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Pakistan Fans, Honest Question: How would you feel if Babar Azam & Mohammad Rizwan were to make their return to the Pakistani side?

Rizwan as a T20I cricketer is finished. The game has moved on and he doesn't have ability to reinvent his game for modern T20I

Babar has the talent to adapt but I do not think he has the mindset to go hard. When in pressure he will revert to type. I do not think Pakistan should go back to him even if youngsters fail.
 
cricketmania22 said:
Who will be his replacement?
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Exactly. IN ODis??? Who is it gonna be.... Farhan??? Nope, he is not a keeper for a longer format. Haris??

I know, people will hype him because he scored a century in t20s but ODI is a different ball game. Not sure Haris is gonna stay relevant in ODIs but anyway.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Exactly. IN ODis??? Who is it gonna be.... Farhan??? Nope, he is not a keeper for a longer format. Haris??

I know, people will hype him because he scored a century in t20s but ODI is a different ball game. Not sure Haris is gonna stay relevant in ODIs but anyway.
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I don’t think Harris will even succeed in T20s let alone ODIs. They need to scout someone from first class level.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Exactly. IN ODis??? Who is it gonna be.... Farhan??? Nope, he is not a keeper for a longer format. Haris??

I know, people will hype him because he scored a century in t20s but ODI is a different ball game. Not sure Haris is gonna stay relevant in ODIs but anyway.
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Why do we need a no 4 batters as a keeper?

Why can't we have agha become a no 4, a position in which he 100% belongs and have haris bat at no 7 as a finisher role?
 
I don't expect Rizwan and Babar to return to international T20. Pakistan seemed to have moved on from them in T20 format.

Pakistan's top 6 in T20 should be --> Farhan, Saim, Fakhar, Haris, Hassan Nawaz, Agha.

So, no room for Rizwan and Babar.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Understandable from T20s but I don't think Rizwan is gonna get dropped from ODIs.
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I think it's all about getting most of the players.Agha should be batting at 4 and Hassan at 5 then you need someone who can get quick runs and that should be Haris.
 
sweep_shot said:
I don't expect Rizwan and Babar to return to international T20. Pakistan seemed to have moved on from them in T20 format.

Pakistan's top 6 in T20 should be --> Farhan, Saim, Fakhar, Haris, Hassan Nawaz, Agha.

So, no room for Rizwan and Babar.
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Yes and Shadab should bat at 7 and not in the top 5 like he wants to.
 
They are not coming back...not now. They need to be on merit for this. Although merit and PCB works different but we don't need hype and gut feeling to select them again.
 
heddie19 said:
Absolutely he is going to spend more time on crease than Stoinis, Maxwell, Inglis etc. combined.
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So he will cause more destruction than those guys because he will spend more time at the crease?
 
M haris doesnt avg more than 30 in any form of cricket. Be it domestic or intl. Odi, list a, fc, t20s, t20i. Everywhere he avg less than 20. Afridi avd 23 with higher sr and he was criticised alot for it and he was also a bowler, a very good bowler. And now we want haris in odis without any reason.

Everyone talks about merit here so if u really wanna have someone in team then it should be haseebullah in odis. He played good odi cricket in domestics and deserves his chance ahead of haris. T20s arent his firmat and he need to be tested in his best format and that is odis.

Let haris play t20s for now
 
Hyder said:
M haris doesnt avg more than 30 in any form of cricket. Be it domestic or intl. Odi, list a, fc, t20s, t20i. Everywhere he avg less than 20. Afridi avd 23 with higher sr and he was criticised alot for it and he was also a bowler, a very good bowler. And now we want haris in odis without any reason.

Everyone talks about merit here so if u really wanna have someone in team then it should be haseebullah in odis. He played good odi cricket in domestics and deserves his chance ahead of haris. T20s arent his firmat and he need to be tested in his best format and that is odis.

Let haris play t20s for now
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The legend of Hasebullah who Averages 0 in international odi wah ji wah.

I've seen his strike rate, and his technique in fc, hes rubbish.

Averaging 50 in list A against the attacks he averages against isnt anything special. Has always been rubbish in psl, was rubbish in the Champions one day cup which featured our players who actually represent our team etc etc.

Get off cricinfo and actually use your brain for once. He is basically shan masood 2.0 except has rizwan level strike rate slow speed since shan still tries to bazzball in tests and has failed mostly but on occasions has scored a few rapid fire 50's and in extremely rare occasions rapid fire 100's in test.

Shan Masood avg avg 58 in List A pre debut. Yet anyone who watched him would know hes far far worse then the likes of saim ayub who averages 44 in list A.
 
mominsaigol said:
The legend of Hasebullah who Averages 0 in international odi wah ji wah.

I've seen his strike rate, and his technique in fc, hes rubbish.

Averaging 50 in list A against the attacks he averages against isnt anything special. Has always been rubbish in psl, was rubbish in the Champions one day cup which featured our players who actually represent our team etc etc.

Get off cricinfo and actually use your brain for once. He is basically shan masood 2.0 except has rizwan level strike rate slow speed since shan still tries to bazzball in tests and has failed mostly but on occasions has scored a few rapid fire 50's and in extremely rare occasions rapid fire 100's in test.

Shan Masood avg avg 58 in List A pre debut. Yet anyone who watched him would know hes far far worse then the likes of saim ayub who averages 44 in list A.
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And haris avg less than 30 against same bowlers
Logic 🤡
 
Rana said:
So we should replace Harris with Haseebullah and repeat the same mistake we made by trusting Rizwan?
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Replace haris?? When was he part of odis.??
Question was if u want to replace rizwan who should be the wk bat.
 
Hyder said:
Replace haris?? When was he part of odis.??
Question was if u want to replace rizwan who should be the wk bat.
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Yes I want to replace Rizwan at number 4 with a proper batsman.

Ideally either one of Agha, Nawaz, Tayyab, Kamran

Don’t mind anyone. They should be a proper middle order batsmen, not someone’s darling like Rizwan is.

And then you put Harris as your keeper+bat at number 6 or 7.
 
he will score more runs, he will avg more, he will be more consistent, he will be more reliable.
Rana said:
So he will cause more destruction than those guys because he will spend more time at the crease?
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Hyder said:
M haris doesnt avg more than 30 in any form of cricket. Be it domestic or intl. Odi, list a, fc, t20s, t20i. Everywhere he avg less than 20. Afridi avd 23 with higher sr and he was criticised alot for it and he was also a bowler, a very good bowler. And now we want haris in odis without any reason.

Everyone talks about merit here so if u really wanna have someone in team then it should be haseebullah in odis. He played good odi cricket in domestics and deserves his chance ahead of haris. T20s arent his firmat and he need to be tested in his best format and that is odis.

Let haris play t20s for now
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We're will Haseebullah bat ?
 
Babar and Rizwan have often been labeled as “anchors” — a tag that’s become borderline derogatory in the modern T20 era. But what if that anchor evolved into a power anchor?

Players like Virat Kohli and Kane Williamson have adapted their games — Babar and Rizwan aren’t far off in talent. It’s mindset and intent that’s missing, not skill.

Pakistan’s top order has lacked consistency and aggression. Babar and Rizwan bring the first — if they add the second, they become indispensable.

Imagine Rizwan as a rotating strike machine with 140+ SR, and Babar targeting the V with more calculated aggression — the duo could offer a new brand of T20 cricket that merges stability and explosiveness.

If they don’t adapt, then not only should they be benched — they risk becoming symbols of a bygone era holding the team back. Because in modern T20, playing at a 120–125 strike rate at the top is like bowling 130 kph in death overs — neat, but ineffective.
 
Deewana Mastana said:
Babar and Rizwan have often been labeled as “anchors” — a tag that’s become borderline derogatory in the modern T20 era. But what if that anchor evolved into a power anchor?

Players like Virat Kohli and Kane Williamson have adapted their games — Babar and Rizwan aren’t far off in talent. It’s mindset and intent that’s missing, not skill.

Pakistan’s top order has lacked consistency and aggression. Babar and Rizwan bring the first — if they add the second, they become indispensable.

Imagine Rizwan as a rotating strike machine with 140+ SR, and Babar targeting the V with more calculated aggression — the duo could offer a new brand of T20 cricket that merges stability and explosiveness.

If they don’t adapt, then not only should they be benched — they risk becoming symbols of a bygone era holding the team back. Because in modern T20, playing at a 120–125 strike rate at the top is like bowling 130 kph in death overs — neat, but ineffective.
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Babar and Rizwan should not be paired in one sentence.

Babar is a very talented batsmen. I get alot of criticism on this forumn by posters such as @gazza619 and @Hyder for hating Babar, Which is fine, no disrespect to those 2, im sure they have their reasons for critiquing me.

But thats because I believe rizwan + Ramiz + Misbah ruined him.

Not because I dont view him as talented. Yes he was overrated in that he was never the best talent in the world or the 2nd coming of kohli.

Babar Azam at an early age hit 3 back to back centuries in odi cricket, something no other cricketer has achieved. The quality of the attack does not matter as the likes of Ab de villers have played West indies and B team Australia multiple times, Aka same attack, same pitches.

Many teams have played vs minnows yet only babar managed to achieve this feat. His 2019 century is insanely good against NZ. Pitch was really difficult and NZ attack was extremely good.

He has also solid knocks against Sri Lanka and England featuring england bowlers in their primes. His 2017 century vs Aus is very good.

People hate it due to pakistan losing but chasing 350 is extremely hard and literally no one supported him. You always need atleast 2 batters to support you in monster 350 chases.

The issue is his form went down the drain to the point that he cant even score against Bangladesh on absolute road pitches in his home den in test cricket. He has shown flashes of brilliance in odi only since then but test and t20 are nil.

I 100% blame rizwan, Misbah and ramiz as the culprits.

Now as for rizwan. Rizwan is a crappie batsmen. He can play well in test cricket since deapite being limited he has mastered his legside strokes hence he can leave the offside alone.

But in odi and t20 his offside game gets exposed each and every time. Rizzu has one purple patch run in t20 in 2021 and one purple patch run in pdi in 2023.

But besides that he's been filth. But pakistan doesnt have any replacements in odi for rizzu atm. Haris is a good replacement In t20 as t20 os about hack and slash but he cant replace rizwan in odi even if he was to bat at no 7.

Since rizzu's replacements at no 4/5 like hasan nawaz are t20 material, Saud is unsuited for odi, KG and Agha are the only options but agha has made no 5 his own and KG is unproven and hasnt capitalised the opportunity given to him.
 
mominsaigol said:
Babar and Rizwan should not be paired in one sentence.

Babar is a very talented batsmen. I get alot of criticism on this forumn by posters such as @gazza619 and @Hyder for hating Babar, Which is fine, no disrespect to those 2, im sure they have their reasons for critiquing me.

But thats because I believe rizwan + Ramiz + Misbah ruined him.

Not because I dont view him as talented. Yes he was overrated in that he was never the best talent in the world or the 2nd coming of kohli.

Babar Azam at an early age hit 3 back to back centuries in odi cricket, something no other cricketer has achieved. The quality of the attack does not matter as the likes of Ab de villers have played West indies and B team Australia multiple times, Aka same attack, same pitches.

Many teams have played vs minnows yet only babar managed to achieve this feat. His 2019 century is insanely good against NZ. Pitch was really difficult and NZ attack was extremely good.

He has also solid knocks against Sri Lanka and England featuring england bowlers in their primes. His 2017 century vs Aus is very good.

People hate it due to pakistan losing but chasing 350 is extremely hard and literally no one supported him. You always need atleast 2 batters to support you in monster 350 chases.

The issue is his form went down the drain to the point that he cant even score against Bangladesh on absolute road pitches in his home den in test cricket. He has shown flashes of brilliance in odi only since then but test and t20 are nil.

I 100% blame rizwan, Misbah and ramiz as the culprits.

Now as for rizwan. Rizwan is a crappie batsmen. He can play well in test cricket since deapite being limited he has mastered his legside strokes hence he can leave the offside alone.

But in odi and t20 his offside game gets exposed each and every time. Rizzu has one purple patch run in t20 in 2021 and one purple patch run in pdi in 2023.

But besides that he's been filth. But pakistan doesnt have any replacements in odi for rizzu atm. Haris is a good replacement In t20 as t20 os about hack and slash but he cant replace rizwan in odi even if he was to bat at no 7.

Since rizzu's replacements at no 4/5 like hasan nawaz are t20 material, Saud is unsuited for odi, KG and Agha are the only options but agha has made no 5 his own and KG is unproven and hasnt capitalised the opportunity given to him.
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KG i feel is over rated a lil bit. Agha is better than KG alot and in new pakistan team KG doesn't deserve a spot in odis.

Saim
Fakhar
Babar
Hassan Nawaz(i feel he be the spin basher in team)
Agha/Riz
Agha/Riz
At 7 we have khushdil shadab or some new faces that they can try. Abdul samad isnt ready for this spot as of now. Maybe niazi too if they trust saim agha niazi as 5th bowler.

Theres no place for KG
 
Hyder said:
KG i feel is over rated a lil bit. Agha is better than KG alot and in new pakistan team KG doesn't deserve a spot in odis.

Saim
Fakhar
Babar
Hassan Nawaz(i feel he be the spin basher in team)
Agha/Riz
Agha/Riz
At 7 we have khushdil shadab or some new faces that they can try. Abdul samad isnt ready for this spot as of now. Maybe niazi too if they trust saim agha niazi as 5th bowler.

Theres no place for KG
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KG is overrated because people want to replace babar with KG or rizwan with KG.

While I am fine with the decison it logically doesnt make much sense and this is coming from a guy who despises rizwan.

The issue with rizwan is that their aren't any middle order replacements. Despite my criticism he is still a better batsmen then saud(odi), Tayyab Tahir, Iftikhar Ahmed, Shadab and many of thr other rubbish we have had.

Hasan Nawaz, Haris, KG and Agha are solid replacements.

Agha is comfortable at no 5 and is already mainstay in the team.

Not sure if nawaz or haris can replicate their recent t20 form in odi, might be worth giving a try.

KG is another option but he hasnt impressed so far. He had a solid innings at no 6 and a century vs Zimbabwe but it doesnt displace Rizwam and Agha scoring 2 centuries vs SA even if it was a weak sa attack.

I do want Hasan nawaz ir Haris in the odi team though, but at no 7. I think they can be good finishers in odi.

However Kamran Ghulam should be in the test team. Dropping from test will be unfair when he

A) Played on Pakistani dustbowls, avg 30 on dustobowls where every tom dick and harry is avg 20-30 isnt bad.

B) Played the other 2 games in South Africa. Even YK has been dreadful in sa. Nisbah was god awful their too. I believe inzi was well. Not a fair metric to judge on.

It'll be better to evaluate him in England.

Besides he needs to be our no 3. Shan massod needs to be kicked to the curb for good. That English speaking mile breadley captain experiment has clearly failed.
 
Both are unlikely for Bangladesh t20Is acc to some reports (not yet official though). How are you feeling Rizbar fans?
 
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