And it's such a rigid approach 99% of the time.
That's the frustrating thing, as if it's the only way to play ODIs.
Keep wickets intact, singles in the middle overs then hope you can score 100 in the last 10 overs - ridiculous planning.
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That's the frustrating thing, as if it's the only way to play ODIs.
Keep wickets intact, singles in the middle overs then hope you can score 100 in the last 10 overs - ridiculous planning.
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In 29 overs we were 150+ and are in a great position to post a total of around 300 but then the collapse came.
[Mickey Arthur:]
Look, they're classy performers and they've done it day in and day out for Pakistan over an extended period of time. So, I'm not going to sit here and castigate them for that.
As I said, I thought we were a little bit timid. I did think we could probably have taken on the Indian spinners just a little bit more. It was a wicket that didn't turn massively, and I thought we needed to put some pressure back
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You were in control of the match and all it needed was a positive approach, no major risks and some aggression and 280 plus was on.
Instead they go into their shell, look for personal milestones and then hope the others can score 100 from the last 10 overs to paper over the cracks.
Look, they're classy performers and they've done it day in and day out for Pakistan over an extended period of time. So, I'm not going to sit here and castigate them for that.
As I said, I thought we were a little bit timid. I did think we could probably have taken on the Indian spinners just a little bit more. It was a wicket that didn't turn massively, and I thought we needed to put some pressure back
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You were in control of the match and all it needed was a positive approach, no major risks and some aggression and 280 plus was on.
Instead they go into their shell, look for personal milestones and then hope the others can score 100 from the last 10 overs to paper over the cracks.
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we didnt play wrong cricket up until 155/2, the runrate of 5 was good. Up until that point, every pacer of india had an economy of 6 and one guy had 7. It was only kuldeep and Jadeja was that were at an economy of 3 and 4.
Pakistan's strategy was correct, they rightly played out Kuldeep without attacking him much. When we gave away few wickets, did everything fall apart.
The criticism of Pakistan batted slowly would had made sense had we batted for full 50 overs. When we never batted for 50 overs, got all out due to our own faults and had a rr of 5, how is innings pace an issue.
Had Pakistan batted at a rr of 3 or 4, than that criticism would had made sense, but 5 was not bad.
Also, you cant give the example of India because India knew the target. They were not looking at 50 overs, they were looking at the fact that the target is of 192 thus they took advantage of that and attacked.
Had Pakistan not lost wicekts and posted 280-300, would India had attacked risk free upfront?
Issue was us throwing wickets after 155/2,
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You need to know your own teams limits aswell. If Pakistan attacks the first 10 overs at a rr of 8, but lost wickets than what?
We attacked today aswell, we lost wickets due to pressure
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Batting against the pacers was not the issue for Pakistan. I am not saying the pacers bowled bad, but for the pacers there wasnt any demons on the pitch that would had made things uneasy for Pakistan.
They saw the pitch offered nothing so they went with other tactics, where they bowled cutters and lower ones that did the trick and Pakistan could had survived that if they didnt take pressure of playing against India.
Kuldeep and Jadeja, they bowled well. Jadeja got some spin and bowled a tight line, and as for Kuldeep, Pakistan were soo clueless that they didnt know whether the ball would come left or right.
Still Pakistan's strategy against Kuldeep wasnt wrong, they were getting runs from pacers and all they had to do was block out Kuldeep. At one point it seemed kuldeep would give only 30 runs. But Pakistan soon crumbled under pressure. They were fearing Kuldeep, but got out to nothing deliveries.
Man of the match should had been given to Kuldeep
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Pakistan team is no match to this Indian side harsh reality, Pakistan only has two batsman who can play long innings with one of them a nudger , Rizwan and Babar, as far as bowling is concerned we are massively overrated and lack of planning is evident with 4 of your squad pacers injured, Nadeem Hasnain Zaman Ihsanullah.
Harris Rauf is massively overrated and not required in 50 over format intact he leeches the confidence from rest of the players, India has made him their punching bag.
Team combination needs to be sorted Imam and Shadab are two passengers in this side get rid of them, Pakistan need to buckle up if they want to have any chance of finishing at no.4
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Harris Rauf is massively overrated and not required in 50 over format intact he leeches the confidence from rest of the players, India has made him their punching bag.
Team combination needs to be sorted Imam and Shadab are two passengers in this side get rid of them, Pakistan need to buckle up if they want to have any chance of finishing at no.4
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The fact 280 was target is embarrassing itself. Most of these Indian pitches are 350 plus, the coach and captains plan is to target sub par totals.
Aim for mediocrity, you get mediocrity
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Hardik Pandya, while speaking to Star Sports after the India beat Pakistan seven wickets on Saturday,
"Babar and Rizwan were timid. They didn’t take any chances, which is why we thought we were always in the game. There wasn’t much in the pitch for the bowlers. They didn’t try going for shots or attacked us, which is why we were able to bowl dot balls. I have seen that if two players bat in the same way, if one gets out, then it opens up a lot of doors"
"Babar and Rizwan were timid. They didn’t take any chances, which is why we thought we were always in the game. There wasn’t much in the pitch for the bowlers. They didn’t try going for shots or attacked us, which is why we were able to bowl dot balls. I have seen that if two players bat in the same way, if one gets out, then it opens up a lot of doors"
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Golden words by Pandya echoed Arthur sentiments but who is responsible for this timid approach
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Pakistan have been playing terrible cricket for a long time now. It’s not 1 game
These timid batsmen are just not good enough we need to give a long rope to aggressive young batsmen with fire in their belly like - saim ayub, Hassan Nawaz, Nafay Khawaja, Mohammed Haris, Azam Khan I’ve just named 5 Pakistani batsmen who should walk into this team
Our best batter is chacha at the ripe age of 42 tells you everything
Our best batter is chacha at the ripe age of 42 tells you everything
Wow fair play to Hardik Pandya. Very blunt comments but very accurate.
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100% spot on, always shows why India are mentally stronger then pakistan
We have like 6 players who doesn't deserve to be in the team + players like Abdullah Shafiq & Saud Shakeel should have been in the ODi side some one year back.
Don't expect bits and pieces players to win world cup for you -- I would be happy if we win 2 matches against quality sides.
Don't expect bits and pieces players to win world cup for you -- I would be happy if we win 2 matches against quality sides.
Pandya is spot on when the opposition team players who have just Given you a mauling are saying this it says a lot about the timid mindset off pakistan team just jot good enough huge skill level and mindset difference this was a 350+ pitch and we were playing test match blocking every ball
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It's unnecessary for Hardik Pandya to talk about others' capabilities, he'd better focus on his own game.
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LOL
Hardik Pandya is now going to give us advice, he should maybe concentrate on his own cricket.
Like what even. Tu koon meh khamkha.
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The shot Abdullah hit straight back over Bumrah’s head is what I wanted to see more of. That is a low risk shot with the field up and the ball not swinging.
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Easiest concept to understand batting in any format is no matter how comfortable a team is with the bat at any point in game always think and look at what score would be if you lose 2 quick wickets.
Example
45/1 (10 overs) 45/3
120/1 (25 overs) 120/3
In the blink of an eye a team can lose 2 quick wickets. This is why I've never understood the so called a teams started slow and will pick it up later in the inns.
Espcially with a team like Pakistan who don't have many batsmen who can go through the gears.
Today was just yet another lesson incompetent batting from pakistan
Example
45/1 (10 overs) 45/3
120/1 (25 overs) 120/3
In the blink of an eye a team can lose 2 quick wickets. This is why I've never understood the so called a teams started slow and will pick it up later in the inns.
Espcially with a team like Pakistan who don't have many batsmen who can go through the gears.
Today was just yet another lesson incompetent batting from pakistan
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Had a Pakistani player made such statements after a win against India, Indians would had rightly said that they need to mind their own business.
Meanwhile Pakistani fans going gaga.
Babar and Rizwan were mulling each of their pacer 6 an over, Pandya needs to worry about his own team.
Meanwhile Pakistani fans going gaga.
Babar and Rizwan were mulling each of their pacer 6 an over, Pandya needs to worry about his own team.
Seriously I was going to make a post just about this exact point. Glad the opposition have just reaffirmed it.
This pitch required disciplined bowling at a particular length in the line of the stumps. It sounds simple but it’s not easy when you’re being attacked after which you may change your length and line. We let them bowl to us and made it really simple for the Indian bowlers.
Contrary to what people say that we were targeting a high score and we should have targetted a low score. That implies we were taking risks and got out. That is completely incorrect. We didn’t lose our wickets due to hacks, slogs or anything of the sort. All of the core wickets were timid dismissals to balls that were on that ideal line and length. If we had put them off their line and length, they wouldn’t have maybe bowled on that line/length often enough to get those wickets.
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Rohit Sharma V Kohli, DE Kock Markarm VD Dussen, Milan Root Buttler, Conway Mitchell Rachin KW these players can bat for 30 odd overs at a SR of 110+, our players simply lack that temperament don't be fooled by that world record chase against a partridge quail bowling
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Pakistan's approach will be tested once again on 19th against Australia at Bengaluru pitch which is more than likely to be a belter. If Pakistan plans to play dots and score singles till 30th over and think of taking on Starc and co in death overs there will be another surprise waiting for them.
So true. The batting approach in that Babar and Rizwan partnership was maddeningly timid and meek. The ball wasn't spinning at all and Kuldeep especially was ripe for the taking. This was a slow but non-turning pitch and some positive use of the feet could've put massive pressure on Kuldeep and Rohit, but they were for some reason completely okay with playing dot after dot against innocuous deliveries.
As usual, Arthur is playing for the gallery.
What he is saying is a strategy where PAK should target 150 in 20-21 overs and say if it ends like 150/1 - great, next target will be 375+. Or even, if it ends like 153/4, still good - No. 5 to 9 will take the score to ~350. But if it ends at 141/7 - so it be, we are not winning with 250. I heard yesterday Shakib gave explanation of his attempted hook shot just after hitting a six - “…. Playing safe cricket, we could have reached 275, but that wasn’t sufficient- only way to win that game was to post 325…. We failed”….
Now, that’s a strategy completely different to what PCT is doing for last few years - I’m not sure if a WC game against India was the right one to experiment.
But now, what has gone is gone - does Micky has the GUTS to instruct Imam, Abdullah, Babar, Riz & Saud that - “…. Guys, no matter what, let’s go after the Aussies. We need to reach 350 and only way it’s possible is to reach 150 in around 20 overs. If you get out in the process, won’t hold you responsible, in any case we are not winning with 250, but if I see a lack of intention, I’ll have to find new people who are ready to give a try - either by reshuffling order or even replacing personals”.
Game is at Bangalore - perfect place for that strategy. Flat batting belter, smallish boundary, lightning outfield and warm, sunny day - you don’t get a better place for the redemption.
I hope, someone asks him at the presser before next game - it’s very easy to be smart at hindsight, and he is damn good at that; but we’ll know if he can walk the talk… before the action, not as aftermath.
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Technique and play style wise. Perhaps yes. But his temperament is something. In his short career he has already played some big knocks.
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Absolutely spot on. I simply can't understand this narrative that a lot of us are portraying about us simply collapsing from a "strong position". No there was never any strong position .I believe we had already lost the match even before the collapse happened. We would've gotten 300 maximum of everything aligned from 150-2 and that would been chased down in 40 overs by the Indian batters.
The moment Babar and Rizwan decided to stay in their crease, not take one single risk and just be content with 3 singles an over, we had lost the match. Yadav and Jadega were accurate but there were absolutely no demons in the pitch, no turn ,no bite , no bounce and yet not once did we see either of the two advance down the pitch or take out the slog sweep or look to change the length of the bowler.
Spot on they played mediocre cricket Bunch of bang average timid cricketers who are just not good enough
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Seems Pakistan got carried away with the belief that every team will double the score from 30th over to the 50th.
Eating up dot balls and making it easy for Indian spinners to settle into rythme and easy to set fields was just plain dumb. Most other teams have learnt thar in ODIs you look to score off every ball. The days off respecting good length balls and waiting for bad balls has gone.
It's clearly obvious also batsmen haven't learn to play all round wicket. Play reverse shots, use the crease, Feet etc.. against spinners like you say.
The dumb plan was supposedly see of spinners and go after pacers later in inns.
Nothing shocks me with pathetic batting approach you see with Pakistan in odis or T20s.
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First 10 overs 49 runs
Next 10 overs 53 runs
Next 10 overs 54 runs
Whilst we were only 2 tickets down at the end of the 29th over. Absolutely no acceleration, no built of momentum. They didn't come in at 10-2 so they can't use the excuse of "stabilizing the innings". We had already lost the match at this point.The collapse was just the icing on the cake
Next 10 overs 53 runs
Next 10 overs 54 runs
Whilst we were only 2 tickets down at the end of the 29th over. Absolutely no acceleration, no built of momentum. They didn't come in at 10-2 so they can't use the excuse of "stabilizing the innings". We had already lost the match at this point.The collapse was just the icing on the cake
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The whole inns was played at same tempo, best way to reflect an inns score is add 2 wickets to score as "worst case scenario" because things like that can happen. When your entire top 4 bat in same fashion its asking for a slap in face which they got today
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There is also a strong "suspected" element of selfishness in there where the plan involves you eat up overs, get a good score against your name andin the end blame the lower middle order for not taking Bumrah to the cleaners at the end.
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Exactly. Even in the best case scenario, Babar and Rizwan would have planned to up the strike rate in overs 30-40 and get 60-70 on that period. We still wouldn't have gone beyond 280-290. And going by how the Indians batted, the match would've been done and dusted by the 40th over.
Good point. They are not learning from own mistakes or others mistakes. Australia did the same mistake when Smith and Labuschagne batted like test match at Chennai. They thought they could make up for it later but they forgot this is the best Indian XI and in Indian conditions. Their world class spinners use defense as the perfect offense. Consequently Smith as well as Labuschgne got out after derailing Aus innings.
The key is to use the feet and sweep and never allow Indian spinners to settle down. It's easier said than done but that is what it takes to overcome India in India. It is easy to just prod and plod along at 4 per over against the spinners but you are never going to make up for that lost run rate later.
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Pipe bomb from Pandya
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We can easily solve the power hitter issue by forcing PSL sides to have atleast 2 U21 players with one must being batsmen in the playing XI , it will also attract youth towards cricket due to money and chance of playing for Pak national team early just after graduating from U19 cricket.
Each PSL side should be forced to give 4 contracts to U21 players with two of them must be in the playing XI , this will land 24 contracts every year which is definitely a lucrative opportunity for youth to have cricket as their career,
Each PSL side should be forced to give 4 contracts to U21 players with two of them must be in the playing XI , this will land 24 contracts every year which is definitely a lucrative opportunity for youth to have cricket as their career,
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India, NZ, SA all have players in top 4 who look to go hard and score quickly from the start. Nowadays a top 3 ODI player should be scoring an individual hundred within 30 overs or so. None of our batsmen play like that, that's where selfishness comes in. Play Abdullah and imam as opening pair when both play in same timid manner is asking for trouble
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Exactly even if babar and rizwan went through so called gears we would have probably scrapped 280 which on these Indian pitched top sides will chase down in 40 overs.
I said during pakistsns pathetic PP, that India would score pakistans PP total within 5 or 6 overs which they did.
Unless Pakistan come up with something radically out of box thinking for rest of world cup they will be embarressed again
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Our think tank including captain did not understand the pitch. It was best with new ball and challenging as the ball got older. I think India especially Siraj did not bowl well in 1st PP yet we made only 49 in the PowerPlay. I would blame Imam, Babar and Rizwan all 3 in terms of not understanding the requirements but most criticism would be pointed towards Babar because he is the captain and think tank, he threw his wicket away after settling in, he was the initiator of collapse.
The best learning for batting is that top 4 need to show more intent and strike close to 100 after facing 20-30 balls. Against good teams, batting first, Pakistan can only pose an imposing score if they target the 1st PP. Therefore, we need to put our onus on Fakhar to attack and play aggressive cricket instead of Imam.
The best learning for batting is that top 4 need to show more intent and strike close to 100 after facing 20-30 balls. Against good teams, batting first, Pakistan can only pose an imposing score if they target the 1st PP. Therefore, we need to put our onus on Fakhar to attack and play aggressive cricket instead of Imam.
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Someone shut this Pandya guy. Its a travesty that this guy is our T 20 captain.
Absolute chapri this guy.
Sorry pakistani fans.
Absolute chapri this guy.
Sorry pakistani fans.
I’m amazed people think this team could have gone after 6 rpo after seeing that collapse. The quality is NOT there for that against THIS Indian bowling attack. Which is the most specialised and effective attack in this tournament. Australia couldn’t do it so how the hell could Pakistan? There is a such thing as overreaching. Pakistan were guaranteed to lose this game whether they won the toss or not because on this pitch India win at least 95 out of 100 times.
Who said that was bad? But it could have been better.
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Exactly how he screwed up in first half was stupid to say the least.
And this is what so many people are not getting.
Nice averages and rankings look great but batting steadily for yourself doesn't help the team.
Pakistan was still in a position to put up 300+ when Babar got out but Pakistan let spinners choke the life out of this team.
Granted, they bowled well and kept it tight but it's not like some sort of crazy turn was happening. Pakistan just had a timid approach instead of going hard to the spinners when they were set to throw them off their lines/length. Not once did they even use their feet to attack them or attempt any sort of an aggressive shot.
It's confusing why Pakistan persists with such a timid approach when you've seen for yourself that taking the game on and being aggressively is what has paid for you. Going in a shell has not but I suppose an identity of a team is not going to change overnight and a lot of it has to do with personnel. There's a lack of risk takers and as a result, you end up getting a lot of traditional batting from the 90's.
It's disappointing stuff and pressure isn't really on Pakistan as huge underdogs to win, its on India. Just play free without the thought of the game being a do or die when it's not and stop inherently creating pressure on themselves.
Granted, they bowled well and kept it tight but it's not like some sort of crazy turn was happening. Pakistan just had a timid approach instead of going hard to the spinners when they were set to throw them off their lines/length. Not once did they even use their feet to attack them or attempt any sort of an aggressive shot.
It's confusing why Pakistan persists with such a timid approach when you've seen for yourself that taking the game on and being aggressively is what has paid for you. Going in a shell has not but I suppose an identity of a team is not going to change overnight and a lot of it has to do with personnel. There's a lack of risk takers and as a result, you end up getting a lot of traditional batting from the 90's.
It's disappointing stuff and pressure isn't really on Pakistan as huge underdogs to win, its on India. Just play free without the thought of the game being a do or die when it's not and stop inherently creating pressure on themselves.
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The tactic to conserve wickets for the last 15 overs has worked quite well for Pakistan, are we forgetting they just chased the highest ever score in world cup history?
Two things happened in this game: having to bat first which is almost a certified defeat in modern D/N games, particularly in India. The second problem was Bumrah, his second spell is some of the best bowling he has done in years and the very best he has been against Pakistan.
Two things happened in this game: having to bat first which is almost a certified defeat in modern D/N games, particularly in India. The second problem was Bumrah, his second spell is some of the best bowling he has done in years and the very best he has been against Pakistan.
Now any other team would get the cricket analyst to print this and pin it on the dressing rooms for the rest of the tournament for motivation.
But our team will instead celebrate the birthday of the kitman's long lost brother in India and eat some cake.
I am gobsmacked that Mickey gets to make statements like “we were timid” in a presser. Should learn to STFU and have these discussion behind closed doors … who exactly has given him the powers to “castigate” players?
After all his years of working with Pam team, he has repeatedly failed in couple of key KPIs for a coach - (I) match approach and strategy, aligning on what a good score is, how to go about it etc. and (2) brining more mental toughness and encouraging people to play bold … has has miserably failed in both and how dare he calls the team timid publicly?
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Very unfortunate if Hardik Pandya actually used the word “timid”. He has only limited fluency in English so I am surprised he knew the word. If he did, he should know better as this was disrespectful.
Hopefully, these words don’t come back to bite us in the back if Pak qualifies for semis.
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Babar and Rizwan scored 82 from 103 balls. Fact is the way India batted proved clearly that the pitch was not bad enough to be batting that cautiously.
Having said that, that was hardly the biggest problem in this game. Babar and Riz batting a little slowly does not explain losing 8 wickets for 36 runs in the middle overs.
At 155/3, there is 0 excuse for Saud, Iftikhar, Shadab, Nawaz to be getting out in that pathetic manner, you cannot just blame Babar and Riz batting slow. We did not collapse trying to hit big shots to make up for the slow run rate, we just played awful brainless soft dismissal cricket followed by an unplayable Bumrah spell. Simply put we were inferior in all facets.
The sad truth is that this collapse will actually make Babar and Riz lose more confidence in the rest of the lineup that they might think they need to be batting even slower and more cautious as to reach the full 50 overs.
Having said that, that was hardly the biggest problem in this game. Babar and Riz batting a little slowly does not explain losing 8 wickets for 36 runs in the middle overs.
At 155/3, there is 0 excuse for Saud, Iftikhar, Shadab, Nawaz to be getting out in that pathetic manner, you cannot just blame Babar and Riz batting slow. We did not collapse trying to hit big shots to make up for the slow run rate, we just played awful brainless soft dismissal cricket followed by an unplayable Bumrah spell. Simply put we were inferior in all facets.
The sad truth is that this collapse will actually make Babar and Riz lose more confidence in the rest of the lineup that they might think they need to be batting even slower and more cautious as to reach the full 50 overs.
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A lot of people seem to be assuming that Pakistan getting to 155/2 in 30 overs was acceptable or ok. And that things went wrong afterwards.
To me this argument cuts to the heart of what’s going wrong with the Pakistan cricket team.
I want to make the distinction that it may be ok for this Pakistani team, but it is not ok given the standard of playing the top 4 cricket nations.
On this pitch and against this Indian team, it was short of being even par. A score of 180-190 was needed.
Now you may argue that Babar and Rizwan did the best they could. That’s fine. Or that I’m posting with hindsight vision.
But once you agree to even consider that 155/2 is maybe whereby Pakistan lost the game, maybe that’s where one can get into a discussion of strategies, the root deficiencies of Pakistan cricket and the need to focus on sustainable long term infrastructure development and a process focus.
Discuss.
To me this argument cuts to the heart of what’s going wrong with the Pakistan cricket team.
I want to make the distinction that it may be ok for this Pakistani team, but it is not ok given the standard of playing the top 4 cricket nations.
On this pitch and against this Indian team, it was short of being even par. A score of 180-190 was needed.
Now you may argue that Babar and Rizwan did the best they could. That’s fine. Or that I’m posting with hindsight vision.
But once you agree to even consider that 155/2 is maybe whereby Pakistan lost the game, maybe that’s where one can get into a discussion of strategies, the root deficiencies of Pakistan cricket and the need to focus on sustainable long term infrastructure development and a process focus.
Discuss.
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It was a safe score, we on Bharat expected Pakistan to post 280-290 something from there which would have been a challenging total yesterday.
It was all about how Bharat played in the first 6-8 overs. If we were down 3 wickets , even 200 would have been difficult. If we were 80/0 we could even chase 350
It was all about how Bharat played in the first 6-8 overs. If we were down 3 wickets , even 200 would have been difficult. If we were 80/0 we could even chase 350
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Babar batted poorly against Jadeja and Kuldeep. Rizwan took the odd risk here and there but overall even he batted with a scared to get out approach against the trio.
Granted these two spinners are world class but that's what international cricket is all about.
Granted these two spinners are world class but that's what international cricket is all about.
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If Babar and Rizwan departed at 130/2 in 20 overs then the team would have collapsed to 170 instead of 190.
Shakeel plays with a silly smirk, is still too young to depend on and Chacha has a thick, thick head. Shadab and Nawaz are the worst performing all rounders in this WC.
After Rizwan the batting is a list cause. And yes, Babar is to be blamed for not getting Saud more experience and instead letting Chacha and Salman have the long rope.
Shakeel plays with a silly smirk, is still too young to depend on and Chacha has a thick, thick head. Shadab and Nawaz are the worst performing all rounders in this WC.
After Rizwan the batting is a list cause. And yes, Babar is to be blamed for not getting Saud more experience and instead letting Chacha and Salman have the long rope.
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Pathetic batting effort with no impetus, entire inns was played in same slow manner. The top 4 are just to similar and selfish in how they bat
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You're last paragraph summarizes the problem. It's been a one man show for the last many years with Babar calling all the shots in team selection. Persisting with Asif, khushdil etc despite clear lack of potential, not letting deserving players get opportunities is the reason why we still have no reliable options from numbers 4 to 7. Shakeel and abdullah were only just inducted this WC.
We had lost the match even before Babar got bowled. This approach of achieving personal milestones at 4.5 rpo and aiming for a maximum score of 300 on a flat pitch which plays better in the second innings would have never ever worked.
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They wanted to be ‘heroes’ by registering a milestone
Inzimam became a hero in 1992 rescuing his side from the jaw’s of defeat. He made a 50 in the process. But he didn’t go out to make a fifty, he wanted to win the game and play a final at the MCG.
Inzimam became immortal. These cowards will never become immortal with this pathetic attitude.
For too long we have excused timid batting by the guys “who make the most runs” because “at least they did better than the rest”
The only way we will change is by calling out the guys who “made the runs” but played it poorly and gave the initiative to the bowling side.
Call them out and stop defending this nonsense.
The only way we will change is by calling out the guys who “made the runs” but played it poorly and gave the initiative to the bowling side.
Call them out and stop defending this nonsense.
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Only 350 + was gonna challenge India.
Simply we aren't good enough to beat India now. Before it was mental weakness but the gulf in ability is so massive now that it's impossible to close.
Simply we aren't good enough to beat India now. Before it was mental weakness but the gulf in ability is so massive now that it's impossible to close.
This is true - and no shame in admitting India are a miles better side.
However, there is something to say about underdogs punching above their weight. India managed to do it in World Cups in the 90s despite Pakistan having much the better side.
You will only do that if you have something about you. Even if it’s misplaced anger at the Indian players or whatever. Do something to motivate yourself. Bring out the dog in you.
We have players sleepwalking in to matches safe in the knowledge they’ll get Kohli’s autographed shirt after the game and a nice selfie with their hero.
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I said somewhere
Rohit played the game, not the name.
Our star boys can only play the name. Kuldeep, Bumrah and Jadeja are just 3 bowlers executing their plans. Why are the star boys changing their method against them? Why is Rizwan afraid to play against Bumrah back of a length ball?
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After the horror show yesterday, i got some time to reflect as to what went wrong.
Ever since I started watching cricket, which is from 2006, i have never seen Pakistan's body language as down as it was yesterday against India. You could sense the pressure they were feeling.
With different videos surfacing on the social media, its fair to say that our players were intimated and harassed to the point where they were unable to focus on the main job. The crowd were chanting hateful slogans, there were literally zero support for Pakistan team and playing in front of such a huge crowd made it worse.
By no means this is an excuse for abysmal performance. They are a professional side and should be able to handle the pressure. But at the moment, we know we are not at the level of professionalism as other teams are.
The performance of yesterday does not reflect our actual capabilities. We are now far from the collapse we use to see so frequently. This team has been rather consistent and have survived the potential collapses most of the times.
What Pakistan currently needs to do is forget what happened yesterday. We still have 6 matches to play and we can make to semis.
For future, Pakistan really needs a psychological and personality coach. This would help them become much more stronger mentally. Most of our players come from humble backgrounds rather than universities and they are not groomed properly in the u19 circuit. Grooming yourself and improving your personality makes a huge impact on your way of thinking.
Ever since I started watching cricket, which is from 2006, i have never seen Pakistan's body language as down as it was yesterday against India. You could sense the pressure they were feeling.
With different videos surfacing on the social media, its fair to say that our players were intimated and harassed to the point where they were unable to focus on the main job. The crowd were chanting hateful slogans, there were literally zero support for Pakistan team and playing in front of such a huge crowd made it worse.
By no means this is an excuse for abysmal performance. They are a professional side and should be able to handle the pressure. But at the moment, we know we are not at the level of professionalism as other teams are.
The performance of yesterday does not reflect our actual capabilities. We are now far from the collapse we use to see so frequently. This team has been rather consistent and have survived the potential collapses most of the times.
What Pakistan currently needs to do is forget what happened yesterday. We still have 6 matches to play and we can make to semis.
For future, Pakistan really needs a psychological and personality coach. This would help them become much more stronger mentally. Most of our players come from humble backgrounds rather than universities and they are not groomed properly in the u19 circuit. Grooming yourself and improving your personality makes a huge impact on your way of thinking.
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exactly, these guys are giving participation trophies celebrating every little thing...Babar was almost taking off his helmet when he scored 50 yesterday
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Spot on analysis. Pakistan score pretty much scored 50 x 3 in 10 overs segments till 30 over. We needed 330-350
So the so called game plan to get 180-200 from last 20 from an unproven middle order was dumb
Babar needs to go as a captain as do a few others
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Hadn't seen our team succumb to so many bowled and LBW before. Babar letting the ball hit the stump in the manner he did was unforgivable. Hope he enjoyed his 50 though.
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Why blame Hardik, if the coach of the Pakistan national team used the same words?
And if India loses to Pak in the KO I hope they get more flak than this from everybody including the opposition. Losers shouldn’t be treated with kid gloves - this isn’t a kids school game nite where everybody gets applause and everyone wins a consolation prize.
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As soon as Babar hit his 50 yesterday I knew he would fall. For it looked like in his mind he had achieved whatever needed to be achieved. The problem with Pakistanis is that they can’t aim big and are contented by personal milestones.
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if they took Abdullah's catch that went for six that game was done and dusted there
Pakistan also dropped catches.
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Sure he would know. When you talk in Hindi you get a bit more free flowing and you talk unfiltered. But when you talk mainly in English you try to be selective may be things like "They went into a shell.." "They were not proactive.." "They were tentative.." something like that. At the end of the day it all means the same.
Actually 155/2 in 29 overs. And they were in a great position. The Ind team had a worried look. Was a lost opportunity for Pak. Siraj was on the backfoot as well. If it was Aus or Eng they would have ramped up. But will also say this , Ind still held their nerves and bowled well and once they got an opening they seized it
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