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Media analyst from across the world have reacted to US President Donald Trump’s new strategy for the war in Afghanistan. Here is an overview of foreign media outlets on the new Afghan policy announced by the US president Donald Trump.

According to Bloomberg, “Trump’s new strategy to turn around the 16-year conflict in Afghanistan will probably falter for a reason few of his voters would realize: China. Trump publicly tried to pressure Pakistan ….. But this aspect of the Afghan strategy is likely to founder because of China’s increasingly close economic ties with Pakistan, which reduces American leverage.”

With more than $50 billion in planned infrastructure projects and strong diplomatic support for its positions, American threats to withdraw billions in military aid are becoming less worrying for the powerful army, which dominates foreign policy.

“China is the shield now,” said Harsh Pant, an international relations professor at King’s College London. “The more aid America will cut, Pakistan will be expecting China to fill the vacuum.”

Pakistan has long denied it harbours terrorists. China’s support for its ally means Pakistan doesn’t need to alter course.

The Forbes magazine criticized Pakistan by citing the April 17 issue of Current History: “Nonetheless, America continued to scale up its support for Pakistan for many more years. More than fifteen years have passed since the United States launched operations in Afghanistan, ostensibly with the support of Pakistan,” notes Fair. “During this period, the Americans scaled up and then scaled down troop deployments and investments in Afghanistan’s economy, infrastructure, civil society, and armed forces, but never managed to deal with the simple fact that, throughout this war, they have depended on one country that was steadfastly opposed to US and NATO objectives: Pakistan.”

That’s good news for India that now has America on its side in its efforts to maintain influence in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and to contain China in its northern border.

Meanwhile, America’s major policy shift in the region couldn’t come at a worse time for Pakistan’s equity markets, which have already been suffering hefty losses from corruption scandals that brought down the Sharif government.

According to Washington Post, President Trump said: “Today, 20 US-designated foreign terrorist organizations are active in Afghanistan and Pakistan — the highest concentration in any region anywhere in the world.”

A presidential address to the nation is usually carefully vetted for factual accuracy. That’s not always the case for President Trump’s speeches, but extra care appeared to have been taken for his speech on the strategy on Afghanistan. Still, this number — 20 US-designated foreign terrorist organizations in Afghanistan and Pakistan — jumped out at us. It seemed rather high. Where did this number come from?

The Facts: The secretary of state designates foreign terrorist organizations (FTOs), and Trump’s phrasing suggested that he was referring to the list of FTOs maintained by the State Department. But when we asked the White House where this number came from, an official pointed to congressional testimony by Gen. Joseph L. Votel, the commander of US Central Command. But here’s the problem: The State Department only lists 13 FTOs as active in Afghanistan and Pakistan, with one (Hizbul Mujahideen) being added just last week.

Indeed, the White House sent us a list of 20 purported terrorist organizations that were designated, and only 12 were on the official State Department list.

As far we can tell, the only source for this statistic is Gen. John W. Nicholson, the US commander in Afghanistan. In interviews, news briefings and congressional testimony, he has repeatedly said that “of the 98 US designated terrorist groups globally, 20 are in the AF/PAK region.” His statements have then turned up in news reports, such as in the New York Times.

So where did Nicholson get his figure? His spokesman, Navy Capt. William K. Salvin, said that he added entities designated by the Treasury Department and State Department as providing financial support to terror groups under Executive Order (EO) 13224, issued by President George W. Bush after the Sept. 11 attacks.

But adding together FTOs and EO designations really mixes apples and oranges, as some of the EO designations are for providing support to terrorist groups instead of being a terrorist group itself. That’s the reason the State Department has the legal authority to designate foreign terrorist organizations, and why the FTO list is considered the gold standard.

The total number of FTOs designated by the State Department is 62, not 98. We asked for further clarification from the White House but did not get a reply. The White House really needs to do a better job of quality control for important speeches. Rather than rely on a statistic ginned up by a field commander, someone should have called the State Department and double-checked whether it was valid to use this figure.

According to The Wall Street Journal, Trump’s new strategy face a potential challenge because of the rising fortunes of Imran Khan, a popular politician, a fierce critic of the US policy, who maintains that Pakistan’s anti-terror alliance caused destruction in Pakistan and gave rise to violence. .

Former US ambassador, Zalmay Khalilzad, wrote in the New York Times, advising Trump to show an unflagging commitment to the cause and be prepared to respond to moves by adversaries to disrupt his plan. He said the president must be ready for Pakistan to resist and test his resolve. This might come in the form of attacks on American assets in Afghanistan or of interference with supply routes across the Afghanistan-Pakistan border. Pakistan’s security apparatus will try to prove that the United States cannot succeed without cooperating on Islamabad’s terms.

A major change from the Obama era is Trump’s decision to give American commanders in the field the flexibility they’ve long sought in assisting the Afghan forces fighting the Taliban and other insurgents. The president also adopted a realistic position regarding peace talks, moving away from President Barack Obama’s pursuit of reconciliation regardless of the deteriorating military situation.

In another write-up, The News York Times says Pakistani officials have cited Indian influence as a primary cause of instability and insecurity in Afghanistan. Officials in Islamabad accuse India of supporting a hostile political regime in Kabul and funding militants, who use Afghanistan as a base to launch attacks inside Pakistan.

Pakistani officials said they expected private contractors to take a more dominant role than troops already in Afghanistan. Senior Pakistani security officials stress that an all-inclusive engagement is the only option for peace inside Afghanistan. More troops inside the country, along with blaming Pakistan for harboring terrorists, will not work, they said in background interviews.

Sehar Kamran, an opposition senator who leads an Islamabad-based think tank, said Mr. Trump’s plan appeared to be “more of the same, under much more colorful language and contradictory bluster.”

Ms. Kamran said that pushing India to play a stronger role inside Afghanistan would isolate Washington’s friends in Islamabad “without realizing, understanding or perhaps deliberately underestimating the impact of increasing Indian presence on Pakistan’s western border.”

“An unnecessary flexing of military muscles and the deployment of additional troops at this time will only undo much that has been achieved over many years diplomatically, and serve to further antagonize regional countries like Pakistan, China and Russia,” she said.

“Pakistan is prepared to absorb the impact of a more assertive US policy toward the country,” said Arif Rafiq, a nonresident fellow at the Middle East Institute in Washington. “It’s the most economically stable that it’s been in a decade, thanks in part to massive Chinese investment, and it has managed to secure much of its border regions despite the withdrawal of most US combat forces.”

He said that Pakistan also knows that it has several options to counter punitive actions by Washington, including closing supply routes to Afghanistan.

James Stavridis, former US admiral and supreme commander of Nato allied forces, wrote in Foreign Policy Magazine: The options are bad in Afghanistan. We could cut our losses (2,400 Americans dead, $1 trillion spent) and depart — but that would eventually lead to another Vietnam moment, with helicopters lifting off the roof of the US Embassy. Another approach would be to return to a robust NATO-led operation with 150,000 troops doing the actual fighting, which was the size of the force when I ran the Afghan war as supreme allied commander in 2009-2013. But there is no appetite for that level of commitment on either side of the Atlantic, and, frankly, the entire world wrestles with profound Afghan fatigue.”

He said: The new strategy is hardly new, and sometimes the best Plan B is to work harder and smarter at Plan A. Kudos to the president’s generals for landing him on a glide path that makes strategic and tactical sense, albeit an option that is merely the least worst next move in the long-running great game of Afghanistan.

According to CNN, Trump has always insisted he’s all about winning. But on Monday night, as he laid out his new strategy for Afghanistan, America got to see how its new President confronted what many experts believe is a no-win situation: a war that has dragged on with no end in sight for 16 years. Trump declares US will ‘win’ in Afghanistan, but gives few details. Trump laced his prime-time speech with volleys of bold language that might be expected from a new commander-in-chief taking over a failing war. His plans hardly seem sufficiently sweeping to unlock the victory that eluded Presidents George W. Bush and Obama in a nation that is treacherous for foreign invaders.

They are also unlikely to significantly change calculations among Taliban leaders and in Pakistan’s military.

Chicago Tribune said: The speech was a model of bold phrases and grand promises unsupported by any specifics that would indicate the president has any idea how to make his vision into reality. It doesn’t tell us much when Trump makes declarations such as, “We will push onward to victory. He thinks loosening the restrictions on how our forces fight will make a big difference. But those restrictions are designed to minimize civilian casualties — partly because killing innocents unnecessarily is morally wrong and partly because it antagonizes Afghans, thus increasing the number of people willing to fight against us.

Trump also claims he will force Pakistan to stop providing a safe haven for the Taliban, extract more economic aid from India and persuade our NATO allies to up their involvement in the war. This is not a plan; it’s a letter to Santa Claus.

Pakistan has vital interests at stake that take precedence over ours — not to mention leverage that has made it largely impervious to the demands of American presidents. The United States, reports Reuters, “has no choice but to use Pakistani roads to resupply its troops in landlocked Afghanistan. US officials worry that if Pakistan becomes an active foe, it could further destabilize Afghanistan and endanger US soldiers.”

India is not about to let Washington dictate its policy toward a neighbour — and more Indian involvement would worsen our relations with Pakistan. Trump has done nothing to make our allies in Europe want to knock themselves out on our behalf.

Trump indulged in such fierce, uncompromising rhetoric for an obvious reason: to distract Americans from how puny his plan is and how meager his goals. He promises victory, but all he can realistically hope to do is stave off defeat — at the cost of more American lives and $25 billion a year.

According to Los Angeles Times, citing analysts isolating Pakistan could unsettle the US relationship with Islamabad and push it closer to Russia, China and Iran, further complicating efforts to stabilize the region.

“The idea of US leverage in Pakistan is deeply exaggerated,” Michael Kugelman, deputy director of the US-based Wilson Center’s Asia Program, said in an email to The Associated Press a day after Trump’s speech. “No matter the punishment, policy, or inducement, there’s little reason to believe that Pakistan will change its ways.”

According to an analysis in The Guardian, “instead of maintaining a policy of careful diplomacy, the US president’s attack on the country has gifted China greater influence in an unstable region. … This is a serious strategic mistake.”

The Economist said: “It will still remain difficult for America to reach a point where it can claim success in Afghanistan. Mr Trump’s insistence that he is not in the business of nation-building is all very well. But without progress by the dysfunctional Afghan government towards delivering security and basic services, the Taliban will retain support in the Pushtun south and east of the country. Nor is there much prospect of enlisting the help of Afghanistan’s neighbours.”

A report in The Diplomat said: China seems to be the only nation that dare to defend Pakistan against the United States. What’s interesting is that Pakistan’s attitude shifted to high-profile after Pakistan gained China’s “strong support” after Trump’s speech. Later on August 22, Pakistan’s foreign ministry published another emotional and lengthy statement to fire back at the US.

Source: http://southasianmonitor.com/2017/08/26/pak-military-wont-intimidated-us-world-media/
 
Pak would crush the American's in Afghanistan. There 10,000 or so soldiers next door would be easy pickings for our military backed by the Afghan Taliban. Trump is to stupid to realise what he is doing being a Zionist stooge he can't think straight. He wants India to get involved in the quagmire that is Afghanistan:maqsood Trump has been unable to convince anyone of Pak being responsible of the mess they have made in Afghanistan
 
Pak would crush the American's in Afghanistan. There 10,000 or so soldiers next door would be easy pickings for our military backed by the Afghan Taliban. Trump is to stupid to realise what he is doing being a Zionist stooge he can't think straight. He wants India to get involved in the quagmire that is Afghanistan:maqsood Trump has been unable to convince anyone of Pak being responsible of the mess they have made in Afghanistan

If Pak Army officially fires one bullet at Americans that will bring Pakistan to war againist US/NATO and other US allies.Not even china or Russia can fight such a war let alone Pakistan.
 
Pak would crush the American's in Afghanistan. There 10,000 or so soldiers next door would be easy pickings for our military backed by the Afghan Taliban. Trump is to stupid to realise what he is doing being a Zionist stooge he can't think straight. He wants India to get involved in the quagmire that is Afghanistan:maqsood Trump has been unable to convince anyone of Pak being responsible of the mess they have made in Afghanistan

If Pak Army officially fires one bullet at Americans that will bring Pakistan to war againist US/NATO and other US allies.Not even china or Russia can fight such a war let alone Pakistan.

This is the 21st century. America does not have the power to occupy countries with its land army and dictate its will. It however does have the power to bomb as much as it wishes using its stealth bombers which are invincible to counter measures.

An open war between Pakistan and the US (which is very very unlikely to happen) will result in the Pakistani Army getting bombed back to the Stone Age.
 
This is the 21st century. America does not have the power to occupy countries with its land army and dictate its will. It however does have the power to bomb as much as it wishes using its stealth bombers which are invincible to counter measures.

An open war between Pakistan and the US (which is very very unlikely to happen) will result in the Pakistani Army getting bombed back to the Stone Age.

It won't

Pakistan isn't Iraq or Afghanistan

Also Pakistan possesses nuclear weapons in proper usable condition unlike the mom and pop joints run by North Korea

When backed to a corner Pakistan always has the option to go into desperation mode and do something stupid so the US will never declare open war against Pakistan

At most it will do what it has done. Drone attacks with covert approval of Pakistan military
 
It won't

Pakistan isn't Iraq or Afghanistan

Also Pakistan possesses nuclear weapons in proper usable condition unlike the mom and pop joints run by North Korea

When backed to a corner Pakistan always has the option to go into desperation mode and do something stupid so the US will never declare open war against Pakistan

At most it will do what it has done. Drone attacks with covert approval of Pakistan military

I said that an open war was very very unlikely. But if it does come to that, Pakistan would know that use of nukes would definitely lead to a massive nuke retaliation ending the country. So what exactly will happen is unknown, it depends upon how crazy the actors are.

However, one should not underestimate the seriousness of the situation. This war has been going on for 16 years now, and there is a lot of frustration on all sides.
 
Man, if you give Pakistan a time turner they would use it to make sure they have nothing to do with the USA.

Too much baggage and emotional drama - it's like having a high maintenance girlfriend. Five of them.
 
It won't

Pakistan isn't Iraq or Afghanistan

Also Pakistan possesses nuclear weapons in proper usable condition unlike the mom and pop joints run by North Korea

When backed to a corner Pakistan always has the option to go into desperation mode and do something stupid so the US will never declare open war against Pakistan

At most it will do what it has done. Drone attacks with covert approval of Pakistan military

No Pakistani missile can reach US or NATO countries.And even a hint of any stupidity from Pakistan will mean premptive strikes from US.

And US doesnt need a open war.Iran like sanctions will be enough.
 
No Pakistani missile can reach US or NATO countries.And even a hint of any stupidity from Pakistan will mean premptive strikes from US.

And US doesnt need a open war.Iran like sanctions will be enough.

While it is true that Pakistan does not have delivery systems for nukes that can reach the US or Europe, any war would require a large number of US and European troops in the area (including the US fleets in the Gulf). So Pakistan could indeed cause a hundred thousand or more US and European casualties.

However, the Pakistani generals have luxurious lives. I do not see them ready to kiss it all goodbye.
 
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If Pak Army officially fires one bullet at Americans that will bring Pakistan to war againist US/NATO and other US allies.Not even china or Russia can fight such a war let alone Pakistan.

Yeah.they tried that against syria.didnt they?they cannot even defeat a rag tag bunch of taliban mafiosis that has by now cost them around a trillion.they may put on economic sanctions here and there or maybe fund separatist fighters but that is about it.
 
Yeah.they tried that against syria.didnt they?they cannot even defeat a rag tag bunch of taliban mafiosis that has by now cost them around a trillion.they may put on economic sanctions here and there or maybe fund separatist fighters but that is about it.

And that alone will bring Pakistan to its knees, while the average American continues living his good life.

Don't do it.
 
Yeah.they tried that against syria.didnt they?they cannot even defeat a rag tag bunch of taliban mafiosis that has by now cost them around a trillion.they may put on economic sanctions here and there or maybe fund separatist fighters but that is about it.



Easy to defeat a properly trained army rather than a bunch of bozos wielding guns and hiding among common people. If US goes for a full scale war without caring for who is who, there won't be anyone left in Syria, AfghAnistan etc. This is how big armies of emperors used to do centuries ago.
 
US had always been on Pakistan side and Russia on Indian. But games may change. But Pakistan got bigger cards to play. Moreover, with time, it will be Pakistan win anyway. Pakistan just need to hold on defence.
 
While it is true that Pakistan does not have delivery systems for nukes that can reach the US or Europe, any war would require a large number of US and European troops in the area (including the US fleets in the Gulf). So Pakistan could indeed cause a hundred thousand or more US and European casualties.

However, the Pakistani generals have luxurious lives. I do not see them ready to kiss it all goodbye.

It requires a very different techology to hit a moving target like a warship.No pakistani ballastic missile has that technology.China only recently tested such technology.
 
Yeah.they tried that against syria.didnt they?they cannot even defeat a rag tag bunch of taliban mafiosis that has by now cost them around a trillion.they may put on economic sanctions here and there or maybe fund separatist fighters but that is about it.
Is Pakistan on the level of Afghanistan?Its one thing fighting a guerilla warfare and its another bombing cities and army bases.They can start off the military campaign by bombing the safe havens of the terrorists in Pakistan irrespective of location.But before all this they will likely put crippling sanctions on Pakistan.Something they did to Iran and Iran even with its Oil and with Russia China India continuing to buy oil and support it had to give up.

Pakistan will have a choice.Stop support to these terrorist or face these sanctions.Choice will be easy as these terrorists are expendable,one of the reasons they are used.
 
American wars in recent decades:

Vietnam : lost
Afghanistan: lost
Iraq: lost



But as per Indians they will beat Pakistan :))
 
Is Pakistan on the level of Afghanistan?Its one thing fighting a guerilla warfare and its another bombing cities and army bases.They can start off the military campaign by bombing the safe havens of the terrorists in Pakistan irrespective of location.But before all this they will likely put crippling sanctions on Pakistan.Something they did to Iran and Iran even with its Oil and with Russia China India continuing to buy oil and support it had to give up.

Pakistan will have a choice.Stop support to these terrorist or face these sanctions.Choice will be easy as these terrorists are expendable,one of the reasons they are used.

That won't be the choice though, since America doesn't share the Indian claim that Pakistan supports terrorists. We have been having similar statements to Trump's coming from the White House since before 9/11. Yet America continues the partnership with Pakistan because it still views them as an ally. What Indians say or wish has no impact whatsoever on the US ties with Pakistan. That is why India got the slap on the face in that same speech for not doing more financially to support the US position in Afghanistan.
 
That won't be the choice though, since America doesn't share the Indian claim that Pakistan supports terrorists. We have been having similar statements to Trump's coming from the White House since before 9/11. Yet America continues the partnership with Pakistan because it still views them as an ally. What Indians say or wish has no impact whatsoever on the US ties with Pakistan. That is why India got the slap on the face in that same speech for not doing more financially to support the US position in Afghanistan.

India doesnt receive American aid nor does India beg for any american aid so we are not answerable to Americans.Trump asked India to play a bigger role in Afghanistan,its upto India to decide what we do.

Trump just accused Pakistan of harbouring terrorists.Go read again.
 
India doesnt receive American aid nor does India beg for any american aid so we are not answerable to Americans.Trump asked India to play a bigger role in Afghanistan,its upto India to decide what we do.

Trump just accused Pakistan of harbouring terrorists.Go read again.

As I said, the same noises have been coming out of the White House for decades now, but the US is still too cosy with Pakistan despite mumbling a few words here and there. Go read my post again. And keep dreaming that America will act against Pakistan while their politicians say one thing and their policy follows something different.
 
There is no reason for America to invade Pakistan. We dont have any natural resources that America wants and we dont threaten the national security of the US or any of it's NATO allies.

We're not an autocracy under a strongman so there's no reason for the US to come and depose of a Gaddafi style figure and gift us it's democracy.

Pakistan is quite subservient inspite of our tough talk and allows US to commit drone attacks with our permission; and sometimes even perform tactical missions like the Bin Laden attack without seeking our permission.
 
Won't be intimidated because they know they won't have to face the consequences for their action. If ever there are any consequences, ordinary Pakistanis will bear the brunt while the military will continue with business as usual, maintaining their privileged position and cushy life style . Hypothetically, if Pakistan gets sanctioned, it's not the military that suffers, it's the common man but since the common man supports them, he gets what he deserves.
 
American wars in recent decades:

Vietnam : lost
Afghanistan: lost
Iraq: lost



But as per Indians they will beat Pakistan :))
It's a propaganda that usa lost the war...
We should use the age old criteria about the win/loss and should disregard the new defination of "battle to win the hearts and minds"...

Look at Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, what have NATO turned these places to...
Millions of people killed, leaders over thrown killed, capitals conquered..is this not a victory?

If not, then what would you consider a victory?
 
It's a propaganda that usa lost the war...
We should use the age old criteria about the win/loss and should disregard the new defination of "battle to win the hearts and minds"...

Look at Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, what have NATO turned these places to...
Millions of people killed, leaders over thrown killed, capitals conquered..is this not a victory?

If not, then what would you consider a victory?

Vietnam is one of the fastest growing economies in the world. :salute

Afghanistan was a garbage dump even before US arrived. Iraq was somewhat functioning before the US but it has been the worst off of the three.
 
It's a propaganda that usa lost the war...
We should use the age old criteria about the win/loss and should disregard the new defination of "battle to win the hearts and minds"...

Look at Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, what have NATO turned these places to...
Millions of people killed, leaders over thrown killed, capitals conquered..is this not a victory?

If not, then what would you consider a victory?

A lot of people would only consider the complete elimination of Taliban and it's resistance as an evidence of victory. That could be correct too.

I would consider USA as victorious because they inflicted damage on the Nations who could never inflict the same damage and destruction on the USA.
 
A lot of people would only consider the complete elimination of Taliban and it's resistance as an evidence of victory. That could be correct too.

I would consider USA as victorious because they inflicted damage on the Nations who could never inflict the same damage and destruction on the USA.

People should understand thsee wars are not for territory.
USA can achieve 95%+ elimination if they use the falluja tactics in helmund but then "lot of people" would consider changing the defination.

It's true that usa has spent trillion of dollars in these wars, but being super power, usa need to keep its war machine warmed up and well oiled and they use these wars as practice...it may seem cruel, but every super power did the same in past ...
 
As I said, the same noises have been coming out of the White House for decades now, but the US is still too cosy with Pakistan despite mumbling a few words here and there. Go read my post again. And keep dreaming that America will act against Pakistan while their politicians say one thing and their policy follows something different.

Whether America will act or not America will decide.Why should India bother?
 
It's a propaganda that usa lost the war...
We should use the age old criteria about the win/loss and should disregard the new defination of "battle to win the hearts and minds"...

Look at Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, what have NATO turned these places to...
Millions of people killed, leaders over thrown killed, capitals conquered..is this not a victory?

If not, then what would you consider a victory?

They probably thought victory will mean these countries being American territories.

Well Iraq and Afghanistan have American puppet govts.That is enough victorym
 
People should understand thsee wars are not for territory.
USA can achieve 95%+ elimination if they use the falluja tactics in helmund but then "lot of people" would consider changing the defination.

It's true that usa has spent trillion of dollars in these wars, but being super power, usa need to keep its war machine warmed up and well oiled and they use these wars as practice...it may seem cruel, but every super power did the same in past ...

Yes.You need to keep the war machine going.
 
If Pak Army officially fires one bullet at Americans that will bring Pakistan to war againist US/NATO and other US allies.Not even china or Russia can fight such a war let alone Pakistan.

Who made you the judge!? Rather if the USA even attempts to invade Pak it will receive and awesome and befitting reply in Afghanistan. If US has allies then so does Pak. The USA can't even defeat a ragtag Afghan army and dream of taking on Pak, China and Russia?? Get real!! China and Russia can fight the USA, even Iran can. They are not super human like you seem to think.
 
Chances of US-PAK war are extremely low.Pakistan's strategic location and CPEC projects have increased Chinese stakes in our survival and stability.Any misadventure by USA will force Chinese to take action.This is what happened in the KOREAN war in 1950s.USA,despite being warned by China,entered North Korea which led to direct confrontation between US and Chinese troops.
 
Who made you the judge!? Rather if the USA even attempts to invade Pak it will receive and awesome and befitting reply in Afghanistan. If US has allies then so does Pak. The USA can't even defeat a ragtag Afghan army and dream of taking on Pak, China and Russia?? Get real!! China and Russia can fight the USA, even Iran can. They are not super human like you seem to think.

Russia?Lol.Really?Russia isnt fighting for you just like US didnt fight for ukraine.This dream that Russia is a Pakistani ally is laughable.They dont even sell you high grade lethal weapons.

Pakistan will be fighting NATO thats the equation.China will likely supply weapons.

You want Pakistan to become Afghanistan?

Before any war they will first financially cripple Pakistan with sanctionsn
 
From the OP

Trump also claims he will force Pakistan to stop providing a safe haven for the Taliban, extract more economic aid from India and persuade our NATO allies to up their involvement in the war. This is not a plan; it’s a letter to Santa Claus.
:))) :))) :)))
 
This is the 21st century. America does not have the power to occupy countries with its land army and dictate its will. It however does have the power to bomb as much as it wishes using its stealth bombers which are invincible to counter measures.

An open war between Pakistan and the US (which is very very unlikely to happen) will result in the Pakistani Army getting bombed back to the Stone Age.

It won't

Pakistan isn't Iraq or Afghanistan

Also Pakistan possesses nuclear weapons in proper usable condition unlike the mom and pop joints run by North Korea

When backed to a corner Pakistan always has the option to go into desperation mode and do something stupid so the US will never declare open war against Pakistan

At most it will do what it has done. Drone attacks with covert approval of Pakistan military
If Pakistan starts being 'bombed to the Stone Age' and 'goes into desperation mode', then in such a scenario it will play it's Joker and drag everyone else into it, such as firing nukes on India.

If Pakistan thinks it's going to get annihilated anyway then it's got nothing to lose. From then on, ithe conflict will take on a momentum of it's own and no one knows who else will also get dragged in ... Afghanistan definitely, but also China? Russia? Iran? (even if only cause of Afghanistan, plus the overlapping region of Balochistan), and if Iran, then Saudi Arabia ...

No matter who starts it, no one knows what will happen from then on and how far it will/will not spread and suck others into it. That is the nature of war. Just look at WW1 and WW2
 
who said Russia is pakistan's ally ? and no one is going for a war and US knows that very well. Indians ppers wishes will remain wishes only.
instead of lecturing pakistani posters, Indian posters should worry about thier role in afghanistan, its gonna be mutton or beef roll but not role, i dont know, but it will be interesting to see.

becoz Trump just thrw the indians infront of Afghani Taliban on international media, now India got the lime light of every single group in afghanistan like talibans/ISIS/Haqqani network etc etc.

Indians dont even know what US did to them, they are happy becoz Trump bash pakistan and praise India, but India will realize very soon that India got played by US/Trump.

He just put the Target on the head of every Indian civilians/doctors/RAW etc etc in Afghanistan. No indians gonna be safe after this.

and what kind of sanctions US gonna put on pakistan ? they already ha stopped aid from last one year, only Military aid is not stopped yet, and if they want to stop the military aid thn pakistan wont mind it.

US have no leverage on pakistan. they know it very well that if we just stop the NATO supply thn US will need to prepare the body bags for thier 10000+ troops in afghanistan.

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/toi-edit-page/trump-on-afghanistan-his-invitation-to-india-does-come-with-an-unpleasant-twist-in-the-tail/
 
If Pakistan starts being 'bombed to the Stone Age' and 'goes into desperation mode', then in such a scenario it will play it's Joker and drag everyone else into it, such as firing nukes on India.

If Pakistan thinks it's going to get annihilated anyway then it's got nothing to lose. From then on, ithe conflict will take on a momentum of it's own and no one knows who else will also get dragged in ... Afghanistan definitely, but also China? Russia? Iran? (even if only cause of Afghanistan, plus the overlapping region of Balochistan), and if Iran, then Saudi Arabia ...

No matter who starts it, no one knows what will happen from then on and how far it will/will not spread and suck others into it. That is the nature of war. Just look at WW1 and WW2

Yes, no one can predict the behaviour of the combatants once a war begins. But even if the US was to bomb Pakistan, they would do it to send a message, not to occupy and install a friendly government as that is impossible.

Actually the US is already bombing Pakistan with its drones, however it is not targeting the Pakistani military.

Though Trump may want to, it is still very unlikely that the US will directly confront the Pakistani military. There are many entrenched powerful lobbies in the US military and foreign services that look upon the Pakistani military favorably.

The US does need Pakistan as a supply route for Afghanistan now that the US Congress has passed a sanctions bill that makes cooperation with Russia and the northern supply route almost impossible.
 
Calm down, usa is not attacking pakistan...last time we blocked their stuff for months and Hillary had to apologize to de escalate the situation.

Pakistani govt just postponed a crucial visit of special envoy of usa.

USA-PAK relationship will have ups and downs, but both countries rely on each other.
With China now assisting pakistan in billions, who care about few millions by usa...
 
Pak a nuclear bomb FGS of course they can'tn't,whom have American bullied in recent times anyway except BRITISH into their wars.

They couldn't even same Crimea!
 
This is disturbing news. Half of my bravado while facing pakistanis was that the US is there to watch our backs. Hope this is fake news.
 
American wars in recent decades:

Vietnam : lost
Afghanistan: lost
Iraq: lost



But as per Indians they will beat Pakistan :))

Who won these wars? Both Afghanistan and Iraq are destroyed as countries, doubt the people there would consider it as a victory.. War has no winners only losers.. If America and Pakistan go to war Pakistan would be destroyed and America will suffer monetary losses and some troop causality but no civilian casualty.. Pakistan on the other hand will suffer fate like Afghanistan, Americans can't colonise Pakistan everyone knows that..

Anyways this is hypothetical war between America and Pakistan will never happen the thread is pointless TBH..
 
If Pakistan starts being 'bombed to the Stone Age' and 'goes into desperation mode', then in such a scenario it will play it's Joker and drag everyone else into it, such as firing nukes on India.

If Pakistan thinks it's going to get annihilated anyway then it's got nothing to lose. From then on, ithe conflict will take on a momentum of it's own and no one knows who else will also get dragged in ... Afghanistan definitely, but also China? Russia? Iran? (even if only cause of Afghanistan, plus the overlapping region of Balochistan), and if Iran, then Saudi Arabia ...

No matter who starts it, no one knows what will happen from then on and how far it will/will not spread and suck others into it. That is the nature of war. Just look at WW1 and WW2

So everyone will get into war,use nukes,Pakistan will let itself be destroyed.

But no one will see Pakistan stop supporting and harbouring few thousand terrorists who are actually expendable.

Right?
 
Pak a nuclear bomb FGS of course they can'tn't,whom have American bullied in recent times anyway except BRITISH into their wars.

They couldn't even same Crimea!

Pakistani bombs cant reach any NATO country.

Pakistan is not Russia.

Way before a war starts,US will put sanctions.
 
So everyone will get into war,use nukes,Pakistan will let itself be destroyed.

But no one will see Pakistan stop supporting and harbouring few thousand terrorists who are actually expendable.

Right?
Obviously these global considerations and how wars are often started by some minor incidence getting out of control and taking on a life of it's own are all above your comprehension going by the fact that you didn't even understand the gist of the post. :facepalm:. But then again, that's the norm for you.

WW1 is a perfect example as regards these global considerations, being kick started as a result of the assassination of a minor royal by one individual, and eventually dragging in most European countries, including citizens of their colonies.E.g. At least 75,000 Indian soldiers died in the European trenches, and god knows how many hundreds of thousands wounded and maimed.
 
Russia?Lol.Really?Russia isnt fighting for you just like US didnt fight for ukraine.This dream that Russia is a Pakistani ally is laughable.They dont even sell you high grade lethal weapons.

Pakistan will be fighting NATO thats the equation.China will likely supply weapons.

You want Pakistan to become Afghanistan?

Before any war they will first financially cripple Pakistan with sanctionsn

I said things have changed since the cold war. If Russia ain't our buddy then is not our enemy either but China certainly is. Much to your anger Russia is selling military hardware to us and why should they not! India does not tell Russia what it should or should not do, understood? Pak will be more then fine with it's allies if it comes to fighting the USA. Pak will become an incredibly wealthy country by bringing back all the stolen wealth, we will be like a super power!! There is no comparison between Pak and Afghanistan, USA has tried it's best to seize our nukes but failed. You worry about your internal problems not us. The American's should worry about the massive flooding's in their own country. https://www.dawn.com/news/1201473 Don't expect the western or Indian media to report the truth.
 
I said things have changed since the cold war. If Russia ain't our buddy then is not our enemy either but China certainly is. Much to your anger Russia is selling military hardware to us and why should they not! India does not tell Russia what it should or should not do, understood? Pak will be more then fine with it's allies if it comes to fighting the USA. Pak will become an incredibly wealthy country by bringing back all the stolen wealth, we will be like a super power!! There is no comparison between Pak and Afghanistan, USA has tried it's best to seize our nukes but failed. You worry about your internal problems not us. The American's should worry about the massive flooding's in their own country. https://www.dawn.com/news/1201473 Don't expect the western or Indian media to report the truth.

Russia doesnt sell lethal militart hardware to Pakistan and will not have tight military relations with Pakistan.I didnot say it Vladimir Putin did.He decides what Russia does.Understood?A little googling will help you.


Your allies?Like?Good luck taking on NATO.

US has enough resources to take care of itself.Lol at trying to take shots at US.I can only laugh at your suggestions.
 
A full thread dedicated to a straw man argument? At what point did the US threaten war against Pak? I know Trump is a bit of a loose cannon, but even he didn't say it!

Folks need to calm down and stop imagining things!
 
Russia doesnt sell lethal militart hardware to Pakistan and will not have tight military relations with Pakistan.I didnot say it Vladimir Putin did.He decides what Russia does.Understood?A little googling will help you.


Your allies?Like?Good luck taking on NATO.

US has enough resources to take care of itself.Lol at trying to take shots at US.I can only laugh at your suggestions.

I realise that as an Indian you want a Pak-USA confrontation that sadly for you has not happened. So that they both destroy each other whilst you watch on, Pak military and patriots fully realise that. We can buy whatever we want from China and plenty from other countries like Russia as well. The Russians are not your unconditional friends anymore neither will you know what Raheel Sharif is up to in the Middle East but you will find out in due course. The USA has plenty on it's plate with historical floodings and South Korea messing with it. Much to your sadness the Americans will never even mess with Iran never mind us. As you can see Trump's rhetoric has greatly died down now so Pak will not be taking on anything at all whilst they need us in Afghanistan. You know what Russia and China have said as well|?. I said Pak can and will defend itself against any aggression including American one. Our soldiers don't fight kid's with stone in their hands or school girls!!:shhh
 
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If Pakistan starts being 'bombed to the Stone Age' and 'goes into desperation mode', then in such a scenario it will play it's Joker and drag everyone else into it, such as firing nukes on India.

If Pakistan thinks it's going to get annihilated anyway then it's got nothing to lose. From then on, ithe conflict will take on a momentum of it's own and no one knows who else will also get dragged in ... Afghanistan definitely, but also China? Russia? Iran? (even if only cause of Afghanistan, plus the overlapping region of Balochistan), and if Iran, then Saudi Arabia ...

No matter who starts it, no one knows what will happen from then on and how far it will/will not spread and suck others into it. That is the nature of war. Just look at WW1 and WW2

If USA indeed ever decides to "bomb pak back to stone age", do you really think they would be so careless to allow pakistan to launch nuclear missiles or start another world war? How naive. If the US indeed thinks about bombing pak they will take care of the nuclear sites first, the wars are not as simple as you are trying to portray, no pakistan won't do anything if US ever gets serious about destroying pakistan.
 
If USA indeed ever decides to "bomb pak back to stone age", do you really think they would be so careless to allow pakistan to launch nuclear missiles or start another world war? How naive. If the US indeed thinks about bombing pak they will take care of the nuclear sites first, the wars are not as simple as you are trying to portray, no pakistan won't do anything if US ever gets serious about destroying pakistan.
If USA does decide to 'bomb pak back into stone age' then unless the USA uses nuclear missiles in order to achieve that, Pakistan will have enough time to gets it's own nukes off the ground and heading towards India. Do you think Pakitan's nukes are located out in the open, with a great big "+" painted sign around them saying "bomb me here"?

Besides, do you actually understand English? If so, what do you think the phrases "If Pakistan starts being 'bombed to the Stone Age' and 'goes into desperation mode'," and "If Pakistan thinks it's going to get annihilated anyway then it's got nothing to lose"?

As for your comment "wars are not simple as you are trying to portray ..", you again don't appear to understand English, otherwise you will have understood "From then on, the conflict will take on a momentum of it's own and no one knows who else will also get dragged in" and "No matter who starts it, no one knows what will happen from then on and how far it will/will not spread and suck others into it. That is the nature of war. Just look at WW1 and WW2".

I suggest you digest the gist of other's posts before hitting the keyboard.
 
If USA indeed ever decides to "bomb pak back to stone age", do you really think they would be so careless to allow pakistan to launch nuclear missiles or start another world war? How naive. If the US indeed thinks about bombing pak they will take care of the nuclear sites first, the wars are not as simple as you are trying to portray, no pakistan won't do anything if US ever gets serious about destroying pakistan.
"no pakistan won't do anything if US ever gets serious about destroying pakistan" :facepalm:

I suggest you actually read what you have written there.
 
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