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Pakistan (178/6) defeat West Indies (164/7) by 14 runs in first T20I match to lead the 3-match series 1-0

Gave up 85 runs in the last 7 overs thanks to Faheem & Rauf. Dampens the otherwise strong performance from Pakistan tonight.
 
Good work by most of the team but the death bowling, especially the last two overs, showed a distinct lack of focus.
 
Greenstorm said:
He isn't going anywhere as long as :ns this family is in power. Abbas Afridi and Wasim Jr are kept out of squad for a reason.
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This is so sad. I am really disappointed in PMLN over this. For all the good they have done so far, this is ridiculous.
 
mominsaigol said:
I like Pakistan copying Aussie model in t20

Top 4 are all aggressive hitters. PK doesnt have the talent of Aus but the template is being followed. Talent will develop eventually
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I love the approach in batting barring the brainless decision to send Nawaz and Faheem over Haris but what about the bowling? We cannot win the worldcup with Faheem in the playing 11.
 
Mohammad Nawaz and Saim Ayub shine as Pakistan clinch series opener against West Indies

Mohammad Nawaz turned the tide with a pivotal over, snaring three wickets to seal Pakistan’s 14-run win over West Indies in the first T20I of the three-match series at Central Broward Regional Park, Lauderhill on Thursday evening.

Batting first, Pakistan posted a solid total of 178 for six, led by a fluent 57 off 38 deliveries from left-hander Saim Ayub, who later returned with bowling figures of 2 for 20 and was named Player of the Match.

Chasing 179, West Indies were cruising at 72 without loss midway through their innings. Debutant Jewel Andrew (35 off 33) and Johnson Charles (35 off 36) gave the hosts a steady start. However, momentum shifted sharply in the 12th over when Nawaz, the left-arm spinner, removed Andrew to break the stand, then sent back Charles and Gudakesh Motie (0) in the same over, collapsing the hosts from 72/0 to 75/3. He completed his spell with 3 for 23 in four overs.

Saim added further pressure in the following over by dismissing West Indies captain Shai Hope (2). Despite a late push from Jason Holder (30* off 12) and Shamar Joseph (21* off 12), West Indies concluded their innings at 164 for seven, falling 14 runs short.

Earlier, after the early exit of Sahibzada Farhan (14 off 12), Ayub—who struck five fours and two sixes—built an 81-run partnership with Fakhar Zaman (28 off 24). The stand ended when Holder trapped Ayub LBW at 107. Right-hander Hasan Nawaz added a brisk 24 off 18, helping Pakistan reach 178 for six in their allotted overs.

West Indies pacer Shamar Joseph impressed with 3 for 30, applying late pressure during Pakistan’s innings.

The second T20I will be played at the same venue on Saturday.

Scores in brief:

Pakistan beat West Indies by 14 runs.

Pakistan 178-6, 20 overs (Saim Ayub 57, Fakhar Zaman 28, Hasan Nawaz 24; Shamar Joseph 3-30)

West Indies 164-7, 20 overs (Jewel Andrew 35, Johnson Charles 35, Jason Holder 30, Shamar Joseph 21; Mohammad Nawaz 3-23, Saim Ayub 2-20)

Player of the Match – Saim Ayub (Pakistan)
 
mominsaigol said:
I like Pakistan copying Aussie model in t20

Top 4 are all aggressive hitters. PK doesnt have the talent of Aus but the template is being followed. Talent will develop eventually
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Mate, I'm not clued in about the Pakistani domestic system so apologies for my ignorance, but, you blokes tended to produce some powerful hitters in the past, what has happened in recent times?
 
Ice Man said:
Mate, I'm not clued in about the Pakistani domestic system so apologies for my ignorance, but, you blokes tended to produce some powerful hitters in the past, what has happened in recent times?
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The issue arose during Misbah era. The trend shifted from.aggression to stability.

Misbah as captain + coach disnt understand that building a fortress only works in test cricket on certain pitches such as UAE.

It doesnt work in odi, T20 or overseas test pitches like Aus.

It was ruined from their on with players being glorified for avergaes rather then hitting.

Pakistan is somewhat recovering now with the induction of saim and hasan nawaz but overall they are lacking in technique due to disinterest in test cricket.

If you look at players like saim ayub, Farhan, Fakhar zaman, Hasan nawaz etc etc, these boys pack a punch.

Sure they aren't as talented as Australian batsmen, but they are heavy hitters.

But cant do much if rubbish like Abdullah shafique, Rizwan etc etc is being promoted.

In domestics theirs a cultural problem hence creating these 2 player divisions. One that focuses on stats and the other focusing on power
 
West Indies choked in the middle overs against spin, mainly.

40/0 at 4.5 to 84/4 in 14

Ironic, considering they didn't even bowl Motie and played him as a batsman.

Not to mention the shambolic catching by Rutherford etc.
 
Ice Man said:
Mate, I'm not clued in about the Pakistani domestic system so apologies for my ignorance, but, you blokes tended to produce some powerful hitters in the past, what has happened in recent times?
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The honest answer was it was easier to produce hitters in the past when other teams players had similar diets and training programs. Western teams used to go out for a drink after a night's play and eastern teams were fond of food.

In the era of sports science, nutrition, tailored training plans, strength and conditioning, sports analysis the rest of the world has leaped forward and we have stayed where we were or even regressed.

Many posters will blame it on Misbah, or Babar or some other random nobody rather than acknowledging the system and it's failures. I think the rot isnt too easy to overcome in T20. It's a relatively simple format we can click back again in a relatively short time since the barrier to becoming a good side isn't too high...but our players need to go out of Pakistan and experience LOI cricket around the world.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
West Indies choked in the middle overs against spin, mainly.

40/0 at 4.5 to 84/4 in 14

Ironic, considering they didn't even bowl Motie and played him as a batsman.

Not to mention the shambolic catching by Rutherford etc.
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Not sure what Hope was thinking not bowling Motie. That was pretty brainless.
 
I feel like even a good school cricket team could give Windies a run for their money right now.

Their T20 cricket is in the toilet. And it's not even about the players. They have good T20 players who get picked in leagues all over the world. They are just an incredibly sloppy and unprofessional side that hasn't even figured out its best combination yet. On top of that, they keep making the same mistakes over and over again.

A team like Pakistan will play horribly in one match but then maybe put on a great performance in the next. West Indies have just been uniformly bad as of late.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
They all look a bit jaded and just seem to be going through the motions
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I recollect a dhoni incident in 2007.Aus hammered India in 7 match odi series 5-2.Later india did the same to pak and dhoni quipped aus will fix a lot of flaws to become a better team.Immediately after that India had a tour of aus and even won the cb series by beating aus in best of 3 finals.In moments of difficulty and tough times, a captain should be a leader to motivate the team than meekly surrender. ( irrespective of team quality)
 
DeadlyVenom said:
The honest answer was it was easier to produce hitters in the past when other teams players had similar diets and training programs. Western teams used to go out for a drink after a night's play and eastern teams were fond of food.

In the era of sports science, nutrition, tailored training plans, strength and conditioning, sports analysis the rest of the world has leaped forward and we have stayed where we were or even regressed.

Many posters will blame it on Misbah, or Babar or some other random nobody rather than acknowledging the system and it's failures. I think the rot isnt too easy to overcome in T20. It's a relatively simple format we can click back again in a relatively short time since the barrier to becoming a good side isn't too high...but our players need to go out of Pakistan and experience LOI cricket around the world.
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They do go out of Pakistan and experience cricket around the world, yet come back inferior players.

The mindset has been lacking in the past few years too. Players with attacking games were reduced to nothing more than glorified sloggers after the top 3 were done solidifying a foundation. Most domestic performers weren’t given chances as they were top order players. There was nothing wrong with that at the time - but in a couple of years T20 cricket has literally sky-rocketed in terms of skill.

Anyhow, the system being rubbish is also a major factor as you say.
 
I already posted Pakistan should play CPL teams rather than this money hungry team.

Sammy has completely destroyed this team in all formats, WI were #4 T2OI team only last year.
 
Vikram1989 said:
I recollect a dhoni incident in 2007.Aus hammered India in 7 match odi series 5-2.Later india did the same to pak and dhoni quipped aus will fix a lot of flaws to become a better team.Immediately after that India had a tour of aus and even won the cb series by beating aus in best of 3 finals.In moments of difficulty and tough times, a captain should be a leader to motivate the team than meekly surrender. ( irrespective of team quality)
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India had the players for ODI cricket back then though.

West Indies were going along fairly decently until that Ireland tour earlier this year.

They have fallen apart in all formats since then
 
Nikhil_cric said:
India had the players for ODI cricket back then though.

West Indies were going along fairly decently until that Ireland tour earlier this year.

They have fallen apart in all formats since then
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Its about willingness to fight atleast.wi are happy to raise a white flag at the first shot
 
Vikram1989 said:
Its about willingness to fight atleast.wi are happy to raise a white flag at the first shot
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I don't think that's necessarily true. They are playing the same players across 3 formats and it's taking a toll.

Previously, with Andre Cooley , the Test side was significantly different from the white ball sides

And the decision making in matches has been poor as well.

Chasing in Florida when only 1 out of 11 matches has had a successful chase above 165. And then selecting Motie and not bowling him at all on a pitch where spinners have done well.

Some very poor decisions being made
 
Vikram1989 said:
I recollect a dhoni incident in 2007.Aus hammered India in 7 match odi series 5-2.Later india did the same to pak and dhoni quipped aus will fix a lot of flaws to become a better team.Immediately after that India had a tour of aus and even won the cb series by beating aus in best of 3 finals.In moments of difficulty and tough times, a captain should be a leader to motivate the team than meekly surrender. ( irrespective of team quality)
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Dhoni dropped Robin Uthappa forever after playing only 1-2 series after CB Series victory. Robin had opened with Sachin in both finals, provided solid platform in those two finals as well as in league matches.

But our thala wanted all the spotlight on himself, so he quitely sidelined the big hitters Robin, Yusuf & Yuvraj thereafter from the ODI team so he could keep that #6 spot for himself & brought non six hitters like Jadeja-Ashwin in the team.
 
Rana said:
Where is @Ahmed216 in this thread to remind us Pakistan cricket is dead?
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They won because they batted sensibly like Babar and Rizwan according to conditions.

Brainlessly aiming for 250 on this pitch they would have folded for 120.

I think this team would do even better if Rizwan and Babar replace Farhan and Fakhar. Soon Inshallah
 
Ahmed216 said:
They won because they batted sensibly like Babar and Rizwan according to conditions.
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I don’t think anyone viewed Pakistan’s batting against WI reminiscent of Babar and Rizwan.

This is a clear sign of you suffering from the disease of “cluelessness”.
 
Ahmed216 said:
They won because they batted sensibly like Babar and Rizwan according to conditions.

Brainlessly aiming for 250 on this pitch they would have folded for 120.

I think this team would do even better if Rizwan and Babar replace Farhan and Fakhar. Soon Inshallah
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Your solution is to replace flexible players who can play according to the situation with 2 players who never play according to the situation?

I can understand people wanting Babar back as before his form slump he has a terrific t20 record with a decent avg and 3 centuries. Hence backing him to get his form back isnt a bad thing.

Rizwan is as much of a t20 player as Usman Khawaja or Rahul dravid are in the t20 format.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I don't think that's necessarily true. They are playing the same players across 3 formats and it's taking a toll.

Previously, with Andre Cooley , the Test side was significantly different from the white ball sides

And the decision making in matches has been poor as well.

Chasing in Florida when only 1 out of 11 matches has had a successful chase above 165. And then selecting Motie and not bowling him at all on a pitch where spinners have done well.

Some very poor decisions being made
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I think them resting King, Hetmyer and Joseph is just an excuse in case they lose the series, as losing with a full-strength side to an inferior Pakistan team right after a 5-0 mauling would have ended a few careers before the WT20 comes around.
 
mominsaigol said:
Your solution is to replace flexible players who can play according to the situation with 2 players who never play according to the situation?

I can understand people wanting Babar back as before his form slump he has a terrific t20 record with a decent avg and 3 centuries. Hence backing him to get his form back isnt a bad thing.

Rizwan is as much of a t20 player as Usman Khawaja or Rahul dravid are in the t20 format.
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Fakhar is a rubbish T20 player with rubbish stats over a long period of time.
And Farhan I highly doubt will do well at this level. Time will tell
 
Ahmed216 said:
Yes Sahibzada saim and Farhan all batted at SR of 200
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It’s not that they batted or didn’t bat at that sr

It’s the fact that they can bat at that sr when needed unlike RizBar who simply can’t. They are rubbish T20 batters. They are useless

And their fans are stupid I’m afraid.
 
Usman Chadda said:
I think them resting King, Hetmyer and Joseph is just an excuse in case they lose the series, as losing with a full-strength side to an inferior Pakistan team right after a 5-0 mauling would have ended a few careers before the WT20 comes around.
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I think it's justified in Alzarri's case. He has bowled in ILT20 and PSL and bowled all 3 formats for WI.

It was time to give him a break.
 
Rana said:
It’s not that they batted or didn’t bat at that sr

It’s the fact that they can bat at that sr when needed unlike RizBar who simply can’t. They are rubbish T20 batters. They are useless

And their fans are stupid I’m afraid.
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No its the fact that they had to play at the merit of the ball and not slog in the name of 'intent'. Something that you have been promoting dumbhead zero knowledge fan
 
Rana said:
It’s not that they batted or didn’t bat at that sr

It’s the fact that they can bat at that sr when needed unlike RizBar who simply can’t. They are rubbish T20 batters. They are useless

And their fans are stupid I’m afraid.
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Farhan is an all format player and pcb is consistently doing him injustice by playing that rubbish Abdullah shafique over him.

Farhan ideally should be Pakistan's all formst opener. In odi its a bit tricky as fakhar and saim have to open.

Farhan and Hasan Nawaz should be in all formats. Nawaz needs the Cameron Green Treatment, talent wise he's an absolute gem, great reactions and amazing timing and power, just a bit of dodgy technique which can be improved over time.

Saim, Farhan, Nawaz, Agha

^^ All formats

Babar and Kamran Ghulam in odi and tests

Rizwan in tests only.

Abdullah discarded from the planet.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Flexibility without ability is useless
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You may peddle around ba/riz narrative, the fact remains that As far as rizwan is concerned, Rizzu doesnt warrant a place in t20 but Babar (IF HE REGAINS FORM) does.

Hasan Nawaz Scored a century as an opener. That century is > Rizwan's entire t20 career as it came on spicy conditons, against a top tier team(even if it was a b side), in 44 deliveries.

Haris achieved in against Bangladesh but he can be a dine and dasher type player. He hit a few good hits at the back end of the innings today.

You are analysing too much in regards to the Bangladesh series on pitches that weren't suited for t20 against a team thats known to cheese wins against Aus, India and England on such dens.
 
mominsaigol said:
Hasan Nawaz as well. He gives me Pakistani Cameron Green vibes
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That’s what you need man.

Intimidation plays a big role! Pakistanis and in particular Youthias don’t understand this. They want SRK and Kajol type players, they want players hugging and kissing each other.

No! We need Sunil Shetty and Sanjay Dutt type players! We need presence on the field! Not lover boys
 
Rana said:
That’s what you need man.

Intimidation plays a big role! Pakistanis and in particular Youthias don’t understand this. They want SRK and Kajol type players, they want players hugging and kissing each other.

No! We need Sunil Shetty and Sanjay Dutt type players! We need presence on the field! Not lover boys
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We need players of whom the opposition would want to get rid of.

Not players who the opposition wants to keep around. Australia realised this with Labu. Despite all the drama about wc 2023 and his test performance in aus, eventually they realised Cameron Green was the way to go.

Labu now has one last chance in the upcoming wb tours to up his game, otherwise end of the road for him in whiteball.

In test he'll come back likely due to khawaja and konstas proving to be useless atm

The issue with labu is that outside of Australia he is an extremely defensive player who often cripples his side unless he is batting with Head, Maxwell or someone else.

Pakistan wants want rizwan and babar in t20. In odi I can somewhat see it for babar, Just cant for rizwan in the odi format. Unless he performs which he wont every game, 20 of 40, 30 of 60 is suicide in this era in both t20 and odi.
 
Ahmed216 said:
No its the fact that they had to play at the merit of the ball and not slog in the name of 'intent'. Something that you have been promoting dumbhead zero knowledge fan
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What are you on about? So RizBar were batting at a T20sr of 100 because they were playing the ball on merit??
 
Great, Nawaz performed against a minnow-level team, which means that this mentally weak player has secured his place in next year's T20 world cup.

Honestly, I am sick of seeing Nawaz, Khusdil, Rauf, and Faheem in the team.
 
The_KING said:
Great, Nawaz performed against a minnow-level team, which means that this mentally weak player has secured his place in next year's T20 world cup.

Honestly, I am sick of seeing Nawaz, Khusdil, Rauf, and Faheem in the team.
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Out of Khushdil, Nawaz and Faheem. Nawaz is the only one who did contribute for us a bit when he played. I'm willing to give him chance in absence of Shadab as Nawaz was rather harshly sidelined from the team after 2023 WC
 
Rana said:
Oh he knows

He’s not a kid. The guy is the best T20 batter in Pakistan right now because he has gone back again and again to come back stronger and stronger.

Physically and mentally.

Scoring 150+ in T20s is no joke. He’s done it twice!
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He's a pressure performer like Kohli. May he succeed even more
 
Rana said:
Oh he knows

He’s not a kid. The guy is the best T20 batter in Pakistan right now because he has gone back again and again to come back stronger and stronger.

Physically and mentally.

Scoring 150+ in T20s is no joke. He’s done it twice!
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RidiculousMan said:
He's a pressure performer like Kohli. May he succeed even more
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Hasan Nawaz can ve the Cameron Green of Pakistan if Pakistan actually nutures him.

Idkw Pakistan isnt willing to play t20 cricketers in test cricket and is willing to play test cricketers in t20?

Test cricketers like khawaja can never transition over to t20 or odi but t20 players like green cam become infinitely better. Warner improved 30 fold.

Hasan Nawaz needs to ve given Warner treatment, t20 to odi to test.

This man is a future superstar for Pakistan. That 44 ball 100 was enough to prove that he's the future considering the nightmarish pitch he achieved it on.
 
Rana said:
That’s what you need man.

Intimidation plays a big role! Pakistanis and in particular Youthias don’t understand this. They want SRK and Kajol type players, they want players hugging and kissing each other.

No! We need Sunil Shetty and Sanjay Dutt type players! We need presence on the field! Not lover boys
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They want Billy & Chuck, but we want the Brothers of Destruction
 
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