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@daytrader claimed he's the best all time objectively. I even asked him to clarify if he meant statistically or objectively, he said objectively.Are there people who rate Babar as the best Pakistani batter ever?
Where was this against India?
If India doesn't beat USA badly then it will be a problem as well.
His son owning him nowI will disown Amir if he were to be my son lol
My failure to realiseThat was sarcasm my friend.
We been looking forward to that for last 10 ICC eventsLooking forward to the rebuild after this WC
Same question by me. Babar is nowhere near to the status of Javed Miandad.Are there people who rate Babar as the best Pakistani batter ever?
I have seen that awkward moment when Manjrekar handed over man of the match to Jadeja. But Manjrekar checked with him "Is it okay to talk" before giving away the award lol It was hilariousHis son owning him now
Of course every team isn’t USA and CanadaYou can't simply perform every game
more like junaid siddiqui the only "canadian" that went for two sixes, you can just tell he's got some Pakistani rootsPakistan's secret weapon today was Agent Saad bin Zafar
Yes. The NRR gap is like 3-4 overs. So not huge and if USA loses then obviously their NRR is going to take a hit. Pakistan is playing last. So they will know how quick they will have to chase if they bat 2nd.If Pakistan is to qualify,they have to beat Ireland and Ireland has to best usa. Right?
spot on...What does this say about squad selection when we are forced to play Shadab as a batter. Agha Salman and Aamer Jamal would have improved the balance so much more.
We could have played Aamer instead of Rauf and played Abrar as a specialist spinner.
my worst moment when Pak lost to Aus in test match in 2010Happens to the best of us, I lost it when India lost home series to England didn't want for an year lol until the next home series against Aus which we won (2012)
ty @DeadlyVenom for the appreciation of this post in 1st over o inningsremember this - H786 more right than wrong - c @mominsaigol - you need reference , ask my buddy @Asad T @BouncerGuy - 104/3
Not celebrating, brother. Just didn't see Canada beating PAK. They're too weak.@Nikhil_cric celebrate now brother
Ik but I was going with mentality. Even today Pakistan isn't mentally their. Only babar seems to have switched on. Rest of the dugout is still timid and in cry baby mode.Not celebrating, brother. Just didn't see Canada beating PAK. They're too weak.
You are a true cricket enthusiastty @DeadlyVenom for the appreciation of this post in 1st over o innings
Yeah loses hurt back then, It didn’t even hurt to lose 2023 wc final as much as 2003 did.my worst moment when Pak lost to Aus in test match in 2010
Correct. No amount of mentality can bridge this skill gapIk but I was going with mentality. Even today Pakistan isn't mentally their. Only babar seems to have switched on. Rest of the dugout is still timid and in cry baby mode.
Khair skill gap was shown here between the 2 sides
US is not going to the next stage because of NRR. If they lose both games, their NRR comes down.Pak may have won but this was such a poor effort by their batsmen. They could have chased in 14 overs or even earlier to go over USAs NRR. They should have gone hammer and tongs and upped the NRR - a real missed opportunity. Tuk tuk defensive batting. Not complaining though as it puts USA in a better spot with NRR assuming they lose to Ind and Ireland. Ind is a long shot but Ireland certainly beatable for USA but if not atleast USA will have a higher NRR than Pak. This is where I think Pak missed the boat - a mistake that will cost them the Super 8 stage. And frankly such a defensive team doesnt deserve to be in the Super 8. Ind is celebrating the win over Pak with the team videos they uploaded - as if they won the WC . Eng is still not out yet and Aus and WI will be lurking in the SFs.
Yes agree but if both the USA games are close and if Pak has a close win as well - then USA can have a higher NRR based on the victory margins for all. Pak had the chance to take the NRR totally out of the equation today - thats what I am saying buy they did not.US is not going to the next stage because of NRR. If they lose both games, their NRR comes down.
US has to either beat Ireland or rain washes out either one or both games in Florida.
Pak may have won but this was such a poor effort by their batsmen. They could have chased in 14 overs or even earlier to go over USAs NRR. They should have gone hammer and tongs and upped the NRR - a real missed opportunity. Tuk tuk defensive batting. Not complaining though as it puts USA in a better spot with NRR assuming they lose to Ind and Ireland. Ind is a long shot but Ireland certainly beatable for USA but if not atleast USA will have a higher NRR than Pak. This is where I think Pak missed the boat - a mistake that will cost them the Super 8 stage. And frankly such a defensive team doesnt deserve to be in the Super 8. Ind is celebrating the win over Pak with the team videos they uploaded - as if they won the WC . Eng is still not out yet and Aus and WI will be lurking in the SFs.
The best T202WC group stage ever, Has been so exciting. Close games with no teams guaranteed quick Super 8 entry. Heck , SL , NZ , Eng and Pak all can be out before the Super8 stageFor once, I wish most T20I pictches are like New York where the bowlers get some advantage over batsmen. Otherwise the game has become all too much about 200+ scores.
Or at least pitches where teams average score is 150-160.
Yeah even Bangladesh couldn't chase a low score though they beat NZ other day.The best T202WC group stage ever, Has been so exciting. Close games with no teams guaranteed quick Super 8 entry. Heck , SL , NZ , Eng and Pak all can be out before the Super8 stage
Shadab keeps his place because domicile matters
Totally agree. But, if Pak were even half as ruthless as other teams are they wouldnt be in this position.Yes agree but if both the USA games are close and if Pak has a close win as well - then USA can have a higher NRR based on the victory margins for all. Pak had the chance to take the NRR totally out of the equation today - thats what I am saying buy they did not.
@daytrader
I thought you'd be here today bro, your home country of birth and home country of current occupancy are playing.
Whatever the outcome its a win win for you, only drawback its in USA and not Canada, otherwise you'd be able to attend live as well.
Even if US wins by a combined total of 2 runs in both games, Pakistan needs to beat Ireland by 7 runs to leap-frog them on the table.Yes agree but if both the USA games are close and if Pak has a close win as well - then USA can have a higher NRR based on the victory margins for all. Pak had the chance to take the NRR totally out of the equation today - thats what I am saying buy they did not.
They definitely should have made it easier on themselves with a quick chase.
Although someone calculated that Pakistan only has to win by 8-9 runs if the Americans lose by the closest possible margin in both games.
I think the biggest concern is the weather in Lauderhill.
If US win any of their remaining two games, they will qualify without NRR coming into play.Even if US wins by a combined total of 2 runs in both games, Pakistan needs to beat Ireland by 7 runs to leap-frog them on the table.
US isn’t qualifying over Pakistan over NRR. They have to beat Ireland or hope for rain in either or both games.
Ofcourse.If US win any of their remaining two games, they will qualify without NRR coming into play.
Same question by me. Babar is nowhere near to the status of Javed Miandad.
Spoiler alert, India to lose to USA and then beat Canada, on the cards? then gud bhye Qudrat Ka Nizam
Even if US wins by a combined total of 2 runs in both games, Pakistan needs to beat Ireland by 7 runs to leap-frog them on the table.
US isn’t qualifying over Pakistan over NRR. They have to beat Ireland or hope for rain in either or both Fi
Well the likes of Aston Villa and Nottingham Forest have been champions of Europe but not supposedly mighty ArsenalVery harsh on Arsenal as Canada is not comparable to them .
Even if US wins by a combined total of 2 runs in both games, Pakistan needs to beat Ireland by 7 runs to leap-frog them on the table.
US isn’t qualifying over Pakistan over NRR. They have to beat Ireland or hope for rain in either or both games.e
It will rain. There is no drainage system on the ground, not even a poor one.Everything depends on USA vs Ireland now. If USA wins that one. Pak is out.
Don't worry, it was already planned by India to loose against USA and win against Ireland. The next two matches of India were already fixed yesterday night at 23.00 hrs GMT at "The Mayflower Pub", 117 Rotherhithe St, London SE16 4N.I want Pakistan match to be washed out on Sunday to get these clowns out of tournament and better changes in the team. They don't deserve to go to super 8. That was pathetic on Sunday, have been watching cricket since 90s many ups and downs. Sunday was spineless effort . I don't care if you win or lose but show some guts..
Because they are mental midgets. There’s no pressure nowhow come pakistan finds momentum half way through tournament when everything is lost
No no, I am happy for him. Must be a proud moment for him, his family and his fans to win a MOTM vs Canada after bowling the worst Super Over in history, that too vs the mighty USA.
You can come up with as many excuses, justifications and deflections tactics as you want but it will not change the fact that Amir bowled the worst Super Over in history.At least he didn’t chicken out unlike Babar and Rizwan.
The fact that Amir isn’t even the leader of the bowling attack and the captain still went to him shows you how little faith Babar had in the likes of Shaheen, Naseem and Rauf.
Also, the same super over where we couldn’t chase 19 vs USA?
The super over where Babar and Rizwan were sitting on the bench.
The super over where Shadab came in instead of Babar and Rizwan.
The number 1 and number 2 t20 ranked batsmen can’t bat in the super over vs USA, that’s Babar’s legacy as a T20 batsman.
@YousafTheBeast
“The fact that Amir isn’t even the leader of the bowling attack and the captain still went to him shows you how little faith Babar had in the likes of Shaheen, Naseem and Rauf.“
Let me show you up on this.
Had Babar asked another bowler to bowl the Super Over and he had conceded plenty of runs and Pakistan would have lost, you would have said the following:
“The fact that Babar didn’t give Amir the Super Over shows that he has a personal agenda against Amir.
Everyone knows that Amir was the best choice for bowling the Super Over, having bowled an excellent 19th over, and we know that Amir always turns up under pressure and in big moments, so he would have bowled a match winning Super Over. Babar once again showed he is a clueless captain…..”
I challenge you to prove me wrong and convince me that you wouldn’t have read from this script.
This is drama bazi to epic proportions.I’m not even denying that Amir bowled a bad super over, it’s the fact that his critics aren’t questioning how and why we got to that point, and how we couldn’t get the target. All the blame on one player just because he took back his retirement
Amir’s super over was nothing compared to Babar’s 14 off 25 after 10 overs. Would you agree?
I won’t agree because you have to look at the sequence of events and the timeline.I’m not even denying that Amir bowled a bad super over, it’s the fact that his critics aren’t questioning how and why we got to that point, and how we couldn’t get the target. All the blame on one player just because he took back his retirement
Amir’s super over was nothing compared to Babar’s 14 off 25 after 10 overs. Would you agree?
Pakistan vs Ireland washout is even more likely than Pakistan beating Ireland handsomely.Pakistan still has a good chance of making it to the next round.
Pakistan has to beat Ireland handsomely which is quite possible.
USA has to lose to Ireland(margin does not matter) which is quite possible.
My prediction still stays put, USA is beating IndiaIndia is beating USA and Canada
FailMy prediction still stays put, USA is beating India