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Pakistan has been minnow bashing for the last one year. Batting finally getting exposed?

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We did not play a single top team in the last one year.

The one team we did - New Zealand, they WHITEWASHED us. Run fests against Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka have made us forget something.

We're still a weak batting side. Most of our batsmen cannot play pace bowling, even if it's on dead wickets.

Finally getting exposed.
 
Arham_PakFan said:
We have lost 2 wickets, overreaction
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So who else is left in the batting, apart from Babar?

And, it's criminal to get out in such a fashion for those two batsmen. Got rattled by Bumrah's pace. And BK's good length.

They will not always get to face minnow bowling.
 
The game has just begun.

On the basis of the England tour, the Indian team can't chase squat. Pakistan with the advantage here.
 
Can someone stop this propaganda broadcast? Imagine comparing Dubai to Eden Garden, Lords, Gaddafi
 
Nothing's getting exposed. Our batting isn't strong enough and we need to strengthen it. But we're more consistent of late even against better opposition as the averages show.
 
Crucial over for us, perhaps last of the spell from Bumrah. Will be great if he could strike
 
Batting is incredibly weak again especially the middle order. Is Harris Sohail injured again or is this pathetic batting line up the best we have?
 
Still remember Malik's knock in 2009 CT, kept cutting the offies Bhajji and Yusuf to the third man fence. Can't allow a repeat
 
cricketindiafan said:
Still remember Malik's knock in 2009 CT, kept cutting the offies Bhajji and Yusuf to the third man fence. Can't allow a repeat
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I've never seen that many late-cut shots in my life

I think Dhoni said the same thing in the post match interview
 
5-0 in NZ was a good representation of where Pakistan stand today. Still, it was a great little run in CT 2017, and definitely something Pakistani fans can be proud of.
 
Reality check for deluded fans on this platform... A Kohli-less India is taking Pakistan to the cleaners... awqaat shown
 
Irresponsible cricket from our openers. Yes, their opening bowlers had us under pressure, but you could off been patient and looked for the bad balls. The field would have opened up after the powerplay and singles available. Rest of the wickets have been poor shot selection.
 
If you lose three wickets to Kedar Jadhav, you know you’ve had a nightmare of a day. If Pakistan continues to show this performance, then this thread will have merit.
 
sarfraz is a specialist captain and he should just open.

Whether he scores or not won't matter as much as an opener, as opposed to failing down the order at 5.

Pak need some aggressive middle order batsman at no. 4 because there is too much reliance on Zaman to score quick, whilst the rest like Babar, Malik, Haris etc are accumulators and Asif is more of a T20 batsman, meaning only good for quick 30's or so.
 
It is a very inexperienced batting line up so it is not as if such a collapse was completely unexpected. This team is very much work in progress despite having some good young players.
 
It's just a bad day and luckily this is just a dead rubber. 3 wickets to Jadev most useless bowler says it all. Guy bowls with 5 different actions in 1 over.
One must appriciate Imam slow careful nature. Look what happens when there is no one to hold the batting together.
 
Our batting was never good even in Miandad, Hanif time. Its the bowling keep bailing us out, but now-a-days its also average.
Need to get rid of Imam first, then Sarfraz and Asif.
 
Poor from Pakistan but everyone who’s watched cricket for at least half a decade expected this.
 
Lol Bangladesh and Afghanistan given their recent form will not be push overs either.
 
I was not surprised at all. I think we are lucky enough to score 160+. Our batting is even weaker than that. Apart from Fakhar and Babar all are useless batters.
 
Hawkeye said:
I agree.

And we've consistently been bad against top3-4 sides. One off fluke win does not matter.

We've been losing matches, series.
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There was a time where we lost matches to Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, etc.

Be patient.
 
There has been no planning in how to approach the innings at all. Why are we continuing to persevere with that loser Imam-ul-Haq who always gives us a bad start? We are about two senior batsmen short right in the middle. Sarfaraz the keeper is not a number 5 batsman for goodness sake that is normally occupied by the best in the team. Umar Akmal couldn't have done any worse compared to the garbage batting we have seen then Haris was also not selected. I am serious as sin when saying the team has 7 tailenders.
 
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Sarfaraz in the middle order is the critical problem which pakistan has to bare no matter what... Can't drop the Captain... Can u ?
 
It’s a big challenge for countries like Pakistan. We are not going to get enough cricket against big boys and our itinerary will always be full series against Sri Lanka Bangladesh West Indies and Zimbabwe, bookended by a tough tour to the bigger teams.
It’s important for Pakistan’s players and Managment to assess their players and their performances keeping in mind the quality of the opposition we play
 
Batting is incredibly weak, Batsman # 5 & # 6 are Sarfraz & Asif Ali. Should be Hafeez & Haris Sohail. Can't Play 50 over with just 4 frontline batsmen especially when one of them is Fakhar. Fakhar takes risk that is how he plays.
 
Shafi said:
Our batting was never good even in Miandad, Hanif time. Its the bowling keep bailing us out, but now-a-days its also average.
Need to get rid of Imam first, then Sarfraz and Asif.
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Lol, what?!
Sarfraz is the best captain in the world.
 
cricketAXEpert said:
Batting is incredibly weak, Batsman # 5 & # 6 are Sarfraz & Asif Ali. Should be Hafeez & Haris Sohail. Can't Play 50 over with just 4 frontline batsmen especially when one of them is Fakhar. Fakhar takes risk that is how he plays.
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If you need someone to consolidate at 4 down then you can never be a top 3 side. Asif Ali can hit and that is what is required at lower middle order in modern day cricket.
 
I couldn't believe when I saw our batting line up before the match started. Full of bad players and inexperienced ones.
 
Pete Rose said:
It’s a big challenge for countries like Pakistan. We are not going to get enough cricket against big boys and our itinerary will always be full series against Sri Lanka Bangladesh West Indies and Zimbabwe, bookended by a tough tour to the bigger teams.
It’s important for Pakistan’s players and Managment to assess their players and their performances keeping in mind the quality of the opposition we play
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Not Bangladesh bro..... we played last time 3.5 years back, and might not play again in next 3.5 years.

The bold line works both ways though, particularly the underlined part ..........
 
Hawkeye said:
We did not play a single top team in the last one year.

The one team we did - New Zealand, they WHITEWASHED us. Run fests against Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka have made us forget something.

We're still a weak batting side. Most of our batsmen cannot play pace bowling, even if it's on dead wickets.

Finally getting exposed.
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First we have to get rid of Shoaib Malik hopefully.
 
MMHS said:
Not Bangladesh bro..... we played last time 3.5 years back, and might not play again in next 3.5 years.

The bold line works both ways though, particularly the underlined part ..........
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yes, agree.
 
One Bad Day against India does not make Pakistan into a bad team.They did better against Hong-Kong than India
 
As I said before, Shadab and Fahim are batting a couple of positions above their capability. They are nowhere near good enough to be batting at 7 and 8.
 
mystical man said:
One Bad Day against India does not make Pakistan into a bad team.They did better against Hong-Kong than India
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Agree but one bad day at CT Final does not make India bad either, right? But from past 14-15 months...we were being told how superior Pak has become bcoz they beat Ind in CT Final.
 
Mamoon said:
As I said before, Shadab and Fahim are batting a couple of positions above their capability. They are nowhere near good enough to be batting at 7 and 8.
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they havent played more than 20 games yet. too early to say.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Agree but one bad day at CT Final does not make India bad either, right? But from past 14-15 months...we were being told how superior Pak has become bcoz they beat Ind in CT Final.
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The celebration was for being the last team to win the CT and the fact Pakistan as a team hadn't won anything major for a long time.
 
mystical man said:
One Bad Day against India does not make Pakistan into a bad team.They did better against Hong-Kong than India
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This is actually a typical day for Pakistan against top sides. CT 2017 was more of this -

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Mamoon said:
As I said before, Shadab and Fahim are batting a couple of positions above their capability. They are nowhere near good enough to be batting at 7 and 8.
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Yes, but they're not the biggest issue right now in batting IMO.

HIgher priorities to fix first.. too many spin-only accumulators till top 6.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Agree but one bad day at CT Final does not make India bad either, right? But from past 14-15 months...we were being told how superior Pak has become bcoz they beat Ind in CT Final.
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Fair Enough but i am still hounded by the performance in England...Selectors ,Coach and the Captain still have a tunnel vision for this Indian Team..
 
Don't understand this Pakistani obsession with pairing a powerful opener with a "stabilising" opener.

England have Roy and Bairstow, India have Sharma and Dhawan, NZ have Guptill and Munro.

We however are solely relying on Fakhar for fast starts - despite Fakhar struggling for fluency on these slow UAE wickets. All the pressure is on him to deliver the early impetus and if he fails - then what you saw today happens where we're 4-2 after 5 overs.

We wasted the Zimbabwe tour on a grinder like Imam who boosted his average against a weakened minnow attack whilst Sahibzada Farhan's rear end was catching splinters from the bench.
 
Savak said:
The celebration was for being the last team to win the CT and the fact Pakistan as a team hadn't won anything major for a long time.
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But your captain and coach are giving the youngsters a chance to evolve which is missing in the Indian outfit and will haunt us in the near future.Still cannot believe Uncle Rayudu,Kartik and Jadhav get a chance while Pant who hit a gutsy century along with Vihari are made to sit and warm the bench...
 
mystical man said:
Still cannot believe Uncle Rayudu,Kartik and Jadhav get a chance while Pant who hit a gutsy century along with Vihari are made to sit and warm the bench...
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This was the only silver lining as a Paksitani fan. If you have the same personnel next game and we bat well, this selection will help.
 
Markhor said:
Don't understand this Pakistani obsession with pairing a powerful opener with a "stabilising" opener.

England have Roy and Bairstow, India have Sharma and Dhawan, NZ have Guptill and Munro.

We however are solely relying on Fakhar for fast starts - despite Fakhar struggling for fluency on these slow UAE wickets. All the pressure is on him to deliver the early impetus and if he fails - then what you saw today happens where we're 4-2 after 5 overs.

We wasted the Zimbabwe tour on a grinder like Imam who boosted his average against a weakened minnow attack whilst Sahibzada Farhan's rear end was catching splinters from the bench.
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To be honest, we are perhaps the only ODI team with so many accumulators in the batting order. Most units have 4-5 plus batsmen who can single handedly win matches on their own. The batting mindset is from the 90's.
 
mystical man said:
But your captain and coach are giving the youngsters a chance to evolve which is missing in the Indian outfit and will haunt us in the near future.Still cannot believe Uncle Rayudu,Kartik and Jadhav get a chance while Pant who hit a gutsy century along with Vihari are made to sit and warm the bench...
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Pant is out due to Dhoni. But Rest of the youngsters didn't utilize their opportunities in the A series which Pandey and Rayudu did.
 
mystical man said:
But your captain and coach are giving the youngsters a chance to evolve which is missing in the Indian outfit and will haunt us in the near future.Still cannot believe Uncle Rayudu,Kartik and Jadhav get a chance while Pant who hit a gutsy century along with Vihari are made to sit and warm the bench...
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To be honest, even youngsters playing consistently against minnows and low ranked teams like West Indies, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe is counter productive in the long run.

There is just a massive dearth in reality when you play against the big teams like England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and India and the rest of the world.
 
India didn't even have Kohli, Pandya and Ashwin yet they thrashed us like some associate teams. This is a very shameful defeat and a much needed one for our overhyped team and captain.
 
Markhor said:
Don't understand this Pakistani obsession with pairing a powerful opener with a "stabilising" opener.

England have Roy and Bairstow, India have Sharma and Dhawan, NZ have Guptill and Munro.

We however are solely relying on Fakhar for fast starts - despite Fakhar struggling for fluency on these slow UAE wickets. All the pressure is on him to deliver the early impetus and if he fails - then what you saw today happens where we're 4-2 after 5 overs.

We wasted the Zimbabwe tour on a grinder like Imam who boosted his average against a weakened minnow attack whilst Sahibzada Farhan's rear end was catching splinters from the bench.
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Woah [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] bhai, haven't seen you angry like that in a long time.

But, good to see that - anger is justified. The issue however is not Imam, and Farhan will not suddenly become a power player when drafted into internationals.

Team needs cleaning up from the "experienced" accumulators, who can only milk the spinners for singles, doubles and an occasional boundary. That's the toughest issue to fix, nobody has the spine to drop them.. Imam MAY improve, can be given some chances.



Savak said:
To be honest, we are perhaps the only ODI team with so many accumulators in the batting order. Most units have 4-5 plus batsmen who can single handedly win matches on their own. The batting mindset is from the 90's.
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Glad we agree on something. :najam
 
I think Pakistan needed still Lanka for practice before meeting India again but too bad they are gonna get Afghanistan and BD :afridi . Another few humiliating experience coming up forks :))
 
Haripotter said:
I think Pakistan needed still Lanka for practice before meeting India again but too bad they are gonna get Afghanistan and BD :afridi . Another few humiliating experience coming up forks :))
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Usman Chadda said:
We only get Afghanistan before India again
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This time we'll beat India, but it should not conceal our obvious flaws.

Unfortunately, a win will make everyone forget where we stand.
 
Hawkeye said:
This time we'll beat India, but it should not conceal our obvious flaws.

Unfortunately, a win will make everyone forget where we stand.
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We have issues in this batting line-up, with Faheem and Shadab batting one position too high. But to be fair, besides Imam, there is no one that can be replaced outright at the moment. There is no outstanding middle-order batsman being kept out in the wilderness in domestic cricket, that could come in and change our fortunes. This really is the best we can do until we do find capable dynamic MO bats. The likes of Sohaib Maqsood, Umar Amin etc are still topping the charts in domestic cricket.

Imam is being unfairly given the long rope though. The lad is trying his hardest to become someone he just ain’t. Give ten games to Sahibzada Farhan and see where he stands.
 
Markhor said:
Don't understand this Pakistani obsession with pairing a powerful opener with a "stabilising" opener.

England have Roy and Bairstow, India have Sharma and Dhawan, NZ have Guptill and Munro.

We however are solely relying on Fakhar for fast starts - despite Fakhar struggling for fluency on these slow UAE wickets. All the pressure is on him to deliver the early impetus and if he fails - then what you saw today happens where we're 4-2 after 5 overs.

We wasted the Zimbabwe tour on a grinder like Imam who boosted his average against a weakened minnow attack whilst Sahibzada Farhan's rear end was catching splinters from the bench.
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It's not obsession, rather obligation - you have to find a way to pick Imam. 32/72 List A stats shouldn't give that much "stabilizing" confidence though.
 
Usman Chadda said:
We have issues in this batting line-up, with Faheem and Shadab batting one position too high. But to be fair, besides Imam, there is no one that can be replaced outright at the moment. There is no outstanding middle-order batsman being kept out in the wilderness in domestic cricket, that could come in and change our fortunes. This really is the best we can do until we do find capable dynamic MO bats. The likes of Sohaib Maqsood, Umar Amin etc are still topping the charts in domestic cricket.

Imam is being unfairly given the long rope though. The lad is trying his hardest to become someone he just ain’t. Give ten games to Sahibzada Farhan and see where he stands.
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FAheem and Shahdab have played under 50 game each. The fact is that this is a pretty young team.
 
Pakistan need a better player than Imam at the top.

Given the risk game involved in Fakhar's batting, he won't be a consistent performer but he can turn it on when he gets going. However, when he fails, it all looks bust for you guys.

I am not sure if there is any good option but anything like Imam or around that level is what separating you from a top tier team IMO.
 
I don't think that is fair as Pakistan played the opposition they got over the last year or so. The only problem for Pakistan is their reliance on Fakhar Zaman. Zaman had been so consistent over the last year or so that Pakistan started relying heavily on him. Pakistan batting is one dimensional if Fakhar gets out early and I don't think Asif Ali is the solution. Pakistan needs a right mix of players who can attack and defend. Right now, Azam, Imam, Malik, Sarfaraz all are 80 SR players and only Fakhar can dominate the bowling at the start of the innings.
 
Back to their reality.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] was right all along - CT was a FLUKE. No doubt.
 
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