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"Pakistan cricket isn't that bad that coaches like Flower give suggestions to Younis" : Basit Ali

Former Pakistan middle-order batsman Basit Ali has lambasted Grant Flower for making false allegations against Younis Khan. Flower had earlier accused Younis Khan of having put a knife to his throat when the former was giving him batting advice.

While speaking on his YouTube channel, Basit Ali condemned Grant Flower for making such frivolous allegations against one of Pakistan's greatest batsmen.

"There is a statement that has come out from Grant Flower about Younis Khan. I feel he has given this statement very quickly. I feel he should think which person, which player he is talking about, who has scored 10000 runs for Pakistan."

Basit Ali even questioned if Grant Flower had the credentials to give advice to Younis Khan.

"Pakistan cricket is not that bad that coaches like Grant Flower give suggestions to Younis Khan. It was his [Younis] greatness that he used to listen to him [Flower] and even used to credit him in press conferences."

He also appealed to the PCB to take action against Flower for giving out such statements.

"Statements like this are not good for our nation's cricket and PCB should take action. Because Younis Khan is one of our greatest cricketers and I felt very sad."

Basit Ali also narrated an incident when he himself had an argument with Grant Flower about the latter's coaching methods.

"This happened in NCA Lahore when I was part of the junior selection committee. Grant Flower was giving practice to a Test match opener with the white ball. I was observing and went and asked him if he was doing preparation for ODIs and he replied that it was for Test matches."

"So, I told him that Test match happens with the red ball and not white ball. That is the first thing and what you are developing in him, he is not that type of player. We had an argument and he told me to just go and tell the player."Basit Ali on Grant Flower's achievements as a coach

Basit Ali also questioned Grant Flower's contribution to Pakistan cricket.

"You need to give credit to Mickey Arthur for getting him to Pakistan, and also taking him to Sri Lanka along with him. If you see Pakistan batting during his time, people give big names to our batsmen, but what did he do to make that happen. What has he done for our nation, has he developed any player? Not even one player."

Basit Ali mentioned that Grant Flower might have played Test cricket for Zimbabwe but highlighted that the nation did not have any significant achievements in world cricket.

"It is not something I should be saying, but he should see his face in the mirror which player he is talking about. If you talk about a domestic player it is understandable. No doubt Grant Flower has played Test matches for Zimbabwe, but Zimbabwe is not a Test championship or World Cup-winning team. I am extremely hurt."

Basit Ali criticized Grant Flower for being Pakistan's batting coach without knowing an iota about wielding the willow.

"I don't want to use the language that I used 4-5 years ago. But pardon me, forget about Younis Khan, players like you used to be in Basit Ali's pocket. You didn't know a single thing about batting and you served our nation as a batting coach."

He again requested the PCB to issue a statement in this regard.

"I feel bad about it, but I will be happy if PCB gives a statement in this regard. If it doesn't come, it will be very disheartening because Younis Khan has a very high status and the type of person and player he was."

While questioning Grant Flower's abilities, Basit Ali showered praise on the former's brother Andy Flower and lauded his knowledge of the game.

"This was about Grant Flower. But I would like to say one thing, his brother Andy Flower has good understanding about cricket. But Grant does not have any knowledge, he has just earned dollars from Pakistan cricket for so many years."
Basit Ali concluded by stating that Pakistan cricket should be beware of coaches like Grant Flower who issue such statements just to be in the limelight.

"Pakistan cricket should save itself from such people. He was an average coach and will thus give such a statement to get famous. He had given a statement earlier that when he used to be in Pakistan, he couldn't go out anywhere. That was a lie, he used to roam around in Lahore."

https://www.sportskeeda.com/cricket...r-give-suggestions-younis-khan-says-basit-ali
 
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Disgusting remarks from Basit Ali. Just shows the mentality of some connected with PK cricket.
 
I'm no fan of Basit Ali but I agree with him.

Some of us should take heed to the following comment mentioned by him:

"Pakistan cricket is not that bad that coaches like Grant Flower give suggestions to Younis Khan. It was his [Younis] greatness that he used to listen to him [Flower] and even used to credit him in press conferences.".

Everyone here has jumped on the bandwagon to bash YK, but have failed to realise that Grant Flower was commended for his work with him during the post-match interviews.

I have never threatened anyone with a knife (or a weapon of some sort) in my life, nor do I intend to do so in the future, but before you all take the moral high ground, you have to consider that Grant must have crossed the line to have triggered YK for him take up a knife against him.
 
Being a good player doesn't mean that you will be a good coach.

You don't have to be gun player to make a good coach.
 
Oh look another attention seeking psychologically unstable cricketer with an axe to grind.

Basit Ali who are you to give batting advice anyway - I'll never forget how Shane Warne mugged him off in the last over before stumps in the 1995 Sydney Test and embarrassed him.
 
Pakistan cricket is not that bad that coaches like Grant Flower give suggestions to Younis Khan.

This right here is a perfect indicator of Basit Ali's immaturity. He may have aged in years but thinks like a teenager.
 
I'm no fan of Basit Ali but I agree with him.

Some of us should take heed to the following comment mentioned by him:

"Pakistan cricket is not that bad that coaches like Grant Flower give suggestions to Younis Khan. It was his [Younis] greatness that he used to listen to him [Flower] and even used to credit him in press conferences.".

Everyone here has jumped on the bandwagon to bash YK, but have failed to realise that Grant Flower was commended for his work with him during the post-match interviews.

I have never threatened anyone with a knife (or a weapon of some sort) in my life, nor do I intend to do so in the future, but before you all take the moral high ground, you have to consider that Grant must have crossed the line to have triggered YK for him take up a knife against him.

Absolute great players like Sachin have been coached by absolute nobodies like acchrekar and achieved greatness . This is a pathetic mentality to have

Secondly there is no reason a cricketer puts a knife to his coach's throat. Absolutely no reason. In most countries he will be thrown in jail.

And i love how you make excuses for Youniss temper. This is a dude who, when a fan accidently tripped against him, dragged the poor guy to the dressing room and beat him up
 
Basit Ali mentioned that Grant Flower might have played Test cricket for Zimbabwe but highlighted that the nation did not have any significant achievements in world cricket.
As if Basit Ali is like Dravid. Apart from few good innings here and there this guy is another failure. In his last days he cannot defend more than 3 balls before the end of the day's play.
 
Disgusting comments from basit

So a coach cant give advice to his batsmen and only a bonafide ex great can? If thats the case he should keep his mouth shut too What are basits achievements?

I understand younus is a fave of certain people but biased comments like this arent doing younus khan or basit any favours

Its stupid people and mentality like this that prevents pakistan from kicking on to becoming a world powerhouse
 
Basit was one of my fav Pakistani batsman back in the day. Really wanted him to do well.

Unfortunately he has turned out to be a sadist as far as cricket views are concerned.
 
What a disgraceful comment.

It's stupid foolish thinking that has failed Pakistani cricket and Pakistan in general to progress further.

The best coaches in every sport around the world were essentially nobodies and some weren't even good enough to play. Coaching is about teaching, picking out the X's & O's and showing how one can improve. Best players generally don't even make the best coaches because they relied on their natural instinct and elite talent which is not teachable to others.

Former Pakistani players need to stop being given a platform to share their idiotic opinions.
 
Mickey Arthur in reference to Basit Ali's comments:

"That's how it works in Pakistan - for all the good and great times I had there, some of the gutter journalism, is just that - you kind of live with that"

"Basit and them - we know what they will do - its par for the course but it will soon blow over and everybody will move on because something else will happen, that's just how it is"
 
Everything will be ok regardless we win or loss because we have batting Legend Younis Khan, Tuktuk legend Misbah and repeated failure as a bowling coach Waqar. All desi bros!!!!
 
Late Ramakant Achrekar is the greatest cricket coach ever and he never even coached a Ranji team. Gave Tendulkar and Kambli to the cricketing world, if Kambli had stayed focussed it would have been the generation of Tendulkar and Indian Brian Lara playing in the same team for two decades,both raised by Achrekar from nothing.

When Sachin was a kid, Achrekar would take him on his scooter and take him to different maidans in Mumbai to play cricket matches and so little Sachin could get more exposure and competition. The stories are endless. No international coach could ever get this personal with a player.

A student makes a coach great by following his advises with all his heart and not the other way around.

A truly embarrassing and sad statement given by Basit Ali. He should never ever be considered for any coaching or administrative role.
 
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I'm no fan of Basit Ali but I agree with him.

Some of us should take heed to the following comment mentioned by him:

"Pakistan cricket is not that bad that coaches like Grant Flower give suggestions to Younis Khan. It was his [Younis] greatness that he used to listen to him [Flower] and even used to credit him in press conferences.".

Everyone here has jumped on the bandwagon to bash YK, but have failed to realise that Grant Flower was commended for his work with him during the post-match interviews.

I have never threatened anyone with a knife (or a weapon of some sort) in my life, nor do I intend to do so in the future, but before you all take the moral high ground, you have to consider that Grant must have crossed the line to have triggered YK for him take up a knife against him.

Haha this is some amazing trolling.

Even you cannot be dumb enough to justify putting a knife to a coach’s neck by saying he must have ****** him off. Okay so let’s say we okay along to your trolling. What exactly could Grant have said that deserved this reaction? Insulted Younis’ abilities? Told him he shouldn’t be in the team? Swore at his parents? Insulted his religion? Do any of these justify a knife to the neck?
 
Really poor and below the belt comments from Basit.
 
I'm no fan of Basit Ali but I agree with him.

Some of us should take heed to the following comment mentioned by him:

"Pakistan cricket is not that bad that coaches like Grant Flower give suggestions to Younis Khan. It was his [Younis] greatness that he used to listen to him [Flower] and even used to credit him in press conferences.".

Everyone here has jumped on the bandwagon to bash YK, but have failed to realise that Grant Flower was commended for his work with him during the post-match interviews.

I have never threatened anyone with a knife (or a weapon of some sort) in my life, nor do I intend to do so in the future, but before you all take the moral high ground, you have to consider that Grant must have crossed the line to have triggered YK for him take up a knife against him.

Oh and I guess we know how you would defend someone who threatened their wife with a weapon, in court. ‘But your honour, he publicly wrote on Facebook previously that he loves her and she is amazing. Why is everyone jumping on the bandwagon and hating the guy.’
 
Basit Ali who are you to give batting advice anyway - I'll never forget how Shane Warne mugged him off in the last over before stumps in the 1995 Sydney Test and embarrassed him.

To be honest, that's absolutely nothing to be ashamed of, batsmen that were 10x better than Basit have been mugged off by Warne.
 
Oh look another attention seeking psychologically unstable cricketer with an axe to grind.

Basit Ali who are you to give batting advice anyway - I'll never forget how Shane Warne mugged him off in the last over before stumps in the 1995 Sydney Test and embarrassed him.

lol tbf he isnt giving any batting advice here and much more accomplished and world class batsman than Basit have also been made to look like mugs by Warnie
 
What is worrying is that Basit has been working for PCB in various roles over the years and been in roles with a certain amount of responsibility.

Disgraceful comments by him, but not at all surprising.
 
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Mickey Arthur in reference to Basit Ali's comments:

"That's how it works in Pakistan - for all the good and great times I had there, some of the gutter journalism, is just that - you kind of live with that"

"Basit and them - we know what they will do - its par for the course but it will soon blow over and everybody will move on because something else will happen, that's just how it is"

Shows how and why
Younis wanted a place back in the ODI team and retires in the middle of a series.
Malik and Hafeez adds to this list on how they got back into test team just to announce their retirement
and now how Misbah feeding his friends with a chance selecting Sohail Khan for tests at the age of 36 and not giving chances to deserving youngsters like Ehsan Adil, sameen gul etc
 
Man.. this just bleeds an entitlement culture, doesn't it? Beyond pathetic. I wonder what the clouds tastes like with how high some former/current senior cricketers' heads are?
 
lol tbf he isnt giving any batting advice here and much more accomplished and world class batsman than Basit have also been made to look like mugs by Warnie

Yes but the point is Basit isn't one to talk given the awkward fact his Test average is even lower than Grant Flower.
 
By this logic, Arsene Wenger, Jurgen Klopp, Jose Mourinho or Joechim Loew should have never become managers. How on earth they could manage & advice players who are far better players than they were ?

This is extremely stupid & idiotic from Basit Ali
 
By this logic, Arsene Wenger, Jurgen Klopp, Jose Mourinho or Joechim Loew should have never become managers. How on earth they could manage & advice players who are far better players than they were ?

This is extremely stupid & idiotic from Basit Ali

Wonder who was SRT's batting coach was - dont remember any knife incidents.
 
What a strange comment from Basit!

Even though Grant Flower played for an average team, he was a really great batsman.

Furthermore, a coach should have the right to coach any player.
 
Wonder who was SRT's batting coach was - dont remember any knife incidents.

Ramakant Achrekar

On a diff note , remember a TV interview where Wasim Akram lamented that Indian bowlers like Shami approached him for advice regularly but Pakistani bowlers never did so even thought they were in same hotel in Adelaide ( I think after 2015 WC Ind vs Pak march )

Humility is important prerequisite for players to keep learning & evolving. Wonder if this ego & arrogance is why many Pakistani players go downhill after bright start ( Hasan Ali, Fakhar Zaman , Nasir Jamshed etc... )
 
Wonder who was SRT's batting coach was - dont remember any knife incidents.

Can't imagine the likes of Sachin and Dravid putting a knife to their coach's throat.

Rather they would touch the feet of their coaches.
 
Grant Flower has a 200 not out in a test where they thumped Pakistan by an innings. What has Basit ever achieved
 
These statements tells why the guy smashing Ambrose, Walsh like net bowlers ended up with a Test average in mid 20s.
 
Ramakant Achrekar

On a diff note , remember a TV interview where Wasim Akram lamented that Indian bowlers like Shami approached him for advice regularly but Pakistani bowlers never did so even thought they were in same hotel in Adelaide ( I think after 2015 WC Ind vs Pak march )

Humility is important prerequisite for players to keep learning & evolving. Wonder if this ego & arrogance is why many Pakistani players go downhill after bright start ( Hasan Ali, Fakhar Zaman , Nasir Jamshed etc... )

Even Virat Kohli apparently said same thing to Wasim Akram when Wasim asked what do you think of Pakistani young-ish batsmen such as Shehzad, Akmal, Nasir Jamshed etc. He apparently told Wasim that whenever he met Pakistani batsmen they have never asked a question about batting to him or the other senior Indian batsmen
 
Embarrassing comments from Basit. The best players are those who listen to everyone and then take the best advice from everyone to improve themselves even more. If a player ever thinks he's above getting advice from anyone, they will stagnate without new ideas.
 
Wonder who was SRT's batting coach was - dont remember any knife incidents.

Can't imagine the likes of Sachin and Dravid putting a knife to their coach's throat.

Rather they would touch the feet of their coaches.

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You know Basit's level of punditry is so poor that he doesn't see the irony in the criticism of Grant's playing career when discussing his coaching, when his own playing career was so awful.
 
There you go.

And on the other hand you have the likes of YK and Basit Ali.

I believe sachin use to call him SIR way past his retirement

Not that we are saying the two situations are similar but surely this proves the point you dont have to be a big name to be able to offer technical and mental advice

And even the best need advice ala tendulkar

Some respect should be shown to someone trying to help you not threatened with violence
 
In Yoni's case, as Saj also pointed out, it always seemed like the guy has a dual personality syndrome.

Very humble and sensible on some days and completely awkward and rude another day.
 
I believe sachin use to call him SIR way past his retirement

Not that we are saying the two situations are similar but surely this proves the point you dont have to be a big name to be able to offer technical and mental advice

And even the best need advice ala tendulkar

Some respect should be shown to someone trying to help you not threatened with violence

Big ego, head in the clouds.

Some players are good players, smile a lot, but the reality of their character is somewhat indifferent.
 
Even Virat Kohli apparently said same thing to Wasim Akram when Wasim asked what do you think of Pakistani young-ish batsmen such as Shehzad, Akmal, Nasir Jamshed etc. He apparently told Wasim that whenever he met Pakistani batsmen they have never asked a question about batting to him or the other senior Indian batsmen

They just wanted to know how to be popular on social media
 
Can't imagine the likes of Sachin and Dravid putting a knife to their coach's throat.

Rather they would touch the feet of their coaches.

I am sure Ind will have its share of nut cases, but at least in the media they across as intelligent and grounded. As much as I find Rameez annoying with his constant references to the "16 year fast bowler", he is probably the most calm( although he had his moment with MY a few a years ago) and dignified. If we look at the likes of Amir Sohail, MY, YK, Basit etc, we find absolute illiterate morons.
 
Absolute great players like Sachin have been coached by absolute nobodies like acchrekar and achieved greatness . This is a pathetic mentality to have

Secondly there is no reason a cricketer puts a knife to his coach's throat. Absolutely no reason. In most countries he will be thrown in jail.

And i love how you make excuses for Youniss temper. This is a dude who, when a fan accidently tripped against him, dragged the poor guy to the dressing room and beat him up

I don't agree with Basit regarding his point about being coached by inferior batsman.

I'm just glad he pointed out the one sided narrative from Grant Flower. As mentioned in my previous post, Younis Khan has acknowledged the work Grant Flower has put in to help him with his batting.
 
Absolute great players like Sachin have been coached by absolute nobodies like acchrekar and achieved greatness . This is a pathetic mentality to have

Secondly there is no reason a cricketer puts a knife to his coach's throat. Absolutely no reason. In most countries he will be thrown in jail.

And i love how you make excuses for Youniss temper. This is a dude who, when a fan accidently tripped against him, dragged the poor guy to the dressing room and beat him up

Not sure which country you are from but there are murderers in India and Pakistan that are roaming freely yet you are expecting someone like Younis Khan to be thrown into jail for putting his cutlery knife on Flower's throat? :inti
 
Not sure which country you are from but there are murderers in India and Pakistan that are roaming freely yet you are expecting someone like Younis Khan to be thrown into jail for putting his cutlery knife on Flower's throat? :inti

2 wrongs don’t make a right. Pretty much any civilised county in the world has laws which would send a person to jail for putting a knife to someone’s throat.
 
2 wrongs don’t make a right. Pretty much any civilised county in the world has laws which would send a person to jail for putting a knife to someone’s throat.

And worth noting this happened in Australia and not in Pakistan.

If Flower had gone to the police, who knows what could have happened.
 
And worth noting this happened in Australia and not in Pakistan.

If Flower had gone to the police, who knows what could have happened.

Very true, I didn’t even think of that.

So if anything, Younis owes a lot of gratitude to Flower for burying this under the carpet and allowing Younis to finish off his career while still respected.

Now he has simply mentioned this in passing, it hurts Younis’ reputation somewhat but that’s all. Small price to pay for committing a crime.
 
Basit is talking nonsense as usual, and as MMHS said, you can see why he flopped in spite of possessing bags of talent.

However, Flower’s credentials as batting coach and his tenure with Pakistan needs to be questioned.

He spent 7 years with the batsmen but our collective batting did not improve an inch, and you have to question his impact on Babar if any.

Flower escaped criticism and accountability because he either slipped under the radar and did not assume a prominent role, or he ended up hiding behind Arthur.

Although he was appointed before Arthur, he quickly became a backroom staff for Arthur and has now conveniently moved to Sri Lanka to once again hide behind him.

He completely lacks presence and character and is so innocuous that you can forget if he is even there. I would love to see any videos of him working with the batsmen because I don’t think he ever managed to impose himself on them and build a connection.

Steve Rixon was also part of Arthur’s team but he had a big personality and you could see the impact that he made.

Arthur received a lot of flak (and rightly so) but no one raised question marks on Flower and his role in the batting collapses.

He did not get grilled by the media or the fans and the worst punishment that he got was getting his contract quietly terminated by PCB.
 
Suffers from Bi polar?

Bit sad because from an Indian perspective, this is an ideal Pakistani opponent. A hard competitor on the field but no verbals, no non sense outside the ground.

Younis Khan is a kind of cricketer, an opposition player and fan respects.

But then he does these odd things

Really something wrong
 
In 2016 I saw YK working closely with GF at Worcester. He worked for an hour or so because YK kept jumping around at the crease. I actually filmed the session on the ipad, unfortunately I got locked out of the Ipad and could never get onto it again , otherwise I would have posted it on here
 
Bit sad because from an Indian perspective, this is an ideal Pakistani opponent. A hard competitor on the field but no verbals, no non sense outside the ground.

Younis Khan is a kind of cricketer, an opposition player and fan respects.

But then he does these odd things

Really something wrong

Younis Khan was one of my favorite batsmen not just from Pakistan, but from the entire world. He was an always smiling, hardworking good fielder too. He had improved a lot during Bob Woolmer's tenure.

But his occasional emotional outbursts brought down his stature. Putting a knife on your coach's throat, for that matter anyone is simply an unacceptable behavior. Coach or Team Management should have taken action on this when it happened. Basit Ali supporting this behavior is just plain disgusting.
 
Mickey Arthur was not a great player in his days. But he helped Pakistan, with an or ordinary side, to clinch the Champions Trophy, annihilating the hot favourites in the final

Best coaches and best players are generally exclusive. Best coaches have a good understanding of what players need to do in order to be successful. An athlete's success is to do with
1) Their innate talent
2) Their mental strength
3) Work ethic
Yes players understand the game better but success in coaching and as. Player are different things.

Courtney Walsh was a bona fide legend but he was an ordinary coach. Heath Streak was no legend but he was a great asset to BD cricket. Under Heath we had a solid pace bowling attack, good enough to be neck-neck against other bowling attacks in LOIs. Once he left our pace unit became rubbish again in LOIs, under Walsh.
 
In 2016 I saw YK working closely with GF at Worcester. He worked for an hour or so because YK kept jumping around at the crease. I actually filmed the session on the ipad, unfortunately I got locked out of the Ipad and could never get onto it again , otherwise I would have posted it on here

I was there watching the same net session. It was fascinating

Younis had been struggling badly, jumping all over the crease and Grant was trying to get him to reduce the movement.

I recall the stupid PCB security guy arguing with people saying no filming, when it was an open session in full public view.
 
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I was there watching the same net session. It was fascinating

Younis had been struggling badly, jumping all over the crease and Grant was trying to get him to reduce the movement.

I recall the stupid PCB security guy arguing with people saying no filming, when it was an open session in full public view.
It was fascinating watching YK an experienced player struggling badly with his balance and movement and working with a coach.
I did manage to film it, from right behind the batsman. As my lad had been a Worcester age group player, he got to bowl at Zulfiqar Babar and get some tips from Mushi.
 
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