Pakistan bans five dating apps, including Tinder, over 'immoral, indecent' content

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has effectively banned almost half a dozen dating applications, including Tinder and Grindr, over what it termed was "immoral" and "indecent" content.

In a press release issued Tuesday, the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) said it "has blocked access to five dating/live streaming applications i.e. Tinder, Tagged, Skout, Grindr and SayHi".

The state-run regulatory body said it decided to ban the apps as their management failed to respond in time to the notices it had sent to remove dating services and moderate the content in line with Pakistani laws.

"In view of negative effects of immoral/indecent content streaming through above applications, PTA issued notices to the management of above mentioned platforms for the purpose of removing dating services & moderate live streaming content in accordance with local laws of Pakistan," the PTA said on Twitter.

It did add, however, that it may "reconsider blocking" of the five dating apps if their management vowed to follow Pakistani laws.

"PTA can, however, reconsider blocking of the said applications provided management of the companies assures adherence to the local laws with respect to moderating the indecent/immoral content through meaningful engagement," it added but did not specify what it meant by that engagement.

'Completely ridiculous move'
Reacting to the news, Shahzad Ahmad, the director of digital rights group Bytes For All, slammed the PTA's "moral policing".

"If adults choose to be on an app, it is not for the state to dictate whether they should use it or not," Ahmad told AFP. He described the ban as "a completely ridiculous move" that people would find ways to circumvent.

The regulatory body has been on a banning and blocking spree of late, demanding YouTube remove a variety of content, including "indecent" material and "hate speech" late last month.

'Prevent repugnant discord'
It had asked the video-sharing platform "to immediately block vulgar, indecent, immoral, nude and hate speech content for viewing in Pakistan", saying its decision was based on "the extremely negative effects" of such content as well as "to prevent repugnant discord" that allegedly follows.

Read more: PTA demands YouTube remove 'indecent' content, hate speech

It had further demanded the Google-owned service ensure that "objectionable content" was immediately blocked and an "effective content monitoring and moderation mechanism" put in place.

That demand was criticised by rights campaigners who fear creeping censorship and control of Pakistan's internet and printed media.

'Largest volume of removed videos'
Moreover, TikTok, too, had been issued a warning and Bigo blocked by the PTA back in July over complaints of "immoral, obscene and vulgar content" and "extremely negative effects" from the apps. It was asked to moderate content "within legal and moral limits" and in line with Pakistani laws.

Also read: TikTok takes steps to address concerns of Pakistani authorities

TikTok was eventually let off the hook after representatives of the ByteDance-owned app met PTA officials on August 6. The short-form video-sharing app also updated its community guidelines to make them available in Urdu for its fans in Pakistan.

The app had pointed out that Pakistan, as per its latest transparency report, was "one of the top 5 markets with the largest volume of removed videos on TikTok for violating community guidelines or terms of service".

PUBG 'destroying youth'
"This demonstrates TikTok’s commitment to remove any potentially harmful or inappropriate content reported in Pakistan," it had said.

Prior to that, there was controversy surrounding PlayerUnknown’s Battlegrounds (PUBG), an online battle game that was banned by the PTA for being "addictive" and detrimental to players' health, as well as reports claiming "cases of suicide attributed" to it.

Related: Pakistan lifts bans on PUBG, Bigo after PTA meets companies' representatives

The game is "destroying youth" and "has a negative impact on physical and psychological health”, the PTA had said in an 11-page report.

PUBG, too, was eventually resumed after the state-run regulatory body held meetings with its representatives and the Islamabad High Court (IHC) ordered the government lift the ban — a decision joyously welcomed by the Pakistani gaming community.

Ensure dramas in line with Pakistani values
In a recent but similar development, the Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority (PEMRA), another state-run body, ordered private channels to review drama scripts and ensure they were in line with Pakistani values.

PEMRA Chairperson Muhammad Saleem Baig had directed for strict action to be taken in line with the law against immoral content and Indian channels, while reiterating the authority's commitment to bringing the themes in Pakistani dramas in line with the country's social, religious, cultural, and moral values.

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[sweep_shot]

Good move.

Tinder is a disgusting app.

 

[JaDed]

[MENTION=107753]uberkoen[/MENTION] After seeing Connected I don't see any issues banning Tinder

 

[JaDed]

Good move.

Tinder is a disgusting app.

What was disgusting about it?

 

[topspin]

What was disgusting about it?

Nothing wrong with Tinder if people want to use it.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Grindr was becoming immensely popular in Pakistan. Has there been a backlash yet. Guys please update.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

What was disgusting about it?

Dating is not allowed in Islam I suppose. Makes sense because Pakistan is an Islamic republic.

 

[sweep_shot]

What was disgusting about it?

What's not disgusting about it?

Do you not know why people use Tinder?

I call it a prostitution app.

 

[CricketCartoons]

What's not disgusting about it?

Do you not know why people use Tinder?

I call it a prostitution app.

Any law regarding banning alcohol or debauchery, the people who have problem are the "liberals". Their liberalism is a cover to hide their indecent ways.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Any law regarding banning alcohol or debauchery, the people who have problem are the "liberals". Their liberalism is a cover to hide their indecent ways.

It should be banned for under aged kids. Why ban it for mature consenting adults? I can understand why it is banned in Pak though.

 

[JaDed]

What's not disgusting about it?

Do you not know why people use Tinder?

I call it a prostitution app.

I would rather watch Vinay Kumar bowling than using that irresponsible app.

Ok boss, also I see you tried to be funny making anedit but please don't forget you are from BD and not Pak to make fun of Vinay Kumar... you have enough BD bowlers that can be made fun of, although my assumption is PCT is your team and not BDCT.

 

[JaDed]

Dating is not allowed in Islam I suppose. Makes sense because Pakistan is an Islamic republic.

There are Muslim dating apps in US..

 

[sweep_shot]

Any law regarding banning alcohol or debauchery, the people who have problem are the "liberals". Their liberalism is a cover to hide their indecent ways.

That's right.

Indecency shouldn't be confused with progress.

 

[Varun]

What's not disgusting about it?

Do you not know why people use Tinder?

I call it a prostitution app.

And if you don't like one app or the other, just don't use it. End of.

 

[CricketCartoons]

It should be banned for under aged kids. Why ban it for mature consenting adults? I can understand why it is banned in Pak though.

I can also understand why indian liberals rush in to pontificate on pakistani matters.

 

[JaDed]

Any law regarding banning alcohol or debauchery, the people who have problem are the "liberals". Their liberalism is a cover to hide their indecent ways.

What is your issue with Tinder?

 

[sweep_shot]

Ok boss, also I see you tried to be funny making anedit but please don't forget you are from BD and not Pak to make fun of Vinay Kumar... you have enough BD bowlers that can be made fun of, although my assumption is PCT is your team and not BDCT.

Please. You perennial minnows got destroyed by Stuart Binny once - don't forget.

And if you don't like one app or the other, just don't use it. End of.

Typical Indian deflections. Carry on.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

There are Muslim dating apps in US..

May be people marry and then date

 

[JaDed]

Typical Indian deflections. Carry on.

Typical Indian deflection? you mentioned Vinay kumar in a thread about Tinder ban.

 

[Varun]

Typical Indian deflections. Carry on.

If you were any good at cricket or dating, all of this would be a non issue, but let's not mention that.

 

[sweep_shot]

Typical Indian deflection? you mentioned Vinay kumar in a thread about Tinder ban.

It was an example. You seem mad that I criticized Tinder. Are you a Tinder user?

 

[sweep_shot]

If you were any good at cricket or dating, all of this would be a non issue, but let's not mention that.

Cricket is not my profession.

Dating is a waste of time and money.

Try again.

 

[CricketCartoons]

What is your issue with Tinder?

Why bothered about me. You go ahead and use tinder and recommend it to everyone you know.

 

[JaDed]

It was an example. You seem mad that I criticized Tinder. Are you a Tinder user?

I'm married, andl this is an online forum it will take much more from you to get me mad..my only question is how does Vinay Kumar fit in here.. and all this is your defense to a simple question I asked:

What was disgusting about it?

 

[Varun]

Dating is a waste of time and money.

So you choose to do one of the following:

1) Uninstall the app
2) Propagate its ban in a country 10,381 kms away.

 

[sweep_shot]

I'm married, andl this is an online forum it will take much more from you to get me mad..my only question is how does Vinay Kumar fit in here.. and all this is your defense to a simple question I asked:

What was disgusting about it?

It is a prostitution app. Simple.

People mostly use it for one purpose.

 

[Pakpak]

Cricket is not my profession.

Dating is a waste of time and money.

Try again.

Would disown their kid if they had a kid before marriage.
Frowns on apps like Tinder.
Despises homsexuals

And a host of other Wahabbi views. Absolutely no idea what you're doing in Canada. Saudi Arabia would be perfect for you, as their society mirrors your views.

 

[Pakpak]

So you choose to do one of the following:

1) Uninstall the app
2) Propagate its ban in a country 10,381 kms away.

All the while sitting in a secular, western country.

 

[sweep_shot]

All the while sitting in a secular, western country.

I am exercising my freedom of speech.

It is not illegal to have a view.

 

[JaDed]

Why bothered about me. You go ahead and use tinder and recommend it to everyone you know.

Just asked for argument sake, I wouldn't promote Tinder(not use for obvious reasons) due to their data collection issues but your stand is on moral ground and I asked to know what that is.

 

[Varun]

I am exercising my freedom of speech.

It is not illegal.

You're only digging your grave on this thread further, because in your world view nobody has the freedom of speech and expression - to download Tinder or otherwise.

 

[sweep_shot]

You're only digging your grave on this thread further, because in your world view nobody has the freedom of speech and expression - to download Tinder or otherwise.

No. Everyone has freedom.

I simply wrote I don't support these apps and I stated my reason.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Just asked for argument sake, I wouldn't promote Tinder(not use for obvious reasons) due to their data collection issues but your stand is on moral ground and I asked to know what that is.

Promotes pre marital and extra marital, which is wrong, doesn't matter if people are consenting adults.

 

[Pakpak]

I am exercising my freedom of speech.

It is not illegal to have a view.

I prefer secular states, hence why I would never live in a state which makes laws from religion.

You don't, so what are you doing in Canada? Its not about freedom of speech, your extreme views are in contradiction to your country of residence. Why not live in a place which mirrors your views?

I'll tell you why. Its because people like you love the $$$$ and love the freedom in a secular state but won't have the guts to go in a religious state.

 

[sweep_shot]

I prefer secular states, hence why I would never live in a state which makes laws from religion.

You don't, so what are you doing in Canada? Its not about freedom of speech, your extreme views are in contradiction to your country of residence. Why not live in a place which mirrors your views?

I'll tell you why. Its because people like you love the $$$$ and love the freedom in a secular state but won't have the guts to go in a religious state.

Actually, it is fine to have views. Canada doesn't have one single view. Over here, you have conservatives, Mormon, Liberals, Libertarian, far-right, far-left etc.

My views are fine as long as I am not harassing or harming anyone. Also, my views aren't extreme. Supporting Tinder is not a requirement for being a Canadian citizen.

 

[sweep_shot]

Just asked for argument sake, I wouldn't promote Tinder(not use for obvious reasons) due to their data collection issues but your stand is on moral ground and I asked to know what that is.

Just say that you love Tinder. No need to sugarcoat.

 

[Bigboii]

Actually, it is fine to have views. Canada doesn't have one single view. Over here, you have conservatives, Mormon, Liberals, Libertarian, far-right, far-left etc.

My views are fine as long as I am not harassing or harming anyone. Also, my views aren't extreme. Supporting Tinder is not a requirement for being a Canadian citizen.

This freedom of choice, expression makes these countries awesome

 

[sweep_shot]

This freedom of choice, expression makes these countries awesome

That's right. These people call me anti-Canadian. I am not sure why. It is not like I am harassing people. I simply express my opinions/views.

 

[Itachi]

For once, I actually agree with sweep_shot.

Pakistan is an islamic country. Does Islam allow dating and other activities?

If yes, then ban is harsh.

If not, then why so much cry in following implementing the guidelines that Islam has advocated for?

 

[CricketCartoons]

That's right. These people call me anti-Canadian. I am not sure why. It is not like I am harassing people. I simply express my opinions/views.

Don't you know that these "liberals" support freedom of speech as long as the speech has their approval. Anyone else is a bigot, racist, fascist, extremist yada yada.

 

[Pakpak]

Actually, it is fine to have views. Canada doesn't have one single view. Over here, you have conservatives, Mormon, Liberals, Libertarian, far-right, far-left etc.

My views are fine as long as I am not harassing or harming anyone. Also, my views aren't extreme. Supporting Tinder is not a requirement for being a Canadian citizen.

Your general views are pretty extreme. Again, Saudi Arabia is perfect. They like the same sh1t you do, so why stay in Canada?

You remind me of nutjobs like Ali Dawah, who call for secularists and apostates to be killed but live in the UK. The fact you can't see this hypocrisy or won't admit it is pretty telling.

 

[sweep_shot]

Your general views are pretty extreme. Again, Saudi Arabia is perfect. They like the same sh1t you do, so why stay in Canada?

You remind me of nutjobs like Ali Dawah, who call for secularists and apostates to be killed but live in the UK. The fact you can't see this hypocrisy or won't admit it is pretty telling.

I don't ask anyone to be killed. LOL. I simply state my views.

Again, you are assuming everyone in Canada has same views. That's not the case. Many different views here.

Anyway. We are going in circles.

 

[Syed1]

For once, I actually agree with sweep_shot.

Pakistan is an islamic country. Does Islam allow dating and other activities?

If yes, then ban is harsh.

If not, then why so much cry in following implementing the guidelines that Islam has advocated for?

Plenty of dating culture but mostly through universities colleges etc. A lot of the people who I went to school with who did uni in Pak found their life partners through uni.

Then there is the halal dating concept where the families will first meet eachother along with boy and girl and if they feel the families match then the boy girl will start communicating through social media and meeting each other. If there is compatibility the marriage will proceed.

Tinder in Pakistan was mostly being used for prostitution. No family will approve of people meeting over an app and proceeding onwards. Obviously there is the uber elite westernized youth who do use dating apps to hook up.

I hope that sufficiently answers your question with the veiled attack on Islam.

 

[Itachi]

Plenty of dating culture but mostly through universities colleges etc. A lot of the people who I went to school with who did uni in Pak found their life partners through uni.

Then there is the halal dating concept where the families will first meet eachother along with boy and girl and if they feel the families match then the boy girl will start communicating through social media and meeting each other. If there is compatibility the marriage will proceed.

Tinder in Pakistan was mostly being used for prostitution. No family will approve of people meeting over an app and proceeding onwards. Obviously there is the uber elite westernized youth who do use dating apps to hook up.

I hope that sufficiently answers your question with the veiled attack on Islam.

I don't understand where I have attacked Islam even remotely.

Stop getting triggered over your insecurities.

I just simply stated, As a muslim, you should obey the quran and its guidelines. Does Quran mentions "dating" as acceptable?

If no, then why people oppose it?

For me, I disagree with islamic principles in many ways and I have no issues with tinder. But, if a person has a consistent stand such as sweep_shot voicing for implementation of islamic guidelines, I will respect him for sticking through his principles even though I might disagree with it.

 

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

This country gets more pathetic with each passing day.

 

[uberkoen]

[MENTION=107753]uberkoen[/MENTION] After seeing Connected I don't see any issues banning Tinder

I've not seen that episode yet!

Nonetheless, Pakistan is on a banning spree. Becoming more and more authoritarian and right wing under Imran Khan which was expected as it is but I guess it also comes from the Chinese influence

 

[ethan hunt]

What a horrible decision. Talk about misplaced priorities.

Enjoyed my time on Pakistani Tinder.

Stupid , regressive move.

 

[TSA321]

Completely dumb decision as usual.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

I am exercising my freedom of speech.

It is not illegal to have a view.

Weren't you the one saying that Freedom of speech is not okay in all cases? Or is it someone else?

 

[Lurker_Ind]

I don't ask anyone to be killed. LOL. I simply state my views.

Again, you are assuming everyone in Canada is a unicorn loving, pink wearing super-liberal. That's not the case. Many different views here.

Anyway. We are going in circles.

Do you vote for Trudeau?

 

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

I've not seen that episode yet!

Nonetheless, Pakistan is on a banning spree. Becoming more and more authoritarian and right wing under Imran Khan which was expected as it is but I guess it also comes from the Chinese influence

Honestly, probably some PTA uncle wasn't getting any swipes.

 

[sweep_shot]

Do you vote for Trudeau?

Yes. But, there are three reasons - 1) other options are worse, 2) peer pressure, and 3) I agree with some of the Liberal policies.

I am centrist politically.

Weren't you the one saying that Freedom of speech is not okay in all cases? Or is it someone else?

I believe all views are fine as long as no illegal act (for example - burning a holy book, harassing people etc.) is committed upon that view.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

It may come out a little absurd but seriously, whoever is opposing this move and feels that it should be allowed in the name of freedom, liberalism and modernism etc, MUST be ready to let his own sister take advantage of these dating apps.
Your sister should be free to meet guys through these apps - just as YOU feel you or anyone else should be free to hook up with girls through these apps. I think only then it's a fair deal, and it proves your honest stand on the issue.
Don't be mad if your sister dates a new guy every few days or dates multiple guys at the same time, in the name of finding a life partner through these apps. Agreed?

If you feel that YOU should be allowed to use these apps for dating but your sister should not be (if she wanted to), then not only you are a hypocrite but a big time coward too.

My personal point of view on this is,
I am also not not a whole lot in favor of banning these apps because people will find other ways to do what they want to do. Beighairuts are baigharuts - can't do much about them.

The problem is, bringing awareness in the people who should be able to take the right decision on their own, and that decision should be in the greater good of the society rather than just for personal benefit.

As a society, if we have such elements growing up, that are against our heritage, cultural and religious values then we need to address it accordingly.

Freedom of speech is one thing but democracy is another thing. If the majority does not like to let this filth of prostitution and poondi type low life activities to spread out in the society, then, no matter how awkward it may sound to you, this is the way it's gonna be. Majority is the authority.

However, it does not mean we should start taking extreme measures. The challenge is to properly educated the masses so that they take the right decision on their own.

Tolerance should be the key to address all issues.

 

[Ashmal]

Great job....these apps are a waste of time and money.

 

[Technics 1210]

100% agree.

Block filth that is poluting younger minds.

 

[Technics 1210]

It should be banned for under aged kids. Why ban it for mature consenting adults? I can understand why it is banned in Pak though.

Yes understandable.

Remind me why India blocked TikTok again, along with a few other apps? Adults and children not responsible in India? Oh that's right, it was in response to politics.

Banning TikTok for the sake of Indian politics is ok, but banning dating apps for the sake of decency in Pakistan is not.

Got it.

 

[Nostalgic]

What a relief that Ashley Madison isn’t on the list... yet.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What a relief that Ashley Madison isn’t on the list... yet.

The lack of information in the opening thread is a disappointment. Tinder is banned but which others are we talking about?

 

[Nostalgic]

The lack of information in the opening thread is a disappointment. Tinder is banned but which others are we talking about?

“... the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) said it "has blocked access to five dating/live streaming applications i.e. Tinder, Tagged, Skout, Grindr and SayHi"”

These are obviously targeted towards the younger age groups because to me, Tinder sounds like a woodworking supply store and Tagged an innocent playground game.

 

[sjahmed23]

The pakistani youth is not gonna follow their parents when they are given constant western content via youtube and netflix

 

[KingKhanWC]

“... the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) said it "has blocked access to five dating/live streaming applications i.e. Tinder, Tagged, Skout, Grindr and SayHi"”

These are obviously targeted towards the younger age groups because to me, Tinder sounds like a woodworking supply store and Tagged an innocent playground game.

Banning SayHi goes against basic manners.

No need to ban such apps in Pakistan, it's not an open society like the UK, where apps such as Tinder have little to do with finding a soulmate but finding a nightmate.

Society itself should shun these, Pakistan doesn't want to end up like the UK with more single mothers than cats.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Dating is not allowed in Islam I suppose. Makes sense because Pakistan is an Islamic republic.

U have assumed wrong. Alot of Muslims date.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I prefer secular states, hence why I would never live in a state which makes laws from religion.

You don't, so what are you doing in Canada? Its not about freedom of speech, your extreme views are in contradiction to your country of residence. Why not live in a place which mirrors your views?

I'll tell you why. Its because people like you love the $$$$ and love the freedom in a secular state but won't have the guts to go in a religious state.

So there is nothing wrong with that. No shortage of people who go to the gulf arab countries for money.

And would you have went to whatever secular country ur living in if it was not prosperous?

Like if those countries were poor would you still have migrated? I dont think so. And I'll tell you why. Its because people like you love the $$$$

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

For once, I actually agree with sweep_shot.

Pakistan is an islamic country. Does Islam allow dating and other activities?

If yes, then ban is harsh.

If not, then why so much cry in following implementing the guidelines that Islam has advocated for?

There is no uniform opinion on whether dating is ok or not. You ask a 100 Muslims you might get a 100 different answers. Hence why the founders of Pakistan wanted a state on Muslim nationalism, and did not want a theocracy.

And in Pakistan, alot of people date. I have plenty of cousins who dated multiple people before marrying one.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I don't understand where I have attacked Islam even remotely.

Stop getting triggered over your insecurities.

I just simply stated, As a muslim, you should obey the quran and its guidelines. Does Quran mentions "dating" as acceptable?

If no, then why people oppose it?

For me, I disagree with islamic principles in many ways and I have no issues with tinder. But, if a person has a consistent stand such as sweep_shot voicing for implementation of islamic guidelines, I will respect him for sticking through his principles even though I might disagree with it.

Would you ask a Christian, or a Jew, or a Hindu to obey the guidelines of their religion? Would you ask them if the Old Testament, New Testatment, the Manusmriti mention dating as acceptable?

If you only singe Muslims out, then it is by definition Islamophobic. However if you have a consistent stand for people implementing their religious guidelines, I will respect you for sticking through your principles even though I might disagree with them.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

U have assumed wrong. Alot of Muslims date.

What Muslims do is not what Islam teaches. I have had Muslim friends and they told me that it is not ok for a girl to see a boy without a male supervisor. They are all completely against dating and premarital meetings.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

What Muslims do is not what Islam teaches. I have had Muslim friends and they told me that it is not ok for a girl to see a boy without a male supervisor. They are all completely against dating and premarital meetings.

Are your Muslims friends the thaikaydaar's of Islam? Are all my Muslim cousins who dated non Muslim now? Have you considered the possibility that Muslims who date can still be religious?

Also you ask a 100 Muslims on what Islam teaches toy might get a 100 different answers.

 

[uberkoen]

Honestly, probably some PTA uncle wasn't getting any swipes.

lol. Could be. PTA is very backward though. There was also talk about banning Youtube. We don't need moral policing. The government can spend their time on better things I'm sure.

 

[uberkoen]

So now Pakistani's will have to stop using Grindr and go back to the old way of doing things i.e Madrassah's and bacha bazi. We won't ban that as apparently that's not immoral

 

[Belawal2014]

Sexual repression is going to lead to people finding other (worse) ways to relieve themselves sexually. In Pakistan's case, it could well be that Tinder and those types of apps may be a front for illegal prostitution, but if that's the case, then why not crackdown on red light districts/areas as well? To me this seems like a publicity stunt by the current government...

 

[Major]

its the elite who bans them and its the elite who use them the most.

 

[Pakpak]

So there is nothing wrong with that. No shortage of people who go to the gulf arab countries for money.

And would you have went to whatever secular country ur living in if it was not prosperous?

Like if those countries were poor would you still have migrated? I dont think so. And I'll tell you why. Its because people like you love the $$$$

Yeah I would have. I have also studied in poor secular states Vs the option of studying in Saudi Arabia. And the same for my job. I'd earn ten times more in Saudi Arabia or Qatar than I do UK. Easily tax free, utilities free. But I have no interest in living in religious states. Nor brining up my children in such places

You know why? Because I'm not a hypocrite like morons like you and your pal sweep shot.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Yeah I would have. I have also studied in poor secular states Vs the option of studying in Saudi Arabia. And the same for my job. I'd earn ten times more in Saudi Arabia or Qatar than I do UK. Easily tax free, utilities free. But I have no interest in living in religious states. Nor brining up my children in such places

You know why? Because I'm not a hypocrite like morons like you and your pal sweep shot.

Would you be willing to live in secular Honduras over Wahabi Saudi Arabia? If you are i agree you are not a hypocrite. But lets face it no one would live in Honduras if they had a choice.

Also in Saudi and Qatar you dont get citizenship, neither do your children get citizenship. You can also get deported anytime. You cant do chain migration there. So there are other reasons besides UK being a secular country that made you move there over the arab states. So stop this sanctimonious mumbo jumbo, of how you are not in interested money, and only want a secular living environment for your children.

And no way do i believe you could make 10 times more in Saudi Arabia than in UK for any job. Whether its a doctor or taxi driver.

 

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

lol. Could be. PTA is very backward though. There was also talk about banning Youtube. We don't need moral policing. The government can spend their time on better things I'm sure.

This is the PTA we're talking about, doubt they have enough sense to focus on actually doing some work. And we wonder why this country is so frustrated and depraved.

Though what upsets me the most is that it got banned before I could get the number of the girl I just matched with

 

[Pakpak]

Would you be willing to live in secular Honduras over Wahabi Saudi Arabia? If you are i agree you are not a hypocrite. But lets face it no one would live in Honduras if they had a choice.

Also in Saudi and Qatar you dont get citizenship, neither do your children get citizenship. You can also get deported anytime. You cant do chain migration there. So there are other reasons besides UK being a secular country that made you move there over the arab states. So stop this sanctimonious mumbo jumbo, of how you are not in interested money, and only want a secular living environment for your children.

And no way do i believe you could make 10 times more in Saudi Arabia than in UK for any job. Whether its a doctor or taxi driver.

As a doctor you easily make more money in Saudi Arabia or Qatar or Dubai if you're a British national or a Westerner. You don't have to believe me, you can check it online for doctors jobs at the registrar or consultant or GP level. My family have lived there for 3 years but returned to UK as they did not like the life style. I know it as British doctors get a lot offers for temp jobs or a year or two contracts in Jeddah and Riyadh, with flights paid for and expenses paid for. I know many people who took that route after finishing their foundation year in the UK, me and my wife both could do that too, we get regular recruitment emails from contacts but I have no interest in going to those states. This is pretty common knowledge for anyone with a medical background so not sure if I am the one with the sanctimonious jumbo or if you're simply being ignorant and don't know.

And even if I lived in a religious state I would not go bashing religious states as it would make me a hypocrite. I would stay quiet and leave. Or I would admit that I am after money.Posters like sweep shot and their extreme friends admit neither thing. And love enjoying the freedoms of the secular states, the same freedoms which you'd deny others if you ruled it.

 

[sweep_shot]

As a doctor you easily make more money in Saudi Arabia or Qatar or Dubai if you're a British national or a Westerner. You don't have to believe me, you can check it online for doctors jobs at the registrar or consultant or GP level. My family have lived there for 3 years but returned to UK as they did not like the life style. I know it as British doctors get a lot offers for temp jobs or a year or two contracts in Jeddah and Riyadh, with flights paid for and expenses paid for. I know many people who took that route after finishing their foundation year in the UK, me and my wife both could do that too, we get regular recruitment emails from contacts but I have no interest in going to those states. This is pretty common knowledge for anyone with a medical background so not sure if I am the one with the sanctimonious jumbo or if you're simply being ignorant and don't know. Since you're not as idiotic as sweep shot and usually post good stuff I'll give you the benefit of doubt.

And even if I lived in a religious state I would not go bashing religious states as it would make me a hypocrite. I would stay quiet and leave. Or I would admit that I am after money.Posters like sweep shot and their extreme friends admit neither thing. And love enjoying the freedoms of the secular states, the same freedoms which you'd deny others if you ruled it.

Well, I am after money. That's right. Who is not after money? LOL.

Again, you are confusing criticizing state with criticizing an app. I did the latter. I do not criticize Canada as a whole but I may criticize certain aspects of it. No state is perfect.

Also, I am not extreme. Criticizing Tinder doesn't mean I am extreme. You keep on displaying your ignorance by assuming everyone in Canada has same views. There are many different views about many issues over here.

 

[topspin]

Your general views are pretty extreme. Again, Saudi Arabia is perfect. They like the same sh1t you do, so why stay in Canada?

You remind me of nutjobs like Ali Dawah, who call for secularists and apostates to be killed but live in the UK. The fact you can't see this hypocrisy or won't admit it is pretty telling.

Ali Dawah used to have these views when he was a Wahabi preaching with Dawah Man (DM). This was during his early years after he became Muslim but now he has left the Wahabi movement and DM, who still to this very day preaches like an extremist.

Just like yourself, I despise Wahabis, but Ali Dawah ain't one of them anymore. He's tolerant and doing great job with his charity work and confronting right wing fanatics.

 

[Pakpak]

Ali Dawah used to have these views when he was a Wahabi preaching with Dawah Man (DM). This was during his early years after he became Muslim but now he has left the Wahabi movement and DM.

Just like yourself, I despise Wahabis, but Ali Dawah ain't one of them anymore. He's tolerant and doing great job with his charity work and confronting right wing fanatics.

Fair enough!! Didn't know that about AW.

 

[Pakpak]

Well, I am after money. That's right. Who is not after money? LOL.

Again, you are confusing criticizing state with criticizing an app. I did the latter. I do not criticize Canada as a whole but I may criticize certain aspects of it. No state is perfect.

Also, I am not extreme. Criticizing Tinder doesn't mean I am extreme. You keep on displaying your ignorance by assuming everyone in Canada has same views. There are many different views about many issues over here.

My wife is Canadian so I know how open minded Canadians are generally.

Your views generally are nonsensical.

 

[sweep_shot]

By your logic, Mike Pence is not western. This man is extremely anti-LGBT and he is now the vice president of USA. My point is, people have different views in western countries.