Pakistan, a safe haven for terrorists: US

[Hitman]

The U.S. on Wednesday listed Pakistan among the nations and regions providing "safe havens" to terrorists, saying terror groups like the LeT and JeM continue to operate, train, organise and fundraise inside the country.

"Pakistan did not take substantial action against the Afghan Taliban or Haqqani, or substantially limit their ability to threaten US interests in Afghanistan, although Pakistan supported efforts to bring both groups into an Afghan-led peace process," the State Department said in its 'Country Report on Terrorism' report.

"Pakistan did not take sufficient action against other externally-focused groups, such as Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) in 2016, which continued to operate, train, organise, and fundraise in Pakistan," the report said.
India, it said continued to experience attacks, "including by Maoist insurgents and Pakistan-based terrorists."

"In January, India experienced a terrorist attack against an Indian military facility in Pathankot, Punjab, which was blamed by authorities on JeM. Over the course of 2016, the Government of India sought to deepen counterterrorism cooperation and information sharing with the United States," the State Department said.


'JuD continues to openly engage in fundraising'

A number of individuals were arrested for ISIS-affiliated recruitment and attack plotting within India, the report said. In a separate chapter, the State Department listed Pakistan as one of the safe havens of terrorism. The State Department said that numerous terrorist groups, including the Haqqani Network (HQN), the LeT and JeM continued to operate from Pakistani soil in 2016.

"Although LeT is banned in Pakistan, LeT's wings Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) and Falah-i-Insaniat Foundation (FiF) were able to openly engage in fundraising, including in the capital," it said.

"LeT's chief Hafiz Saeed (a UN-designated terrorist) continued to address large rallies, although in February 2017, Pakistan proscribed him under relevant provisions of Schedule Four of the Anti-Terrorism Act, thus severely restricting his freedom of movement," it noted. The 2015 ban on media coverage of Saeed, JuD, and FiF continued and was generally followed by broadcast and print media, it said.

According to the State Department, the Pakistani government did not publicly reverse its December 2015 declaration that neither JuD nor FiF is banned in Pakistan, despite their listing under UN sanctions regimes, although in January 2017, Pakistan placed both organisations "under observation" pursuant to Schedule Two of the Anti-Terrorism Act.

On November 11, Pakistan's National Counterterrorism Authority published its own list of banned organisations that placed JuD in a separate section for groups that are "under observation" but not banned.

In its report to the Congress, the State Department said in 2016, India and the United States pledged to strengthen cooperation against terrorist threats from groups including al-Qaeda, the ISIS, JeM, LeT and D-Company (Dawood Ibrahim's group), including through greater collaboration on designations at the UN. Indian and US leaders directed officials to identify new areas of collaboration through the July US-India Counterterrorism Joint Working Group, applauded finalisation of a bilateral arrangement to facilitate the sharing of terrorism screening information, and called upon Pakistan to bring the perpetrators of terrorist attacks against India to justice, the report said.

The United States and India worked together to designate JeM leader Maulana Masood Azhar, although the listing was blocked in the UN 1267 Committee, the State Department said. Other areas mentioned in the report as safe havens are Afghanistan, Somalia, the Trans-Sahara, Sulu/Sulawesi Seas Littoral, Southern Philippines, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Yemen, Columbia and Venezuela.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...-terrorists/story-2qxoP14OZMhHmyCGdTQcAJ.html

 

[santos11]

Well, just what India has been saying all the while. Pakistan need to come down heard on it's homegrown network of terrorists .

Unfortunately, most of these terror groups are part of Good Terrorists which are provided safe haven by the beloved PA.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The irony coming from a country who openly armed, financed and continues to support terrorists in Syria and Libya.

Laughable India is a much bigger nations with a much larger military but always wants the support of the US to tackle Pakistan.

 

[hafeezrocks]

The irony coming from a country who openly armed, financed and continues to support terrorists in Syria and Libya.

Laughable India is a much bigger nations with a much larger military but always wants the support of the US to tackle Pakistan.

Lol, India is like a Baby who always runs to the Papa US in times of distress.

 

[Heisenberg]

Predictable reactions. Next time innocents die in Pakistan because of these same groups: build a wall on Afghan border.

 

[ahsan17]

Predictable reactions. Next time innocents die in Pakistan because of these same groups: build a wall on Afghan border.

Almost all attacks in Pakistan today have an origin in Afghanistan. So what exactly is your point?

 

[PakLFC]

Practically it means nothing. The Americans need Pakistan, period. India can cry and beat it's chest all it wants. America is the biggest terrorist in the world not the world policeman as it seems to think. It is embarrassing how India seeks their approval for absolutely everything.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

America provides the funding for groups like IS. Their politicians have admitted as such

 

[Heisenberg]

Almost all attacks in Pakistan today have an origin in Afghanistan. So what exactly is your point?

Sure. Not here to argue

 

[desirous of desire]

I dont know why posters here are sucking up to America and take this seriously as if America is some noble country, it does not back up military dictators, It does not lay foundations to groups rebellious to the authorities it doesnt enjoy as subordinates, later terming these groups "terrorists". So if these posters dont know this ,they need to educate themselves. But if they do know all this but are trying to get endorsement from such a country, they must accept they are hypocrites first, in this regard atleast and then we can talk further.

 

[ahsan17]

I dont know why posters here are sucking up to America and take this seriously as if America is some noble country, it does not back up military dictators, It does not lay foundations to groups rebellious to the authorities it doesnt enjoy as subordinates, later terming these groups "terrorists". So if these posters dont know this ,they need to educate themselves. But if they do know all this but are trying to get endorsement from such a country, they must accept they are hypocrites first, in this regard atleast and then we can talk further.

It is generally Indians that seek approval from western states about everything. Whatever the western states think is the truth is the de facto truth. The rest of the world doesn't seem to care but for Indians it's probably one of the most important things.

 

[troodon]

It's called trying to isolate Pakistan.

India trying its best to get a nod from west where no one believes PAKms version of Kashmir issue.

Kashmir will not be decided on battlefield. It will be decided on the isolation of Pak where Pak will be forced to give up Kashmir dreams.

 

[PakLFC]

It's called trying to isolate Pakistan.

India trying its best to get a nod from west where no one believes PAKms version of Kashmir issue.

Kashmir will not be decided on battlefield. It will be decided on the isolation of Pak where Pak will be forced to give up Kashmir dreams.

Pak ain't never gonna give up on IoK. The Kashmiris are giving your military the run around withoutt Pak having to do much other then politically support them. Pak has not been isolated at all when the whole world including Russia and China are talking to us. Even America needs Pak and you know it. We don't need the world to believe in our version of Kashmir when ultimately it will be sorted in the battle front. Americans don't really care what Bharat thinks of Hafiz Saeed or Dawood Ibrahim etc, they just make a few comments every now and again to keep you people happy. Forget Pak Kashmir where people are happy, it is about liberating IoK that we will do sooner or later.

 

[Lonewarrior]

I am hearing this BS from last 15 years.
wait till the first batch of AH-1Z viper will arrive in coming months.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pak ain't never gonna give up on IoK. The Kashmiris are giving your military the run around withoutt Pak having to do much other then politically support them. Pak has not been isolated at all when the whole world including Russia and China are talking to us. Even America needs Pak and you know it. We don't need the world to believe in our version of Kashmir when ultimately it will be sorted in the battle front. Americans don't really care what Bharat thinks of Hafiz Saeed or Dawood Ibrahim etc, they just make a few comments every now and again to keep you people happy. Forget Pak Kashmir where people are happy, it is about liberating IoK that we will do sooner or later.

Bring your entire army and still you will nit get J and K.Keep whining.

Russians?LoLfer.They are Indian allies for decades and will remain so for a longtime.Pakistan is no use to them financially or otherwise.

The age old Pakistani thinking that the world needs them.LOL.

 

[Enigma_]

lol they've been saying this for the last gazzillion years. If the Indians get a kick out if it then let it be. We do need to keep up the military operations though for our own sake.

 

[ipl_fan]

Interestingly, all that people on this thread are saying is that "Doesn't change a thing" or "So what". Nobody is refuting with the allegation. Deep down most of the Pakistanis know that Pakistan is a safe haven for terrorists.

 

[Enigma_]

Interestingly, all that people on this thread are saying is that "Doesn't change a thing" or "So what". Nobody is refuting with the allegation. Deep down most of the Pakistanis know that Pakistan is a safe haven for terrorists.

Definitely. Full of guilt here. Sorry everyone.

 

[ahsan17]

Interestingly, all that people on this thread are saying is that "Doesn't change a thing" or "So what". Nobody is refuting with the allegation. Deep down most of the Pakistanis know that Pakistan is a safe haven for terrorists.

The attitude is more so that because US and India themselves support terrorist groups and both have a history of doing so, why should we care when those countries accuse us? Because of that, no one is going to try and disprove your statements. Yes, I know, west doesn't believe what we say, blah blah blah. That goes back to the statement that we don't try to get our approval from western states.

 

[Lonewarrior]

btw, i havent found any other neutral sources except Indians sources on internet on this news.

but Frankly if there was even an iota of truth in these reports, U.S wouldn't have given even $1 to Pak and would've put sanctions like that on Iran. Even the American establishment doesn't believe these reports, they are just there to keep a narrative alive, nothing else.

 

[Pakpak]

Why do Indians get excited whenever US says this?

They have been saying this for decade and more, its meant for their domestic consumption. They'll say it, we'll yawn and life goes on in terms of cooperating in the background. Just like drone attacks, as Wikileaks showed we knew and even asked them to do it numerous times, but we'd condemn it for our domestic consumption. Both Zardari and Gilani admitted as such numerous times.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

With that Amarnath attack I came to realise the credibility of certain Indian media outlets. NDTV is one of the worst

 

[Adil_94]

U.S wont do anything. Pakistan has nukes this is just to appease Indian American lobby and current Indian govt.

America can use "rebels" with questionable ideological leanings in its own foreign policy so it has no.moral.high ground to lecture Pakistan.

 

[blue_champion]

Wait people on here are calling India as a US lackey and making fun??? Have I been reading the wrong section of current affairs from Sep 2001 to CPEC or even maybe valid till date

 

[PakLFC]

Bring your entire army and still you will nit get J and K.Keep whining.

Russians?LoLfer.They are Indian allies for decades and will remain so for a longtime.Pakistan is no use to them financially or otherwise.

The age old Pakistani thinking that the world needs them.LOL.

It is you not us who are experts at running to the Americans over "Pak terrorism" always crying like babies in a pram. The world does need Pak more then India. We don't need to bring our army just yet when the Kashmiris themselves are walloping you sore. Russians may be your allies but are not our enemies either, can't say the same for China

 

[moghul]

Modi was once declared terrorist by USA, now on his demand US is declaring Pakistan as supporting terrorism.

 

[IAJ]

The monthly dose of excitement for India from US, nothing else.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Matter of immense pride that finally the two best democracies, who should be natural allies, are on the same page. It is a victory of our foreign policy and a validation of our standing on the world stage, well earned after tirelessly working for world peace and providing leadership to the developing nations. Next step is a permanent seat on the security council and possibly a membership of nato.

 

[boomboomcheema]

Seeking Validation from the White Man is a trait among a group of people.

 

[Yossarian]

Matter of immense pride that finally the two best democracies, who should be natural allies, are on the same page. It is a victory of our foreign policy and a validation of our standing on the world stage, well earned after tirelessly working for world peace and providing leadership to the developing nations. Next step is a permanent seat on the security council and possibly a membership of nato.

Permanent does not mean the right of veto like the other five.

 

[Saeed]

Congrts to India, huge achievement. Does this label mean anything or its just there to make India happy?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Permanent does not mean the right of veto like the other five.

Right to veto will be useless for us, as we trust the judgement of our allies in the council who have made the UN a success in preventing conflicts across the world.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Very predictable.Quite ironic coming from the US who have funded these terrorists when they wanted to use them.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I dont know why posters here are sucking up to America and take this seriously as if America is some noble country, it does not back up military dictators, It does not lay foundations to groups rebellious to the authorities it doesnt enjoy as subordinates, later terming these groups "terrorists". So if these posters dont know this ,they need to educate themselves. But if they do know all this but are trying to get endorsement from such a country, they must accept they are hypocrites first, in this regard atleast and then we can talk further.

Pakistanis should suck up to the Americans in my view. They have been Pakistan's partners and sponsors for decades now, even when the WOT was launched it was done with co-ordination and co-operation between the two countries. Pakistan is America's foothold into the region. Statements like this are released now and then to keep the Indian public happy, but ask yourselves this: does anyone seriously believe the USA will give up their influence and control in Pakistan as a result of it?

If Nawaz goes, the US will already be working on the incoming leader to ensure he knows what's expected.

 

[DW44]

What? Pakistan, a safe haven for terrorists? Surely they jest. There are no terrorists in Pakistan, much less those who have official blessings because Pakistan doesn't harbor terrorists, no sir. Now please move on to Afghanistan and look for terrorist sanctuaries because there's nothing to see here and all the terrorism here comes from there.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

The pot calling the kettle black.

PS: Stop reading hindustantimes or whatever "news" source is cited.

 

[www787]

Bring your entire army and still you will nit get J and K.Keep whining.

Russians?LoLfer.They are Indian allies for decades and will remain so for a longtime.Pakistan is no use to them financially or otherwise.

The age old Pakistani thinking that the world needs them.LOL.

You have your army in Kashmir and you still don't have Kashmir.

 

[hussain123]

What is new here??they have been saying this since aeons.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It is you not us who are experts at running to the Americans over "Pak terrorism" always crying like babies in a pram. The world does need Pak more then India. We don't need to bring our army just yet when the Kashmiris themselves are walloping you sore. Russians may be your allies but are not our enemies either, can't say the same for China

Let alone these terrorists your entire army cannot take J and K.You tried you failed got a walloping so now using terrorist.

We know who the world leaders are courting and is calling a emerging economy and power.

 

[Tommo]

Indian source.. Enough said.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Permanent does not mean the right of veto like the other five.

All permanent members have veto.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Modi was once declared terrorist by USA, now on his demand US is declaring Pakistan as supporting terrorism.

Any evidence he was declared a terrorist?

 

[www787]

Let alone these terrorists your entire army cannot take J and K.You tried you failed got a walloping so now using terrorist.

We know who the world leaders are courting and is calling a emerging economy and power.

Don't get too excited. It is your money they love not your morals or you as an Indian.

Like I have said, India has their army in Kashmir and still don't have Kashmir.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indian source.. Enough said.

If US didnot say this why did Pakistan foreign office react to it?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Don't get too excited. It is your money they love not your morals or you as an Indian.

Like I have said, India has their army in Kashmir and still don't have Kashmir.

Who stopped you from earning money?

India has Kashmir de facto and de jure.

 

[English August]

I don't understand why the Indian media is playing this up so much. The US State Department has pushed out reports to this effect quite regularly over the past 15 years. But nothing changes on the ground.

There is a sense of deja vu about it.

 

[www787]

Who stopped you from earning money?

India has Kashmir de facto and de jure.

No one.

But you make it seem like people westerners are loving Indian because they are Indian. You are nothing to them if you didn't have money. You're buying their effection.

India forcefully control the land but they don't have the people of Kashmir. Without people's support it is called "oppression". Something Gandhi would say.

 

[90MPH]

It's a safe haven for Kashmiri separatists and resistance.

Long may it continue....

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's a safe haven for Kashmiri separatists and resistance.

Long may it continue....

You mean UN sanctioned terrorists.

 

[90MPH]

You mean UN sanctioned terrorists.

Long may Kashmiri resistance continue against the disgusting Indian terrorist army.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Long may Kashmiri resistance continue against the disgusting Indian terrorist army.

UN sanctioned these kashmiris as terrorists?

 

[English August]

Long may Kashmiri resistance continue against the disgusting Indian terrorist army.

You all seem confused about the Indian army. In one thread they're being called terrorists / rapists; in another dozens of Pakistanis are expressing (fake) sympathy for the guy who killed an army officer.

Confused much?

 

[90MPH]

You all seem confused about the Indian army. In one thread they're being called terrorists / rapists; in another dozens of Pakistanis are expressing (fake) sympathy for the guy who killed an army officer.

Confused much?

Yes we are all confused in this forum.

And you my righteous Indian are so straight to the point.

 

[90MPH]

UN sanctioned these kashmiris as terrorists?

All Kashmiris have one thing in common - they want nothing to do with India.

It's something your army stationed there knows very well.

 

[Yossarian]

All permanent members have veto.

Currently yes. And that's why they're resisting the G4 (India, Japan, Germany and Brazil) from being given permanent membership and why for the last 10 years they have been discussing other ways to reform the Security Council, without any agreement thus far. The current veto wielding five refuse to give up their right of veto whilst also refusing to allow any more to have a veto. Proposals for the G4 to have permanent seats, but without the right of veto, is one option under consideration..

 

[90MPH]

Btw the US stat department annually releases a list of organisations who they deem hostile and terrorist in their eyes.

It means nothing and it hardly makes the news but no surprise to see the Indian media making it something big whenever Pakistan is mentioned.

 

[Waseem]

Not hard to understand why US would issue such statements, won't be long before one of their diplomat will appreciate Pakistan's sacrifices to balance things.

 

[PakLFC]

Let alone these terrorists your entire army cannot take J and K.You tried you failed got a walloping so now using terrorist.

We know who the world leaders are courting and is calling a emerging economy and power.

What terrorists? The ones that exist in your mind or the Kashmiris who are giving you a spanking? We took almost half of Kashmir as well as entire Pakistan, remember? We will take the rest as well, you can keep crying about Pakistani terrorism all you want out of frustration. Yeah, and Winston Churchill liberated India. It is a well known fact that M A Jinnah created Pakistan that is even accepted by most Indian historians. I know it hurts you but the facts are for all to see. First deal with your massive poverty and sanitation problems before even being considered a normal country never mind anything else. Gandhi is infamous for many things are well that I will not mention here. Quaid Jinnah has roads named after him in Turkey and statues as well. We are not easily impressed as you you lot are.

 

[Syed1]

Says the country that has been directly responsible for more deaths than any other country since WW2 and their Indian cheerleaders are jumping in joy with their pink pom poms.

 

[PakLFC]

India are simply in a state of denial. Now the Chinese will be "terrorists" as well who are standing right outside looking for a fight. The question is why does every neighbour despise Bharat? However, the Bharati army killing innocent people in IoK and propagating terrorism in Baluchistan and China are innocent like angel's. India has massive fault lines that can be fully exposed by neighbouring countries to the fullest. In her book Barkha Dutt is revealing how Bharat can be hurt to the fullest.