Painful and torturous to watch cricket under Misbah-ul-Haq/Waqar Younis

[Mamoon]

I didn’t watch the match yesterday because I am not interested in this series, but was it painful and torturous to watch Pakistan score 230 in a T20I under Misbah?

This goes to show that Misbah is not the problem; the problem are the players who are not good enough to perform consistently and can only produce a fluke performance like this once in a blue moon.

Give world class players to Misbah and he will also produce world class results.

If Pakistan were to hire so some professional white coach and we would have scored 230 on his watch, our fans would be thumping their chests over his coaching.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

I didn’t watch the match yesterday because I am not interested in this series, but was it painful and torturous to watch Pakistan score 230 in a T20I under Misbah?

This goes to show that Misbah is not the problem; the problem are the players who are not good enough to perform consistently and can only produce a fluke performance like this once in a blue moon.

Give world class players to Misbah and he will also produce world class results.

If Pakistan were to hire so some professional white coach and we would have scored 230 on his watch, our fans would be thumping their chests over his coaching.

Yes you only watch when pakistan looses. How convenient.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

We need different coaches for different formats

 

[Kroll]

Those that are critical of Misbah concluded prior to the series that we could beat them or at least compete.

People understand that in T20, even mediocre sides lead by clowns can win against much higher rated sides on any given day.

 

[Adnan_Ilyas]

I'm sure everyone enjoyed the match yesterday????

 

[shamaan]

Would any other chief selector have given a chance to maqsood ?

 

[Slim]

I didn’t watch the match yesterday because I am not interested in this series, but was it painful and torturous to watch Pakistan score 230 in a T20I under Misbah?

This goes to show that Misbah is not the problem; the problem are the players who are not good enough to perform consistently and can only produce a fluke performance like this once in a blue moon.

Give world class players to Misbah and he will also produce world class results.

If Pakistan were to hire so some professional white coach and we would have scored 230 on his watch, our fans would be thumping their chests over his coaching.

You need to realize that our cricketing style in ODIs is very lethargic. The way we play T20Is is quite different and for that i will give credit to Mickey Sarfraz for setting the tone for Pakistan's t20I format and Misbah as well for sticking to the Rizwan-Babar combo. We have regularly been smashing big scores in T20Is, why cant we replicate similar style in ODIs?

 

[Mamoon]

You need to realize that our cricketing style in ODIs is very lethargic. The way we play T20Is is quite different and for that i will give credit to Mickey Sarfraz for setting the tone for Pakistan's t20I format and Misbah as well for sticking to the Rizwan-Babar combo. We have regularly been smashing big scores in T20Is, why cant we replicate similar style in ODIs?

Pakistan’s slide in T20Is started under Mickey and Sarfraz in 2019 when they lost consecutive series to England & South Africa.

Misbah inherited an out of sorts of team that lost to Sri Lanka C and Australia.

The recent improvement in batting is mainly due to Rizwan’s consistency at the top. In T20Is, it is not difficult to post big totals when your openers are batting for 10+ overs and the you have 5-6 players waiting in the dugout with around 10 overs to play.

Same Pakistan will struggle to post big totals if they regularly lose the openers inside the first 3-4 overs, which is exactly what will happen if Fakhar and Sharjeel open.

You have a better chance of converting 40-0 in 6 overs into 200+ than converting 40-2 in 4 overs, because the two new middle-order batsman will take an additional 2-3 overs to bat steadily and repair the damage.

The reason why it is not working in ODIs is because the middle-order has bat for 35+ overs and they do not have the quality and temperament for it.

As long as Pakistan is unable to find quality middle-order batsmen for ODIs, collapses will continue to happen.

 

[Major]

So misbah led pakistan to scoring the highest t20 score i fact we have crossed 190 under him quite alot

 

[TheSultan]

These last 5 matches are pretty much the pattern of a classic Misbah innings.

Play very poorly, scratch around, choke the scoring. Once you have humiliated yourself and your team, there is nothing to lose and no real pressure because everyone has written you off, hit a few bekaar sixes (in this case, play a couple of innings in a mildly attacking manner).

Then lo and behold you can twist a few stats, make some more excuses to live to fight another day

 

[bala977]

Not sure when PP-ers will stop blaming Misbah and Waqar for the team’s failure! Amongst fans, only Pak fans take the role of a coach really really seriously - no one else attached that much importance.

Even when Misbah was in the team, Umar Akmal’s failures where attributed to Misbah - why? The reasoning went like Misbah did tuk tuk, so more pressure was added on UA who then got out hitting a mindless slog - I mean, it is always someone else innit?

 

[Junaids]

Not sure when PP-ers will stop blaming Misbah and Waqar for the team’s failure! Amongst fans, only Pak fans take the role of a coach really really seriously - no one else attached that much importance.

Even when Misbah was in the team, Umar Akmal’s failures where attributed to Misbah - why? The reasoning went like Misbah did tuk tuk, so more pressure was added on UA who then got out hitting a mindless slog - I mean, it is always someone else innit?

It's completely Misbah and Waqar's fault! That's why!

They inherited the world's top T20i team and a team which missed the top 4 at the 50 over World Cup on Net Run Rate.

They chose to exclude key players and to dismantle the teams that they inherited - especially in the Test format.

Out of the window went the Mickey Arthur model of picking a team mainly of guys in their peak (21-30) years with barely any older or younger players.

Suddenly the team was an unsustainable hotchpotch of geriatrics and babies.

 

[Junaids]

Don't forget, neither Misbah nor Waqar is actually formally qualified for the positions they somehow hold.

Waqar lives in Sydney but he's unemployable in Australia because he appears to be incapable of passing his coaching badges.

Meanwhile, Misbah was employed even though he is not even qualified to coach a junior team on the basis that "experience as a national team captain is comparable to experience as a cricket coach".

On that basis, a rickshaw driver could be employed to fly widebody jets for PIA or Emirates.

You appoint a pair of unqualified clowns and then you're surprised when the results start to go south?

 

[MesonK]

Not sure when PP-ers will stop blaming Misbah and Waqar for the team’s failure! Amongst fans, only Pak fans take the role of a coach really really seriously - no one else attached that much importance.

Even when Misbah was in the team, Umar Akmal’s failures where attributed to Misbah - why? The reasoning went like Misbah did tuk tuk, so more pressure was added on UA who then got out hitting a mindless slog - I mean, it is always someone else innit?

your own team has lost many teams because of management. you want me to point out ?

 

[Faiz1978]

Moreover this shameless guy still want to continue , if he has any shame he himself should resign. Shameless guy . Same goes for Waqar too .

 

[Ahmed216]

I have almost zero expectations until these two names are associated with Pak cricket. They cannot identify talent and make poor team combinations.
They cannot claim to have developed any player during their time with the team.
They've got no idea of how modern cricket is being played.
Misbah's energies are all focussed on defense.
Some of the decisions they've made were horrible.
Defeat to Sri lanka C sits at the top when umar and shehzad were brought back.

 

[Ahmed216]

A pace attack of naseem musa shaheen against Australia in Australia??
When will Misbah's tenure end?

 

[Abdurmirr]

I'll give Mickey credit even though we did play some terrible cricket throughout his tenure - notably our 11 consecutive ODI losses, Asia Cup 2018, test series vs SL and NZ- he was able to keep our team mediocre with the odd good performance against the top 4. Under Misbah mediocre cannot even describe where we are at. Too many pathetic drubbings piled on top of each other to note.

Although I feel as though Misbah is only a small part to blame and it's more due to our players lacking any sort of game sense or awareness, a better coach may be able to keep us floating as a mid level team which can pull of the odd upset rather than the minnow team that we are now

 

[Mamoon]

It's completely Misbah and Waqar's fault! That's why!

They inherited the world's top T20i team and a team which missed the top 4 at the 50 over World Cup on Net Run Rate.

They chose to exclude key players and to dismantle the teams that they inherited - especially in the Test format.

Out of the window went the Mickey Arthur model of picking a team mainly of guys in their peak (21-30) years with barely any older or younger players.

Suddenly the team was an unsustainable hotchpotch of geriatrics and babies.

Pakistan lost back to back T20I series against South Africa and England under Mickey. The decline had already begun after a year of minnow-bashing and capitalization on underpowered, disinterested teams who were focused on the World Cup.

In ODIs, starting from January 2018, Mickey’s Pakistan lost 33 ODIs and won 7 ODIs against the top 7 ODI teams, including a record-breaking 12 match losing streak.

In the World Cup itself, Pakistan had the third worst NRR among all teams.

Overall, Misbah did not inherit a winning team with momentum. He inherited a bunch of talentless and mentally weak cricketers who were on a losing spree under Mickey and continued under Misbah in the same vein.

These bunch of losers that are representing Pakistan live, sleep and breath defeats. It makes no difference who the coach is - they are simply not good enough; they lack quality.

Pakistani fans will never make peace with the reality that our players are just not capable. As a result, they will keep looking for scapegoats.

During the end of Mickey’s tenure, he was the culprit. Now Misbah is the culprit, and 2 years down the line, the next coach will be the culprit.

Misbah may not be a great coach and I would agree that a great coach would probably help, but what would help Pakistan the most is to find great players.

Having quality players is a critical pre-requisite - you can hire the best coach in the world but he will not be able to produce results when you are giving him junk cricketers.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

So misbah led pakistan to scoring the highest t20 score i fact we have crossed 190 under him quite alot

Misbah also led us to a 99 all out defeat vs Zimbabwe.

Every T20 score since Misbah became the coach:

105 vs SL
147 vs SL
134 vs SL
150 vs Aus
106 vs Aus
142 vs Ban
137 vs Ban
195 vs Eng *
190 vs Eng *
157 vs Zim
137 vs Zim
130 vs Zim
153 vs NZ
163 vs NZ
177 vs NZ
169 vs SA
144 vs SA
169 vs SA
189 vs SA
140 vs SA
205 vs SA *
149 vs SA
149 vs Zim
99 vs Zim
165 vs Zim
233 vs Eng *
155 vs Eng

We’ve only crossed 190+ 4 times since Misbah came, I wouldn’t say that’s “a lot “.

 

[Savak]

Pakistan lost back to back T20I series against South Africa and England under Mickey. The decline had already begun after a year of minnow-bashing and capitalization on underpowered, disinterested teams who were focused on the World Cup.

In ODIs, starting from January 2018, Mickey’s Pakistan lost 33 ODIs and won 7 ODIs against the top 7 ODI teams, including a record-breaking 12 match losing streak.

In the World Cup itself, Pakistan had the third worst NRR among all teams.

Overall, Misbah did not inherit a winning team with momentum. He inherited a bunch of talentless and mentally weak cricketers who were on a losing spree under Mickey and continued under Misbah in the same vein.

These bunch of losers that are representing Pakistan live, sleep and breath defeats. It makes no difference who the coach is - they are simply not good enough; they lack quality.

Pakistani fans will never make peace with the reality that our players are just not capable. As a result, they will keep looking for scapegoats.

During the end of Mickey’s tenure, he was the culprit. Now Misbah is the culprit, and 2 years down the line, the next coach will be the culprit.

Misbah may not be a great coach and I would agree that a great coach would probably help, but what would help Pakistan the most is to find great players.

Having quality players is a critical pre-requisite - you can hire the best coach in the world but he will not be able to produce results when you are giving him junk cricketers.

A quality coach will not play the same 11 for 6 matches in a row while the team is losing. A quality coach will not be scared to experiment with changes in the playing eleven and trying to slot plenty of new players in the playing eleven against minnows. A quality coach will scout for the players he wants all across the country rather than sitting on his behind and being happy with the 9-5 status quo and getting the big fat guaranteed salary.

The scrutiny on Misbah and Waqar is perfectly justified given the teams dismal performance and the fact these individuals are being paid very highly and handsomely. They cannot hide behind this is what we have.

 

[Savak]

Not sure when PP-ers will stop blaming Misbah and Waqar for the team’s failure! Amongst fans, only Pak fans take the role of a coach really really seriously - no one else attached that much importance.

Even when Misbah was in the team, Umar Akmal’s failures where attributed to Misbah - why? The reasoning went like Misbah did tuk tuk, so more pressure was added on UA who then got out hitting a mindless slog - I mean, it is always someone else innit?

Nope. The criticism for these two people is justified given that everyone knows how defensive minded these two individuals are and it reflects on their selections, tactics. These two individuals are being paid very handsomely and the team has not been performing, therefore the scrutiny is justified. If they can't make a material difference, then they will have to take a hike.

 

[Asif321]

Lol what a waste investment they messed up the T20 squad and now leave it hanging before WC.

 

[iniqbal223]

finally..

Why the hell team was announced

 

[ahmedzee]

Lol what a waste investment they messed up the T20 squad and now leave it hanging before WC.

This should be the reason to ban these two loser coaches (Misbah and waqar) for good from
pakistan cricket. They destroyed the #1 t20 team and an improving ODI team. If it ain’t broken why fix it?
Misbah should be banned from Pakistan cricket. He is the reason behind our decline in cricket since September 2019