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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CCC on Kashmir situation at GHQ. Forum fully supported Government’s rejection of Indian actions regarding Kashmir. Pakistan never recognised the sham Indian efforts to legalise its occupation of Jammu & Kashmir through article 370 or 35-A decades ago; ...(1of2). <a href="https://t.co/MlwNJTSDGa">pic.twitter.com/MlwNJTSDGa</a></p>— DG ISPR (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1158673410366615552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">(continued)<br>....efforts which have now been revoked by India itself.<br>“Pakistan Army firmly stands by the Kashmiris in their just struggle to the very end. We are prepared and shall go to any extent to fulfil our obligations in this regard”, COAS affirmed.(2of2). <a href="https://t.co/tkbnGbGs0A">pic.twitter.com/tkbnGbGs0A</a></p>— DG ISPR (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1158673431887585280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
What have you done in last 70 years other than to create a mayem and bloodshed in the region. India wants Kashmir to grow and prosper.
 
What have you done in last 70 years other than to create a mayem and bloodshed in the region. India wants Kashmir to grow and prosper.

”India wants Kashmir to grow and prosper” in the same way that the British only colonized India so they could ”civilize the Indians”.

India and Pakistan wants Kashmir, not Kashmiris.
 
”India wants Kashmir to grow and prosper” in the same way that the British only colonized India so they could ”civilize the Indians”.

India and Pakistan wants Kashmir, not Kashmiris.

Yeah but we actually have an incentive to make sure kashmir can make its own money, its costs us less, Pak's best interest would be to cause as much problem for kashmiris as possible. Also the civilise the natives thing was for americas not india, here they came as traders and then the whole subcontinent collectively screwed up, if you are going to give examples , give correct ones.
 
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Yeah but we actually have an incentive to make sure kashmir can make its own money, its costs us less, Pak's best interest would be to cause as much problem for kashmiris as possible. Also the civilise the natives thing was for americas not india, here they came as traders and then the whole subcontinent collectively screwed up, if you are going to give examples , give correct ones.

I am giving correct examples. I suggest you read more on Oriental despotism in the British Raj and how the Britons thought they had the responsibility to "teach the Indians the ideals of liberty, justice and modernity". If you're going to make a counter-argument, at least read more about the history of your own nation.
 
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”India wants Kashmir to grow and prosper” in the same way that the British only colonized India so they could ”civilize the Indians”.

India and Pakistan wants Kashmir, not Kashmiris.

That is nonsense, India wants peace in the region,India wants Kashmir to grow and prosper.

India is not Pakistan who since their inception have been living on somebody else giving them money to survive and function as nation.First save pakistan from becoming a failed state then worry about other things.
 
Yeah but we actually have an incentive to make sure kashmir can make its own money, its costs us less, Pak's best interest would be to cause as much problem for kashmiris as possible. Also the civilise the natives thing was for americas not india, here they came as traders and then the whole subcontinent collectively screwed up, if you are going to give examples , give correct ones.


How can you look yourself in the mirror and still have any self respect?

The world knows how Indian forces have abused Kashmiri's with murder, violence and rape aver the last few decades and you talk about Pakistan only motive is to cause them problems, what an absolute waste of time and effort your parents did conceiving a troll like you.
 
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That is nonsense, India wants peace in the region,India wants Kashmir to grow and prosper.

India is not Pakistan who since their inception have been living on somebody else giving them money to survive and function as nation.First save pakistan from becoming a failed state then worry about other things.

Yes peace and growth by murder, rape and extinction, welcome to nazi india
 
Yes peace and growth by murder, rape and extinction, welcome to nazi india

For greater good , few insurgents have to be quashed.Especdially those have been brainwashed that Pakistan is good for them.If Pakistan is honest Pakistan has not been good for themselves what good will they be for other people.
 
How can you look yourself in the mirror and still have any self respect?

The world knows how Indian forces have abused Kashmiri's with murder, violence and rape aver the last few decades and you talk about Pakistan only motive is to cause them problems, what an absolute waste of time and effort your parents did conceiving a troll like you.

You mean like Pakistan army raped and murdered with total abandon in East Pakistan, and as documented in Government of Pakistan's own 1971 war commission report (the Hamadur Rahman report)?
 
We all know what Bangladesh would have been if it was still East Pakistan.Paksitan needs to understand first concentrate on your economy and reduce blood thirst among Army and let the region be in peace for a change.
 
How can you look yourself in the mirror and still have any self respect?

The world knows how Indian forces have abused Kashmiri's with murder, violence and rape aver the last few decades and you talk about Pakistan only motive is to cause them problems, what an absolute waste of time and effort your parents did conceiving a troll like you.
It's quite easy actually, you see our army did not lose 3 wars they started and then ended up killing and murdering civilians trying to incite insurgency in another country because they weren't good enough to hack it in a straight war.


And if you want to talk about violence, just look at the history and ask yourself why there is a bangladesh instead of east pakistan.
 
I am giving correct examples. I suggest you read more on Oriental despotism in the British Raj and how the Britons thought they had the responsibility to "teach the Indians the ideals of liberty, justice and modernity". If you're going to make a counter-argument, at least read more about the history of your own nation.

What you are talking about in the reasoning they gave trying to legitimise their colonization after it had happened, the colonisation happened because we as a people really screwed up badly. The whole civilise the natives is the story of european colonisation of americas and africa.
 
”We are prepared and shall go to any extent to fulfil our obligations in this regard”

Meanwhile in the real world......
 
Nothing's going to happen, neither side wants war, Modi's on a sticky wicket economically and Pakistan especially can't afford one right now.

No army has to response. Else they go out of 70 year old business.

Babaji on tweeter says we are waiting for them to make the first move.
 
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Things would have been easier if we had sent our Kulbhushans in India so that they could establish networks that facilitate homegrown Indian separatists groups to cause mayhem. But for that we need our very own Doval, Hamid Gul and co are being missed, we are waiting.
 
Islamabad was busy today all day, some news are coming.
Now we can say, Goodluck to India in IOK. only the time will tell . :)
 
”India wants Kashmir to grow and prosper” in the same way that the British only colonized India so they could ”civilize the Indians”.

India and Pakistan wants Kashmir, not Kashmiris.

Really? Do you understand the concept of democracy, where people choose the government leaders? You think the British gave Indians that right? They didn't, and that is why there were multiple major famines in British India but no such famines after Indians got the right to vote.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_major_famines_in_India_during_British_rule
 
Not proper war. Guerilla tactics.

It will be nothing new. They have been doing it for about 30 years now. It ebbs and flows.

Also, if they get caught, they will remain on the FATF grey list or even get promoted to the black list. I think China is reluctant to support Muslim insurrections given it troubles with the Uyghurs. So Pakistan cannot always rely on them bailing it out at FATF.

My best guess is that other than a few symbolic actions, nothing significant will happen. Also, I don't think non-Kashmiri Indians will be rushing to buy property in Kashmir.

Ladakh with its Shia Muslims may prove more tractable and Ladakh may experience a tourism boom. I doubt Shia Muslims are fond of Pakistan given the regular attacks on them there.
 
It will be nothing new. They have been doing it for about 30 years now. It ebbs and flows.

Also, if they get caught, they will remain on the FATF grey list or even get promoted to the black list. I think China is reluctant to support Muslim insurrections given it troubles with the Uyghurs. So Pakistan cannot always rely on them bailing it out at FATF.

My best guess is that other than a few symbolic actions, nothing significant will happen. Also, I don't think non-Kashmiri Indians will be rushing to buy property in Kashmir.

Ladakh with its Shia Muslims may prove more tractable and Ladakh may experience a tourism boom. I doubt Shia Muslims are fond of Pakistan given the regular attacks on them there.

Sonny jim, if pakistan was doing this for 30 years dont you think India would be like syria, its common sense, according to indian fairytales in 2008 a few school boys got on a boat and crossed the most surveillanced sea in the world and took control of your biggest city and hotel till the next day when your army was sleeping and dreaming about kashmir.

Now lets say all your fairytales are true, why isnt it that Pakistan is doing these things everyday in India, when its so easy and they have the man power to fill india with them, wake up and smell the coffee and get your nation too aswell.


As for FATF what are they going to do? it will be Trumps wet dream if he can get pakistan to divert every militant from Afgan to Kashmir. So who is going to catch them?
 
Sonny jim, if pakistan was doing this for 30 years dont you think India would be like syria, its common sense, according to indian fairytales in 2008 a few school boys got on a boat and crossed the most surveillanced sea in the world and took control of your biggest city and hotel till the next day when your army was sleeping and dreaming about kashmir.

Now lets say all your fairytales are true, why isnt it that Pakistan is doing these things everyday in India, when its so easy and they have the man power to fill india with them, wake up and smell the coffee and get your nation too aswell.


As for FATF what are they going to do? it will be Trumps wet dream if he can get pakistan to divert every militant from Afgan to Kashmir. So who is going to catch them?

I'll tell you why.

It's because they hear the lies so often, they are now convinced.
 
Things would have been easier if we had sent our Kulbhushans in India so that they could establish networks that facilitate homegrown Indian separatists groups to cause mayhem. But for that we need our very own Doval, Hamid Gul and co are being missed, we are waiting.

Hamid Gul was a lose canon and a hot head not a real war tactician or strategists, we have many greater and better ones then him today.

Just look at the stupidy of indians, there statements prove pakistan is capable of guerilla warfare the likes never seen before but they only do single attacks in india once a decade, :)))

Modis timing for this could not be any worse, because pak has only two options, diplomacy or guerila warfare and they can do both, but in terms of timing, US is now going to leave afgan or atleast strike a peace deal with taliban till they leave, where are the militants going after that?
 
Sonny jim, if pakistan was doing this for 30 years dont you think India would be like syria, its common sense, according to indian fairytales in 2008 a few school boys got on a boat and crossed the most surveillanced sea in the world and took control of your biggest city and hotel till the next day when your army was sleeping and dreaming about kashmir.

Now lets say all your fairytales are true, why isnt it that Pakistan is doing these things everyday in India, when its so easy and they have the man power to fill india with them, wake up and smell the coffee and get your nation too aswell.


As for FATF what are they going to do? it will be Trumps wet dream if he can get pakistan to divert every militant from Afgan to Kashmir. So who is going to catch them?

So pakistan govt lied when they accepted that 2008 attackers where pakistanis?

Was pakistani president lying when he said that Pakistan supports terrorist groups in kashmir?

Why pakistan isnt doing it everyday? It doesnot have the means to do so. Thats why.

FATF will make sure that pakistan remains in penury.
 
Indians are showing their true colors. All this Aman ki asha drama is totally exposed. Let’s wait and watch how this move pays out. It’s still the beginning
 
Indians are showing their true colors. All this Aman ki asha drama is totally exposed. Let’s wait and watch how this move pays out. It’s still the beginning

I'm just thankful to Jinnah and co for seeing through their venomous facade.

So their is this old Pakistani guy I knew, some years ago he tried to explain deceptive Hindu mentality to me and I simply thought of him as a burnt out person, but boy o boy was I wrong.

If given chance these snakes may surpass Nazis.
 
Hamid Gul was a lose canon and a hot head not a real war tactician or strategists, we have many greater and better ones then him today.

Just look at the stupidy of indians, there statements prove pakistan is capable of guerilla warfare the likes never seen before but they only do single attacks in india once a decade, :)))

Modis timing for this could not be any worse, because pak has only two options, diplomacy or guerila warfare and they can do both, but in terms of timing, US is now going to leave afgan or atleast strike a peace deal with taliban till they leave, where are the militants going after that?

What militants? Taliban is staying in Afghanistan and the rest will live in FATA where they are already passing Sharia laws. No one believes that Pakistan can corner India diplomatically. As far as guerilla warfare is concerned India will send the majority of them to jannat and keep the rest to keep the PR machine going. There is no Kashmir narrative for India without a few cross border terrorists stopping the "progress" in the valley.
 
So pakistan govt lied when they accepted that 2008 attackers where pakistanis?

Was pakistani president lying when he said that Pakistan supports terrorist groups in kashmir?

Why pakistan isnt doing it everyday? It doesnot have the means to do so. Thats why.

FATF will make sure that pakistan remains in penury.

Radicalized Extremists Hindu/hindutva will never have hegemony in the region. Never have and never will.

No matter how big your $ bills get.

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I'm just thankful to Jinnah and co for seeing through their venomous facade.

So their is this old Pakistani guy I knew, some years ago he tried to explain deceptive Hindu mentality to me and I simply thought of him as a burnt out person, but boy o boy was I wrong.

If given chance these snakes may surpass Nazis.

Lol so you met an old bigot who told about "Hindu Mentality" which is same across a billion people around the world and how you see the light now and he was correct, anything else you want to add to "Hindu" mentality.
Just letting you know around 1-2% of Pakistani population is Hindus..
 
So pakistan govt lied when they accepted that 2008 attackers where pakistanis?

Was pakistani president lying when he said that Pakistan supports terrorist groups in kashmir?

Why pakistan isnt doing it everyday? It doesnot have the means to do so. Thats why.

FATF will make sure that pakistan remains in penury.

Because your post is full of delusional statements im going to turn to the topic and what you said above, so you basically admit yourself (which you obviously will backtrack with some other absurd nonsense now because you have no answer) that school kids can walk straight into india and conduct some of the worlds biggest terror acts with simple weapons without any problem. yes its so easy but they have no means to do it al the time, do you ever make sense? explains the rest of your nonsene.

as for FATF its just your desperation, which will stay that way.


You actually bothered to reply to that absurd post?

Nope, he was just as blank as you so filled his reply up with nonsense delusions.
 
Eventually e will go to war over this. Once it starts there will be no end too it so enjoy this calm before the storm.
 
Lol so you met an old bigot who told about "Hindu Mentality" which is same across a billion people around the world and how you see the light now and he was correct, anything else you want to add to "Hindu" mentality.
Just letting you know around 1-2% of Pakistani population is Hindus..

Actions speak louder than words.

It doesn't matter what I believe. Y'all are non-stop boasting "world's bigggesstt democracy"; and now they just Nazi'd whole J&K.

Of course he was correct. Go ask people living inside J&K who can't even call someone to tell whether they are dead or still oppressed.
 
And if you want to talk about violence, just look at the history and ask yourself why there is a bangladesh instead of east pakistan.

You mean like Pakistan army raped and murdered with total abandon in East Pakistan, and as documented in Government of Pakistan's own 1971 war commission report (the Hamadur Rahman report)?

This i what i mean, you trolls never disappoint for a few laughs when trying to defend yourselves, very badly be it.

By your own illogical narrow mindset which is turning out to be national Indian epidemic of late it seems your only go to justification in this Kashmir issue is West Pakistans treatment of East Pakistan during a war nearly 50 years ago when both regions where in their infancy.

Do Indian that come out in defense realize how uncivilized it makes you look as a nation using historical events of another nation for justification of your own human rights violations in the current day? you really have no leg to stand on here, are all Indians really that weak minded and living in the past?

By your same twisted logic, you should stop dealing with the British because they butchered India during the British Raj and sent your people as slaves all over the world? Hey why not join forces with your Israeli bum chums and attack the german's for the holocaust while your at it?

Fact is the Indian government wants it's own little Gaza, just wish they had the balls to admit it to their weak minded hate filled public who have no option but to blindly defend the narrative using even weaker justifications.
 
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By your same twisted logic, you should stop dealing with the British because they butchered India during the British Raj and sent your people as slaves all over the world? Hey why not join forces with your Israeli bum chums and attack the german's for the holocaust while your at it?



You talk as if you were not part of India when the British ruled. You people were given even harsher treatment by the British. Then why don't you stop dealing with them first and stop running off to Birmingham for a better life.
 
You talk as if you were not part of India when the British ruled. You people were given even harsher treatment by the British. Then why don't you stop dealing with them first and stop running off to Birmingham for a better life.

If your going to respond, do it with some dignity instead of the same old poor attempt to avoid answering a genuine question, so you are agreeing or not that it's ok to use the East Pakistan example from the 1970's as justification for your governments human rights violation in 2019?

even a yes or no will be sufficient
 
Poeple who keep harping about human rights violations need to understand nobody is perfect.This govt is trying create peace, harmony and justice for all.It will take time and it may/will get worse as there will be some people who want to use this opportunity for their own good.

You cannot expect people who have been brainwashed over decades to understand this logic.
 
Poeple who keep harping about human rights violations need to understand nobody is perfect.This govt is trying create peace, harmony and justice for all.It will take time and it may/will get worse as there will be some people who want to use this opportunity for their own good.

You cannot expect people who have been brainwashed over decades to understand this logic.

lol, irony just died here.
 
Poeple who keep harping about human rights violations need to understand nobody is perfect.This govt is trying create peace, harmony and justice for all.It will take time and it may/will get worse as there will be some people who want to use this opportunity for their own good.

You cannot expect people who have been brainwashed over decades to understand this logic.

The problem with your reasoning is that you see things from an Indian point of view without taking into account the wishes of the Kashmiris.

But hey, one can not expect people who get their information on Whatsapp and Republic TV to understand this.
 
The problem with your reasoning is that you see things from an Indian point of view without taking into account the wishes of the Kashmiris.

But hey, one can not expect people who get their information on Whatsapp and Republic TV to understand this.

Wishes of Kashmiris cannot be granted if they want a seperate nation.That is a creation of some leaders who have incited and fueled this for decades.Will Pakistan govt give in demands for a seperate nation to Punjab, Sind or any other province.

Kashmir was part of India in 1947 will remain part of it.If some people don't like they have to deal with it.
 
Wishes of Kashmiris cannot be granted if they want a seperate nation.That is a creation of some leaders who have incited and fueled this for decades.Will Pakistan govt give in demands for a seperate nation to Punjab, Sind or any other province.

Kashmir was part of India in 1947 will remain part of it.If some people don't like they have to deal with it.

Weak and expected argument.

Neither Punjab nor Sindh is asking for independence.

Kashmir is
 
Texans and Californians want to have their own countries too. Not gonna happen. The bottom line is the party with the power rules the roost. Look at trump and all the stuff he is pulling off in the US. Nobody can do anything about it. Even China is rattled with the barrage of stuff he keeps throwing out there. In the case of India, the Congress is toast. And the BJP is going to run India the way think is right. Modi is pretty close to xi jinping - emperor for life
 
Weak and expected argument.

Neither Punjab nor Sindh is asking for independence.

Kashmir is

No it is not,There was a civil war in Amercia in 1860 for this very same reason.Few selfish people put their interests above everyone else and create these things.

Kashmir is not first place to ask for this nor it will be last.Seperate nation for Kashmir is not an option.

Uniting Kashmiris with rest of India is what is needed at this hour.Whole India is with them.Some misled people need to realize that fact.They will sooner or later and Kashmir will become Jannat again.
 
Weak and expected argument.

Neither Punjab nor Sindh is asking for independence.

Kashmir is

East Pakistan did ask for independence in 1971. What did you do? You launched Operation Searchlight. The rest is history.

“Kill 3 million of them, the rest will eat out of our hands” .... I guess you remember who said that about people in East Pakistan.
 
No it is not,There was a civil war in Amercia in 1860 for this very same reason.Few selfish people put their interests above everyone else and create these things.

Kashmir is not first place to ask for this nor it will be last.Seperate nation for Kashmir is not an option.

Uniting Kashmiris with rest of India is what is needed at this hour.Whole India is with them.Some misled people need to realize that fact.They will sooner or later and Kashmir will become Jannat again.

US civil war was not based on religion.
 
East Pakistan did ask for independence in 1971. What did you do? You launched Operation Searchlight. The rest is history.

“Kill 3 million of them, the rest will eat out of our hands” .... I guess you remember who said that about people in East Pakistan.

So you haven't learnt any lesson from history?

Great.
 
US civil war was not based on religion.

This is also not based on religion.Pakistan wants it to be based on religion, India wants peace in the region.


There are more muslims residing in other parts India than they are in Kashmir
 
That’s not the point. The point is people who murdered millions of East Pakistanis now shedding crocodile tears for Kashmiris.

Croccodile tears?

People of Pakistan genuinely care about the people of Kashmir.
 
All that after butchering millions of fellow countrymen back in 1971 because they wanted independence?

People change.

None of us was part of that butchering.

So why is India has butchered, rape and kill kids and older indiscriminately in Indian occupying Kashmir?
 
Indians even claim victory in 48 when an invading army captured part of their land and holds it to this day. Also they claim to be victorious in 65, first time I've heard an army that was beaten to a pulp and forced to retreat was victorious :yk



Thank God for the internet and social media otherwise they would even have claimed victory this past Feb, they even tried to pass off fake news of a F-16 being shot down by a 1950s jet with all of its missiles still intact :yk:yk:yk



Never underestimate the ignorance of the hindutva rats.
 
Indians even claim victory in 48 when an invading army captured part of their land and holds it to this day. Also they claim to be victorious in 65, first time I've heard an army that was beaten to a pulp and forced to retreat was victorious :yk



Thank God for the internet and social media otherwise they would even have claimed victory this past Feb, they even tried to pass off fake news of a F-16 being shot down by a 1950s jet with all of its missiles still intact :yk:yk:yk



Never underestimate the ignorance of the hindutva rats.

Lol. :vk2

Okay let me put you back in your place.

In 1948 , kashmir was not India's land. It was an independent princely state along with Junagadh and Hyderabad. When the tribal militias attacked the land and almost came close to Sri nagar, Hari Singh acceded Kashmir to India. Pakistani army then joined the war and India threw them back to Azad Kashmir. Though officially , it ended as a stalemate , if was a big win for India as 2/3rds of the land which they had no control over ended up with them and is still with them.

And don't even get me started on 1965. :msd

Pakistan came for Kashmir but ended up defending Lahore and they celebrate it as a Win. I mean , this is a meme long before memes were a trend. :yk


And yes, we too thank god for that photograph someone took in 1971 , where
Gen.Niazi was signing that world record surrender. Or else Padosi brothers would have claimed victory in that war as well and would have justified giving up East Pakistan because they have "big hearts". :afridi
 
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Let’s see how India responds to attacks by Freedom fighters within IOK going forward.

As IOK has now been intergrated, Will India withdraw its army and control law and order via police force? Will it continue to rely on the army to maintain law and order?

Won’t that send a message that IOK is not part of mainland India like the rest of the union territories?
 
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That’s not the point. The point is people who murdered millions of East Pakistanis now shedding crocodile tears for Kashmiris.

It's shows maturity and courage of a nation to admit what happend 50 years ago was very wrong, just about every Pakistani teaches their children the same, that it was wrong!

Fast forward 50 year now and we have Indian forum trolls trying to use the "but but but look what you did back in 1970's" as some form of justification like that makes it all ok now, what a bunch of pathetic morons.
 

Pakistan should forget Kashmir' says Munir Saami in Bilatakalluf with Tahir ****
 
Let’s see how India responds to attacks by Freedom fighters within IOK going forward.

As IOK has now been intergrated, Will India withdraw its army and control law and order via police force? Will it continue to rely on the army to maintain law and order?

Won’t that send a message that IOK is not part of mainland India like the rest of the union territories?

No. They'll continue blocking communications and preventing entry to journalist.
 
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