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Pakistan’s missed opportunity in narrow 2007 Test series loss against South Africa

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Summer of 2007 in South Africa and they were reduced to 39/4 while chasing 161 to win decider 3rd Test in Cape Town.

Pakistan at that stage was on brink of history creating moment. 39/4 could have been 70/6 or even 7. But our bowlers Asif Kaneria Nazir were completely ineffective afterwards. Couple of dropped catches allowed Kallis and Prince to chase down remaining target and instead of becoming 1-2 on a sad note it became 2-1.

Such are the fine margins which can alter the course of Test Cricket History.

I feel not having Shoaib Akhtar in 3rd Test was biggest factor of our loss. Asif was very disappointing as well.
 
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I think I have personally at least witnessed dozens of missed opportunities since I started following cricket. Whats gone is gone, past only gives you pain or fake pleasure because present matters more than past.

The SA players are as fragile as Pakistan as they themselves have a history of bottling it.
 
Akhtar's groin/hamstring injury didn't help
 
I remember a few crucial dropped catches in that innings that allowed SA to escape, we similarly messed up the 2006 series there after going up 1-0 in Johannesburg. Asian teams (except Bangladesh) have always given a good account of themselves in SA as compared to Australia.
 
Even in 3 rd test, we posted 400+inb1st innings and got 40 runs lead, bottled in 2nd innings, had the target been 260 instead of 212, Proteas would have choked.
 
I remember this well, Asif bowled well from what I remember, he was a one man bowling machine as akhtar got injured in 2nd game and Asif bowled plenty of overs back to back to back in 2nd innings.
That last innings of the series hurt
 
No subcontinent team has won a Test series in Australia and South Africa. Such a shame for all of us really.

If I can only say that this time. This record will be broken. India beating Australia and Pakistan beating South Africa. I can see India winning 3-2. But not Pakistan to win even a single game
 
Summer of 2007 in South Africa and they were reduced to 39/4 while chasing 161 to win decider 3rd Test in Cape Town.

Pakistan at that stage was on brink of history creating moment. 39/4 could have been 70/6 or even 7. But our bowlers Asif Kaneria Nazir were completely ineffective afterwards. Couple of dropped catches allowed Kallis and Prince to chase down remaining target and instead of becoming 1-2 on a sad note it became 2-1.

Such are the fine margins which can alter the course of Test Cricket History.

I feel not having Shoaib Akhtar in 3rd Test was biggest factor of our loss. Asif was very disappointing as well.

Yes, indeed it was a great miss to create a history for Pakistan.
I am sure if Shoib did play Pakistan would have won
 
SA vs Pakistan test record: -

Matches: - 23
SA won: - 12
Pakistan won: - 4
Drawn: - 7
 
If I can only say that this time. This record will be broken. India beating Australia and Pakistan beating South Africa. I can see India winning 3-2. But not Pakistan to win even a single game

3-2??? It's a four match series.
 
I actually consider this series to be “suspicious” and have grave concerns about Danish Kaneria (for his toothless fourth innings bowling) and two other players.

At face value, the problem for Pakistan was that the lower order didn’t score enough runs and only Asif and Shoaib were a threat with the ball.

Within weeks Azhar Mahmood was scoring big runs and got taken to the World Cup.

Pakistan would have won this series if instead of Rana Naved and Danish Kaneria they had picked Shahid Afridi and Azhar Mahmood.

My team would have been:

Taufeeq Umar
Imran Farhat (honestly!)
Younis Khan
Inzamam
M Yousuf
Azhar Mahmood
Abdul Razzaq
Kamran Akmal
Shahid Afridi
Shoaib Akhtar
Mohammad Asif

The bowling would have been no weaker, but the extra 80 runs per innings from the tail would have won the series 3-0.
 
That Ashwel Prince's lbw decision was the difference in the end.
 
No subcontinent team has won a Test series in Australia and South Africa. Such a shame for all of us really.

It was a great chance for first series win for India in this tour to Australia, But i have suspicion now about this after the Perth loss due to selection blunder.
It is really a shame for Asian teams that after so many years of playing test they are yet to win a series in SA and Australia.
 
I actually consider this series to be “suspicious” and have grave concerns about Danish Kaneria (for his toothless fourth innings bowling) and two other players.

At face value, the problem for Pakistan was that the lower order didn’t score enough runs and only Asif and Shoaib were a threat with the ball.

Within weeks Azhar Mahmood was scoring big runs and got taken to the World Cup.

Pakistan would have won this series if instead of Rana Naved and Danish Kaneria they had picked Shahid Afridi and Azhar Mahmood.

My team would have been:

Taufeeq Umar
Imran Farhat (honestly!)
Younis Khan
Inzamam
M Yousuf
Azhar Mahmood
Abdul Razzaq
Kamran Akmal
Shahid Afridi
Shoaib Akhtar
Mohammad Asif

The bowling would have been no weaker, but the extra 80 runs per innings from the tail would have won the series 3-0.

I agree. Pakistan missed the service of Azhar in last few years when he was in pick form with the bat and scoring runs and also taking wickets in England. And also Pakistan took Shahid Nazir inthis series but he was in his off form years already , he was a gun bowler in early 2000 when he wasn't picked.In the final of world series cup in 1999 probably he was bowling fast with swing, got 3 wickets including wicket of Lara and Pakistan won the final. Unfortunately he was dropped immediately thanks to the as always crazy Pak selectors
 
I actually consider this series to be “suspicious” and have grave concerns about Danish Kaneria (for his toothless fourth innings bowling) and two other players.

At face value, the problem for Pakistan was that the lower order didn’t score enough runs and only Asif and Shoaib were a threat with the ball.

Within weeks Azhar Mahmood was scoring big runs and got taken to the World Cup.

Pakistan would have won this series if instead of Rana Naved and Danish Kaneria they had picked Shahid Afridi and Azhar Mahmood.

My team would have been:

Taufeeq Umar
Imran Farhat (honestly!)
Younis Khan
Inzamam
M Yousuf
Azhar Mahmood
Abdul Razzaq
Kamran Akmal
Shahid Afridi
Shoaib Akhtar
Mohammad Asif

The bowling would have been no weaker, but the extra 80 runs per innings from the tail would have won the series 3-0.

As usual, I see some gaps in the fact and your post.

First, in that deciding 3rd Test, Danish Kaneria had a match analysis of 20-6-44-3 & 28-9-52-2 : 48-15-96-5 ... while even Asif had a match figures of 16-2-53-3 & 21-8-43-2 : 37-10-96-5. Obviously Kaneria was toothless and as I said, I'll never discuss about the role of a spinner with you.

Coming to the contribution of TAIL - in that Test match, SAF batted 1.5 times (won by 5 wickets) and their 4 bowlers batted once for scores of Paul Harris 1, A Hall 4, D Styen 3 & M Ntini 0 = 8 at an average of 2.00. PAK's tail batted twice for scores of Sami (4 & 31), Nazir (3 & 27), Kaneria (0 & 1*), Asif (0* & 6) ...... I hope you won't suggest that Asif & Kaneria should have been dropped for their batting efforts.

Coming to Series now - only Test PAK won was 2nd Test where Kaneria had a match analysis of 14-3-36-3 & 51'2-14-105-4 : 65'2-17-141-7. Rana Naved played only one Test, the first one and his scores were 30 & 33, but he failed in his core purpose : 17-2-92-2 & 7-1-21-0. SO, yes I won't have played him at all, but for the 2nd set of data, by the "contribution from tail logic", he should have played all 3 Tests :)

As I say once more - I'll never discuss the role of a spinner in a Test match with you, but FGS, please do bother to check the scorecards before spending so much energy to write your fantasies. PAK lost that series because of SHAMBOLIC catching and pathetic fitness by their bowlers, particularly Shoaib. And, obviously a walking top 3 of Yasir, Farhat & Hafeez that scored about 256 runs in 18 innings didn't help. Even in 3rd Test Kaneria couldn't win that Test because both Jaques & Prince were dropped in their single digit, otherwise he bowled well enough to bundle SAF for less than 150, if they were 5 down for even 100, but Kallis & Prince resisted & cashed on their early escape.



Just for a side note - the guy instrumental for SAF's win was their No. 11, some Makhya N'tini, who scored 23 runs with bat & took 19 wickets with ball.


Here are the reference, if you really do wish to have a proper look this time.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...rd-test-pakistan-tour-of-south-africa-2006-07
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...wling_by_team.html?id=2768;team=7;type=series
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...wling_by_team.html?id=2768;team=3;type=series

I won't have bothered here to respond but I watched almost every ball on those Tests, couldn't resist here - and yes, I won't have ever replaced a genuine Leggi taking 15 wickets at 26 (out of 47 wickets that went to bowlers' credit) & at an economy of 2.20, for an "All-rounder" who won't even average 26 with bat ..... replacing Kaneria with Afridi and then expect that bowling won't had been weaker - is exactly the reason I decided not to discuss anything about spinners with my Boss here in PP.

Then comes winning 3-0 .... not sure if you are trying to insult that SAF team or the intelligence of posters here .....
 
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The basic story is this.

Test 1: Pakistan loses defending 198
Test 2: Pakistan wins
Test 3: Pakistan loses defending 160 in a Test where the scores were 157, 183, 186 and finally 161-5.

I know that you can’t see this, but in both the first and third match, Pakistan would have won if:

EITHER they had scored an extra 30 runs across the two innings,

OR their leg-spinner had managed to take enough wickets in the Fourth Innings.

Part of my current scepticism about Yasir Shah stems from this series.

Equally, in those 3 Tests there was only one innings out of twelve which produced a score greater than 340. Which is why I believe that Pakistan’s best chance is a low scoring series - especially as Mickey Arthur was the South African coach in that series!
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
The basic story is this.

Test 1: Pakistan loses defending 198
Test 2: Pakistan wins
Test 3: Pakistan loses defending 160 in a Test where the scores were 157, 183, 186 and finally 161-5.

I know that you can’t see this, but in both the first and third match, Pakistan would have won if:

EITHER they had scored an extra 30 runs across the two innings,

OR their leg-spinner had managed to take enough wickets in the Fourth Innings.

Part of my current scepticism about Yasir Shah stems from this series.


Equally, in those 3 Tests there was only one innings out of twelve which produced a score greater than 340. Which is why I believe that Pakistan’s best chance is a low scoring series - especially as Mickey Arthur was the South African coach in that series!

So your concerns re Yasir is that he is a match fixer? Interesting.
 
So your concerns re Yasir is that he is a match fixer? Interesting.
No not at all.

Kaneria bowled in the Fourth Innings in South Africa twice.

Defending 198 he took 0-61 in 24.5 overs.

Defending 160 he took 2-52 in 28 overs.

That makes me doubt the value of a leg-spinner even in the Fourth Innings.

But it also makes me wonder how early the now self-confessed fixer Kaneria was originally corrupted.

In Australia in similar conditions Yasir Shah bowled leg-stump tripe to the orders of Misbah.
 
If Ind/pak cant win now in Sa/Aus they never will. No point touring in future.

Reality is SA/Aus can put there best 1st class teams & theyl roll over asian teams in there own conditions!!
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
The basic story is this.

Test 1: Pakistan loses defending 198
Test 2: Pakistan wins
Test 3: Pakistan loses defending 160 in a Test where the scores were 157, 183, 186 and finally 161-5.

I know that you can’t see this, but in both the first and third match, Pakistan would have won if:

EITHER they had scored an extra 30 runs across the two innings,

OR their leg-spinner had managed to take enough wickets in the Fourth Innings.

Part of my current scepticism about Yasir Shah stems from this series.

Equally, in those 3 Tests there was only one innings out of twelve which produced a score greater than 340. Which is why I believe that Pakistan’s best chance is a low scoring series - especially as Mickey Arthur was the South African coach in that series!

No, PAK won't have won with 130 extra runs (I add 100 more), if Afridi had replaced Kaneria or Azhar/Razzak replacing Asif, Sami, Nazir, Shoaib - because SAF would have posted 400+ then in their 1st innings.

The fundamental blunder that you are making in your assumption is that bowling quality (particularly spin bowling) is flat and any spinner is replaceable by other one - which is not the case. I put it other way - had those changes been made, say Afridi for Kaneria, PAK would have defended far less than 198 & 160 in 4th innings despite whatever extra Afridi scores with bat.

That 2nd Test was won by a brilliant innings from a batsman, not from tail contribution. Before that, one spell of Shoaib where he blew SAF's middle order in 8 balls and SAF's tail couldn't recover from that collapse. For a check - in that 2nd Test, 4 PAK bowlers scored in only innings they batted were 10, 4, 1 & 7 .... and the last 3 guys took 18 of the 20 wickets. In same game SAF's 4 bowlers contribution with bat in 2nd innings were 36, 23*, 0, 18. It never happens that tail has bailed you out of trouble without much contribution from proper batsmen. They can indeed be handy if they can bat a bit, but not at the compromise of bowling - then the balance is distorted.

Test is a specialists game - everyone has to perform his role. It's a flawed logic that you compromise on bowling for batting depth - in that regard you shouldn't play any bowler and pack XI with 6 batsmen and 5 all-rounders : 25 X 5 X 2 = 250 extra runs that should win you every Test. I am surprised that after so many years in cricket and I do know you study this game lot, why this basic fundamental is still confusing you? We argued here lot about the same regarding Maxwell & Lyon in AUS's combination; Nawaz vs Zulfiquar Babar .... latest one is Shadab vs Yasir.

It's no rocket science that if your No. 8 can contribute 29 with bat, it's definitely better than 6, BUT provided that the bowling strength isn't compromised. I'll always say that Shakib & Miraz should play every Test for BD, but that's for their added strength with bat, not for bating ability. I have written here many times that our other Offie Naeem (a 18 years old kid, brilliant prospect) should replace Miraz if he can out bowl him, regardless of respective batting as I don't want 2 offies in XI. Similarly Moeen is a vital cog for English success because he is their best Offie available who happens to average 35 with bat. ENG won recent Series in SRL for Moeen's all-round ability and one of the main reasons being the selection of that specialist SLAO spinner; in fact ENG dropped Curren from last 2 Tests, I believe to keep 3 spinners.

Your problem is, you put it as a formula and expect things to happen to fit your combination. What Mahmood or Razzak - if available I'll say bring Imran & Intekhab to bat at 7 & 8 ......... but you are saying that Shdab & Fahim should play at 7 & 8 - and by their batting position, they should contribute like Imran & Intekhab with bat, then with ball!!!!


I explained this with another game between these 2 sides at Durban - PAK was missing Wasim & Inzi and last 4 wickets were Mushi, Waquar, Shoiab, Fazle Akbar; led by a make shift captain Sohail. Yet, they won that Test because of the bowlers picking wickets for lower cost than SAF - obviously Mahmood's 1st innings & Saeed's 2nd innings century was instrumental, but still it fetched only ~475 as match total. And, to your surprise, Mushi with his 9 wickets won MoM.

It's a specialist's game and PAK's only chance here is to out bowl SAF, for that they need 4 strike bowlers on absolute bowling merit. Yes, we can debate on, if Yasir should play at Highlands or not, and I personally am not sure if Yasir should play had Abbas been available, as bowling picks should be on horses for courses basis, but compromising on striking ability will be suicidal for PAK.


By the way, my apologies for not wishing you. Belated, but better late than never : Merry Christmas, and best wishes for the new year.
 
Thanks for the kind words [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION].

I guess my feelings are these: outside Asia, a Test Team can only carry 2-3 players who can’t bat.

But Pakistan can only carry 2 players who can’t bat, because several of their specialist batsmen aren’t very good.
 
Thanks for the kind words [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION].

I guess my feelings are these: outside Asia, a Test Team can only carry 2-3 players who can’t bat.

But Pakistan can only carry 2 players who can’t bat, because several of their specialist batsmen aren’t very good.

Completely agree with that. Actually the batting picks are horrible including the Captain & openers but if I go beyond this, people'll get upset. Within limitations, still it was possible to put a better batting lineup, but national cause is compromised for vested interest, we can't help.

In or outside Asia, no where teams ideally should carry one dimensional bowlers, but there is a system limitation. Take ENG, with their batting depth, they were absolutely hammered by IND & PAK in Asia, and they'll face same again in IND next time. Similarly, IND tried with Pandeya guy, then Pant as WK and Ashwin is definitely a great bat at 8 - still it was 4-1 in ENG and next time I fear it'll be even worse - Kohli'll be 34 and their 3 of the 4 bowlers might retire by then. Because, the fundamental skill set isn't there - ENG can't replace their inability of mastering spin with batting depth, neither IND can compete with exposing middle order against Dukes ball at 20 almost every time.

For PAK's case, best alternative is to back on their strong areas, rather than plugging the weak leaks. That's every real life business strategy actually - you build on your strength and try to improve your weak areas, without harming your cash cows. PAK has a problem - forget blowers, most of their batsmen will forget batting if Phi-Styen hits their mark - that's why the team is weak. To fix that, long term solution is improving batting - short term, only solution I see is to back on batting as less as possible and facilitate the stronger suits, which includes catching as well - Test might finish in 3 days, but PAK will compete in that route. I don't see that happening by replacing 2 bowlers for Fahim & Shadab.
 
Sure [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION], but the thing is this.

Yasir Shah probably isn’t an upgrade on Shadab Khan in South Africa, because he even averages 67 as a bowler in Australia in similar conditions.

The squad is two fast bowlers short, and I don’t know why reinforcements haven’t been called up. But Faheem is there as the fourth seamer ahead of Ehsan Adil or Wahab Riaz. He’s not a huge downgrade as a bowler, and his runs could be crucial.

I have a rapidly growing issue with Sarfraz Ahmed. Time and again in England, Australia and New Zealand he has got out because he refuses to leave balls in the “corridor of uncertainty” outside off-stump. Either he learns or it’s time for Rizwan to replace him. I’d love a long-term future outside Asia of:

6. Rizwan (wk)
7. Shadab
8. Faheem
9. Amir
10. Shaheen
11. Abbas
 
IIRC, it was the same series in which Akhtar was accused of hitting Asif in the nets with a bat.
 
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