Pakistan deserve 7th position in ICC's Test rankings

[shaaik]

I have watched nearly every innings of his since summer of 2010, and I can say with confidence that he is the biggest match-loser in Test cricket. In 8 years, he has directly influenced only one win, i.e. Sharjah 2014.

If you want to beat Pakistan, keep him at the crease for as long as possible. It doesn’t matter how many runs he scores, they will all be dead runs.

He also won us a test in his debut series in England against Australia. Agreed, he is not an impact player but someone who the other batsmen can play around but his problems get compounded when he has completely inept batsmen playing with him. He is in the team for a reason, a role that is given to him by the management that he needs to occupy the crease and hold one end so that others can bat around him but lately he seems to have lost it completely. May be age catching up on him, he never was a match winner and never will be but he is someone who could set it up for other batsmen by taking the shine off the new ball. His partnership with Shafiq was really impressive today and they should have and would have sealed the deal for us but Shafeeq had a lapse in concentration and he threw his wicket away on a nothing delivery and then Babar's run out set the cat among the pigeon and it was all down hill from there. we also made a cardinal error of batting Bilal ahead of Yasir after having seen them bat in the first innings. Not Yasir is some breadman with the bat but could have partnered Azhar slightly better had he batted before Bilal, only perhaps though.

 

[Sachin136]

Pak is the best overseas touring Test side in the last few years.

IND ne naak katwai hai Asian teams ki, outside Asia.

Pakistan was whitewashed on their last tours of Aus, NZ, and SA. How are they the best touring side? Please remember that there are countries other than England.

 

[Hasan123]

We deserve this humiliation

We don't deserve the humiliation. But bhai when I am saying be wary it's for a reason

Ultimately that big partnership by Watling and Nicholls has played a part in NZ winning. Now you can see why I was unhappy with the captaincy.

 

[jusarrived]

I doubt India would have chased this 4th inning total .

 

[Amjid Javed]

Cant believe some PPers actually thought we would beat New zealand 3-0 or 2-0. Clearly cant see how pathetic our batting is in test cricket since YK and Misbahs retirement.

 

[the Great Khan]

Cant believe some PPers actually thought we would beat New zealand 3-0 or 2-0. Clearly cant see how pathetic our batting is in test cricket since YK and Misbahs retirement.

as usual they get emotional at every stage of a series. Before the series its 3-0 and we will smash them etc. after a loss its sack them all..brainless.. I was expecting a very close test match as soon as we lost the initiative in the first innings. This was a tricky pitch for our youngsters who have not faced this pressure before.

We have to stick to them and give them a chance. Visible improvements in many players. Hasan Ali, Babar and even Imam in phases. Lets give them a chance..the next few years will be painful but the rankings mean diddly squat now because of the test championship. Thats all that matters now.

 

[Abdullah Rabbani]

Not bad then sri lanka whitewash,
If you don't put player's on merit and destroy there careers on like and dislike i know this is not first defeat many more to come until it sport run by morons....

Imam,hafeez,bilal, and satfraz are they on merit ? also asad and azhar are bad in domestic

 

[jusarrived]

Just to add , Pak test team is overrated by their fans ..but this loss of was far from humiliating . it was a great match , may be the collapse was funny from a neutrals perspective ..but not a match Pak fans should sulk about.

 

[jusarrived]

Pakistan was whitewashed on their last tours of Aus, NZ, and SA. How are they the best touring side? Please remember that there are countries other than England.

May be cos they drew in Zim and beat Ire ?

 

[Usman Chadda]

We don't deserve the humiliation. But bhai when I am saying be wary it's for a reason

Ultimately that big partnership by Watling and Nicholls has played a part in NZ winning. Now you can see why I was unhappy with the captaincy.

Our batsmen lost us the game mere bhai. Without Fakhar, the batting line-up looks sad.

 

[Hasan123]

Our batsmen lost us the game mere bhai. Without Fakhar, the batting line-up looks sad.

Sarfraz so called good player of spin also played a part in that. Azhar batting towards the end was pathetic and Haris giving his wicket away was embrassing as well.

 

[the_outsider]

I doubt India would have chased this 4th inning total .

In England, it would be 50-50 for sure.

But no way would India mess up a chase of 170 at home. That too on a day 4 pitch.

 

[jusarrived]

In England, it would be 50-50 for sure.

But no way would India mess up a chase of 170 at home. That too on a day 4 pitch.

We dont play spin that well . I can imagine any ordinary spinners choking our stroke makers ( except for Virat and Pujara ) with some disciplined bowling .

 

[the_outsider]

We dont play spin that well . I can imagine any ordinary spinners choking our stroke makers ( except for Virat and Pujara ) with some disciplined bowling .

Nonsense. How does a team have a home record like India's on Indian pitches if they are poor players of spin?

Can you show me any data which suggests your claim?

 

[WengerOut]

Nonsense. How does a team have a home record like India's on Indian pitches if they are poor players of spin?

Can you show me any data which suggests your claim?

India can't play spin, can't play swing : but somehow they are winning.

 

[jusarrived]

Nonsense. How does a team have a home record like India's on Indian pitches if they are poor players of spin?

Can you show me any data which suggests your claim?

Am talking about the current team and have you see thme play Moeen Ali ? . Rahane , Dhawan , Rohit etc are extremely poor players of spin . KL and VJ are decent . Virat is good . Pujara is one of the best ever . Thats an average batting lineup against spin.
We win cos the opposition is much worse and there are no Muralis or Shane warnes around anymore .

 

[the_outsider]

Am talking about the current team and have you see thme play Moeen Ali ? . Rahane , Dhawan , Rohit etc are extremely poor players of spin . KL and VJ are decent . Virat is good . Pujara is one of the best ever . Thats an average batting lineup against spin.
We win cos the opposition is much worse and there are no Muralis or Shane warnes around anymore .

So basically you have anecdotal evidence. No actual stat to prove your claim.

The same Mooen Ali when he came to India averaged 65 with the ball.

What you are going by is one or two instances over a 6-7 year period. Those are the exceptions not the norm. You don't play test cricket for India if you can't play spin well. You wil never progress beyond the Indian FC level that is just swarming with spinners.

I can't even begin to imagine what logic you used to come to the conclusion that this Indian team cannot play spin.

 

[the_outsider]

India can't play spin, can't play swing : but somehow they are winning.

Indian FC is filled with more spinners than rest of the world combined. India have not lost a home series in 6 years. But Indians are poor players of spin.

 

[WengerOut]

Indian FC is filled with more spinners than rest of the world combined. India have not lost a home series in 6 years. But Indians are poor players of spin.

I read in some other thread that Indians don't play bounce that well either. Some team this!!

 

[Hawkeye]

Pakistan was whitewashed on their last tours of Aus, NZ, and SA. How are they the best touring side? Please remember that there are countries other than England.

Oh really? How about losing everywhere then?

We are competitive at least in England - unlike IND, on a losing streak everywhere overseas.

 

[Hawkeye]

Just to add , Pak test team is overrated by their fans ..but this loss of was far from humiliating . it was a great match , may be the collapse was funny from a neutrals perspective ..but not a match Pak fans should sulk about.

Come on now. No consolation will help.

 

[Balthazar]

True. I don't see Pakistan winning against top teams anywhere in the world even in UAE. Bangla, WI, SL and Pak are all at the same level.

 

[Hasan123]

Our batting is rubbish. Can't play pace and lack ability to build a test innings. No support for Yasir in the spin department . Our captain is clueless and doesn't make the team on merit. Changes need to be made but don't see them happening.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Oh really? How about losing everywhere then?

We are competitive at least in England - unlike IND, on a losing streak everywhere overseas.

There's a difference between losing and getting whitewashed in countries. Last 3 tours in the southern hemisphere have been dreadful for Pakistan . 8 zip in 8 matches. The only reason some of you don't rate draws or dead rubbers is because Pakistan can't even do that these days.

 

[Usman Chadda]

There's a difference between losing and getting whitewashed in countries. Last 3 tours in the southern hemisphere have been dreadful for Pakistan . 8 zip in 8 matches. The only reason some of you don't rate draws or dead rubbers is because Pakistan can't even do that these days.

Says a lot about Indian and Pakistani fans when they are chest-thumping on who has lost where better than the other

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Says a lot about Indian and Pakistani fans when they are chest-thumping on who has lost where better than the other

True. Both Pakistan and India are terrible in SENA countries and it's useless to compare. The real comparison in this era of home dominance is home tests.

 

[Miandad_fan_number_one]

People saying this is wrist slitting from Pak fans. Maybe there are some pessimistic fans out there but you have to understand that we had to make 20 runs with 4/5 wickets in hand on a wicket that was fairly good for batting. To add to that we were in control for most of the test and we lost it in on session. Bilal needs to go, Fakhar needs to come back in for one of the openers possibly Hafeez and a backup keeper needs to be introduced ASAP to keep the captain on his toes.

 

[mystical man]

I doubt India would have chased this 4th inning total .

And who would bowl them out?Patel Saab or Ish Sodhi who was dusted into ground by India in India on spinning tracks...

 

[BreadPakoda]

Need to win the game to bust this theory. Losing to mid rank team at home is horrific in today's time, especially when you win nothing abroad.

 

[MenInG]

Really sad to see Pakistan in this way.

 

[Itachi]

It's just 2 wickets. I think Pakistan can easily draw this game. Not the result one might have wanted but definitely it doesn't show THAT much of poor display.

 

[ikky47]

It's just 2 wickets. I think Pakistan can easily draw this game. Not the result one might have wanted but definitely it doesn't show THAT much of poor display.

Make it 3 only a matter time before we fold for under 150.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

It's just 2 wickets. I think Pakistan can easily draw this game. Not the result one might have wanted but definitely it doesn't show THAT much of poor display.

Now it's 4

 

[Varun]

Make it 3 only a matter time before we fold for under 150.

Pakistan need to get their head together, bat out the next 30 overs and the pressure will be on NZ.

 

[ikky47]

Pakistan need to get their head together, bat out the next 30 overs and the pressure will be on NZ.

We will be lucky to bat out the next 15 with our tail starting after number 6.

 

[ARK Rafay]

No doubt about it. No. 7 feels like a genuine spot

 

[DRsohail]

Even 8th with Bangladesh above us is not bad .

 

[Varun]

fluke from NZ..doesnt count..lol

2 flukes by NZ in a 3 test series, or 1 fluke by Pakistan?

 

[aukhan]

Thank you Sarfraz.

 

[the Great Khan]

2 flukes by NZ in a 3 test series, or 1 fluke by Pakistan?

first match was a match we should have won even till the end..second match we won, third match NZ finally figured out how to win..lol..but every win is a fluke..didnt you know that??