Pakistan Hockey at the Commonwealth Games 2018 [Fail to qualify for semis]

[Wonderwoman]

Wales leading 2-0 against England @ half time, wow! Pak still has hope...

What's going wrong with England? Did they send a second string team?

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Wales leading 2-0 against England @ half time, wow! Pak still has hope...

And England will 3-2 )


All over for Pak

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

England win 3-2 against Wales, so England and India are through to last 4 from this group.

Malaysia, Pakistan and Wales eliminated.

 

[MenInG]

England win 3-2 against Wales, so England and India are through to last 4 from this group.

Malaysia, Pakistan and Wales eliminated.

Yep sad for Pakistan but good improvement under new coach

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yep sad for Pakistan but good improvement under new coach

You have to understand that once Hockey shifted from grass to astro turf, India and Pakistan were toast.

Dribble hockey that India and Pakistan played was killed off so that the fast hockey that westerns played better on basis of better stamina and strength gains prominence. Thats why India or Pakistan dropped off the hockey map.

It took India decades of investment in getting astro turf installed at basic level academies so that players get to learn to play on astro turf from the beginning. Then there has to be massive investments into fitness programmes etc. Its a tough tough ask for India and Pakistan

Subcontinental hockey teams have been screwed by the west. If i remember it right after introduction of astro turf in 1976 montreal olympics, India and Pakistan have only managed 1 gold each.

 

[MenInG]

You have to understand that once Hockey shifted from grass to astro turf, India and Pakistan were toast.

Dribble hockey that India and Pakistan played was killed off so that the fast hockey that westerns played better on basis of better stamina and strength gains prominence. Thats why India or Pakistan dropped off the hockey map.

It took India decades of investment in getting astro turf installed at basic level academies so that players get to learn to play on astro turf from the beginning. Then there has to be massive investments into fitness programmes etc. Its a tough tough ask for India and Pakistan

Subcontinental hockey teams have been screwed by the west. If i remember it right after introduction of astro turf in 1976 montreal olympics, India and Pakistan have only managed 1 gold each.

Excellent points. Unfortunately, and I hope you dont mind this URDU mahawara but for the PHF: "Bhains kay samnay been bajana" ....

 

[Greenstorm]

The last 4 games before CWG were been lost by a combined margin of 15+ goals.


Excellent post by [MENTION=140491]Greenstorm[/MENTION]

Couple of questions
- what makes you think India forced FIH to introduce 15 minute quarters? It was adopted from the Indian league but that was it right?
- doesn't Australia play the Asian style? How do you think they managed to maintain competitiveness?


Greenstorm is right that a lot of these tournaments which our Indian and Pakistani friends are united in celebrating are used for testing by the Europeans.

- I really have no idea that whether Hockey India has same kind of power in FIH as it has in ICC. I was replying to [MENTION=62785]AamchiMumbaikar[/MENTION] post from which I got the impression that 4 quarters rule was applied due to India's insistence although I am not sure about that.

- Australia's style is more of a mixture of European and Subcontinental hockey. They are physically like europeans but are more skillful than them, hence they are dominating. Argentina is another interesting team. They also have flair like subcontinental teams but their fitness makes them better.

Pakistan and India are still the most skillful teams in the world. They play beautiful, attacking and entertaining hockey. But we lack in fitness levels and tactical awareness that modern hockey requires. I have come to the conclusion that by incorporating foreign coaches and by adopting to the style of modern hockey (India is already on that path), both Pakistan and India will be able to compete with rest of the top teams but the real charm of hockey will be lost forever.

 

[Greenstorm]

You have to understand that once Hockey shifted from grass to astro turf, India and Pakistan were toast.

Dribble hockey that India and Pakistan played was killed off so that the fast hockey that westerns played better on basis of better stamina and strength gains prominence. Thats why India or Pakistan dropped off the hockey map.

It took India decades of investment in getting astro turf installed at basic level academies so that players get to learn to play on astro turf from the beginning. Then there has to be massive investments into fitness programmes etc. Its a tough tough ask for India and Pakistan

Subcontinental hockey teams have been screwed by the west. If i remember it right after introduction of astro turf in 1976 montreal olympics, India and Pakistan have only managed 1 gold each.

Does India have same kind of say in FIH as it has in ICC ? If so, can it change rules to suit subcontinental style of hockey ?
Also asian hockey went down because of change in offside rule not because of introduction of astroturf.

 

[Greenstorm]

India beats Malaysia, we make semis

Congrats.

 

[Varun]

Does India have same kind of say in FIH as it has in ICC ? If so, can it change rules to suit subcontinental style of hockey ?

Obviously not. If they did, we would have heard of it.

 

[MenInG]

India are doing well in hockey, why will they complain?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Does India have same kind of say in FIH as it has in ICC ? If so, can it change rules to suit subcontinental style of hockey ?
Also asian hockey went down because of change in offside rule not because of introduction of astroturf.

Present FIH president is Indian. India is just starting to build its influence in FIH.

India and Pakistan used to play dribble hockey. Shifting to Astro turf killed that and made it into a stamina and strength game. This resulted in defensive hockey. So to prevent that they abolished the offside rule in mid 90s.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India are doing well in hockey, why will they complain?

Actually we are not. We have improved yes but we are nowhere as good as Aus/Germany/SoKo.

 

[Greenstorm]

India are doing well in hockey, why will they complain?

India has not won any olympic medal since 1980. It has not finished in top 4 in any world cup since 1975.

 

[Greenstorm]

Present FIH president is Indian. India is just starting to build its influence in FIH.

India and Pakistan used to play dribble hockey. Shifting to Astro turf killed that and made it into a stamina and strength game. This resulted in defensive hockey. So to prevent that they abolished the offside rule in mid 90s.

Obviously it is not going to happen but the best way forward for hockey is to bring back the offside rule and play with 9 players a side. This will result in more attacking hockey within the confined offside rule which will make it very interesting.

 

[Wonderwoman]

Obviously it is not going to happen but the best way forward for hockey is to bring back the offside rule and play with 9 players a side. This will result in more attacking hockey within the confined offside rule which will make it very interesting.

I think offside rules makes the game defensive.

 

[Greenstorm]

I think offside rules makes the game defensive.

It only encourages skill of a player. Players will have to actually dribble past their opponents or play through balls in order to score which is the strength of Asian players and the reason why this rule was stripped.

11 players a side makes it very congested when offside rule is on. This results in lack of fluidity and lots of stoppages. 9 players a side will solve that issue. Moreover with offside rule back, players will play in their specified roles, there will be specified players in left in, left out, right in, right out etc positions. This will result in emergance of stars of the game which it once produced because only those players will be able to score who are best in terms of skill and execution just like football.

If you remove offside rule today in football, you will see more goals and in a sense more attacks but messi and ronaldo will be rendered equal to Giroud and Walcott and football will lose its beauty and its heroes.

 

[hadi123]

Pakistan men's hockey team was ousted from the run to the semifinals at the Commonwealth Games 2018 hockey tournament after England and India beat Wales and Malaysia respectively on Tuesday.

With their latest victories, England and India rule the Pool B's chart with seven points each in the Commonwealth Games 2018 being played in the Gold Coast, Australia.

Meanwhile, New Zealand and Australia have qualified for the semifinal from men's Pool A with nine points each.

Pakistan are yet to face Malaysia on April 11, however, even in the case of a victory, chances of qualifying for the semifinals are non-existent. Both Pakistan and Malaysia currently have three points each.

Pakistan have drawn all three of the matches they have played in the tournament. They levelled the match against Wales 1-1 on April 5, 2-2 against India on April 7 and 2-2 against England on April 8.

The semifinals will take place in Gold Coast on April 11.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1400755/pakistan-ousted-from-cw-2018-semifinal-race-india-pull-through

 

[jusarrived]

Actually we are not. We have improved yes but we are nowhere as good as Aus/Germany/SoKo.

We have been better than SoKo for few years now and at par with likes of Spain and England . Hockey has become a lot more competitive in past 10 years , with emergence of Arg , Belgium and England India staying in Top 6 , I wuld say this is the strongest we have been for 40+ years .

 

[Greenstorm]

Another draw.
Pakistan 1-1 Malaysia.

Oltmans has improved our game in just one month. Players are actually listening to him. More long passes, early ball release, quick change of flanks, composure in defense are the things which we did not used to do before. Still players are lacking fitness, finishing is weak in final 25 and we have to develop a reliable drag flicker. More time this coach will spend with the team, the better we will get.

 

[MenInG]

Another draw.
Pakistan 1-1 Malaysia.

Oltmans has improved our game in just one month. Players are actually listening to him. More long passes, early ball release, quick change of flanks, composure in defense are the things which we did not used to do before. Still players are lacking fitness, finishing is weak in final 25 and we have to develop a reliable drag flicker. More time this coach will spend with the team, the better we will get.

We seem to be drawing MOST of the games - but guess an improvement.

 

[Waseem]

Another draw.
Pakistan 1-1 Malaysia.

Oltmans has improved our game in just one month. Players are actually listening to him. More long passes, early ball release, quick change of flanks, composure in defense are the things which we did not used to do before. Still players are lacking fitness, finishing is weak in final 25 and we have to develop a reliable drag flicker. More time this coach will spend with the team, the better we will get.

It is an improvement indeed!

We lost most games played against England, India and Malaysia recently so this is definitely better result, should've still won against Wales though.

In other news, saw a brand new hockey stadium has been finally completed in Gojra, it's a couple of decades later than original planned but good news as this is the area that produced one of best players. Habib Public school Karachi and Gojra have produced quite a lot of our hockey players.

 

[B_Positive]

How Pakistan is playing for 7th-8th place? I mean if points are tied then tie breaker is goal difference, isn't it?

 

[Sin Nombre]

Actually we are not. We have improved yes but we are nowhere as good as Aus/Germany/SoKo.

SoKo is South Korea?

India is a lot better than them.

Belgium is in the top group.

 

[Sin Nombre]

We seem to be drawing MOST of the games - but guess an improvement.

Definite improvement.

As I said before, Oltmans is a very good coach.

 

[giri26]

Malaysia hold Pakistan 1-1 as both teams bow out of hockey semi-final race at CW Games

Pakistan hockey team played yet another draw, their fourth in the Commonwealth Games, against Malaysia here on Wednesday as both teams went out of semi-final contention at the Gold Coast Hockey Centre. The score was 1-1.

Pakistan now play the 7th/8th position match on Friday.

There was a lot at stake when Pakistan and Malaysia came across in their last pool game on Wednesday. Pakistan needed to win the game in order to make it for the fifth place in the game while for Malaysia a draw was enough.

In the end, both teams finished with equal points. As per the tournament rules, the side with more wins finished ahead. Pakistan drew all the four matches while Malaysia had one win.

Meanwhile, Secretary Pakistan Hockey Federation (PHF), Mohammad Shahbaz Senior in an interview with Radio Pakistan said that Pakistan team’s overall performance in the event had been satisfactory.

He said that in the matches against India and England, Pakistani players showed fine hockey and came back strongly to draw both the tough matches which, he said, was encouraging. “It is after a long time that Pakistan team showed tremendous fighting spirit,” said Shahabaz.

“The credit for that goes mainly to the newly-appointed Dutch coach Roelant Oltmans who has infused a new spirit in the team and the players are responding wonderfully to his coaching,” he added.

In the match, Malaysia called the early shots. A steal in Pakistan half left goalkeeper Imran Butt with no option but to rush out of the 23-metre to thwart the danger. It cost him yellow card. Replacement Mazhar Abbas was called to make two outstanding saves in his five minute appearance on the pitch.

Pakistan managed to settle down and were certainly the better side during the rest of the first half. In the ninth minute, after some delightful short passes, a scoop reached Shafqat Rasool who was standing unmarked near the right post. Showing presence of mind and agility, he quickly flicked it into the cage to make it 1-0 for Pakistan.

In the second quarter, the two sides got a couple of back-to-back penalty corners but to no avail. Dilber had the best open play opportunity when he had the goal at his mercy as the Malaysian goalie had left the post but the try was poor.

At the half time Pakistan was leading by one goal.

The Greenshirts rushed out of the blocks after the change of the sides and had a penalty corner in the first minute but the variation did not click. After some exciting tussle in the middle by forwards of the two sides, Malaysia tested goalie Imran Butt who was in a good position to stop their attack.

In the 39th minute, Fitri Sari putting together a magnificent dribbling run, sent a parallel reverse ball in the path of Ramadan Rosli from deep inside circle’s left. The latter then dived to complete a memorable goal.

First minute of the fourth quarter saw Pakistan wasting another penalty corner. Soon afterwards Malaysia, too, could not make most of the two back-to-back penalty corners coming its way.

With less than three minutes left, Pakistan head coach Oltmans replaced the goalkeeper with an outfield player.

There was some high drama as Pakistan obtained two back-to-back penalty corners in the penultimate minute but the Malaysian net minder Hairi Abdul Rahman anticipated well each time to squander the opposition hopes.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1401006/m...bow-out-of-hockey-semi-final-race-at-cw-games