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You are 114/2 from 22 overs on a flat deck offering absolutely nothing to the opposition. The other team's skipper looks worried, their bowlers are struggling.

Most teams would attack, show aggression, not take their foot off the opposition's throat, continue to put them under pressure. But, time and again, our batters scratch around looking for singles, hunting milestones, happy with 4 or 5 runs an over, invite pressure, and allow the opposition back into the match.

Pathetic approach.
 
Wonderfully put. Who is to blame? The entire lot. It's one thing to lose wickets, but it's another to lose them in this manner. The top 4 soaked up all the pressure for the first 20 overs and laid a platform. They then invited the pressure on themselves and the rest collapsed.
 
Mickey, Grant and Andrew Puttick have a lot of explaining to do ie why was the so called Pakistan Way approach not exhibited by the team?

They will likely throw the players under the bus ie we can't bat for them.
 
Savak said:
Mickey, Grant and Andrew Puttick have a lot of explaining to do ie why was the so called Pakistan Way approach not exhibited by the team?

They will likely throw the players under the bus ie we can't bat for them.
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Mickey Arthur is all talk and an no action. Part of the reason we have a deluded team that talk big and collapse on important matches.
 
Savak said:
Mickey, Grant and Andrew Puttick have a lot of explaining to do ie why was the so called Pakistan Way approach not exhibited by the team?

They will likely throw the players under the bus ie we can't bat for them.
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This team is a reflection of the captain. The inability to ruthlessly drive home an advantage, meekness and inability to read conditions sums Babar up as a batsman and leader.

There was a brief glimpse of this attacking brand of cricket in the SL Tests - but you know as soon as the pressure's on, Babar will revert to type.

No captain has enjoyed such power and authority since Inzamam so he cannot make excuses.
 
Markhor said:
This team is a reflection of the captain. The inability to ruthlessly drive home an advantage, meekness and inability to read conditions sums Babar up as a batsman and leader.

No captain has enjoyed such power and authority since Inzamam so he cannot make excuses.
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This is most likely his last tournament as captain.
 
This is nothing new know, we’ve been saying this since I can remember. Every year, every World Cup, it’s the same issues.

This is a deep rooted issue within our culture, psychological.

You can blame Misbah for starting this defensive mindset but we’ve had this for a decades.
 
Bharat bowled and fielded very average today till Babar’s wicket.

After that the team picked up the energy level and we did bowl well for a phase, very well actually.

I think Pakistan has missed an opportunity here to post a big total
 
Markhor said:
This team is a reflection of the captain. The inability to ruthlessly drive home an advantage, meekness and inability to read conditions sums Babar up as a batsman and leader.

There was a brief glimpse of this attacking brand of cricket in the SL Tests - but you know as soon as the pressure's on, Babar will revert to type.

No captain has enjoyed such power and authority since Inzamam so he cannot make excuses.
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Pakistan team management appointed Babar as the captain knowing fully well his pathetic record as a captain in the PSL & other domestic tournaments.

And as if that wasn’t enough, they gave him a blank check to constitute a team made of his buddies.

The management and board bear all responsibility for this blunder.
 
155/2. The approach was simple. Not to give anything to Kuldeep, and it was not a wrong approach.

Babar got out, big deal. WHat are the rest of guys doing in the team? Babar is not responsible if others cant bat. The rest of the guys should had batted and handled pressure. Had Saud Shakeel been dropped, we would had heared about how Karachi domicile people are being targetted, yet this guy couldn't handle any pressure out there. Ifti threw his wicket aswell. Shadab, Nawaz and even Rizwan just beltered.

The issue was not the way Babar and Rizwan batted uptil the 155/2, issue was the guys that came later to bat were pathetic.
 
Major said:
155/2. The approach was simple. Not to give anything to Kuldeep, and it was not a wrong approach.

Babar got out, big deal. WHat are the rest of guys doing in the team? Babar is not responsible if others cant bat. The rest of the guys should had batted and handled pressure. Had Saud Shakeel been dropped, we would had heared about how Karachi domicile people are being targetted, yet this guy couldn't handle any pressure out there. Ifti threw his wicket aswell. Shadab, Nawaz and even Rizwan just beltered.

The issue was not the way Babar and Rizwan batted uptil the 155/2, issue was the guys that came later to bat were pathetic.
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The top order bat's the way they do because the lower order are complete fake hacks.
 
Pakistan plays odis in a pathetic manner. Block decent balls and wait for bad ones. All other teams look to score off every ball. The pathetic effort in PP set the tone for entire inns. Played like a bunch of cowards
 
Now shaheen will lose it all and our spinners can’t extract any purchase
 
Shocking stuff. Was thinking 300 around 30 over mark. Losing about 8 wickets for 40 . Could not have been a worse performance from the Pakistan team with the bat.
 
The body language is not great from Pakistan at the moment...

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The rot started with Babar and Rizwan today though.

Yes they scored most of the runs, but they slowed the rate right down, got bogged down, invited pressure and allowed India back into this match.

Yes the other batters deserve criticism, but this started earlier.
 
Savak said:
Mickey, Grant and Andrew Puttick have a lot of explaining to do ie why was the so called Pakistan Way approach not exhibited by the team?

They will likely throw the players under the bus ie we can't bat for them.
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Blaming coaches and support staff is pointless, simply fire and hire someone else again, running in circles!

Need to get to the root of the issue, why does the system repeatedly churn out such buzdil, limited skillset batsmen time and again. 99% of the Pakistani batting line up wouldn't warrant a place in any international team, why such poor quality?!

In the last three decades the only batsmen of international quality are Babar and Rizwan. Why is the system churning out so many failures?
 
Saj said:
The rot started with Babar and Rizwan today though.

Yes they scored most of the runs, but they slowed the rate right down, got bogged down, invited pressure and allowed India back into this match.

Yes the other batters deserve criticism, but this started earlier.
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bro they didnt slow the runrate down. We were going at 5 rr and that was good enough. Thing is, yes he got out, but the other guys thre their wickets. Its not like the next 5 guys that came in were trying to score runs, they got out to nothing shots.

Babar or RIzwan are not responsible for the guys who couldn't bat.
 
I’m sorry mate but even though I was one of those mocking Babar when he got out, how can you question his and Rizwan’s approach after seeing what happened later?

We as fans get the benefit of hindsight which revealed against India’s bowling attack we should take 270 and run. And we should be humble when we got it wrong. We were bowled out because our lineup outside of Babar and Rizwan failed and as a team we overreached. Today was NOT Babar and Rizwan’s fault.
 
Major said:
bro they didnt slow the runrate down. We were going at 5 rr and that was good enough. Thing is, yes he got out, but the other guys thre their wickets. Its not like the next 5 guys that came in were trying to score runs, they got out to nothing shots.

Babar or RIzwan are not responsible for the guys who couldn't bat.
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Major the point is this usual script of wickets in hand for first 30 overs, safety first, then explode in last 20 overs simply doesn't work against India.

They've got the world's best death bowler in Jasprit Bumrah - is he just going to give throwdowns to the batsmen in last 10 overs ?

That's why we're saying get AHEAD of the game, attack those first 20-30 overs, then you can afford to bat more conservatively.

Instead we followed the same script that gave us 0-7 record.
 
Major said:
bro they didnt slow the runrate down. We were going at 5 rr and that was good enough. Thing is, yes he got out, but the other guys thre their wickets. Its not like the next 5 guys that came in were trying to score runs, they got out to nothing shots.

Babar or RIzwan are not responsible for the guys who couldn't bat.
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This is the defensive and mediocre mindset we have and this is why our team is very average.

India were there for the taking, instead we were satisfied with a few singles an over and happy to keep doing that over after over.

Why not force the advantage, be positive, instead of sticking to Plan A.
 
hass said:
I’m sorry mate but even though I was one of those mocking Babar when he got out, how can you question his and Rizwan’s approach after seeing what happened later?

We as fans get the benefit of hindsight which revealed against India’s bowling attack we should take 270 and run. And we should be humble when we got it wrong. We were bowled out because our lineup outside of Babar and Rizwan failed and as a team we overreached. Today was NOT Babar and Rizwan’s fault.
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They are the only genuine quality batsmen, that's been said time and time again. Just look at their records compared to the rest.
 
Savak said:
Mindset excuse is getting tiring now.

It's not the mindset, it's the simple lack of temparament and ability.

Do you think the Pakistani players don't want to play like the modern players? Of course they do. They just can't do it against quality opposition
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They didn’t do it against Netherlands or Srilanka either in the first 10 overs.

It’s more of a mindset issue with skill issue as well but having an attacking captain will yield slightly better results
 
Major said:
bro they didnt slow the runrate down. We were going at 5 rr and that was good enough. Thing is, yes he got out, but the other guys thre their wickets. Its not like the next 5 guys that came in were trying to score runs, they got out to nothing shots.

Babar or RIzwan are not responsible for the guys who couldn't bat.
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See this is why you keep getting bashed for Misbah mindset

Going at 5 an over on this wicket batting first is good enough???
 
Saj said:
This is the defensive and mediocre mindset we have and this is why our team is very average.

India were there for the taking, instead we were satisfied with a few singles an over and happy to keep doing that over after over.

Why not force the advantage, be positive, instead of sticking to Plan A.
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For exactly the same reason that we saw today? Saud, Iftikhar, Shadab and Nawaz barely looked like they could hold a bat.

A 30-40 run partnership after Babar got out could have been the catalyst for a late assault, but Saud and Iftikhar completely gave up mentally and played poor shots.
 
Rana said:
See this is why you keep getting bashed for Misbah mindset

Going at 5 an over on this wicket batting first is good enough???
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We saw what happened when these batters tried to go for more than they’re capable of against the best bowling lineup in the tournament.
 
Pakistan took a lot of risks to score at that rate actually. It was inevitable that they would lose wickets, they probably took too much of a risk considering how well India was bowling, should have aimed for a lower score. It was an ambitious approach, contrary to what most people are suggesting here
 
To progress in limited overs cricket we need to discard this decade old game plan of openers occupying the crease for 40 overs or some one in the top order batting through out the innings.

Follow the england's method after the world cup. Pick batters who are stroke makers, no stroke less wonder or accumulator or single double player should be part of the team anymore. To implement this plan you need a leader with vision. We need to find our Eoin Morgan.
 
aukhan said:
To progress in limited overs cricket we need to discard this decade old game plan of openers occupying the crease for 40 overs or some one in the top order batting through out the innings.

Follow the england's method after the world cup. Pick batters who are stroke makers, no stroke less wonder or accumulator or single double player should be part of the team anymore. To implement this plan you need a leader with vision. We need to find our Eoin Morgan.
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Pakistan's has predictable one dimensional hacks, not stroke makers ie Asif Ali, Khusdil Shah, Haider Ali etc
 
wasim-fan said:
Think there is a clear gulf in quality. Mindset is only making it worse. But the mindset is also driven by lack of confidence in next guy. This is again back to lack of quality.
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Sorry but Babar himself selected the next guys, or he selects pathetic players to look like Bradman!
 
how can you bat with 70 or 80 sr and then expect others to come and clean up your mess by scoring at 150-200 sr...they playing a game of 10 years ago just pathetic...every other team has top 5 or 6 who can on their day score an over of 20-25 run...while we have batters like imam and Saud who are just good against medium pacers...i never expect imam to give us a start with a sr of 120 or above...and lets be honest saud no doubt is a good bat but he will never gonna help coming at 5 where you need quick runs...we selected players on past performances not on recent form eg. fakhar...this team is bound to fail...and vs india we lose 9 out of 10 times...then we carrying brainless bowlers why cant they bowl wicket to wicket if they now its not swinging...check bumrah as soon as he knows that its not swinging he goes wicket to wicket tight bowling...WHAT A WASTE OF A TEAM...misbah was right we became no1 cuz we were playing c teams
 
we selected all the accumulators (babar,rizwan,saud,agha,imam) only why who can smash other teams fakhar is horriblly out of form for like past 1 year...while other teams selected guys who can destroy any time on their day...then you carring wasim jr for like 10 years and when naseem gets injured what you do you call dahani zaman hassan...but you ignore wasim jr and arshad...just brainless stuff...and all this was done by babar who would have probably thought that im gonna back these guys and they gonna come good...paksitanis always relying on duas actually not even dua but mojizy
 
JAV12341 said:
I am sorry to say pakistan won’t ever defeat India in a World Cup period.

Pakistan needs to come out of the stone ages and select players like hasan Nawaz opener, saim ayub, Mohammed Harris, arham nawab spinner who is class and countless others I can name
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nah Nawaz is useless...saim should have been with them and probably Zafar Gohar...we playing useless allrounders instead of proper spinners.
 
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Major said:
bro they didnt slow the runrate down. We were going at 5 rr and that was good enough. Thing is, yes he got out, but the other guys thre their wickets. Its not like the next 5 guys that came in were trying to score runs, they got out to nothing shots.

Babar or RIzwan are not responsible for the guys who couldn't bat.
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I agree with this. We keep blaming the guys who actually do something to excuse the rest. Babar and Rizwan werent great today but they were better than everyone else. Run rate isn’t the issue when we didn’t even play out 50 overs. They werent even opening today which is the easiest place to bat in limited overs, and yet still cop the blame For how others performed.

Our biggest issue of run rate is mostly down due to our low confidence in playing out all overs. The fall of wickets is what killed our score/ run rate today, which is honestly how it usually goes when we post poor scores. Yes I would love it if we had a team packed with aggressive consistent batsmen, but we don’t and we at least need to do the minimum of making sure we play out all the overs at a decent rate. When our batsmen start consistently scoring, and we become confident we will not get easily bowled out, our run rate will naturally improve as will pressure ease. But too many times the team relies on two batsmen all the time.
 
how can you bat with 70 or 80 sr and then expect others to come and clean up your mess by scoring at 150-200 sr...they playing a game of 10 years ago just pathetic
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Spot on. It will work now and then, but most of the time it will not.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
They are the only genuine quality batsmen, that's been said time and time again. Just look at their records compared to the rest.
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We fail to bat 50 overs time and time again yet it's somehow always Babar or Rizwan's fault. Irony of the whole situation is that we were looking to score 300+ while the two were batting together. We would've been bundled out for less than a 100 if the two weren't there
 
@Saj made a perfect analysis. Pakistan had a good start after getting some freebies from Siraj. The pitch is flat with no swing, seam, or pace, offering absolutely nothing. Yet, Pakistan's openers played like minnows, failing to capitalize on the momentum.
I expected them to score 70 runs in the first 10 overs, but instead, they were playing at 5 runs per over. Waqar, in the commentary box, described this as a typical Pakistani innings during power play and seemed proud of this timid approach.

After the first wicket, Babar entered, and he also played in the same cautious style, showing little willingness to take any risks. They are scared to hit Bumrah even when he delivered bad balls.

Imam, Saud, and Babar played quite ordinary cricket without taking any aggressive approach.
Rizwan, at least, showed some intent and managed to hit a few boundaries. The top four players played safe shots.

In any other team, Iftikar would be attending coaching trials rather than playing for the national team. I don't want to talk about the other so-called allrounders who contribute very little to the team.

There's nothing in this pitch, it's a 320 pitch, yet they choked due to a timid batting approach from top to bottom.
 
viveks said:
Pakistan took a lot of risks to score at that rate actually. It was inevitable that they would lose wickets, they probably took too much of a risk considering how well India was bowling, should have aimed for a lower score. It was an ambitious approach, contrary to what most people are suggesting here
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They didn't take any risks.
Initially, Siraj and Pandya offered some freebies, but apart from that, Pakistan's top order never took any risks, except for a few boundaries from Rizwan.
 
viveks said:
Pakistan took a lot of risks to score at that rate actually. It was inevitable that they would lose wickets, they probably took too much of a risk considering how well India was bowling, should have aimed for a lower score. It was an ambitious approach, contrary to what most people are suggesting here
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100%

What we saw today was that in Indian conditions batting first against this perfect bowling line up (for Indian conditions) this Pakistan team had absolutely zero chance of troubling India.

Pakistan actually knew they will have needed 350+ even though 275 was their max capability. But they tried to go after that instead of settling within their limitations. Even if Pak played out of their skins and got 300 they would have lost and the fans here would have still rubbished Pak mindset and intent.

People are losing sight of the inevitability and one sidedness of this match because of the hype and desire behind this fixture. There is a seismic gulf between the sides in these conditions. It’s not like the CT final with English swinging conditions. Thr reality on the field is extremely apparent that this was not a contest.
 
Babar and Rizwan were very timid against Jadeja and Kuldeep who to their credit didn't give the pair and inch but this is international cricket at the highest level. You have to find a way to aggressively deal with the best of the bowlers.

However there is zero excuse to lose 8/36. The likes of Iftikhar, Shadab, Nawaz, Hassan Ali deserve a serious tongue lashing
 
hass said:
100%

What we saw today was that in Indian conditions batting first against this perfect bowling line up (for Indian conditions) this Pakistan team had absolutely zero chance of troubling India.

Pakistan actually knew they will have needed 350+ even though 275 was their max capability. But they tried to go after that instead of settling within their limitations. Even if Pak played out of their skins and got 300 they would have lost and the fans here would have still rubbished Pak mindset and intent.

People are losing sight of the inevitability and one sidedness of this match because of the hype and desire behind this fixture. There is a seismic gulf between the sides in these conditions. It’s not like the CT final with English swinging conditions. Thr reality on the field is extremely apparent that this was not a contest.
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Said before the match they should have just not aimed for the win. Get 275 and don’t take a big run rate hit. I know it sounds negative. But losses like this put so much pressure and unsettle the team. India match we didn’t need to win, India will likely top the group. England, new Zealand, guys we are fighting for 3rd/4th are the more important teams to beat.
 
Savak said:
Pakistan's has predictable one dimensional hacks, not stroke makers ie Asif Ali, Khusdil Shah, Haider Ali etc
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Saim Ayub is a breath of fresh air...he will have his bad days but Pakistani awam needs to back players who are not afraid to take on the attack.
 
I slightly disagree with the post - no matter what & how they reached, but they indeed reached 155/2 after 29’3 with No. 3 & 4 we’ll set, fielding side looking flat and the wicket showing a tendency to be low bouncy - that’s damn good situation for any condition regardless of who is opponents.

I have seen teams adding 200 in last 20 overs from that situation - that’s 350+, business as usual one should double the score after 30 overs with 8 wickets at hand - that’s 310+….. at worst, one should expect run a ball - that’s 275+….. there is absolutely no way that for not hitting 6/7 in middle overs to be all out for 191, when the platform was set to add 100 with that.

Apart from Babar/Rizwan’s massive, massive failure of not converting the start to a hundred, the biggest culprit today were the two spin “aaaall-rounders” - they were picked despite their impotent spin, for the runs that they can add - even at 170/6 with 15 overs to go, one should expect minimum resistance for no. 7 & 8 to complete 50 overs and take score to say 245/9 (just a random number that came to mind, no significance of a game played previous night) - not match winning, but it should have saved some pride and justified the selection.

I always feel that talent level is overhyped for PTC (one reason is playing too much soft cricket has given lots of deceiving stats) - we tend deny accepting that the failure of adopting a dream batting plan could be due to lack of ability, rather than intention….. but, there is no excuse of folding like pack of cards from that sort of platform - one doesn’t need to play space age cricket to reach 300 from that stage - even cricket as boring as of 1920s should have resulted a target of 292!!!!
 
Major said:
155/2. The approach was simple. Not to give anything to Kuldeep, and it was not a wrong approach.

Babar got out, big deal. WHat are the rest of guys doing in the team? Babar is not responsible if others cant bat. The rest of the guys should had batted and handled pressure. Had Saud Shakeel been dropped, we would had heared about how Karachi domicile people are being targetted, yet this guy couldn't handle any pressure out there. Ifti threw his wicket aswell. Shadab, Nawaz and even Rizwan just beltered.

The issue was not the way Babar and Rizwan batted uptil the 155/2, issue was the guys that came later to bat were pathetic.
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Salim Malik once told a story. When he was a young player, he got out on 50, top scored and got the biggest telling off out of the lot. He said he initially resented it because “why me, I played better than the rest”, but it made him a better player and taught him a lesson. When you’re in, you need to make it count.

Our culture has become everything that you said in your post “well what did everyone else do”? Everyone must take accountability for their failure.

We just have a “don’t blame me, look at the rest” it’s killing our game.
 
Asia cup 2023 first match which was rained out fans were sure Pakistan would 100% win as India score only 266.
Two games have happened after that and on both occasions Pakistan did not reach even 200. So look like India missed out a victory due to rain this year
 
viveks said:
Pakistan took a lot of risks to score at that rate actually. It was inevitable that they would lose wickets, they probably took too much of a risk considering how well India was bowling, should have aimed for a lower score. It was an ambitious approach, contrary to what most people are suggesting here
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If that were true, everyone would have got out to some wild shots or at the very least playing a shot. Abdullah, Babar, Saud and Rizwan got out to soft dismissals where they weren’t even looking to score. So if they were taking a lot of risks, I certainly didn’t see it.
 
Not making it count when you get a good start is going to hurt your team. One of the set batsmen should have gone to score big here. It's much easier for set batsman to keep going as compared to someone coming new.

Having said this, rest of the batsmen folded without any fight.
 
@Saj it's headscratching to see people arguing with you over the points you make. There was no venom, no threat, nothing funky on the pitch, maybe only a little bit on the lower side. How can people defend Rizwan's 70 sr or Babar's 85 on a pitch like this? Wasn't it painfully obvious that the only reason the best mates slowed down & took all the time in the world was because they wanted to statpad & add some meaningless milestones to their names against arch rivals? Even Imam with his pathetic minnow level attitude maintained a better strike rate! Today's collapse definitely shouldn't be blamed entirely on RizBar but their intent definitely needs to be put on notice. When Imam was dismissed Pak was at 73/2 with 6 rpo going. Then why did they end up at 124 after 25 overs? What exactly were they trying to do on those 12 overs playing merely at 4 rpo? If this is not selfish, milestone obsession then what is? The terrible failure of the spin twins /all-rounders/finishers was inevitable, since everybody apart from the cult could see these two crumble from a miles away. Babar selected them & gave them unlimited meal tickets with no accountability. So indirectly he is responsible for the entire mess.
 
Failure happens when the masses start assuming religion/god is going to provide them everything with zero hard work and talent. Pakistani people and most other Muslims are way too conservative and rely 100000% on a miracle from Allah which is not going to happen without self-improvement.
 
Mickey Arthur speaking in the post game presser:

[Reporter:]

Just wanted to know that the way the landscape of ODI scoring pattern has changed over the years. Do you think the way Babar and Rizwan approached till they were at the crease for 83 run partnership, would you think that they could have shown a bit more intent? Probably take the Indian spinners on a bit more?


[Mickey Arthur:]

Look, they're classy performers and they've done it day in and day out for Pakistan over an extended period of time. So, I'm not going to sit here and castigate them for that.

As I said, I thought we were a little bit timid. I did think we could probably have taken on the Indian spinners just a little bit more. It was a wicket that didn't turn massively, and I thought we needed to put some pressure back
 
One thing is pretty clear that Imam and Shadab are going to lose you games. I will explain this especially Imam.
After seeing matches in the World Cup, 2 times of pitches have been seen.
1) Full Phatta 350+ score needed ( Imam useless)
2) Slower Pitches that get difficult to bat as ball gets older ( Openers need to attack)

In short, in this World Cup, openers technique is over rated and Strike Rate matters. Fakhar should play with Abdullah and Fakhar needs to be given the license to attack to provide strong starts.

While for Shadab, everyone knows he can hardly bowl. He is first of all a bowler and if he can not bowl then he can not be in the team. With Usama into the team, you will also see Nawaz's performance improving as they will complement better. If Usama gets wickets and Nawaz provides you economy suddenly the middle overs bowling will look different.
 
VForVendetta said:
@Saj it's headscratching to see people arguing with you over the points you make. There was no venom, no threat, nothing funky on the pitch, maybe only a little bit on the lower side. How can people defend Rizwan's 70 sr or Babar's 85 on a pitch like this? Wasn't it painfully obvious that the only reason the best mates slowed down & took all the time in the world was because they wanted to statpad & add some meaningless milestones to their names against arch rivals? Even Imam with his pathetic minnow level attitude maintained a better strike rate! Today's collapse definitely shouldn't be blamed entirely on RizBar but their intent definitely needs to be put on notice. When Imam was dismissed Pak was at 73/2 with 6 rpo going. Then why did they end up at 124 after 25 overs? What exactly were they trying to do on those 12 overs playing merely at 4 rpo? If this is not selfish, milestone obsession then what is? The terrible failure of the spin twins /all-rounders/finishers was inevitable, since everybody apart from the cult could see these two crumble from a miles away. Babar selected them & gave them unlimited meal tickets with no accountability. So indirectly he is responsible for the entire mess.
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The problem with our batting approach is that the fall of every wicket - even 100-1 is considered a crisis. The new partnership immediately go in to survival mode.

Shafiq fell at 41-1 - that’s not a crisis

Imam fell at 73-2. That certainly isn’t a crisis

But it all results in survival mode. They treat everything as a crisis.

mix that in with some stat padding ambitions and you get the 70 odd strike rate you got. Babar and Rizwan’s partnership was 82 off 103 balls, but they actually had a big couple of overs just before Babar got out. 19 off 2 overs so at one point it was 63 off 91 balls - quite frankly pathetic.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
We cant take risks because we reached ODI number spot the same way.

Asking a donkey to run like a horse is not possible.
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I think this focus on number one rank is just ridiculous. Many fans don't realize that you lose 1% of points if you miss one game. So some one like Gill, Kohli, many English Batters missing 15 games will lose 15% points. Same is true for bowlers.

In same note, no other team plays full strength team all the time in bilateral even if it's against minnows, B or C teams.

Focusing on ranking in this situation is not going to help. In long format, it's a lot more meaningful. It used to be meaningful in ODI when teams used to play and not experiment.


Babar and management should forget about ranking. Play younger players in bilateral to groom some spinners. Spin department looks just crap with fake all rounders. Groom some spinners who can bowl well.
 
Saj said:
You are 114/2 from 22 overs on a flat deck offering absolutely nothing to the opposition. The other team's skipper looks worried, their bowlers are struggling.

Most teams would attack, show aggression, not take their foot off the opposition's throat, continue to put them under pressure. But, time and again, our batters scratch around looking for singles, hunting milestones, happy with 4 or 5 runs an over, invite pressure, and allow the opposition back into the match.

Pathetic approach.
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100% agree.

On that pitch with that base they should have been targeting 200 at the 30 over mark. Whilst I don't think it's solely down to these two (Iftikhar, Shadab and Nawaz threw their wickets away IMO) its clear that their mindset was unnecessarily cautious.
 
TheSultan said:
The problem with our batting approach is that the fall of every wicket - even 100-1 is considered a crisis. The new partnership immediately go in to survival mode.

Shafiq fell at 41-1 - that’s not a crisis

Imam fell at 73-2. That certainly isn’t a crisis

But it all results in survival mode. They treat everything as a crisis.

mix that in with some stat padding ambitions and you get the 70 odd strike rate you got. Babar and Rizwan’s partnership was 82 off 103 balls, but they actually had a big couple of overs just before Babar got out. 19 off 2 overs so at one point it was 63 off 91 balls - quite frankly pathetic.
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That's the point Saj is making, that's what many of us have been saying for a long time. Just look at Mickey's press conference, even he indirectly agrees that the best mates literally shat the bed with their unnecessary survival mode warrior style approach. Apart from Siraz & Pandya they simply didn't try to attack anybody else at all. Even the trundler was spared & allowed to get away with only 12 from his 2 overs. The mindset was pretty obvious, they never thought of 330>350. It was always around 280>290 like how Babar himself mentioned against the freaking Netherlands. Both wanted to go big but not hard, get those elusive hundreds first, so that the fanbase could sell those knocks for the rest of their career. While no miracle will happen to Pak, but at least removing captain planet from power & breaking up his untouchable clique will definitely bring some positives.
 
Saj said:
You are 114/2 from 22 overs on a flat deck offering absolutely nothing to the opposition. The other team's skipper looks worried, their bowlers are struggling.

Most teams would attack, show aggression, not take their foot off the opposition's throat, continue to put them under pressure. But, time and again, our batters scratch around looking for singles, hunting milestones, happy with 4 or 5 runs an over, invite pressure, and allow the opposition back into the match.

Pathetic approach.
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Thats what should be changed its not like they dont have skills we saw in warmups how babar could attack and implement pressure but why cant they apply the same in important matches .
Or are we cricket fans expecting to much from Pakistan?
 
Back when 280 was a good score we were always content with 230.

Now that 350 is a good score (300 arguably par) we are happy with 280.

Difference now being that we simply don't have a world class bowling attack to consistently bowl teams out and defend these scores. Yet we like to pretend that we do!
 
lucky_fish said:
100% agree.

On that pitch with that base they should have been targeting 200 at the 30 over mark. Whilst I don't think it's solely down to these two (Iftikhar, Shadab and Nawaz threw their wickets away IMO) its clear that their mindset was unnecessarily cautious.
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That's right. I'd love for us one day to just try an approach where we treat the first 10 overs like the death overs.

Infact play the first 20 overs like a T20. Then steadily accumulate from there.

It's not even about playing an aggressive brand of cricket but simply following cricketing logic. The optimal time for batters to attack is PP 1 because the bowlers have the least protection in the field. Today the ball hardly swung upfront and balls from pacers came nicely onto the bat.

Instead we do the reverse and attack when the risk is greatest - in PP 3 when the bowlers have the most protection in the field while we play out maidens and don't hit a single six in PP 1.
 
lucky_fish said:
Back when 280 was a good score we were always content with 230.

Now that 350 is a good score (300 arguably par) we are happy with 280.

Difference now being that we simply don't have a world class bowling attack to consistently bowl teams out and defend these scores. Yet we like to pretend that we do!
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We should be happy with 280 today but we tried to score 300+ and ended up below 200.
 
Some posters are reading too much into one game.

Pakistan lost one game out of 3. Many games left. It was a very bad game for Pakistan, but no need to think that Pakistan will always play like this. I think seeing 100K plus crowd cheering for opposition got to them to some extent. Babar and Rizwan played as well as they could against a good bowling unit, but collapse after that was a bad one.
 
hassan918 said:
We should be happy with 280 today but we tried to score 300+ and ended up below 200.
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Bhai sahb where did we even try and score 300+? - The core of the batting didn’t even get out trying to hit out.

People are making out we went too hard and if we had paced it, we would have got 280. We weren’t going for anything. We played timidly and got out timidly.

You can’t expect anything from the tail anyway and I include Iftikhar in that list.
 
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