths in a TV studio show their intellectual and tactical limitations.

Is it any surprise the most success we've had since the turn of the century came under Bob Woolmer and Mickey Arthur - two coaches incidentally loathed by the ex-player mafia.

Lol our people are just such toxic individuals. Misbah comes across as down to earth compare to others but his analytical abilities are questionable. You don't need a ton of cricket experience to see that Iran is well past his time. Watching him bowl in Australia was embarassing.

 

[Saj]

Bear in mind that some decisions taken were out of Arthur’s hands during his stint due to powerful senior/budda lobbies.

It'll be interesting to see whether Misbah is given full control or whether the back-door selections will continue to happen as they have over the years.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

These 2 are the epitome of booriat.

 

[Shafi]

Whatever left in Pakistan cricket Misbah-Waqar combo will destroy that.

 

[Shafi]

It'll be interesting to see whether Misbah is given full control or whether the back-door selections will continue to happen as they have over the years.

Misbah himself is a questionable character and have a preference of his buddies.

 

[Shafi]

So what is the job of Waqar? How on earth he agreed the selection of useless players like Wahab and Irfan?

 

[coy0607]

No doubt Misbah will be successful in getting Pakistan ranked #7 or lower in all 3 format

 

[Kroll]

No doubt Misbah will be successful in getting Pakistan ranked #7 or lower in all 3 format

Likely to be lower in the LOI formats, best getting used to being a loser/minnow team, the pain will be easier to handle.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

It'll be interesting to see whether Misbah is given full control or whether the back-door selections will continue to happen as they have over the years.

Misbah can do no wrong.

 

[octavian]

This is absolutely appalling but nothing unexpected. The same pain of highest proportions was inflicted on the Pak fan when Misbah was captain and waqar the coach.

Inzi/Mickey alleviated that pain to some extent and things were looking promising and they were sacked just at the wrong time.

I have been a supporter of Wasim/Mani regime and they have done some good things but this is unforgivable. The right step would have been to remove Sarfraz and keep Mickey/Inzi.

Sadly the exact opposite happened and the worst people possible (Misbah/Waqar) were chosen to run things yet again.

We are going to the bottom of the rankings in every format.

 

[Afhan Ali]

Let's see What Pakistan pathetic media will do?

Will they be able to throw out Misbah from these roles with their posts, tweets, reporting, articles etc?

 

[Afhan Ali]

So hard to be Pakistani fan.
Mickey was poor for Pakistan team but Misbah is/was/will be cancer for Pakistan team.

 

[Khan12]

It'll be interesting to see whether Misbah is given full control or whether the back-door selections will continue to happen as they have over the years.

We all know who's picks are Irfan, bhatti, imran etc definitely not back door selections. No coach ever was our selector too and misbah has this privilege as well so all the blame will be on shameless misbah.

 

[haris93]

Mickey might be a top coach but it wasn’t working for Pakistan and he had to go. The record breaking losing streak in ODIs and the decline in the Test fortunes cannot he ignored. However, for some reason, PCB thought Misbah was the man to turn things around.

beggars can't be choosers

 

[Mamoon]

beggars can't be choosers

Beggars can have common-sense though.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

When will Misbah realize that old domestic performers just perform in domestic cricket because they just learn how to by having heaps of experience, that doesn't mean that they will perform in International Cricket as well, you got to have an eye to spot the player capable of delivering at the highest level. Misbah certainly haven't got it and add his own little story doesn't help either

 

[MMHS]

Was it really that exciting under Arthur? Really?

I know PAK won the battle royal on 5th July under Arthur, and scored 300+ few times - but that PAK side lost defending 300+ few times as well and with my long, long years experience, I can safely say that between two alarming signs, if I am given an option of rating which one at AAA Red - 1. PAK failing to chase 200 or 2. PAK failing to defend 300 .... I know which one is my choice, and I know my cricket a little as well. I am too old to be impressed by the brilliance of PAK best ever top three, that Arthur's team possessed ......

Wasn't it painful at Asia Cup 2018, wasn't it painful in that glorious run of 3-23, wasn't it painful to concede 0-2 against Junior Dala's SAF in T20s, wasn't it painful to watch 16/6 after 15 overs chasing 250+ in a Series saver, wasn't it painful to get spanked inside 35 overs (in a 100 overs game) against that WIN .... I am not even recalling back the memories of SRL Test series, NZ Test Series, SAF Test series?

Posters here would like to drink blood of Misbah & WY, because of a false belief ............. guys, the barrel is empty, trust me - not much left to scratch. Have patience, and give them some time - it won't happen over night.

 

[Hasan]

Under MA we did win the CT and were ranked the no. one T20 side. That was exciting, especially beating India in a major ICC tournament.

I think Pakistan will not be achieving such highs for some time to come.

 

[MMHS]

Under MA we did win the CT and were ranked the no. one T20 side. That was exciting, especially beating India in a major ICC tournament.

I think Pakistan will not be achieving such highs for some time to come.

That's one off - it can happen. WI did win the same trophy in 2004 as well. That No. 1 ranking is one of the biggest bluffs of this game - had there not been T20 WC in 2020 & 2021, PAK still would have remained No. 1 for many many years. But yes, Arthur's start was good, but he faded away alarmingly - Misbah/WY has started from rock bottom - can't go down further much.

I think, the concern right now shouldn't be reaching high, rather not dropping further - Arthur's era scared me at it's end to be honest, he started to talk sweet and protect his job - that always ends in compromise.

 

[Cricketrenew]

Misbah and Waqar are performing as predicted they really have turned things around.
From a winning side to a losing side.....

You have to question what really is going on.

Mickey Arthur was doing a professional job.... now we are back to the same old formulae.

No point watching Pakistan till these two get sacked.

 

[Usman Chadda]

That's one off - it can happen. WI did win the same trophy in 2004 as well. That No. 1 ranking is one of the biggest bluffs of this game - had there not been T20 WC in 2020 & 2021, PAK still would have remained No. 1 for many many years. But yes, Arthur's start was good, but he faded away alarmingly - Misbah/WY has started from rock bottom - can't go down further much.

I think, the concern right now shouldn't be reaching high, rather not dropping further - Arthur's era scared me at it's end to be honest, he started to talk sweet and protect his job - that always ends in compromise.

I honestly don't see Pakistan beating both WC finalists in a WC under Misbah. Arthur was no hero, but he was building a young team with decent fitness standards. He certainly didn't jeapordize his chances by selecting duds like Shehzad, Akmal and Irfan.

Babar is a product of Arthur. Imam is a product of Arthur. Shaheen is a product of Arthur. What do you see Misbah producing, with the selection howlers we have seen thus far? What did he produce when he was captain?

Also Pakistan lost two very close games to South Africa, and destroyed them in the third game. They had England come up stuck against them in the one-off T20, before Morgan decided to go all nuts on Faheem Ashraf. Nowhere did we get owned like we are right now under Misbah even when we lost, against better teams in foreign conditions by the way. If the barrel was so barren, we wouldn't have nailed a much stronger Sri Lanka 3-0 back in 2017.

Arthur's Pakistan was inconsistent. Misbah's Pakistan is diabolical.

 

[ZamanFan]

It was expected, when I heard Misbah being chosen by the biased Pcb, I mentally prepared for the dark times ahead, stopped watching Pakistan team live. And it has really helped or the pain and torture would've been unbearable.
When Imran Khan replaced Sethi with Ehsan Mani, I was extremely elated system will improve, new talent will finally get chances and promising talent will be groomed and our national team will dominate all 3 formats with attractive star cricketers the Saeed Anwars like the 90s. Never thought what catastrophe awaits Pakistan cricket.
Ehsan Mani has been enjoying a honeymoon like tenure for 15 months. It needs to be written about and discussed by so-called cricket writers. He has been sucking life out of Pakistan cricket ever since he began. Imported a yesman from British county to strip Pakistani cricketers' livelihoods for a sham regional setup to please Imran Khan which has put almost all cricketers jobless.

For fans first wake up call was nepotism extraordinaire chief selector Inzamam's gradual gains in influence and power under Mani to force Arthur and Sarfraz to submit and continue with Malik and Hafeez. His shameful nepotism for his nephew with 3rd grade technique.
Inzamam continued to manipulate and shield his favored posse with Mani's backing. Threw out Shinwari, Faheem and deserving Junaid from world cup squad. Just before the World Cup removed 6 probable players including captain Sarfaraz and Brought back Umar Akmal and Ahmed Shehzad for odi series against Australia. With Ehsan Mani's blessings Inzamam was physically in the Pakistan dressing room interfering in the team staffs' domain uptil India match, where we lost the quest to be in Final four.

Before blaming Misbah/Waqar, we should look further up who brought them back and who devastated and dismantled Pakistan cricket infrastructure.

 

[MMHS]

I honestly don't see Pakistan beating both WC finalists in a WC under Misbah. Arthur was no hero, but he was building a young team with decent fitness standards. He certainly didn't jeapordize his chances by selecting duds like Shehzad, Akmal and Irfan.

Babar is a product of Arthur. Imam is a product of Arthur. Shaheen is a product of Arthur. What do you see Misbah producing, with the selection howlers we have seen thus far? What did he produce when he was captain?

Also Pakistan lost two very close games to South Africa, and destroyed them in the third game. They had England come up stuck against them in the one-off T20, before Morgan decided to go all nuts on Faheem Ashraf. Nowhere did we get owned like we are right now under Misbah even when we lost, against better teams in foreign conditions by the way. If the barrel was so barren, we wouldn't have nailed a much stronger Sri Lanka 3-0 back in 2017.

Arthur's Pakistan was inconsistent. Misbah's Pakistan is diabolical.

Arthur’s PAK wasn’t inconsistent actually- it started at the right time (he had very little input for that 2015 uk tour); and faded away alarmingly. Misbah’s team started from that decline - it’ll take time to recover. Obviously there can’t be any comparison with a world class, level 4 professional coach with 25 years of experience at highest level and a novice in his first coaching/management job, who was bang average even as player, captain or visionary - but he didn’t choose himself and PCB had very little choice but to appoint a lokhal great after the reaction by your formers “greats”. Any given day, Misbah is much better than MHK, Javed or WY....

And I repeat - the mother of all problem is that delusion, which I don’t want to repeat hurting your feelings again. The soul searching has to start from within first - they wanted to protect No. 1 ranking (1-2 could have done that and next 3 T20Is are against us); hence Irfaaan - it wasn’t an ego or choice by the coaching staff, rather it’s just a desperation - I wish they give the youngsta but is a game at WACA. Arthur can talk smart now, but the decline started from him, it’s just a continuation at accelerating rate. We can argue why 40+ Irfan, but everyone is selfish in crisis, Misbah as well.

 

[topspin]

Was it really that exciting under Arthur? Really?

I know PAK won the battle royal on 5th July under Arthur, and scored 300+ few times - but that PAK side lost defending 300+ few times as well and with my long, long years experience, I can safely say that between two alarming signs, if I am given an option of rating which one at AAA Red - 1. PAK failing to chase 200 or 2. PAK failing to defend 300 .... I know which one is my choice, and I know my cricket a little as well. I am too old to be impressed by the brilliance of PAK best ever top three, that Arthur's team possessed ......

Wasn't it painful at Asia Cup 2018, wasn't it painful in that glorious run of 3-23, wasn't it painful to concede 0-2 against Junior Dala's SAF in T20s, wasn't it painful to watch 16/6 after 15 overs chasing 250+ in a Series saver, wasn't it painful to get spanked inside 35 overs (in a 100 overs game) against that WIN .... I am not even recalling back the memories of SRL Test series, NZ Test Series, SAF Test series?

Posters here would like to drink blood of Misbah & WY, because of a false belief ............. guys, the barrel is empty, trust me - not much left to scratch. Have patience, and give them some time - it won't happen over night.

It seems you approve of PCB's appointment of Misbah as Head Coach and you are entitled to that opinion.

However what doesn't make sense is that not so long ago you claimed he wasn't good enough to be the Head Coach for Zimbabwe and Ireland cricket sides.

This is some contradiction.

 

[unemployedgm]

Pakistan has all the symptoms of a bad cricket team. That will only change when we start to think about cricket a little differently.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Arthur’s PAK wasn’t inconsistent actually- it started at the right time (he had very little input for that 2015 uk tour); and faded away alarmingly. Misbah’s team started from that decline - it’ll take time to recover. Obviously there can’t be any comparison with a world class, level 4 professional coach with 25 years of experience at highest level and a novice in his first coaching/management job, who was bang average even as player, captain or visionary - but he didn’t choose himself and PCB had very little choice but to appoint a lokhal great after the reaction by your formers “greats”. Any given day, Misbah is much better than MHK, Javed or WY....

And I repeat - the mother of all problem is that delusion, which I don’t want to repeat hurting your feelings again. The soul searching has to start from within first - they wanted to protect No. 1 ranking (1-2 could have done that and next 3 T20Is are against us); hence Irfaaan - it wasn’t an ego or choice by the coaching staff, rather it’s just a desperation - I wish they give the youngsta but is a game at WACA. Arthur can talk smart now, but the decline started from him, it’s just a continuation at accelerating rate. We can argue why 40+ Irfan, but everyone is selfish in crisis, Misbah as well.

Look, stop repeating the same thing and shoving your opinion down other's throat. How did the decline start with Arthur? His T20 team was doing fine till we got mauled by Sri Lanka D at home under Misbah. We had lost THREE games in how long, two by minuscule margins. If you're talking about Tests, then Arthur has always had rubbish results in Test cricket and very inconsistent form in ODI cricket.

My feelings won't be hurt by some random post by a poster who is well out of his depth. You are implying I believe we were world beaters under Mickey, to which I would say you have severe comprehension issues. Although, if we are scraping the bottom of the barrel and yet coming in joint fourth in the number of points in a WC, then I feel for the likes of South Africa, West Indies and Bangladesh. If we were always scraping the bottom of the barrel, we wouldn't be beating better teams than Sri Lanka D left, right and centre under Mickey Arthur in the past two years.

Stop justifying Irfan's selection. It's not desperation. It's ego (and an old habit you might say), and an intent to justify this stupid ego that will end up ruining whatever little we have left of Pakistan cricket right now.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Look, stop repeating the same thing and shoving your opinion down other's throat. How did the decline start with Arthur? His T20 team was doing fine till we got mauled by Sri Lanka D at home under Misbah. We had lost THREE games in how long, two by minuscule margins. If you're talking about Tests, then Arthur has always had rubbish results in Test cricket and very inconsistent form in ODI cricket.

My feelings won't be hurt by some random post by a poster who is well out of his depth. You are implying I believe we were world beaters under Mickey, to which I would say you have severe comprehension issues. Although, if we are scraping the bottom of the barrel and yet coming in joint fourth in the number of points in a WC, then I feel for the likes of South Africa, West Indies and Bangladesh. If we were always scraping the bottom of the barrel, we wouldn't be beating better teams than Sri Lanka D left, right and centre under Mickey Arthur in the past two years.

Stop justifying Irfan's selection. It's not desperation. It's ego (and an old habit you might say), and an intent to justify this stupid ego that will end up ruining whatever little we have left of Pakistan cricket right now.

And having rubbish results in Tests, the purest and most important form the game, is enough to sack Arthur alone for. Losing to NZ and SL at home is unforgivable and still stings me to this day. I would much rather take Misbah who can perform in tests than a coach like Arthur who can only perform in a clown fiests, stupid format like T20?

 

[ZamanFan]

It seems you approve of PCB's appointment of Misbah as Head Coach and you are entitled to that opinion.

However what doesn't make sense is that not so long ago you claimed he wasn't good enough to be the Head Coach for Zimbabwe and Ireland cricket sides.

This is some contradiction.

Scary comments which you replied to.
Feels like we're back to 2013.
When Pakistan under champion Misbah played against Zimbabwe and make those matches competitive and lose to Zimbabwe.
Misbah left PAkistan is such a pathetic situation in rank 9th, it was almost set to play qualifiers and decided not to tour Zimbabwe fearing if it loses [which it would've] they won't qualify for Champions Trophy.
Seems we are back to those troubled times. Same excuses, we don't have talent, all the cronies Umar Akmal, Shehzad, Hafeez, Malik, captain Misbah and coach Waqar Younis are the best we have.
Then came Sharjeels and a chap ignored for 3 years, called a T20 hack by name of Fakhar Zaman who was given chance by Arthur to replace Shehzad and won us a multinational tournament against India, whom Misbah loves to lose from like the 2007 World T20 or that sick performance in World cup Semi Final 2011.

If it was not for corrupt Zaka Ashraf and Touqeer Zia would be in charge, Misbah would never have played for Pakistan a day more after World Cup Semi Final in 2011.

 

[srh]

It'll be interesting to see whether Misbah is given full control or whether the back-door selections will continue to happen as they have over the years.

Usman Qadir and Irfan looks like back-door selections imposed on Misbah.

 

[MMHS]

It seems you approve of PCB's appointment of Misbah as Head Coach and you are entitled to that opinion.

However what doesn't make sense is that not so long ago you claimed he wasn't good enough to be the Head Coach for Zimbabwe and Ireland cricket sides.

This is some contradiction.

I don’t approve- but PP as a whole have to realise the mind set of PAK cricket management when PCB chairman’s advisor gets away with calling a top international coach, donkey in live telecast.

Most of us here have very good idea about Misbah’s coaching credentials, but he is better than any other local still. That ad suggested (I called it then & then), PCB wanted a local and Misbah is the available best; at least guy is educated, articulate and respected. You think it would have been better with Basit Ali, Aquib Javed, Mohsin Khan, Javed Miandad?

In any case - Arthur dug his own hole; Misbah was there at the right time.

 

[topspin]

Scary comments which you replied to.
Feels like we're back to 2013.
When Pakistan under champion Misbah played against Zimbabwe and make those matches competitive and lose to Zimbabwe.
Misbah left PAkistan is such a pathetic situation in rank 9th, it was almost set to play qualifiers and decided not to tour Zimbabwe fearing if it loses [which it would've] they won't qualify for Champions Trophy.
Seems we are back to those troubled times. Same excuses, we don't have talent, all the cronies Umar Akmal, Shehzad, Hafeez, Malik, captain Misbah and coach Waqar Younis are the best we have.
Then came Sharjeels and a chap ignored for 3 years, called a T20 hack by name of Fakhar Zaman who was given chance by Arthur to replace Shehzad and won us a multinational tournament against India, whom Misbah loves to lose from like the 2007 World T20 or that sick performance in World cup Semi Final 2011.

If it was not for corrupt Zaka Ashraf and Touqeer Zia would be in charge, Misbah would never have played for Pakistan a day more after World Cup Semi Final in 2011.

Couldn't agree more with this.

2013 was a dark year for Pakistan cricket. Not only did we see Misbah's team lose a test against a substandard Zimbabwe team but also go into the CT later that year, losing every single game because he opted for a pathetic batting line-up comprising of: Imran Farhat, Hafeez, Kamran Akmal, Shoaib Malik, Asad Shafiq and Umar Amin.

I have always maintained that Misbah should never have played another Limited Over match after that Mohali innings and his time was in tests following the 2013 Zimbabwe series. This was the right time for him to be replaced by Fawad Alam. Either him or Younis Khan should have led the red ball side.

 

[MMHS]

Look, stop repeating the same thing and shoving your opinion down other's throat. How did the decline start with Arthur? His T20 team was doing fine till we got mauled by Sri Lanka D at home under Misbah. We had lost THREE games in how long, two by minuscule margins. If you're talking about Tests, then Arthur has always had rubbish results in Test cricket and very inconsistent form in ODI cricket.

My feelings won't be hurt by some random post by a poster who is well out of his depth. You are implying I believe we were world beaters under Mickey, to which I would say you have severe comprehension issues. Although, if we are scraping the bottom of the barrel and yet coming in joint fourth in the number of points in a WC, then I feel for the likes of South Africa, West Indies and Bangladesh. If we were always scraping the bottom of the barrel, we wouldn't be beating better teams than Sri Lanka D left, right and centre under Mickey Arthur in the past two years.

Stop justifying Irfan's selection. It's not desperation. It's ego (and an old habit you might say), and an intent to justify this stupid ego that will end up ruining whatever little we have left of Pakistan cricket right now.

Arthur/Sarfraz’s PAK team did beat teams left right & centre ... by the name of the team, indeed. But, what you are conveniently forgetting is part of my post that tells “junior Dala”. Apart from PAK & AFG, no one gives much hoot about bilateral T20s, so Arthur’s PAK shoved some heads. Now the problem is that there are two T20 WCs in next two years ..... and teams are looking for their T20 combination, even Aussies.

No, losing to SRL reserves in T20 series wasn’t a bigger disaster than the Asia Cup of 2018.... when after lots of long, high & triple jumps, your players celebrated the win against AFGs by inch like winning the World Cup (& your coach planned final before reaching there).

You must have known something more than me, otherwise I am not sure why two former PAK Captains for a decade should feel the ego to bring back an obsolete pacer, who last played almost 4 years and dropped from team under the same man captain that time - may be impressed by his size.

 

[Abdullah]

Mickey was doing a fine job with the resources, we are seeing all that now.

Why do people bang on about the losing streak In Odis pre world cup. We don't have a squad of top class players coming in if we don't play our first eleven.
The resting of players pre world cup was important, and we were unlucky to miss out on QFs. That's is all that mattered.

T20s were a doddle with Mickey and when u here him speak about these games, he is spot on.

In tests he got it wrong at home big time, but we were laying down some good stuff for overseas tests with a young team.
Even now if Azhar and Asad come good, our test batting will do well even in Aus. I have those 2 down as the weak links!

 

[topspin]

I don’t approve- but PP as a whole have to realise the mind set of PAK cricket management when PCB chairman’s advisor gets away with calling a top international coach, donkey in live telecast.

Most of us here have very good idea about Misbah’s coaching credentials, but he is better than any other local still. That ad suggested (I called it then & then), PCB wanted a local and Misbah is the available best; at least guy is educated, articulate and respected. You think it would have been better with Basit Ali, Aquib Javed, Mohsin Khan, Javed Miandad?

In any case - Arthur dug his own hole; Misbah was there at the right time.

In an environment that breeds hatred, as you pointed out with MHK's remarks towards Mickey, I can now understand the thinking behind this, so thank you for clarifying.

If the criteria was strictly for a Pakistani Coach however, I still wouldn't want Misbah because I see Younis Khan as a better fit for Misbah's current dual role.

Yes Misbah is educated and holds an MBA but unfortunately that intelligence doesn't translate to a high cricketing IQ.

Younis Khan displayed his superior cricketing intelligence and natural ability to read the game, not only as a batsman but also during his captaincy days when he led his side to glory during the 2009 WT20. I was also fond of his captaincy later that year in the Champions Trophy as well.

Given Younis Khan was a legendary batsman and an ATG player of spin during his career, Pakistan cricket would have benefited immensely from utilising his technical expertise in this regard.

Yes we know he can be an emotional man but that is a risk I am prepared to accept, just like I am hoping with Mourinho to replace Emery (as an avid Arsenal fan), I would be prepared to take the risk over his poor track record of man management as well.

 

[MMHS]

In an environment that breeds hatred, as you pointed out with MHK's remarks towards Mickey, I can now understand the thinking behind this, so thank you for clarifying.

If the criteria was strictly for a Pakistani Coach however, I still wouldn't want Misbah because I see Younis Khan as a better fit for Misbah's current dual role.

Yes Misbah is educated and holds an MBA but unfortunately that intelligence doesn't translate to a high cricketing IQ.

Younis Khan displayed his superior cricketing intelligence and natural ability to read the game, not only as a batsman but also during his captaincy days when he led his side to glory during the 2009 WT20. I was also fond of his captaincy later that year in the Champions Trophy as well.

Given Younis Khan was a legendary batsman and an ATG player of spin during his career, Pakistan cricket would have benefited immensely from utilising his technical expertise in this regard.

Yes we know he can be an emotional man but that is a risk I am prepared to accept, just like I am hoping with Mourinho to replace Emery (as an avid Arsenal fan), I would be prepared to take the risk over his poor track record of man management as well.

Misbah ul Haq is the coaching version of Dinesh Ramdhin - as I mentioned that time. PCB is forced to appoint him (though this time there is not much issue regarding the salary). If a qualified foreigner was PCT coach I am damn sure PAK won’t have lost 0-3 to SRL reserves, but imagine the mayhem around just for losing 2, even 1 T20 against that SRL team at home under Arthur or any other coach.

 

[Captain caveman]

The hatred and disrespect on this forum for waqar younis is very sad!
Most of you probably never saw waqar bowl, but he was amazing and in my opinion at his peak , the greatest fast bowler of all time.

As a coach, waqar was much less successful, but he had very few quality players at his disposal. However, he made huge improvements in the fast bowling attack i.e. wahab, irfan an rahat ali in 2015 wc, shame waqar couldn't improve rahat's fielfing and catching!
Waqar was the first pakistani coach to put an emphasis on fittness qnd he expelled shezad and umar from the team, all things which when mickey arthur did, people on this forum were very pleased with..

 

[Captain caveman]

The hatred and disrespect on this forum for waqar younis is very sad!
Most of you probably never saw waqar bowl, but he was amazing and in my opinion at his peak , the greatest fast bowler of all time.

As a coach, waqar was much less successful, but he had very few quality players at his disposal. However, he made huge improvements in the fast bowling attack i.e. wahab, irfan an rahat ali in 2015 wc, shame waqar couldn't improve rahat's fielfing and catching!
Waqar was the first pakistani coach to put an emphasis on fittness qnd he expelled shezad and umar from the team, all things which when mickey arthur did, people on this forum were very pleased with..

So what has waqar got to do with selection of the team now?
Waqar is the bowling coach, misbah is the chief selector and coach!
So please stop grouping waqar with misbah, when you guys are upset with the players selected and the tactics used, as this is solely MISBAH'S doing and has got nothing to do with waqar!