Pakistan have ignored NRR completely in this World Cup, not just the first game

[farazaidi]

A lot of people are saying we are going out of the world cup due the heavy defeat in first game but the sad reality is that we havnt kept the NRR in check throughout the world cup. Lets see game by game

vs WI (nothing much to say)

vs ENG
we couldnt apply the brakes once Buttler was out at 288. We allowed Woakes, Moeen Ali & Wood to take score upto 334, winning by only 14 runs.

vs AUS
we just gave up once Wahab was dismissed, and got bowled out in 45.4 overs. If we had batted those 4.2 overs, we could've easily got 20-30 runs

vs IND
again huge defeat of 89 runs. Shocking innings from Sarfraz, 12 off 30 balls

vs SA
Another opportunity wasted. We had them 192/6 after 41 overs but we allowed their tailenders to score 67 in last 9 overs

vs NZ
Granted conditions were diffficult but we had the match in control yet never accelerated to improve the NRR. Got over the line in the last over chasing only 237 runs.

vs AFG
Again, made a small target look huge and barely scrambled across the line in the final over.

All in all, we never showed INTENT to improve our NRR. Now lets see the impact of 1st match


To qualify for semis NOW
Beat BANG by 311 runs

To qualify for semis (Excluding WI game)
Beat BANG by 111 runs.

so even if we had lost to WI by 1 run, we still needed to defeat BANG by 111 runs which is enormous task in itself, forget the 311 runs margin which we need now.

So in hindsight, I think its a good result for Pakistan as now they will realize the importance of NRR in big tournaments.

 

[DeadlyYorker]

A lot of people are saying we are going out of the world cup due the heavy defeat in first game but the sad reality is that we havnt kept the NRR in check throughout the world cup. Lets see game by game

vs WI (nothing much to say)

vs ENG
we couldnt apply the brakes once Buttler was out at 288. We allowed Woakes, Moeen Ali & Wood to take score upto 334, winning by only 14 runs.

vs AUS
we just gave up once Wahab was dismissed, and got bowled out in 45.4 overs. If we had batted those 4.2 overs, we could've easily got 20-30 runs

vs IND
again huge defeat of 89 runs. Shocking innings from Sarfraz, 12 off 30 balls

vs SA
Another opportunity wasted. We had them 192/6 after 41 overs but we allowed their tailenders to score 67 in last 9 overs

vs NZ
Granted conditions were diffficult but we had the match in control yet never accelerated to improve the NRR. Got over the line in the last over chasing only 237 runs.

vs AFG
Again, made a small target look huge and barely scrambled across the line in the final over.

All in all, we never showed INTENT to improve our NRR. Now lets see the impact of 1st match


To qualify for semis NOW
Beat BANG by 311 runs

To qualify for semis (Excluding WI game)
Beat BANG by 111 runs.

so even if we had lost to WI by 1 run, we still needed to defeat BANG by 111 runs which is enormous task in itself, forget the 311 runs margin which we need now.

So in hindsight, I think its a good result for Pakistan as now they will realize the importance of NRR in big tournaments.

Plz tell us something we dont already know ,when you crate new thread

 

[pakistani pride]

In order to win and progress you need some luck as well. This WC pak really wasnt lucky. I mean had our game been washed out vs AUS or INDIA and not SL for example.

But biggest thing is that NZ really had all the luck. Washout vs India and escapes vs SA and WI.

 

[Savak]

Hard to think of the net run rates when your first focus is on atleast winning the games and you have no idea on how the other games are going to turn out, also the pitches were not easy for batting

 

[Slog]

Net run rate isn’t the issue

Losing so embarrassingly to a poor WI side was an issue

Blowing a huge chance to Aus was an issue

Having SL game washed out was an issue

 

[Hasan123]

Very good points. Hopefully in the next ICC event, we learn to keep NRR in mind.

 

[Mamoon]

If Pakistan had the intelligence to consider these things, they wouldn’t be the poster boys of mediocrity.

 

[Savak]

Very good points. Hopefully in the next ICC event, we learn to keep NRR in mind.

This is actually a knock on the team management. Mickey Arthur is going to be sent packing by the PCB now

 

[Boi]

Very good points. Hopefully in the next ICC event, we learn to keep NRR in mind.

Hopefully there is no NRR rule in place. Should be head to head.

 

[Madplayer]

The thing is that nobody expected Pakistan to even win against the top sides. So the just had a mere win as their top priority from the get go. They never thought about these bonus things like NRR. They tried to do the bare minimum.

 

[AAli98]

Reality is after losing 15 games in a row any kind of win was a grind (last ball win against afghans)

RR did not even come in mind of this poor team!

 

[Slog]

Hopefully there is no NRR rule in place. Should be head to head.

Yea I wanted to say the same thing but obv that comes across as sour grapes. But tbh that was my opinion even before.

If H2H doesn’t differentiate then it should be NRR

 

[Hasan123]

Hopefully there is no NRR rule in place. Should be head to head.

NRR won't be changed. So we have to adapt to it. New Zealand have it in mind all tournament. We should have done the same.

 

[farazaidi]

Hard to think of the net run rates when your first focus is on atleast winning the games and you have no idea on how the other games are going to turn out, also the pitches were not easy for batting

The point is we lose focus. If we are ahead, we let the game drift and we get only a small margin of victory. And once we are behind, we give up sooner than other nations which means a huge margin of defeat.

 

[Hasan123]

This is actually a knock on the team management. Mickey Arthur is going to be sent packing by the PCB now

I don't think he will be coach after the WC.

 

[Mamoon]

Pre-tournament rankings should be used to differentiate between teams on level points. It will give rankings meaning and give bilateral ODIs context. Consistency should be rewarded. In the current system, rankings are entirely meaningless which is wrong.

 

[RainStopsPlay]

In order to win and progress you need some luck as well. This WC pak really wasnt lucky. I mean had our game been washed out vs AUS or INDIA and not SL for example.

But biggest thing is that NZ really had all the luck. Washout vs India and escapes vs SA and WI.

Latham dropped Babar's catch in a crucial moment and he went on to score a match-winning ton. Gulbadin tried becoming a hero by bowling an all-important over when it was not necessary and Imad won that game for Pak when the actual scenario was different until that over. Don't these factor under luck?

 

[Savak]

Overall Sarfaraz poor non improving captaincy has hurt us in this WC. It is time to move him on and show him the door.

 

[farazaidi]

Net run rate isn’t the issue

Losing so embarrassingly to a poor WI side was an issue

Blowing a huge chance to Aus was an issue

Having SL game washed out was an issue

A good team should bounce back after poor starts or early setbacks. Sorry to say but they sound excuses. Its about time we realize the importance of NRR, it has cost us a semi final place.

 

[Indiafan]

Hopefully there is no NRR rule in place. Should be head to head.

How can you use head to head if 3-4 teams are tied on the same point?

 

[Chokli]

These fools just cared about the win, it's like the NRR didn't even exist for them.

On the last ball of the English innings vs Pakistan, we let the last ball go for 4 when it could have been stopped.

It's no big deal but it goes to show the frame of mind these people were in.

They deserved to be out, they knew NRR is a thing but chose to ignore it.

All they had to do was apply the Misbah School of Cricket method. [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION].

It's too bad even after supposedly destroying Pakistan Cricket and making us defensive they still can't seem to bat out 50 overs.

 

[farazaidi]

Latham dropped Babar's catch in a crucial moment and he went on to score a match-winning ton. Gulbadin tried becoming a hero by bowling an all-important over when it was not necessary and Imad won that game for Pak when the actual scenario was different until that over. Don't these factor under luck?

Imad Wasim was out LBW of Rashid but not given by umpire. Dont forget that

 

[Justcrazy]

In order to win and progress you need some luck as well. This WC pak really wasnt lucky. I mean had our game been washed out vs AUS or INDIA and not SL for example.

But biggest thing is that NZ really had all the luck. Washout vs India and escapes vs SA and WI.

You have to create your own luck

How can a team at International level be so much unaware of situations.

 

[Chokli]

Imad Wasim was out LBW of Rashid but not given by umpire. Dont forget that

It's a part of the game.

 

[farazaidi]

^ofcourse it is but I was replying to the LUCK comment. We had our share

 

[Savak]

To be honest, most people focus on the NRR at the very end of the tournament, in the beginning to the middle of the tournament, the first priority is to win the game

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistan had two blunders:

1) Losing to West Indies by a huge margin (West Indies didn't win another game after that Pakistan game).
2) Winning with Afghanistan by a small margin (should've chased that total down with 10 overs to spare).

These two factors knocked them out.

 

[WengerOut]

I don't think he will be coach after the WC.

I will believe when it happens. Most of the time he will play to the gallery and the gullible persons will fall for him again.

 

[Hasan123]

I will believe when it happens. Most of the time he will play to the gallery and the gullible persons will fall for him again.

His contract is up after the WC. No talk of a extension as well. Don't see him being coach after the tournament.

 

[Technics 1210]

Why are you lot talking about NRR now? Friday is not over yet. You are all assuming Pakistan ends up with 11 points. Wait till Friday before coming out with NRR threads!

 

[topspin]

These fools just cared about the win, it's like the NRR didn't even exist for them.

On the last ball of the English innings vs Pakistan, we let the last ball go for 4 when it could have been stopped.

It's no big deal but it goes to show the frame of mind these people were in.

They deserved to be out, they knew NRR is a thing but chose to ignore it.

All they had to do was apply the Misbah School of Cricket method. [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION].

It's too bad even after supposedly destroying Pakistan Cricket and making us defensive they still can't seem to bat out 50 overs.

Bro with all due respect, which top 5 ranked sides has Misbah beaten in an ICC competition as captain?

Sarfraz has already achieved a lot more in this respect in ICC ODI comps. He’s beaten South Africa twice, India, New Zealand and England twice.

Misbah on the other hand lost every game in the CT 2013 and the only team of note he’s beaten is SA in the last WC.

So the less said about this guy, the better. Imam adopted “the Misbah school of thought” with his batting and we saw how that turned out. I told you this guy wasn’t ready, but he deserves this humiliation because somehow he feels so entitled, he has to come out and say “I’m automatic selection”.

 

[Chokli]

Bro with all due respect, which top 5 ranked sides has Misbah beaten in an ICC competition as captain?

Sarfraz has already achieved a lot more in this respect in ICC ODI comps. He’s beaten South Africa twice, India, New Zealand and England twice.

Misbah on the other hand lost every game in the CT 2013 and the only team of note he’s beaten is SA in the last WC.

So the less said about this guy, the better. Imam adopted “the Misbah school of thought” with his batting and we saw how that turned out. I told you this guy wasn’t ready, but he deserves this humiliation because somehow he feels so entitled, he has to come out and say “I’m automatic selection”.

Lol no offense taken mate

CT 2013 was a one off just like CT 2017.

Misbah defeated SA in SA & IND in IND.... Both of which were good teams with the likes of Maqsood, Shehzad, Younis, Jamshed, etc. Won Asia Cup and went to the finals in 2014.

Hacker Zaman needed to do take a page out of Misbah's book.

Imam can't do everything on his own.

First person to go should be Fakhar Zaman.

 

[hadi123]

Disagree. Primary goal should be just to win the matches. Realistically, the embarrasing loss in the 1st game screwed us over big time in regards to NRR, so we had to put all the eggs in one basket, which was qualifying on points.

 

[topspin]

Lol no offense taken mate

CT 2013 was a one off just like CT 2017.

Misbah defeated SA in SA & IND in IND.... Both of which were good teams with the likes of Maqsood, Shehzad, Younis, Jamshed, etc. Won Asia Cup and went to the finals in 2014.

Hacker Zaman needed to do take a page out of Misbah's book.

Imam can't do everything on his own.

First person to go should be Fakhar Zaman.

The wins in SA and India were good wins but those were low scoring series. When it really mattered he failed in ICC comps.

I am surprised to read about how certain players should take a "page out of Misbah's book" and follow "Misbah's school of thought", but come on after Mohai 2011, are you actually serious?

Wins against SA and India were excellent achievements, but they were both low scoring series. When it mattered (in ICC comps.), he was exposed. I'm no Sarfraz fan, in fact I do not want to see him play for Pakistan ever again, after Friday, but even this joke of a captain has a accomplished more. That's because he backs youngsters and doesn't drag his best players, lower down the order.

Imam had a very poor tournament all-round, no runs and an awful strike rate to go with it. I have no issues if Fakhar is discarded from the squad in the future, however I want to see how he does at no.3, coming in after the first 5 overs, when the team has seen off the new ball essentially. Also if you think Tamim is superior ODI batsman, than it seems you merely base your judgements of players on technique rather than actual output and impact.

 

[khanpower]

news flash....

we will make 450 playing first
then bangla will be out under 100 in first 15 overs.

we will be entering semis with a BANG.

ʾIn shāʾ Allāh
ʾIn shāʾ Allāh
ʾIn shāʾ Allāh

 

[GLORY OF '92]

news flash....

we will make 450 playing first
then bangla will be out under 100 in first 15 overs.

we will be entering semis with a BANG.

ʾIn shāʾ Allāh
ʾIn shāʾ Allāh
ʾIn shāʾ Allāh

Stop

 

[khanpower]

"We Have, We Will

 

[QuickCrick]

Going forward NRR shouldn’t be the deciding factor, gets the teams in a defensive mindset and the game boring. Seen it all tournament, teams just batting out 50 overs instead going for the win Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[ads101]

I understand most of the scenarios, we just weren't good enough.

Babar's was the exception. He slowed down for the hundred against New Zealand when it should have been a quick and easy victory. Should have continued, even slog and get out if he was struggling to get the hundred. Instead he just played defensively to get it.

I get it was his first hundred in a world cup, and yes a big milestone, but in these situations, you have to put Pakistan first.

In general though we've got to improve our approach to cricket. Play yourself in, then accelerate. When you just have someone stick around for ages forcing the new guys just coming into the crease to hit, you're always going to have problems with run rate as they guy who's been there the longest has the biggest impact on the run rate. Think we keep making excuses for the Imam way of batting, but it just won't work in the future. I'd hope he'd have improved in that regard with the PSL and that hundred against England, but he's been the same yet again since then. Not saying he still doesn't deserve more time to improve on that, but he needs to change, it's not acceptable to just continue like this.

Positive is that this World Cup clearly I see Haris improving on this.

 

[hass]

Rain did play a crucial part in semi-final qualification for us and some other sides. Some sides got the rub of the green on this and others got completely screwed.

 

[farazaidi]

Why are you lot talking about NRR now? Friday is not over yet. You are all assuming Pakistan ends up with 11 points. Wait till Friday before coming out with NRR threads!

Because the NRR equation has literally killed our chances if any. If we needed a win margin of 70-80 runs, you would've have seen this thread

 

[Chokli]

The wins in SA and India were good wins but those were low scoring series. When it really mattered he failed in ICC comps.

Even our greats failed in 2003 and 2007.

I am surprised to read about how certain players should take a "page out of Misbah's book" and follow "Misbah's school of thought", but come on after Mohai 2011, are you actually serious?

Yes Mohali was bad but Younis Khan is equally to blame for 13(32) and Afridi for coming in at 8 and getting out to a full toss.

Misbah brought a lot of solidarity into the middle order and knew the importance of batting out 50 overs.

Wins against SA and India were excellent achievements, but they were both low scoring series. When it mattered (in ICC comps.), he was exposed. I'm no Sarfraz fan, in fact I do not want to see him play for Pakistan ever again, after Friday, but even this joke of a captain has a accomplished more. That's because he backs youngsters and doesn't drag his best players, lower down the order.

Low scoring or not he still won them. Asia Cup 2018 was pretty low scoring too.

Imam had a very poor tournament all-round, no runs and an awful strike rate to go with it. I have no issues if Fakhar is discarded from the squad in the future, however I want to see how he does at no.3, coming in after the first 5 overs, when the team has seen off the new ball essentially. Also if you think Tamim is superior ODI batsman, than it seems you merely base your judgements of players on technique rather than actual output and impact.

He did but Imam is still young and can only get better.

Fakhar failed in the same location that kick started his career

 

[farazaidi]

I understand most of the scenarios, we just weren't good enough.

Babar's was the exception. He slowed down for the hundred against New Zealand when it should have been a quick and easy victory. Should have continued, even slog and get out if he was struggling to get the hundred. Instead he just played defensively to get it.

I get it was his first hundred in a world cup, and yes a big milestone, but in these situations, you have to put Pakistan first.

In general though we've got to improve our approach to cricket. Play yourself in, then accelerate. When you just have someone stick around for ages forcing the new guys just coming into the crease to hit, you're always going to have problems with run rate as they guy who's been there the longest has the biggest impact on the run rate. Think we keep making excuses for the Imam way of batting, but it just won't work in the future. I'd hope he'd have improved in that regard with the PSL and that hundred against England, but he's been the same yet again since then. Not saying he still doesn't deserve more time to improve on that, but he needs to change, it's not acceptable to just continue like this.

Positive is that this World Cup clearly I see Haris improving on this.

Exactly bro. Haris have made massive strides, two back to back match winning knocks in crunch matches. I believe Imam needs some time away from the team and told to improve his S/R and put a lid on his interviews. This motor-mouth is only hurting his already damaged reputation

 

[ads101]

Because the NRR equation has literally killed our chances if any. If we needed a win margin of 70-80 runs, you would've have seen this thread

I think our NRR isn't good because of our fielding. Good fielding they save every run possible, it creates that mentality. I think England or New Zealand, can't remember which but someone said "Fielding is an attitude". Which I agree with. People are blasting the fitness or even lack of catching ability, but the Pakistan team look less organised in the field, and slower on the field. And the slower part is more to do with readiness, it doesn't use great fitness to side step quickly to the right or left or make the dive. More to do with effort and alertness than actual fitness. Which is why you've even seen slightly overweight fielders do well (like Yasir in the past or Raina).

Don't think it's a coincidence that a team like NZ has qualified down to run rate. They've always been in the belief that they lack some of the talent of the other teams so make it up and fielding. So they're always looking to maximise that NRR.

I think we overlook ground fielding in general over catching. Catching is important, but if you try to catch that's all you can do. But ground fielding, you can cut down on runs nearly guaranteed, it's not up to chance like when you go for a catch. Yet we're just letting this slide.

 

[Markhor]

You have to prioritise points on the board and render NRR pointless.

Going into the WC, I felt six wins had to be the aim. Beat West Indies, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Bangladesh and South Africa, and nick one against the top four.

We ended up nicking two wins off the top four, but got hammered by WI and were unlucky the game vs SRL was a washout.

 

[MMHS]

A lot of people are saying we are going out of the world cup due the heavy defeat in first game but the sad reality is that we havnt kept the NRR in check throughout the world cup. Lets see game by game

vs WI (nothing much to say)

vs ENG
we couldnt apply the brakes once Buttler was out at 288. We allowed Woakes, Moeen Ali & Wood to take score upto 334, winning by only 14 runs.

vs AUS
we just gave up once Wahab was dismissed, and got bowled out in 45.4 overs. If we had batted those 4.2 overs, we could've easily got 20-30 runs

vs IND
again huge defeat of 89 runs. Shocking innings from Sarfraz, 12 off 30 balls

vs SA
Another opportunity wasted. We had them 192/6 after 41 overs but we allowed their tailenders to score 67 in last 9 overs

vs NZ
Granted conditions were diffficult but we had the match in control yet never accelerated to improve the NRR. Got over the line in the last over chasing only 237 runs.

vs AFG
Again, made a small target look huge and barely scrambled across the line in the final over.

All in all, we never showed INTENT to improve our NRR. Now lets see the impact of 1st match


To qualify for semis NOW
Beat BANG by 311 runs

To qualify for semis (Excluding WI game)
Beat BANG by 111 runs.

so even if we had lost to WI by 1 run, we still needed to defeat BANG by 111 runs which is enormous task in itself, forget the 311 runs margin which we need now.

So in hindsight, I think its a good result for Pakistan as now they will realize the importance of NRR in big tournaments.

Very good post, I was going to write something similar but without the details. However, even excluding WIN game, PAK actually lost the plot in NRR calculations even when it was a strong possibility that PAK, NZ might end on equal points. It won’t have worked because of the WIN game and I am not sure why almost everyone is thinking those two points on Friday is granted, but I expected better closing efforts against Kiwis (which would have been double cut), and AFG game as well. Had PAK batted first, might have cover some grounds though.

 

[shokz1408]

The one v india i went too, and they stopped trying were just blocking after a few wickets. They could have atleast scored some more runs.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Plz tell us something we dont already know ,when you crate new thread

Nope. Most people didn't know that EVEN if Pak hadn't lost heavily to WI, they would need such a huge run rate.

Great thread.

 

[DHONI183]

I disagree with the people who´re saying that Pakistan should´ve looked to improve their net run-rate in the latter matches. Trust me, if Pakistan had kept that in the mind, given the "quality" of this batting line-up, they would´ve failed altogether in their chases against New Zealand and Afghanistan!

All that they could´ve done, after the damage was done, was to win their remaining matches and then rely on results from other teams´ matches, which they did obviously. The time to keep an eye on the net run-rate was during the match against the West Indies, not later on. Ideally, you should plan such things and keep all these factors under consideration before the tournament itself. What cost them heavily was not a single batsman or a pair looking to fight it out in that match to get Pakistan over just 200 at least. I kept saying it during the match itself, and I stick to my words, anything over 200 or close to 225 would´ve given Pakistan a serious chance to win the match altogether. Even if they hadn´t, they wouldn´t have at least lost by so many overs.

Poor, very poor application of brains into such a huge tournament.

 

[Nostalgic]

I keep thinking back to the NZ game, where we had them at 85/5, including Williamson’s wicket. That was the moment we let it slip, because if at that point we had got them out quickly instead of letting them get to 230-odd, the chase would not have gone to the last over. This would not only have improved our run rate, it would’ve hurt NZ’s. Whether it would’ve been enough I don’t know, but it would probably have been left us with a more plausible scenario than the 316-run win needed today.