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Caught my eye.

I know Pakistan and India dont see eye to eye - but this? Disgraceful.

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How about the millions of insurgencies in India and the condition of minorities like Dalits? As I often say India does not want a successful Pakistan, absolutely not. I do not at all trust their people who claim to be well wishers of Pakistan. There are hardly any insurgents in Pak at all.
 
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And some opposition supporters, and members on here, thought the Hasan Ali messing around was disgraceful...

Priorities people :))
 
not new..it is usual for indian media to spew venom against pakistan..
 
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Did OP find this news on Indian news paper or NZ ? Not sure how did India get into this.
 
PakLFC said:
How about the millions of insurgencies in India and the condition of minorities like Dalits? As I often say India does not want a successful Pakistan, absolutely not. I do not at all trust their people who claim to be well wishers of Pakistan. There are hardly any insurgents in Pak at all.
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Half knowledge is most dangerous thing ,indeed very dangerous.
 
Looks like a failed attempt to blame Indian media unnecessarily whereas the same article is all over even in Pakistan’s own media.

Or may be OP could have researched a bit rather than being excited.
 
Sherlock said:
And some opposition supporters, and members on here, thought the Hasan Ali messing around was disgraceful...

Priorities people :))
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Isn't there a difference between a national sports player and a random news article?
 
Sachin136 said:
Isn't there a difference between a national sports player and a random news article?
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Especially written by a French syndicate and syndicated around the world. Next thing they will blame India for articles written by AP and Reuters
 
Well no surprises here. Indians obviously(99%) don't want Pakistan to be successful at any thing.Zee news is worst. They are so anti muslim and anti Pakistani. I have watched many times. Zee is pro RSS and BJP.
 
dauntless said:
Well no surprises here. Indians obviously(99%) don't want Pakistan to be successful at any thing.Zee news is worst. They are so anti muslim and anti Pakistani. I have watched many times. Zee is pro RSS and BJP.
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99%? really? i don't think 99% of all Indian can even point out where Pakistan is.. Most Indians won't even know what Pakistan is successful at. They may know Pak was once a very successful cricketing nation..
 
dauntless said:
Well no surprises here. Indians obviously(99%) don't want Pakistan to be successful at any thing.Zee news is worst. They are so anti muslim and anti Pakistani. I have watched many times. Zee is pro RSS and BJP.
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Another example of people who doesn't read the thread and gives reply based upon the title and op only.

Had you gone through the thread, you wouldn't have written this.

As for the thread, it should be deleted in my opinion as the OP itself starts with a wrong assumption.
 
Gubol123 said:
99%? really? i don't think 99% of all Indian can even point out where Pakistan is.. Most Indians won't even know what Pakistan is successful at. They may know Pak was once a very successful cricketing nation..
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So 99% of Indians have short term memory loss issues having forgotten the Oval thrashing in less than an year.
 
silent ischemia said:
So 99% of Indians have short term memory loss issues having forgotten the Oval thrashing in less than an year.
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99% Indians hardly see cricket match or care about it.. IPL has the highest viewership in India and its viewership was somewhere around 300 million.... India is more than 4 times that
 
PakLFC said:
How about the millions of insurgencies in India and the condition of minorities like Dalits? As I often say India does not want a successful Pakistan, absolutely not. I do not at all trust their people who claim to be well wishers of Pakistan. There are hardly any insurgents in Pak at all.
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First of all dalit is not a religion, they can be anybody Hindu or Buddhist, well even Pakistani's don't want a successful Pakistan, coz if that has been the case they wouldn't have supported the terrorist groups against India.
 
Dear [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

Don't ever think that the Indian media does not represent the emotions of Indian people. As an Indian i am ashamed to tell you that our media does indeed represent everything we are as a community and as a nation. Full of hate and bigotry.

I wish things were better.

India is not the same country as it was under Nehru, the one true leader of muslims (and all communities) in India.
 
Bubby said:
First of all dalit is not a religion, they can be anybody Hindu or Buddhist, well even Pakistani's don't want a successful Pakistan, coz if that has been the case they wouldn't have supported the terrorist groups against India.
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I did not say Dalit was a religion at all. Same can be said about India who supports terrorism in Afghanistan and Pakistan. It is well known which is why ISI creates mayhem in India as well, Indian deserves it. Just look at all the trouble in India before pointing the finger at us. Now you are even fighting over Muhammad Ali Jinnah's portrait like 5 your old kids! Grow up!
 
PakLFC said:
I did not say Dalit was a religion at all. Same can be said about India who supports terrorism in Afghanistan and Pakistan. It is well known which is why ISI creates mayhem in India as well, Indian deserves it. Just look at all the trouble in India before pointing the finger at us. Now you are even fighting over Muhammad Ali Jinnah's portrait like 5 your old kids! Grow up!
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If India started pouring money into funding terrorism in Pakistan, you wont know what hit you. India can fund 10 times more than Pakistan in funding these separatist activities.

NDS may be funding anti pak activities but that doesnot make India responsible for it.

IsI has funded terrorism in India since 80s. Wonder what India was doing in 80s to so called deserve it.
 
cricketjoshila said:
If India started pouring money into funding terrorism in Pakistan, you wont know what hit you. India can fund 10 times more than Pakistan in funding these separatist activities.

NDS may be funding anti pak activities but that doesnot make India responsible for it.

IsI has funded terrorism in India since 80s. Wonder what India was doing in 80s to so called deserve it.
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But in IoK you know exactly what is hitting you by the locals with so many of your soldiers and insurgents dying. Pak can accelerate that any time it wants! We can also fund and arm all other insurgencies in India as well especially the Sikh's who are just next door. We have enough evidence to know that India is involved in KPK and Balichistan. It is natural for you to remain in denial. India has been funding trouble in Pak for decades.
 
jaywcric said:
Didn't know AFP is now considered as Indian media on PP.
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Unless we have 'monkeys' sitting on that Indian media site's editorial staff, why would they reproduce the article? The only reason is to discredit Pakistan.

Unfortunately, seem to be the same on some Pakistani sites too.
 
cricketjoshila said:
If India started pouring money into funding terrorism in Pakistan, you wont know what hit you. India can fund 10 times more than Pakistan in funding these separatist activities.

NDS may be funding anti pak activities but that doesnot make India responsible for it.

IsI has funded terrorism in India since 80s. Wonder what India was doing in 80s to so called deserve it.
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Do you actually believe that India does not fund terrorism in Pakistan?
 
Gubol123 said:
99%? really? i don't think 99% of all Indian can even point out where Pakistan is.. Most Indians won't even know what Pakistan is successful at. They may know Pak was once a very successful cricketing nation..
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Talk about yourself only. If 99% the population don't even know where Pakistan is then either they skipped history/geography lessons or they don't know how to use google maps.

I find it funny when people like you spend their time on PakPassion and post things like these.
 
Gubol123 said:
99%? really? i don't think 99% of all Indian can even point out where Pakistan is.. Most Indians won't even know what Pakistan is successful at. They may know Pak was once a very successful cricketing nation..
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Talk about yourself and your general knowledge only. If 99% of the population don't even know where Pakistan is then either they skipped history/geography lessons or they don't know how to use google maps.

I find it funny when people like you spend their time on PakPassion and post things like these.
 
MenInG said:
Do you actually believe that India does not fund terrorism in Pakistan?
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I think he actually might, and what's scary is that there are many others like him that genuinely believe that only Pakistan meddles in India, and India does not meddle in Pakistan. Not sure what such people get from living with their heads buried in sand, I think it's either some sort of pride from feeling self-righteous, or some sort of masochistic pleasure from self-victimization.
 
Don't see the problem tbh. Fairly accurate description, disregarding the obvious Indian mirch masala on top. Pakistan is more than just Central Punjab, Karachi, Islamabad and Peshawar. There's also the fact tgat insurgency describes more than the actions of one terrorist organization, the TTP. Pakistanis present successful operations against TTP as proof that terrorism/insurgency in general are no longer a major issue which is quite the falsehood even by our standards.
 
MenInG said:
Unless we have 'monkeys' sitting on that Indian media site's editorial staff, why would they reproduce the article? The only reason is to discredit Pakistan.

Unfortunately, seem to be the same on some Pakistani sites too.
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If anyone is trying to discredit Pakistan its AFP and not Indian media. AFP is one of the most credible news agencies in the world and news outlets around the world use tgeir syndicated articles. Editing them means copyright issues.
 
MenInG said:
Do you actually believe that India does not fund terrorism in Pakistan?
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India fund Afghan govt and Afghan military. Thats a known fact. Afghans on other hand fund anti Pak activities as Pakistan funds anti Afghan activities.

Now you can blame India for funding Afghan govt including NDS, but many other countries do the same.

Dont think India directly funds any group.
 
I have changed title of this thread to reflect that fact that even Pak news media using this malicious article.
 
DW44 said:
Don't see the problem tbh. Fairly accurate description, disregarding the obvious Indian mirch masala on top. Pakistan is more than just Central Punjab, Karachi, Islamabad and Peshawar. There's also the fact tgat insurgency describes more than the actions of one terrorist organization, the TTP. Pakistanis present successful operations against TTP as proof that terrorism/insurgency in general are no longer a major issue which is quite the falsehood even by our standards.
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Insurgency wracked from a tourist POV would be where whole areas are dangerous due to hostile elements running amok creating a dangerous environment for the general public. I can imagine parts of FATA might be like that - although even that would probably be an exaggeration - but is that the case generally?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Insurgency wracked from a tourist POV would be where whole areas are dangerous due to hostile elements running amok creating a dangerous environment for the general public. I can imagine parts of FATA might be like that - although even that would probably be an exaggeration - but is that the case generally?
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No it isnt insurgency wracked..this is what I'm talking about..the blatant racism and prejudice against Pakistan..it is organised and deliberate and we need to combat it and call it out for what it is..
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Insurgency wracked from a tourist POV would be where whole areas are dangerous due to hostile elements running amok creating a dangerous environment for the general public. I can imagine parts of FATA might be like that - although even that would probably be an exaggeration - but is that the case generally?
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At least half and realistically more than half of Pakistan is insurgency wracked by your own definition. Pretty much all of Balochistan and FATA are off limits. That right there is 42% of Pakistan's landmass which is a no go area for tourists, not just from abroad, but from quite a few parts of Pakistan too. Then you have nationalist/small scale Islamist insurgencies by the hundreds in Sindh and, to a much lesser extent, KPK and South Punjab although they don't pose as much of a threat to those from outside the area, they're not safe by any means so all things considered, one entire province that accounts for almost half your landmass and parts (from small to significant, depending on the province) of other provinces are affected too.

When it's simpler to make a list of places people can go to as opposed to a list of places they can't, it's time to admit there's a problem.
 
Sachin136 said:
Isn't there a difference between a national sports player and a random news article?
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Except this isn't some random news article. Unfortunately this isn't the first time Pakistan has been degraded by their neighbours, nor will it be the last. Also a sportsman larking around [immaturely, yes!] wasn't meant to be a big deal but was made so by the BCCI response. Which should really stay out of it, but really can't.
 
DW44 said:
At least half and realistically more than half of Pakistan is insurgency wracked by your own definition. Pretty much all of Balochistan and FATA are off limits. That right there is 42% of Pakistan's landmass which is a no go area for tourists, not just from abroad, but from quite a few parts of Pakistan too. Then you have nationalist/small scale Islamist insurgencies by the hundreds in Sindh and, to a much lesser extent, KPK and South Punjab although they don't pose as much of a threat to those from outside the area, they're not safe by any means so all things considered, one entire province that accounts for almost half your landmass and parts (from small to significant, depending on the province) of other provinces are affected too.

When it's simpler to make a list of places people can go to as opposed to a list of places they can't, it's time to admit there's a problem.
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Balochistan and FATA aren't where the cricket is played though, even prior to the WOT. There used to be ODIs at Peshawar, and they produced some great atmospheres if the last one I saw there was indicative.

Sometimes cricket has to be moved from areas which are restive to more receptive ones. I'm thinking of when the Pakistan team had to play their games in other venues in India after threats were made to them emanating in some parts of India.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Balochistan and FATA aren't where the cricket is played though, even prior to the WOT. There used to be ODIs at Peshawar, and they produced some great atmospheres if the last one I saw there was indicative.

Sometimes cricket has to be moved from areas which are restive to more receptive ones. I'm thinking of when the Pakistan team had to play their games in other venues in India after threats were made to them emanating in some parts of India.
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why are you indulging him? this is an individual who thinks the police should be sent to man our borders..ignore him..
 
Reuters also mentioned it in their the article online but didn't use the words "insurgency-wracked" country.

Btw, you can easily edit an article [footnote it later] and avoid the specific problem, and still give credit to the source.

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Cpt. Rishwat said:
Balochistan and FATA aren't where the cricket is played though, even prior to the WOT. There used to be ODIs at Peshawar, and they produced some great atmospheres if the last one I saw there was indicative.

Sometimes cricket has to be moved from areas which are restive to more receptive ones. I'm thinking of when the Pakistan team had to play their games in other venues in India after threats were made to them emanating in some parts of India.
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It isn't but they're still part of Pakistan and, at least geographically, a significant one at that so they still contribute to Pakistan's overall image abroad. The Australians or New Zealanders aren't going to take a nuanced approach to the matter and say "oh hey, we can go there because the terrorists only operate in that other town 60km away". They don't know what a Balochistan or a FATA is and neither does most of the rest of the world, nor do they care. When you hear about Pakistan, you hear about Pakistan in general, not specific parts of Pakistan so unless Pakistan can clean up all round, the image problems will persist even if there's a gulf between reality and perception, no matter how insignificant.
 
the Great Khan said:
why are you indulging him? this is an individual who thinks the police should be sent to man our borders..ignore him..
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To clarify for everyone else. When the description insurgency-wracked is used in Indian media, it is to spread a negative perception for propaganda purposes. They do this because they think it will have an impact, therefore it's necessary to set the record straight if it's not true.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
To clarify for everyone else. When the description insurgency-wracked is used in Indian media, it is to spread a negative perception for propaganda purposes. They do this because they think it will have an impact, therefore it's necessary to set the record straight if it's not true.
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TBF - the news source is AFP - what is obvious is that some India media had no issues using this headline as it serves their purpose.
 
MenInG said:
TBF - the news source is AFP - what is obvious is that some India media had no issues using this headline as it serves their purpose.
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What purpose does these headlines serve for Pakistani newspapers ? Because they are using it as well.
 
Kaptan said:
What purpose does these headlines serve for Pakistani newspapers ? Because they are using it as well.
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If you are talking about the Tribune, the same purpose, they are usually share the same perspective as Indian media.
 
I was always told when I was was younger that if you have nothing good to say then don’t say it.

The Indian media machine however is operated in completely the opposite way, especially towards Pakistan.
 
MenInG said:
TBF - the news source is AFP - what is obvious is that some India media had no issues using this headline as it serves their purpose.
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offcourse it does serves their purpose , unfortunately no one will give a second glance for anything positive written these days in general and definitely not about Pakistan .
 
PakLFC said:
But in IoK you know exactly what is hitting you by the locals with so many of your soldiers and insurgents dying. Pak can accelerate that any time it wants! We can also fund and arm all other insurgencies in India as well especially the Sikh's who are just next door. We have enough evidence to know that India is involved in KPK and Balichistan. It is natural for you to remain in denial. India has been funding trouble in Pak for decades.
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Well same can be said about India if it Want to, if you have evidence why don't ur govt show it to the world, it is a known fact that pak has been sponsoring terrorism in India since 80's, the sikh terrorism is a thing of past and half knowledge my friend is more dangerous than no knowledge.
 
jusarrived said:
Shouldnt that be your first concern and point of discussion ?
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Not necessarily, but in any case you may have noticed my first reply in this thread was to a Pakistani poster who agrees with the description so hopefully that meets your criteria.
 
Bubby said:
Well same can be said about India if it Want to, if you have evidence why don't ur govt show it to the world, it is a known fact that pak has been sponsoring terrorism in India since 80's, the sikh terrorism is a thing of past and half knowledge my friend is more dangerous than no knowledge.
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oh dear oh dear..a notehr newbie..ok newbie, i'm going to ask you a question that none of your Indian friends on here has been able to answer..tell me in the last ten years (after Mumbai) can you give me statsticial evidence of the number of terror attacks in india directly sponsored by the ISI..and show your evidence..

Now I can show mine, but can you show yours?

you have been sponsoring terror in Pakistan since the fifties so lets not go there..
 
cricketjoshila said:
India fund Afghan govt and Afghan military. Thats a known fact. Afghans on other hand fund anti Pak activities as Pakistan funds anti Afghan activities.

Now you can blame India for funding Afghan govt including NDS, but many other countries do the same.

Dont think India directly funds any group.
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Sure.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Not necessarily, but in any case you may have noticed my first reply in this thread was to a Pakistani poster who agrees with the description so hopefully that meets your criteria.
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So an International news agency described your country , some Pakistani posters agree , your own media agrees ..but you are complaining that Indians also agree ?
Why suddenly such high expectations from us ?
 
jusarrived said:
So an International news agency described your country , some Pakistani posters agree , your own media agrees ..but you are complaining that Indians also agree ?
Why suddenly such high expectations from us ?
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I don't have high expectations, I haven't really addressed Indians in this thread.
 
MenInG said:
Caught my eye.

I know Pakistan and India dont see eye to eye - but this? Disgraceful.

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PakLFC said:
How about the millions of insurgencies in India and the condition of minorities like Dalits?
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mp812rediff said:
Was not aware that in Nz only Indian news channel are shown for kiwis to form such an opinion
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cricketjoshila said:
Isnt this a syndicated article from AFP which zee news has just published.
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pakistan cricket fan said:
Disgraceful Indian media so this is not surprising.
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Gubol123 said:
This is not Indian article but an AFP article syndicated everywhere. Here it is on pak media

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1701431/7-new-zealand-considering-first-pakistan-tour-since-2003/
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dauntless said:
Well no surprises here. Indians obviously(99%) don't want Pakistan to be successful at any thing.Zee news is worst. They are so anti muslim and anti Pakistani.
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Itachi said:
Another example of people who doesn't read the thread and gives reply based upon the title and op only.
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freelance_cricketer said:
India is not the same country as it was under Nehru, the one true leader of muslims (and all communities) in India.
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Talk about yourself and your general knowledge only. If 99% of the population don't even know where Pakistan is then either they skipped history/geography lessons or they don't know how to use google maps.
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Here we go again. Another absurd thread where we have India being blamed for Pakistan's problems. Reality check: it is not just the Indian media, the fact is that the rest of the world sees Pakistan having serious problems <b>which only Pakistanis can fix!</b>

According to the US State Department travel advisories, Pakistan is a Level 3 country (Reconsider travel), Level 4 being the worst. India also has problems and is a Level 2 country (Exercise increased caution), same as Germany!

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories.html

It is not the Indian media that put Pakistan on the the global money-laundering ‘grey list’, it was FATF.

I already have in another thread presented a sample survey which showed that for the major English national newspapers front pages:
1) The Indian newspapers had much less news about Pakistan than vice-versa.
2) The Indian newspapers had 0% negative articles about Pakistan whereas 56.25% of the Pakistani articles about India were negative. (This is only a sample survey and no doubt sometimes Indian newspapers have negative articles about Pakistan, but the difference is stark.)

One way to ensure you keep failing is to blame others for your problems. <b>You are the only ones who can fix your problems</b>, not going back and changing the colonial history, not your neighbors, not the West...

While Zee News did indeed publish a somewhat negative article about Pakistan (the fact that NZ is thinking about touring is positive), if I spend my time perusing Pakistani media, I will find 100X such articles about India.
 
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Napa said:
While Zee News did indeed publish a somewhat negative article about Pakistan (the fact that NZ is thinking about touring is positive), if I spend my time perusing Pakistani media, I will find 100X such articles about India.
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I think that is the positive that should be taken from the article, NZ considering touring tells a story in itself. The wording insurgency-wracked is unfortunate because it is not accurate. There are problem areas outside of the main metropolis where cricket actually takes place, that doesn't mean the whole country is unstable. Poor choice of words that is all.
 
jusarrived said:
So an International news agency described your country , some Pakistani posters agree , your own media agrees ..but you are complaining that Indians also agree ?
Why suddenly such high expectations from us ?
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A lot of these intl news agencies use Indian journalists and editors to take care of the Pakistani news.
 
Gubol123 said:
99% Indians hardly see cricket match or care about it.. IPL has the highest viewership in India and its viewership was somewhere around 300 million.... India is more than 4 times that
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99 % don't watch cricket? Isn't cricket the most popular sport in India? Also if 99% can't point out a country that they share a border with then I think India needs to invest more in geographical education.
 
Bubby said:
Well same can be said about India if it Want to, if you have evidence why don't ur govt show it to the world, it is a known fact that pak has been sponsoring terrorism in India since 80's, the sikh terrorism is a thing of past and half knowledge my friend is more dangerous than no knowledge.
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Pak sponsoring terrorism is only a fact to you and your pals. Chuck Hagal has made it clear that India does sponsor terrorism in Pak or do you not know? You are right that you have no knowledge at all. Nawaz being buddies with Modi and business interests in India will never speak the truth or expose Indian terrorism.

 
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Pak sponsoring terrorism is only a fact to you and your pals. Chuck Hagal has made it clear that India does sponsor terrorism in Pak or do you not know? You are right that you have no knowledge at all. Nawaz being buddies with Modi and business interests in India will never speak the truth or expose Indian terrorism.

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1. Chuck Hagel said this long before he was secretary of defense.

2. He says, India sponsors trouble for Pakistan on that side of the border". Isnt it well known that India funded the Northern alliance and now funds tye Afghan govt both are in opposition to Pak supported Taliban. Where is terrorism in this?
 
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No sensible Pakistani blames India for all Pakistan's problems. Similarly most Indian's do not so PAK either for all that is happening in your country. You have many serious problems as well with many insurgencies so stop pretending or should I give you links. Now the folk of AMU are shouting "Azaadi" as well. Pak's problems are mostly associated with the war in Afghanistan where India is supporting terrorism activity. There is no doubt about this at all.
 
cricketjoshila said:
1. Chuck Hagel said this long before he was secretary of defense.

2. He says, India sponsors trouble for Pakistan on that side of the border". Isnt it well known that India funded the Northern alliance and now funds tye Afghan govt both are in opposition to Pak supported Taliban. Where is terrorism in this?
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India still sponsors terrorism and Pak knows it. I am afraid it is not necessary for Hagal to confirm it every year. I see, so causing "trouble on that side of the border" is not terrorism to you? Well, the ISI is just causing trouble in India as well. Relax, nothing to worry about!
 
PakLFC said:
India still sponsors terrorism and Pak knows it. I am afraid it is not necessary for Hagal to confirm it every year. I see, so causing "trouble on that side of the border" is not terrorism to you? Well, the ISI is just causing trouble in India as well. Relax, nothing to worry about!
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How is supporting the anti pakistan Afghan govt in Afghanistan and causing trouble for Pakistani supported Taliban in Afghanistan is equal to causing terrorism in Pakistan?

Chuck Hagel saying something isnt the truth. Did he hold a post of significance then to make such claims?
 
DW44 said:
At least half and realistically more than half of Pakistan is insurgency wracked by your own definition. Pretty much all of Balochistan and FATA are off limits. That right there is 42% of Pakistan's landmass which is a no go area for tourists, not just from abroad, but from quite a few parts of Pakistan too. Then you have nationalist/small scale Islamist insurgencies by the hundreds in Sindh and, to a much lesser extent, KPK and South Punjab although they don't pose as much of a threat to those from outside the area, they're not safe by any means so all things considered, one entire province that accounts for almost half your landmass and parts (from small to significant, depending on the province) of other provinces are affected too.

When it's simpler to make a list of places people can go to as opposed to a list of places they can't, it's time to admit there's a problem.
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I was just about to post this. You are quite right.

I don't like it when people state things like "but they won't be travelling to Quetta or Miranshah, so why does it matter?" This is a very negative way of thinking and we shouldn't view our safety situation through the lens of where international cricketers might not be travelling to. Real Pakistanis live in these unsafe places and they should be our priority. The fact that is that our biggest province, Balochistan, is unsafe. I have extended family living there (I am of mixed Baloch and Punjabi ancestry) and the situation is very poor at the moment. I was interested in travelling around the province but was strongly advised not to do so. Just yesterday several Punjabi labourers were killed there.

FATA is completely out of bounds - not just for tourists but for Pakistanis. Large tracts of KPK are volatile. Same goes for interior and even large parts of urban Sindh.

We must accept that unless we take a more holistic and wider approach of Pakistan's safety and work to eliminate the sources of instability, we can only expect phrases like 'insurgency wracked'.
 
Loralai said:
I was just about to post this. You are quite right.

I don't like it when people state things like "but they won't be travelling to Quetta or Miranshah, so why does it matter?" This is a very negative way of thinking and we shouldn't view our safety situation through the lens of where international cricketers might not be travelling to. Real Pakistanis live in these unsafe places and they should be our priority. The fact that is that our biggest province, Balochistan, is unsafe. I have extended family living there (I am of mixed Baloch and Punjabi ancestry) and the situation is very poor at the moment. I was interested in travelling around the province but was strongly advised not to do so. Just yesterday several Punjabi labourers were killed there.

FATA is completely out of bounds - not just for tourists but for Pakistanis. Large tracts of KPK are volatile. Same goes for interior and even large parts of urban Sindh.

We must accept that unless we take a more holistic and wider approach of Pakistan's safety and work to eliminate the sources of instability, we can only expect phrases like 'insurgency wracked'.
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I disagree, I think we must follow the lead of India and with the mantra the show must go on. Did they cancel the tours when Pakistan players were threatened when they were in India? No! They simply moved the games to safer stadiums in less hostile states. We should do the same and declare that we will never let the terrorists win!!!
 
Loralai said:
I was just about to post this. You are quite right.

I don't like it when people state things like "but they won't be travelling to Quetta or Miranshah, so why does it matter?" This is a very negative way of thinking and we shouldn't view our safety situation through the lens of where international cricketers might not be travelling to. Real Pakistanis live in these unsafe places and they should be our priority. The fact that is that our biggest province, Balochistan, is unsafe. I have extended family living there (I am of mixed Baloch and Punjabi ancestry) and the situation is very poor at the moment. I was interested in travelling around the province but was strongly advised not to do so. Just yesterday several Punjabi labourers were killed there.

FATA is completely out of bounds - not just for tourists but for Pakistanis. Large tracts of KPK are volatile. Same goes for interior and even large parts of urban Sindh.

We must accept that unless we take a more holistic and wider approach of Pakistan's safety and work to eliminate the sources of instability, we can only expect phrases like 'insurgency wracked'.
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Would you call India "insurgency wracked" because parts of IOK are no gos for people?
 
MenInG said:
Would you call India "insurgency wracked" because parts of IOK are no gos for people?
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The difference is kashmir particularly south kashmir where this problem lies is a tiny part compared to Indian area where as Fata and balochistan area wise are 50% of ur country
 
Lately I see on social media atleast a lot of Indians take digs at Pakistan/Pakistanis and when some Pakistani comes out and abuses them then hundreds or thousands of Indians come together and start abusing/blasting the entire country..

It seems the next generation Is more of a trollish/get brainwashed by anyone type of generation so hope for peace is literally existent.. One can just accept the reality and move on..

Regarding the topic Having said the above Pakistan’s problems are their own doing.. Pakistan and Pakistanis here blaming Indians on this thread need to realise it’s in their own hands to shut the mouth of every Indian.. Make your country one of the best country in the world and Indians would automatically be shut up.. Both set of people on either side of the border are pretty much taking at the bottom of standard of living compared to developed world but take pleasure in demeaning each other for being worse than they are. I guess it gives people some satisfaction in an otherwise mundane life.
 
MenInG said:
Would you call India "insurgency wracked" because parts of IOK are no gos for people?
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No I wouldn't because Kashmir is a very small part of India overall, whereas Balochistan is our largest province.

I also think a larger proportion of India is more stable than Pakistan. Its not easy to say it but, as Pakistanis, we should put our hand up and accept that we have treated our people unfairly and wrong those rights, rather than comparing with Indian occupation of Kashmir.
 
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