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Pakistan announce 12 man squad for Champions Trophy match against India

Junaid and Wahab both are same in terms of being expensive. Junaid was being smashed by some noobs in the domestic cricket recently.

I hope Shadab makes it to the final 11. Shadab getting Kohli LBW will be absolutely great.
 
Indians have not announced their team yet for tomorrow, I dont understand why Pakistan have already announced it.
 
saeed5646 said:
atleast with juni you have hope wahab is toothless
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You never know as both of them are not to be trusted. Junaid could have been good if it had been a bowlers track, but the wicket is flat as hell. That could be the reason Mickey wants him so that he bowls short of length at 93 mph in the middle overs.

But yea as I said to him it won't change much. In the end you have to perform as a team and really need our bats to score 330 + to have any chance at all.
 
What a terrible roster. Pakistan will play the two slowest openers that bat like its 1980 and help Pakistan put up a mediocre 250 total. If Hafeez is going to be on this squad, might as well have him open along with Fakhar and have Haris Sohail bat at #4.

Wahab over Junaid doesn't make much sense either. I don't understand why Wahab keeps making the team over and over again despite being completely terrible the last year or so. He has a career 74.50 average and 6.08 economy in England. 57.75 average and economy over 6 in the past 12 months (9 matches). Wahab is a scrub at this point.
 
Stop the moaning.

Junaid is a proven choker.

Wahab with his pace might just get a few key wickets.
 
I don't understand the over-reaction . . . they could play whichever combination of the of the 15 available . . OR . . bring whoever from domestic cricket, and it would still take a MIRACLE for Pakistan to win tomorrow . . as Cricinfo's editorial says about tomorrows game . . it will take sooo many pieces to align . .

Its number 3 vs. number 8

and that's the way it needs to be looked at . . . .

Just like we looked at games when we were number 3 and bangladesh/WI were number 8 . . how many of us game the number 8 ranked team a chance (regardless of what combination they played) . . similarly, there's no need for over reaction . . regardless of who plays . . it will take an absolute miracle for Pakistan to win tomorrow . .
 
People are angry at the selection of Wahab over Junaid as junaid would somehow come good like in 2012. keep calm guys both are garbage nothing is going to work if you cannot score 300+...
 
Big mistake - junaid should play , kohli clearly struggles against him, he will get swing, has county experience and was just starting to show form

Their was a reason why Wahab was dropped and replaced by Junaid in the last series, management must have short memories !!!
 
I'm enjoying the worst bowler of Pakistan's fans having a meltdown.

The biggest choker and skill-less bowler getting dropped was comforting yes, but his fans with zero bowling knowledge getting all angry is even more pleasing. :srini
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
 
Hawkeye said:
I'm enjoying the worst bowler of Pakistan's fans having a meltdown.

The biggest choker and skill-less bowler getting dropped was comforting yes, but his fans with zero bowling knowledge getting all angry is even more pleasing. :srini

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
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So let me get this straight. You are a fan of:

Kamraan Akmal
Umar Akmal
Muhammad Hafeez
Muhammad Rizwan
Wahab Riaz


Wonderful list

:salute
 
So much hate for poor wahab over that trundler junaid.Wahab will prove all haters wrong.
 
Hawkeye said:
I'm enjoying the worst bowler of Pakistan's fans having a meltdown.

The biggest choker and skill-less bowler getting dropped was comforting yes, but his fans with zero bowling knowledge getting all angry is even more pleasing. :srini

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
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Sorry we are not experts like you, didn't realise you have more test wickets , county wickets than junaid Khan and you also single handedly destroyed the Indian top order making the greatest batsmen of this generation (kohli) ur bunny ?
 
LegbreakGoogly said:
People are angry at the selection of Wahab over Junaid as junaid would somehow come good like in 2012. keep calm guys both are garbage nothing is going to work if you cannot score 300+...
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This.

If only all Pakistanis were not short sighted. It will all come down to our batting in the end.
 
LegbreakGoogly said:
People are angry at the selection of Wahab over Junaid as junaid would somehow come good like in 2012. keep calm guys both are garbage nothing is going to work if you cannot score 300+...
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When you measure the degree of garbage-ness, Wahab is alot worse than Junaid. Junaid has the numbers and performance in the last couple of series to back it up. Besides Wahab was hurting and hobbling just a couple days ago, who's to say that he won't break down during the match leaving Pakistan seriously handicapped.
 
You never tell the opposition what your team is gonna be a day in advance. Allows them to make strategies
 
I'm also happy that Junaid is out. This guy is pathetic and garbage. Hopefully Wahab is not selected either.
 
Indiafan said:
You never tell the opposition what your team is gonna be a day in advance. Allows them to make strategies
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This 12 isn't set in stone. What if this is a masterstroke by Mickey and all three that are stated to sit out will be part of the side.

:salute
 
Indiafan said:
You never tell the opposition what your team is gonna be a day in advance. Allows them to make strategies
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Mourinho does that regularly for big games

Heck I remember he once even gave the formation and likely subtitles to come on
 
Poison said:
You want to debut a lad in a CT game against India? Yeah I'm happy you or the majority of the clowns in this thread are not picking the side.
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team matters more than a player, Azhar is mental midget in odis who scoring at strike of 80 is a major struggle,

less said about shezhad the better
 
Dr_Green said:
Big mistake - junaid should play , kohli clearly struggles against him, he will get swing, has county experience and was just starting to show form

Their was a reason why Wahab was dropped and replaced by Junaid in the last series, management must have short memories !!!
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On those pitches 4 years ago every batsman struggled and teams were scoring below 150. Kohli faced Junaid last CT without any issues. On flat pitches Junaid will be canon fodder
 
That remain with management to decide whether he is 100% fit or not. Offcours he should only play If he is 100% fit .
 
Indiafan said:
On those pitches 4 years ago every batsman struggled and teams were scoring below 150. Kohli faced Junaid last CT without any issues. On flat pitches Junaid will be canon fodder
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Kohli didn't face a single ball from Junaid in that match. :salute
 
Dr_Green said:
Sorry we are not experts like you, didn't realise you have more test wickets , county wickets than junaid Khan and you also single handedly destroyed the Indian top order making the greatest batsmen of this generation (kohli) ur bunny ?
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Dr saab, don't be fooled by that one spell in his entire cricket career, where it was all due to weather and a one-time fluke.

He is skill-less, cannot move the ball an inch and only runs in to trundle - he's the IDEAL bowler to win matches FOR THE OPPOSITION.
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] - like always, you got the list wrong, but it's understandable as y'all are having a meltdown. :najam

Wahab isn't great, he's just better than your hopping trundler.
 
Fakhar omission is a greater blunder. So its dead confirmed Azhar and Shezzy will open :facepalm:

Flat pitches, doesnt matter which of Junni or Wahab play
 
dauntless said:
So much hate for poor wahab over that trundler junaid.Wahab will prove all haters wrong.
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Wahab never won a odi match for Pakistan. Junaid have plenty. Wahab have no brain. He should Bowl over wicket and in Channel tommorow like sometimes he do in test matches to dry the runs and get edge. Otherwise he Will spray runs left and right
 
Dr_Green said:
Sorry we are not experts like you, didn't realise you have more test wickets , county wickets than junaid Khan and you also single handedly destroyed the Indian top order making the greatest batsmen of this generation (kohli) ur bunny ?
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Bunny? Please.

Dismissing someone a couple of times in difficult batting conditions does not make him your bunny. Younis once dismissed Amla in South Africa in a Test match, does that make Amla a bunny of Younis?

Kohli will destroy Junaid 9 out of 10 times, as will most of the top batsman and that is why he has been a flop at all levels for three years now. He is a trash bowler, a serial match-loser and on top of that, a proper coward. He should not play for Pakistan in any format.
 
With this team how can we chase 280 +. We should have taken chance with Fakhar and Harris. This is brainless selection.
 
It couldn't have been any worse 12 from the given squad, 21 topun ke salami, oh bhai hmara time q zaya krna hai, Wesay points allot kr do India Ko, such a sense less management, only God can help us but He " Don't help those who can't help themselves"
 
Look at Tahir today and tell me why in the world you will play Immad ahead of Shadab?? 👹👹👹

A wicket taking leggy, with excellent googlie is a huge asset in middle overs. Shadab is also quick and gets bounce, spin both ways. He is a no brainer 🙄🙄🤔
 
yasir said:
Look at Tahir today and tell me why in the world you will play Immad ahead of Shadab?? 👹👹👹

A wicket taking leggy, with excellent googlie is a huge asset in middle overs. Shadab is also quick and gets bounce, spin both ways. He is a no brainer 🙄🙄🤔
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Shadab has been poorly utilized by Sarfraz in one days.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
They are both rubbish in all honesty, but Junaid might have one of his form days. Wahab is guaranteed runs for the opposition.
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Junaid's speed is an issue and on seeing warm up's on the same pitch think the management had more faith in Wahab.

The only reasons Junaid might be somewhat better is one has to slow down the pace for the ball to move,but if its going to be flat don't see issue who plays,someone with better pace might do a good job.

Junaid is defn smarter compared to Wahab.
 
JaDed said:
Junaid's speed is an issue and on seeing warm up's on the same pitch think the management had more faith in Wahab.

The only reasons Junaid might be somewhat better is one has to slow down the pace for the ball to move,but if its going to be flat don't see issue who plays,someone with better pace might do a good job.

Junaid is defn smarter compared to Wahab.
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They should drop Wahab and select Fahim
 
from the announced 12 i would drop Wahab and play both Shadab and Fahim
 
srh said:
from the announced 12 i would drop Wahab and play both Shadab and Fahim
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Exactly my thoughts. Wahab is a liability, Fahim can bowl at death and bowl slower ones/cutters also can snack them with the bat, So he should play.

Playing both Shadab and Fahim makes our batting very deep which can give some license to our sluggish top order to score more freely.
 
Hawkeye said:
I'm enjoying the worst bowler of Pakistan's fans having a meltdown.

The biggest choker and skill-less bowler getting dropped was comforting yes, but his fans with zero bowling knowledge getting all angry is even more pleasing. :srini

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
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Junaid is finished. I can't believe he actually made the squad. I don't think Wahab is good either but he is better than Junaid and plus he can bat a bit and is not as poor fielder.

Anyway India is going to thrash us with this batting. They will make 200 like 300. Rain would be the best outcome for Pakistan.
 
No Haris and no Junaid...

This is a rubbish team :facepalm:
 
I'm way more worried about the top order than Wahabs selection. People crying over the wrong things. Should've been Haris and Fakhar in place of shehzad and azhar
 
aliasad1998 said:
I'm way more worried about the top order than Wahabs selection. People crying over the wrong things. Should've been Haris and Fakhar in place of shehzad and azhar
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Azhar won't be dropped, even if PAK lost both practice matches by 300 margin & he matching Sunny's 36* (60 overs). He was protected for CT, by being dropped from WI tour.

Problem with most posters here is that they think Inzi doesn't know modern game, hence his picks are .......... these are kids, underestimated Inzi.
 
MMHS said:
Azhar won't be dropped, even if PAK lost both practice matches by 300 margin & he matching Sunny's 36* (60 overs). He was protected for CT, by being dropped from WI tour.

Problem with most posters here is that they think Inzi doesn't know modern game, hence his picks are .......... these are kids, underestimated Inzi.
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Shame on inzamam for selecting azhar in odi cricket. We are going nowehere with guys like him playing in ODIs
 
Wahab is going to gift them runs, Azhar is going to play about 3 runs per over maybe, no Haris, no Fakhar and no Junaid. Oh god!!
 
aliasad1998 said:
I'm way more worried about the top order than Wahabs selection. People crying over the wrong things. Should've been Haris and Fakhar in place of shehzad and azhar
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I am sure Haris and Fakhar would have been selected if they played few matches but unfortunately none of them have international matches under their belt so management went for the 'safe and experienced' option.
 
Wahab should play. Junaid will get hit BAD on a flat pitch. Plus, Wahab always turns it on during tournaments.

I would drop Fahim, his bowling is just not good enough, he will give up more runs with the ball then he will make with the bat.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
I am sure Haris and Fakhar would have been selected if they played few matches but unfortunately none of them have international matches under their belt so management went for the 'safe and experienced' option.
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They won't have played even hitting 5 hundreds in 5 practice matches - in fact, they won't be given the chance. Young players in PAK team are picked to prove failure - Sarfu, Arthur or Inzi won't be able to answer with straight face why an opener with 50/100 domestic stats was sent at 6 in WI .....

There was a very good chance of Fakhar scoring a big one as opener against us - so, he was dropped from the XI, which protected few players I shouldn't name. Had the match against Aussies gone full distance - Haris would have come at 6/7, when the asking is close to 10 ..............
 
I think the thought process is Junaid and Amir are similar kind of bowlers... Wahab brings something different to Hasan and Amir... makes sense but I hope they don't make fool of themselves, Wahab has the ability to make the captain doubt his strategies
 
Mamoon said:
Bunny? Please.

Dismissing someone a couple of times in difficult batting conditions does not make him your bunny. Younis once dismissed Amla in South Africa in a Test match, does that make Amla a bunny of Younis?

Kohli will destroy Junaid 9 out of 10 times, as will most of the top batsman and that is why he has been a flop at all levels for three years now. He is a trash bowler, a serial match-loser and on top of that, a proper coward. He should not play for Pakistan in any format.
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Poor analogy
 
Our failiure to win against India has also been related to the fact that we have tried to come up with too many 'out of the box' ways to win against India.... because its cooler and there is something to write about which could be dubbed as a 'history changing win'

We tried to play Yasir Shah as our trump card vs India in the last WC game we played against India, and we failed miserably... we played Younis Khan as an opener and that failed too..

now we are banking on Fahim Ashraf and Wahab to be our goto guys, when they were nowhere near the side in the previous series's...

in the t20s, we have tried everything from 4 pacers on Indian/Bangladeshi tracks, to playing Afridi as a pinch hitter against India....

sometimes this cool 'out of the box' plan can backfire shambolically and then you are made to look like an idiot as a management and the whole media is on your back...
 
Poison said:
Lol not sure what all of you want? Fakhar Zaman to be silo'd in for a pressure India Pak game? Haris Sohail who hasn't held a bat for 2 months? The only possible issue is non-playing of Junaid .. the same Junaid who has been cannon fodder everywhere since his return from knee injury.

Just relax.
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Exactly what I was thinking. These armchair experts at PP apparently know more the team management. Out of the available squad, which is quite a mediocre bunch to begin with, these 12 are currently the best options for tomorrow's game. The only debatable decision here is the selection of Wahab over Junaid which I suspect has something to do with the historically quick Edgebaston wicket.
 
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waleed88 said:
Our failiure to win against India has also been related to the fact that we have tried to come up with too many 'out of the box' ways to win against India.... because its cooler and there is something to write about which could be dubbed as a 'history changing win'

We tried to play Yasir Shah as our trump card vs India in the last WC game we played against India, and we failed miserably... we played Younis Khan as an opener and that failed too..

now we are banking on Fahim Ashraf and Wahab to be our goto guys, when they were nowhere near the side in the previous series's...

in the t20s, we have tried everything from 4 pacers on Indian/Bangladeshi tracks, to playing Afridi as a pinch hitter against India....

sometimes this cool 'out of the box' plan can backfire shambolically and then you are made to look like an idiot as a management and the whole media is on your back...
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I don't think any of the incidences you mentioned here are out of box thoughts, rather pure stupidity or nepotism - in one word corruption - incompetent people in wrong position.

One by one I can explain - playing YK isn't an idea, it was pure corruption. Someone should struggle to make B team was forced in playing XI & they found a spot to hide him.

Playing Yasir was pure ignorance of the fact that even Shane Warne struggled against IND. In AUS, on a marble slab, that too in Adelaide with 58 metres squire boundary, if your think tank plays a leggi against India, then you should better check their cash box - not out of box.

Same can be said about the Eden match - the management (across all - coach, captain, selectors ..) that picks 4 pacers in IND - 3 of whom are hit the deck type express bowlers with loose radar don't have any box where they can think.

Out of box thinking is something different, where you adopt a strategy that out smarts your opponents. In 1987 WC SF, IND picked 2 left arm spinners + Srikanth & probably another leggi - ENG came out with an unique strategy to take off-stick guard & sweep everything. Kapil couldn't put more than 2 fielders behind leg umpire & Gooch scored over 75% of his hundred in that zone. I can go on - '89 Negeru cup, Imran measured that he can't get 10 WI wickets - so he bowled Aquib for 10 overs at opening stress & kept his 10 overs for last 20; started bowling from 30th over & gave 47 in 10 overs bowling in that period, when WI had 9 wickets at hand & Haynes/Viv in wicket. You can mention opening with Kaul by Arjuna, opening bowling by Dipak Patel, or the batting strategy by Mac in 2015 WC - but not YK, Yasir or Eden.... there was no box bro, everything air & empty.....
 
Azhar is not an ODI player he csnt score runs fast enough we should of played shehzad and babar and play shadab fahim and junaid.
 
MMHS said:
I don't think any of the incidences you mentioned here are out of box thoughts, rather pure stupidity or nepotism - in one word corruption - incompetent people in wrong position.

One by one I can explain - playing YK isn't an idea, it was pure corruption. Someone should struggle to make B team was forced in playing XI & they found a spot to hide him.

Playing Yasir was pure ignorance of the fact that even Shane Warne struggled against IND. In AUS, on a marble slab, that too in Adelaide with 58 metres squire boundary, if your think tank plays a leggi against India, then you should better check their cash box - not out of box.

Same can be said about the Eden match - the management (across all - coach, captain, selectors ..) that picks 4 pacers in IND - 3 of whom are hit the deck type express bowlers with loose radar don't have any box where they can think.

Out of box thinking is something different, where you adopt a strategy that out smarts your opponents. In 1987 WC SF, IND picked 2 left arm spinners + Srikanth & probably another leggi - ENG came out with an unique strategy to take off-stick guard & sweep everything. Kapil couldn't put more than 2 fielders behind leg umpire & Gooch scored over 75% of his hundred in that zone. I can go on - '89 Negeru cup, Imran measured that he can't get 10 WI wickets - so he bowled Aquib for 10 overs at opening stress & kept his 10 overs for last 20; started bowling from 30th over & gave 47 in 10 overs bowling in that period, when WI had 9 wickets at hand & Haynes/Viv in wicket. You can mention opening with Kaul by Arjuna, opening bowling by Dipak Patel, or the batting strategy by Mac in 2015 WC - but not YK, Yasir or Eden.... there was no box bro, everything air & empty.....
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Exactly my point, if it doesn't come off it looks very stupid... thin air and nepotism like you said...

Afridi trying to hit Pathan out of the attack in 2012 t20 world cup only led to afridi giving his wicket away to Balaji the next over
 
waleed88 said:
Exactly my point, if it doesn't come off it looks very stupid... thin air and nepotism like you said...

Afridi trying to hit Pathan out of the attack in 2012 t20 world cup only led to afridi giving his wicket away to Balaji the next over
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Lala decided to settle his 0 (1) in previous encounter in 2007 Final.
 
Injustice to Junaid.Pakistan will suffer for this.Indians will thrash Wahab all over the stadium.
 
Can't have Faheem ashraf and Wahab as 3rd and 4th seamers. Too risky.
The combination is all wrong now.

This means Shadab has to play for one of them.

Hasan Ali is better as first change, Wahab or Ashraf are definitely not opening bowlers.

Personally would have gone for
Amir and Junaid as opening pair
Hassan Ali as 3rd seamer
Then they could have gone for one of faheem/Wahab/Shadab

Plus imad/malik/hafeez making up 10 overs
 
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Mainul said:
Injustice to Junaid.Pakistan will suffer for this.Indians will thrash Wahab all over the stadium.
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At Oval, in ODI - absolutely no doubt. But, not sure at Edgebaston- if it's a dry day, ball will reverse there.
 
Wahab if he gets it right is actually a much more threatening bowler than Junaid who is a gun barrel straight trundler.
 
Mamoon said:
Bunny? Please.

Dismissing someone a couple of times in difficult batting conditions does not make him your bunny. Younis once dismissed Amla in South Africa in a Test match, does that make Amla a bunny of Younis?

Kohli will destroy Junaid 9 out of 10 times, as will most of the top batsman and that is why he has been a flop at all levels for three years now. He is a trash bowler, a serial match-loser and on top of that, a proper coward. He should not play for Pakistan in any format.
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What is your opinion-

Who will get get more wickets/and give less runs?-1.Junaid Khan 2.Wahab Riaz.
 
MMHS said:
At Oval, in ODI - absolutely no doubt. But, not sure at Edgebaston- if it's a dry day, ball will reverse there.
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Will the ball reverse actually despite two cricket balls being used in ODIS? I have serious doubts.
 
Mainul said:
What is your opinion-

Who will get get more wickets/and give less runs?-1.Junaid Khan 2.Wahab Riaz.
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Wahab is more likely to produce a fluke performance than Junaid.
 
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Shahazad, Haris, Fakhar, I can understand.
Why Wahab over Junaid, I am unable to comprehend that.
 
waleed88 said:
Poor analogy
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Dismissing a player twice in a series does not make you his bunny. A batsman becomes a bowler's bunny if he gets out to him across various series in different conditions.

Classic examples of bunnies are: Mudassar Nazar (Kapil), Hafeez (Steyn), Masood (Anderson), Tendulkar (Anderson), de Villiers (Afridi) etc. to name a few.
 
Mamoon said:
Dismissing a player twice in a series does not make you his bunny. A batsman becomes a bowler's bunny if he gets out to him across various series in different conditions.

Classic examples of bunnies are: Mudassar Nazar (Kapil), Hafeez (Steyn), Masood (Anderson), Tendulkar (Anderson), de Villiers (Afridi) etc. to name a few.
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Agreed, but considering how the series was only 3 matches long and also the fact that Kohli struggled to even properly defend deliveries from Junaid...it was as close one gets to being a bunny as possible, in such a short series!
 
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