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Pakistan bans Valentine's Day for being unIslamic

I don't agree with an outright ban but it is true, the social event has nothing to do with Islam.

It can also be argued it doesn't help society in any way. In the UK this is marked by large numbers but the UK has a very high divorce rate, high teenage pregnancy rate, high single mothers rate, high rate of sexual diseases. The importance of a family structure has almost disappeared here.
 
President Mamnoon Hussain urged Pakistanis not to observe Valentine’s Day, which he criticised as a Western import that threatened to undermine Islamic values.
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What a difference between a Mamnoon and a [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]! :P
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
What a difference between a Mamnoon and a [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]! :P
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He is the only invisible President in the world. Not even sure he even exists. In Pakistan a year back, 'mamnoon' actually became a synonym for lost.

My mobile got mamnoon = I lost my mobile.
 
Mamoon said:
He is the only invisible President in the world. Not even sure he even exists. In Pakistan a year back, 'mamnoon' actually became a synonym for lost.

My mobile got mamnoon = I lost my mobile.
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Just like our former PM.

My mobile is in ManMohan Mode = My Mobile is in Silent Mode.
 
Waste of time to ban such an event or to celebrate it but just leave it to individuals to decide, ban something that really matters.
 
Stupid morons. This is the day and age of secularism where people have the freedom to do and believe in whatever they want. If someone wants to celebrate Valentines Days that there is no harm.
 
What's next? People holding hands in public?

In a "jamuri" mulk, on such "matters" people should make their own decision.
 
The_KING said:
Stupid morons. This is the day and age of secularism where people have the freedom to do and believe in whatever they want. If someone wants to celebrate Valentines Days that there is no harm.
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Pakistan is an Islamic Republic, it's not secular. Every country has a right to forge it's own laws even if they seem strange to outsiders.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Pakistan is an Islamic Republic, it's not secular. Every country has a right to forge it's own laws even if they seem strange to outsiders.
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But it's a ridiculous decision and imo Pakistan should become a secular nation.
 
Main Trump Say Kaisay Pachay rahay jayoon....

So discrimination is part of Islamic values?? - Why they have to act like public are 5 years old children not adults??


People say Pakistan is not an extremist country, Some how laws like Blasphemy does not threaten Islamic values, but Valentine Day does... These guys have to realize banning VD is not going to cut it, ban Hollywood movies and Internet, go the route of North Korea, if you really want to preserve 1400 years old tribal culture :facepalm:
 
The_KING said:
But it's a ridiculous decision and imo Pakistan should become a secular nation.
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I agree banning this is a strange decision. Although the celebration has roots in Christianity, we live in a global world were many traditions have made it to other lands. A person could simply be buying a gift for his wife on this day, nothing wrong with it.

My point was it's wrong for us living in the UK to dictate to others what their laws or beliefs should be, just as it would be wrong for Arabs to dictate to Brits etc.
 
yasir said:
Main Trump Say Kaisay Pachay rahay jayoon....

So discrimination is part of Islamic values?? - Why they have to act like public are 5 years old children not adults??


People say Pakistan is not an extremist country, Some how laws like Blasphemy does not threaten Islamic values, but Valentine Day does... These guys have to realize banning VD is not going to cut it, ban Hollywood movies and Internet, go the route of North Korea, if you really want to preserve 1400 years old tribal culture :facepalm:
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Please explain how banning VD is discrimination?
 
Banning it may be a bit harsh even though Valentines Day is a ridiculous exercise based on consumerism. At the same time if the USA is free to ban people from certain countries then Pakistan also has the right to ban what is a non religious festival. Had it been any religious festival then I would never had agreed with it. I don't see why we should have to mock the west to be seen as being liberal minded.
 
Pakistan is a Muslim dominated country , not an Islamic country.

If you want to Implemented laws , there are far more important things that should be done.
 
I don't want Pakistanis to start bashing couples like the BJP and RSS fanatics do. If someone wants to give their lover a card or flowers then that is there business. I don't see how the government can really stop this from happening.
 
PakLFC said:
I don't want Pakistanis to start bashing couples like the BJP and RSS fanatics do. If someone wants to give their lover a card or flowers then that is there business. I don't see how the government can really stop this from happening.
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Very soon that would be happening given the extremism in Pakistan.
 
Valentine's day is the most overrated event ever. It is just an excuse to go to an expensive dinner with a person who you probably see everyday anyway and go on dinners with all the time.

Glad that couples in Pakistan now won't have any peer pressure to 'celebrate' it.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Please explain how banning VD is discrimination?
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Discrimination may not be the right word, but it suppresses freedom of expression, If I want to celebrate VD, I cannot, I am not violating somebody else's rights...VD symbolized love, its not state business to suppress those rights...If people do something that breaks the law(disrespect somebody, abuse property or something else of that nature), then you can charge them, but why ban VD, Earth Day or whatever people believe makes them happy...Adults can make a judgment what is good or bad for them, its not state's business
 
world cup captain said:
What's next? People holding hands in public?

In a "jamuri" mulk, on such "matters" people should make their own decision.
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Reminds of an event someone shared on FB. Their son went to a convent English medium school. When the boys used to roam around the school holding hands typically during a recess in a friendly manner, teachers pushed them apart. This happened a few times. Apparently they thought holding your friend's hand means you want toor are already sleeping with them.
 
What's the point? In fact it can be a good day for married couples in Pakistan. You shouldn't ban holidays like that. Even the Rashidun Caliphate allowed people to practice their own religion. Pakistan is not the Islamic Republic they think they are. And if they want to be one then there are more important things to do than banning useless holidays.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Please explain how banning VD is discrimination?
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What about the Christians living in Pakistan? Even if you consider Valentine's day as unislamic, how can you stop Christians from celebrating it, or Hindus from that matter? What next, ban Christmas and Diwali?
 
They only care about dating on 14th feb.

What about the other 364 days when couples are at it at Benazir Bhutto Park in Karachi? Tab Islam yaad nhn aata?
 
How exactly is he going to enforce this ban?

I remember in India the RSS and other hindutva groups used to catch couples in the park and marry them off on the spot in public.
 
Madplayer said:
How exactly is he going to enforce this ban?

I remember in India the RSS and other hindutva groups used to catch couples in the park and marry them off on the spot in public.
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SRS tried to do that in Bangalore and rofl the whole Bangalore came out the next day to celebrate it and a BJP CM had to give security,unnecessary hype for the stupid festival

The cities need to fight such idiots,all those Bajrang dal (RSS doesn't involve itself in these) thulas do well only in smaller cities you would never see them trying to stop valentine's day in Delhi,Mumbai,Bangalore,Pune even when they do they are scrutinized massively.
 
Ive NEVER seen this rule enforced

its 'celebrated' the same way regardless of it being banned or not
 
JaDed said:
SRS tried to do that in Bangalore and rofl the whole Bangalore came out the next day to celebrate it and a BJP CM had to give security,unnecessary hype for the stupid festival

The cities need to fight such idiots,all those Bajrang dal (RSS doesn't involve itself in these) thulas do well only in smaller cities you would never see them trying to stop valentine's day in Delhi,Mumbai,Bangalore,Pune even when they do they are scrutinized massively.
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Completely agree with you.

Such announcements serve no one. Just hype the occasion even more.
 
PakLFC said:
I don't want Pakistanis to start bashing couples like the BJP and RSS fanatics do. If someone wants to give their lover a card or flowers then that is there business. I don't see how the government can really stop this from happening.
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RSS and BJP are not involved in bashing though they are against it. Its smaller outfits that do such activities. Even then those incidents are miniscule and nothing. People don't give a damn and celebrate it anyway.
 
Good decision.

It seems the government has got its priorities right.

Why let anyone celebrate?
 
How exactly do you ban Valentine's Day? You are not allowed to take out your wife gf on dinner? Not allowed to buy her a gift? Not allowed to go out with her in public on that day? I don't understand can someone help me understand how exactly would this so called ban be imposed?

Just beating up poor couples in the park isn't really a ban..
 
The smaller outfits are generally connected to RSS in a way.. BJP won't get involved in such activities since they are a mainstream political party which do not want to hurt their vote bank which is primarily the upper caste and and middle/upper middle class.. So proxies like Bajrang dal, shree ram sena etc are used which all have connects with RSS..
 
Madplayer said:
How exactly is he going to enforce this ban?

I remember in India the RSS and other hindutva groups used to catch couples in the park and marry them off on the spot in public.
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They still do it.In fact I happened to meet some of them today.Though they quickly went on doing their job of troubling others once they realized who I was but it's kinda funny watching them shoving their moral values down others throats.And most of among them in fact majority of them are the ones who haven't had so much as a touched the opposite sex in their lifetime hence the frustration.Morons.
 
JaDed said:
SRS tried to do that in Bangalore and rofl the whole Bangalore came out the next day to celebrate it and a BJP CM had to give security,unnecessary hype for the stupid festival

The cities need to fight such idiots,all those Bajrang dal (RSS doesn't involve itself in these) thulas do well only in smaller cities you would never see them trying to stop valentine's day in Delhi,Mumbai,Bangalore,Pune even when they do they are scrutinized massively.
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Lol you must be really deluded if you think RSS doesn't involve itself in such activities.These fringe groups mentioned are off shot of RSS only.Trust me when I say that. Speaking from experience.
 
TM Riddle said:
Lol you must be really deluded if you think RSS doesn't involve itself in such activities.These fringe groups mentioned are off shot of RSS only.Trust me when I say that. Speaking from experience.
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Iwhat i meant was Rss directly doesnt involve itself herr,obviously they are the mother party only Hindu Mahasabha being the other Mother party
 
CricketCartoons said:
Will support anyone who bans this consumerism ritual meant to misguide the youth.
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Even though I don't agree with the ban but somewhat agree with this statement.Valentine's day is nothing but a strategy by big firms to loot the poor middle class guys deluding them into believing that it to be the biggest festival of love.Of course the dumb girlfriends don't help matters either.
 
JaDed said:
Iwhat i meant was Rss directly doesnt involve itself herr,obviously they are the mother party only Hindu Mahasabha being the other Mother party
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Where do you think these smaller groups get their Karyakartas from? 99% of them are connected to RSS in some ways.
 
TM Riddle said:
They still do it.In fact I happened to meet some of them today.Though they quickly went on doing their job of troubling others once they realized who I was but it's kinda funny watching them shoving their moral values down others throats.And most of among them in fact majority of them are the ones who haven't had so much as a touched the opposite sex in their lifetime hence the frustration.Morons.
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:)))
If they can't do it, they wont let anyone else do it either.

But tbh some of these guys are the biggest eve teasers rest of the year. Only on this day their sanskars come to life. Such people are found in all communities.
 
TM Riddle said:
Where do you think these smaller groups get their Karyakartas from? 99% of them are connected to RSS in some ways.
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Tbh seeing every random person on fb sprouting nonsense against other religions they could easily join such groups,although goon levels are diff i suppose.
 
Madplayer said:
:)))
If they can't do it, they wont let anyone else do it either.

But tbh some of these guys are the biggest eve teasers rest of the year. Only on this day their sanskars come to life. Such people are found in all communities.
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You won't believe majority of them participate in these activities so that they get to ogle at pretty girls or in some cases touch them.Low life scums all of them are.All sanskars go out of the window when a girl so much as say hello to them.Ye hal h is desh k youth k.
 
JaDed said:
Tbh seeing every random person on fb sprouting nonsense against other religions they could easily join such groups,although goon levels are diff i suppose.
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Its saddening to see so many Hindu youths wasting their precious time getting involved in such activities.We should be an example for others and not the other way around.Sad state of affairs.
 
I don't celebrate Valentine's Day nor do I believe in it. But if someone does and are to celebrate then why do you want to stop them. Police is arresting balloon sellers but unfortunately weren't been able to arrest the guy in Lahore yesterday who took many innocents away from their beloved ones.
 
Slog said:
Ive NEVER seen this rule enforced

its 'celebrated' the same way regardless of it being banned or not
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It's the same way how government 'bans' the new years eve celebrations but go to any big city in Pakistan and you would see more festivities than most of the western world. lol
 
Nothing wrong in celebrating.

Hate the "You have to buy expensive greeting card"/"Buy Expensive Roses" stuff. Nothing but a joke played on Men by businesses who exploit the weird nature of women. Pay for your wife/GF or you do not love her :murali

Heck, businesses exploit women in many ways. Women have the urge to buy stuff even though they have similar items riding the old dusty shelves at home.
 
Syed1 said:
It's the same way how government 'bans' the new years eve celebrations but go to any big city in Pakistan and you would see more festivities than most of the western world. lol
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You can see the wrong priorities of country. There are lot of law and order issues, but they focus on petty things just to make a point to conservative and ignorant culture, like Trump talks about Muslim ban and wall to win brownie points from far right racist groups :facepalm:

I heard get years back, a poor barber was accused of Blasphemy, somewhere in small town of Punjab, he run away fearing for his life to some where in AJK, those local guys send 2/3 police soldiers to go after him, for days and weeks. Is that the biggest crime to spend so much resources on?? - Why you want to execute a poor guy in public, WTH society is going to gain from such acts?? - While crime happens all over the country...Sort of similar situation in USA, when police focus too much on petty crimes by minorities, we have 5% of world population and 25% of prison population...
 
The Afreen Afreen singer was attacked on FB for posting on Valentines day, there was this moulvi type posting a number of times "if you do not remove this post, it will be worst for you", very creepy
 
Pretty pointless celebration but what I don't understand is why ban it? People will celebrate it anyway.
 
Chaaron taraf bum phat rahay hain aur humaray hukmaraan ko fiqar pari vi hai ke koi larka kisi larki ko phool na dehde :facepalm:
 
This is a trap. Lovers in Pakistan, You will still need to bring gift for your partner, otherwise you will be in trouble. :P

If you say bringing gift for your partner is haram, you will be halal!
 
The judge who made this ruling first became famous when a photograph of him kissing Mumtaz Qadri's cheek was released during his trial. This was back when he was a lawyer. Asma Jehangir put him in his place earlier, remarking that there's no legal basis for this ruling(She's a lawyer) and that this guy should be the khateeb in a local mosque, not a judge.
 
People comparing with divorce rate in west should consider few other factors for that

Give the same financial and social freedom to women in sub-continent and we will see the number will be almost same as west if not more.

A majority of sub-continent women do not go for divorce as they are dependent on their husband or father financially. That doesn't mean the marriage as an institution is much stronger.
 
South Africa's highest teenage pregnancies are as a result of valentines day.
 
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Pollack said:
RSS and BJP are not involved in bashing though they are against it. Its smaller outfits that do such activities. Even then those incidents are miniscule and nothing. People don't give a damn and celebrate it anyway.
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I have seen them bashing people up on youtube video's. Regardless of how many people do it one bad fish gives all a bad name. I don't want Pak to lose it's own culture like India has.
 
Why don't you just let people take care of their own relationship with god. A ban is not gonna stop people from doing it, and you make yourself look like an idiot. It's not like alcohol which can cause damage either. Makes no sense.

Who wasn't on the right path won't come back from banning this. Who was on the right path will stay on the right path.
 
I don't celebrate valentines day but this is quite pathetic and petty from the Pakistani govt, but then again the majority of the people think like that. Until Pakistanis don't respect the freedom of conscience and the freedom for people to do what they will (as long as it's not harmful), there can be no progress.
 
I do support this. it should've banned everywhere. other days have some good message to give but this one not!
 
Smbhayi said:
I do support this. it should've banned everywhere. other days have some good message to give but this one not!
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Really mate? Then what message does Id gives that Muslims cut the goat? And what message is diwali giving when everyone pollutes the air.

If they are giving message of love and spreading light. Then Valentines day is also a day of love.... I dont think it must be banned...
 
I still dont understand how can you ban valentine day serious ??? you are not allowed to buy gifts for your wife/girlfriend ??? not allowed to go out with your partner ?? how can you ban something like this..

It is really clownish decision made by joke of a judiciary.
 
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