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NEW YORK -- Pakistan has arrested the alleged mastermind of the 2008 Mumbai terrorist attacks after years of denying his presence and even claiming he was dead, Nikkei Asia has learned.

The man, Sajid Mir, is on the FBI's list of most-wanted terrorists, with a $5 million reward on his head. He has been sought by both the U.S. and India for over a decade. Mir is connected to Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), a United Nations-designated terrorist organization believed to have been behind the November 2008 siege, when a team of 10 men carried out coordinated attacks on multiple targets. About 170 people were killed -- mainly Indians, alongside six Americans as well as visitors from Japan and elsewhere.

The case appears to have been brought to a head by Pakistan's desire to extricate itself from the Financial Action Task Force's international terror-financing watchlist. Hammad Azhar, Pakistan's former finance minister in the recently ousted government of Prime Minister Imran Khan, and the man in charge of negotiations with the multilateral watchdog for the past three years, confirmed to Nikkei that Pakistan took measures against Mir and other designated terrorists that were "satisfactory" to the FATF. The task force has been keeping Pakistan on its Grey List, used to monitor and isolate noncompliant countries.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Te...ead-alleged-mastermind-of-2008-Mumbai-attacks

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As I said in other thread Pakistan’s will to remove from FATF and completing the tasks will make most Indians happy and not sad.
 
india never provided proof of Pakistans involvement in that attack. Even indian courts agree with this assessment. I know some indian posters will post their usual links which originate from traitors like geo and nawaz fugitive but it doesn't distort the reality. Here is an excellent article on india's long-term planning and benefits from this attack:-

https://www.globalvillagespace.com/hafiz-saeed-albatross-around-pakistans-neck/

Also, I wonder when will india be held to account for its state sponsored terrorism in Pakistan which lead to 80,000 deaths and counting,violating UN and all laws that apply to countries when breaking Pakistan in 1971, funding non stop bombings in Pakistan to keep the country weak after breaking it from 1971 onwards, 1999 Pakistan Breguet 1150 Atlantic shootdown where india murdered 16 Pakistani soldiers, violated Pakistani airspace in February 2019, spread fake propaganda against Pakistan and more recently launched a missile in Pakistan.
 
india never provided proof of Pakistans involvement in that attack. Even indian courts agree with this assessment. I know some indian posters will post their usual links which originate from traitors like geo and nawaz fugitive but it doesn't distort the reality. Here is an excellent article on india's long-term planning and benefits from this attack:-

https://www.globalvillagespace.com/hafiz-saeed-albatross-around-pakistans-neck/

Also, I wonder when will india be held to account for its state sponsored terrorism in Pakistan which lead to 80,000 deaths and counting,violating UN and all laws that apply to countries when breaking Pakistan in 1971, funding non stop bombings in Pakistan to keep the country weak after breaking it from 1971 onwards, 1999 Pakistan Breguet 1150 Atlantic shootdown where india murdered 16 Pakistani soldiers, violated Pakistani airspace in February 2019, spread fake propaganda against Pakistan and more recently launched a missile in Pakistan.

Huh What? 🤔 ..
 
Mumbai attacks were a false flag designed to allow India to attack Pakistan, only problem was India bottled it and instead sent dossiers.
 
india never provided proof of Pakistans involvement in that attack. Even indian courts agree with this assessment. I know some indian posters will post their usual links which originate from traitors like geo and nawaz fugitive but it doesn't distort the reality. Here is an excellent article on india's long-term planning and benefits from this attack:-

https://www.globalvillagespace.com/hafiz-saeed-albatross-around-pakistans-neck/

Also, I wonder when will india be held to account for its state sponsored terrorism in Pakistan which lead to 80,000 deaths and counting,violating UN and all laws that apply to countries when breaking Pakistan in 1971, funding non stop bombings in Pakistan to keep the country weak after breaking it from 1971 onwards, 1999 Pakistan Breguet 1150 Atlantic shootdown where india murdered 16 Pakistani soldiers, violated Pakistani airspace in February 2019, spread fake propaganda against Pakistan and more recently launched a missile in Pakistan.

Mumbai attacks were a false flag designed to allow India to attack Pakistan, only problem was India bottled it and instead sent dossiers.

Imran khans own interior minister, sheikh rasheed admitted that ajmal.kasab was pakistani. He did this accidentally by trying to bash nawaz shareef for giving his details. There was even a thread on it here.


When an interior minister himself is admitting and that to of your favourite party, just accept it
 
Imran khans own interior minister, sheikh rasheed admitted that ajmal.kasab was pakistani. He did this accidentally by trying to bash nawaz shareef for giving his details. There was even a thread on it here.


When an interior minister himself is admitting and that to of your favourite party, just accept it

So a respected journalist Moeed Pirzada is lying, as are indian courts?

Shaikh Rasheed said that traitor nawaz sharif falsely accused Pak army of supporting the mumbai attack.
 
He is giving the link of a website created by a group of pakistanis from Columbia University.

Thats the credibility of it.

I wonder why the editor of GVS (who has interviewed prime minister etc) is hosted by Woodrow Wilson and other respected think tanks if its a university students group.
 
So a respected journalist Moeed Pirzada is lying, as are indian courts?

Shaikh Rasheed said that traitor nawaz sharif falsely accused Pak army of supporting the mumbai attack.

Here is the video if you can understand urdu. https://youtu.be/-_H9uAGpfh8

Sheikh rasheed, as interior minister, during imrans govt, said that nawaz gave ajmal kasab address in pakistan to india. No where he said that nawaz gave false address...

When an interior minister indirectly admits this, there is nothing left to argue...
 
Here is the video if you can understand urdu. https://youtu.be/-_H9uAGpfh8

Sheikh rasheed, as interior minister, during imrans govt, said that nawaz gave ajmal kasab address in pakistan to india. No where he said that nawaz gave false address...

When an interior minister indirectly admits this, there is nothing left to argue...

This is an actual personal comment where you are commenting on me understanding a language.

You are proving my point about nawaz and geo, they work against Pak.

Even in the other thread you read all posts but ignored them and made false accusations about my source, here also the same, I cannot keep correcting you.

He has not admitted any lie, however, if you search hard enough you will find the video where he said Pak had zero to do with the attack as have indian courts.
 
This is an actual personal comment where you are commenting on me understanding a language.

You are proving my point about nawaz and geo, they work against Pak.

Even in the other thread you read all posts but ignored them and made false accusations about my source, here also the same, I cannot keep correcting you.

He has not admitted any lie, however, if you search hard enough you will find the video where he said Pak had zero to do with the attack as have indian courts.

1. There are many overseas pakistanis here who dont understand urdu and often lose the translation, so there is nothing personal there.

2. The interior minister himself admitted.

3. I dont get it, even after you are proven wrong, you try hell bent on spreading a false narrative. You paste sources than claim you dint get news from it.

You make claims where the interior minister himself refutes and admits paks involvement.
 
So a respected journalist Moeed Pirzada is lying, as are indian courts?

Shaikh Rasheed said that traitor nawaz sharif falsely accused Pak army of supporting the mumbai attack.

Can you post the orders or judgements of Indian courts that support your view.
 
1. There are many overseas pakistanis here who dont understand urdu and often lose the translation, so there is nothing personal there.

2. The interior minister himself admitted.

3. I dont get it, even after you are proven wrong, you try hell bent on spreading a false narrative. You paste sources than claim you dint get news from it.

You make claims where the interior minister himself refutes and admits paks involvement.

I can confirm no interior minister from PTI ever admitted any such allegation, at best your ppp or a pmln minister might have stated this to pressurize Pak army and extra concessions from them (refer to Dawn Leaks for previous history) and stay in power to loot Pakistan, but I have not seen proof of that either.


Also, I cannot comprehend how do you benefit from accusing your country for something it gains nothing from.
 
Can you post the orders or judgements of Indian courts that support your view.

Please can you view the GVS link I posted, it is mentioned there that the courts stated evidence was weak and they cannot indict on said basis.

If not, let me know and I will work on finding it.
 
I wonder why the editor of GVS (who has interviewed prime minister etc) is hosted by Woodrow Wilson and other respected think tanks if its a university students group.

University alumni association members are not hosted by others? That doesn't mean that if they open a website and post their opinion it becomes a fact.
 
Please can you view the GVS link I posted, it is mentioned there that the courts stated evidence was weak and they cannot indict on said basis.

If not, let me know and I will work on finding it.

It is claimed by a Pakistani. If evidence was weak, how was Kasab convicted and hanged?
 
I can confirm no interior minister from PTI ever admitted any such allegation, at best your ppp or a pmln minister might have stated this to pressurize Pak army and extra concessions from them (refer to Dawn Leaks for previous history) and stay in power to loot Pakistan, but I have not seen proof of that either.


Also, I cannot comprehend how do you benefit from accusing your country for something it gains nothing from.

I already posted a video of sitting interior minister admit to kasb being pakistani.
 
University alumni association members are not hosted by others? That doesn't mean that if they open a website and post their opinion it becomes a fact.

I don't know what to say when you call a reputed journalist like Moeed as a student who opened a website and wrote whatever he wanted to.

Almost every Pakistani knows about Moeed, he has worked for decades with multiple channels even Geo news.

I will share more about his wikileaks and indian courts claims later.
 
I don't know what to say when you call a reputed journalist like Moeed as a student who opened a website and wrote whatever he wanted to.

Almost every Pakistani knows about Moeed, he has worked for decades with multiple channels even Geo news.

I will share more about his wikileaks and indian courts claims later.

I am talking about GVS.

Regarding Moeed's claim, Ajmal Kasab was convicted and his conviction was upheld by the higher courts. So how was the evidence weak as per Indian courts?
 
If guilty he should be punished by Pak and no one else will punish him. Unlike India we don't have a PM who does nothing against his own terrorists.
 
If guilty he should be punished by Pak and no one else will punish him. Unlike India we don't have a PM who does nothing against his own terrorists.

Yea, we have seen over the years how you have treated Hafeez Saeed who is a internationally sanctioned terrorist by United Nations Security Council, India, the United States, the United Kingdom, the European Union, Australia, and Russia.
 
Yea, we have seen over the years how you have treated Hafeez Saeed who is a internationally sanctioned terrorist by United Nations Security Council, India, the United States, the United Kingdom, the European Union, Australia, and Russia.

Hafiz saeed used to roam around the streets. One time i remember his jalsa boys arrived in islamabad on packed buses with the police providing escort. This was before 2017....

His arrest is probably topi drama for fatf and would be out again when things cool down and international community isnt watching us
 
It is claimed by a Pakistani. If evidence was weak, how was Kasab convicted and hanged?

Almost all Indian and western media keep mentioning the $10 million bounty on Hafiz Saeed’s head announced by the US, without even hinting that Secretary Clinton actually announced $10 million as a reward to anyone providing information that can link Hafiz Saeed with Mumbai terrorism. Her actual words, while speaking in New Delhi were:

“As part of our “Rewards for Justice” program, we have offered a $ 10 million reward that could lead to the arrest or conviction of Hafiz Saeed in those attacks. Our “Rewards for Justice” offer demonstrates our seriousness in obtaining additional information that could withstand judicial scrutiny at least to arrest or conviction and brings the perpetrators and planners of the Mumbai attacks to justice.”(Clinton, New Delhi, April 3 2012)

Clinton’s initiative was clearly yet another US concession to India which uses its burgeoning relations with America essentially to constrain and contain Pakistan, but US Media, brewing on their own and Indian narratives, were shocked; questions were raised in state department briefing next day, April 4, that what have been talking all these years, if we did not have any evidence. Mark Toner, state department spokesman, clarified the next day in these words:

“Just to clarify, the $10 million is for information that – not about his location, but information that leads to an arrest or conviction. And trdhis is information that could withstand judicial scrutiny, so I think what’s important here is we’re not seeking this guy’s location. We all know where he is. Every journalist in Pakistan and in the region knows how to find him. But we’re looking for information that can be usable to convict him in a court of law..”

Much has been written in newspapers, magazines, online publications, Facebook and Twitter and much has been debated by think tanks and diplomats behind the scenes and by Bollywood through celluloid products but what evidence was exactly offered by the Indian government, in Mumbai Police Case No. 175 of 2009, that linked Hafiz Saeed (Accused No.1 of 35 accused) with the terror attacks in Mumbai on 26 Nov 2008? This question must possess journalists, columnists, authors and researchers but also diplomats, lawyers and intelligent citizens. So what is this evidence?

Indian Judge examining the maps and the evidence concluded that Mumbai police had made a bogus case because the quality of information (maps on record by the prosecution) Fahim Ansari allegedly provided or could provide was far inferior than what was easily available from Google and the witness against them was not reliable.

The prosecution challenged trial court decision all the way till Indian supreme court and their case was rejected by courts at all levels. Finally, Fahim was acquitted from the Indian Supreme court in 2013. All this has been reported by Indian media and anyone can access this. Sabeeh-ud-Din case, linked with Fahim Ansari, followed a similar trajectory.


Cables of Ambassador Anne Patterson
If Wikileaks had leaked, T.C.A Raghavan’s cable of Aug 22, 2008, then it also leaked Ambassador. Anne Patterson’s cable of April 2009 to her principals in Washington. Patterson, then Washington’s point person in Islamabad, was one of the senior-most US diplomats that earned the respect of her interlocutors wherever she worked.

I recently met ex-President, Asif Ali Zardari and as we talked casually about international relations, I was struck by the level of respect he showed for Anne Patterson and her integrity. Patterson in her cable No. 206598, of 12 May 2009, (SUBJECT: MUMBAI PROSECUTION UPDATE: PAKISTAN LACKS EVIDENCE TO CONVICT TOP SUSPECTS) informed Washington that India (GOI, as she refers in her cable) has failed to provide any certified substantive evidence against the accused in Pakistan.

She demands that Washington must persuade India to come forth with more substantive evidence otherwise the case in Pakistani courts will soon collapse; following is an exact excerpt from the summary of this cable:

“While the FIA and prosecutors have been able to use the repeated extensions to gather more evidence, time is running out, and the prosecution does not/not have enough evidence to convict the top Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) suspects, Lakhvi, Zarar Shah, and al Qama. If the FIA does not receive the necessary third-country evidence from the GOI (or the FBI after GOI approval), these three suspects will likely be acquitted and released. Repeated USG interventions at several levels with the GOI have not yielded any certified evidence being passed to the GOP. If the top LeT terrorists are released, India will certainly accuse Pakistan of a lack of good faith in prosecuting and of directly sponsoring terrorism against India..”

Ambassador Patterson’s cable in para 4 also mentions that, “FIA does not/not have enough independent evidence to successfully prosecute the senior LeT leaders, Lakhvi, Shah, and al Qama. Unfortunately, due to political pressure, the FIA was put in the position of arresting and charging the three individuals before it had conducted a complete investigation or collected the proper evidence..”


As mentioned earlier, both Fahim Ansari and Sabeeh-ud-Din (66% of the evidence Indians relied upon against accused in Pakistan) were soon acquitted by Indian courts of all charges related to Mumbai terrorism. Ajmal Kasab recanted his confession later and took the stand that confession was extracted from him under duress.

This makes his confessional statement legally inadmissible to be used against others he had earlier accused. However, problems with Indian position on Ajmal Kasab do not end there. While Pakistani government never sought consular access for Kasab, Pakistani investigators did.

Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) and police officers who were working to piece the story together for the trial of accused in Pakistan wanted to cross-examine Kasab on his confessional statement. They were repeatedly denied by Indian authorities.


The same happened to the lawyers of the defendants; they under law had the right to cross-examine the person whose statements and evidence was being used to frame their clients. However, after several months of wrangling, and frustrating debate, all what they could get was access to the Mumbai police officers who had recorded Ajmal Kasab’s statement.

As soon as name Ajmal Kasab had appeared on horizon, immediately in the aftermath of Mumbai terrorism, in December 2008, there were murmurs in Islamabad that Ajmal Kasab might be an agent of LeT or even some Pakistani agency but he was someone who had entered India from Nepal, 2-3 years ago and was considered lost; he was believed to be in Indian custody – just like Col. Habib who recently disappeared from Nepal (after RAW Officer Kulbhashan’s arrest in Pakistan) and is believed to be in possession of Indian external agency.

These arguments, from hushed hushed discussions in drawing rooms, soon reached television programs and such programs do exist on YouTube – and have been written about in major papers. When Kasab’s confessional video, from a hospital bed, appeared on Indian TV and on YouTube, Pakistanis were struck by the fact that he spoke Urdu/Hindi in a local (Marathi) accent, and did not sound like a young Punjabi lad from Pakistan.

Most Indians easily ignored this aspect, westerners off course had no capacity to pick up such subtle shades of ethnicity and dialects, but Punjabi Pakistanis, native to Punjabi street, were intrigued that this young man, from dusty Farid kot, not formally educated, does not exhibit the usual rough Punjabi accent, of how you utter words and syllables, that easily creeps into the Urdu expressions of all less educated Punjabis.

In 1992, the then Indian PM, Narasimha Rao, had ordered Indian intelligence, in what has been described as “Rao Doctrine” to initiate a strategy of isolating Pakistan by getting it declared as a “terrorist state”. Al Faran terror group, that abducted western tourists and beheaded some, appeared soon afterwards. Pakistanis and their jihadi assets in Kashmir had immediately cried that “Al Faran” appears to be an Indian ploy.




Link is in post number 2.

Kasab speaks with an indian accent, RAO doctrine should answer your question regarding why he was convicted.

indias own courts and US ambassador Anne Patterson have confirmed that the proof is not sufficient for a conviction.
 
He never said that, he said pmln claim that to hurt Pakistan.

Oh bhai, watch the video its in plain urdu. Lol he never used the word claim. This is why i asked if you understand urdu when sharing the link.....

You can spin it as you like. The ajmal kasab doscussion ended the day sheikh rasheed admitted to him being a pakistani
 
Oh bhai, watch the video its in plain urdu. Lol he never used the word claim. This is why i asked if you understand urdu when sharing the link.....

You can spin it as you like. The ajmal kasab doscussion ended the day sheikh rasheed admitted to him being a pakistani

lol.

You think because one man said something it must be correct?

Aunty Benazir said Osama Bin Laden was killed well before the Americans claim. But you wont take Bilos mother word who you support but will take someones word you dont. :zardari
 
Oh bhai, watch the video its in plain urdu. Lol he never used the word claim. This is why i asked if you understand urdu when sharing the link.....

You can spin it as you like. The ajmal kasab doscussion ended the day sheikh rasheed admitted to him being a pakistani

I did and he never said Kasab is from Pak, he said what I mentioned in my last post, please do not spread lies.

Also, why did Zardari kill his wife?

While you are at it, also share why Kasab has an indian accent?
 
I did and he never said Kasab is from Pak, he said what I mentioned in my last post, please do not spread lies.

Also, why did Zardari kill his wife?

While you are at it, also share why Kasab has an indian accent?

Kasab was not Pakistani. Even after arrest he was using the term Bhagwan, he was a Hindu patsy.

For those who havent seen him.


If anyone wants to read more details on the false flag, bump up the threads relating to the tragedy.
 
lol.

You think because one man said something it must be correct?

Aunty Benazir said Osama Bin Laden was killed well before the Americans claim. But you wont take Bilos mother word who you support but will take someones word you dont. :zardari

One man? This one man was the interior minister of imran khan. An interior minister is not a small thing.

Interior minister admitted kasab being pakistani and that ends all speculation.

You are welcome to make a thread on bin laden.
 
One man? This one man was the interior minister of imran khan. An interior minister is not a small thing.

Interior minister admitted kasab being pakistani and that ends all speculation.

You are welcome to make a thread on bin laden.

And Bhutto was your hero, PM of Pakistan, who was targeted , knew inside info about many security issues. But you dont believe her so is she lying.

No need my point is one can take anyones word when it suits them.

He wasnt a minister when the attacks took place but was only passing on what he may have been told. A schoolkid could understand this.

We can bump up the thread of this being an inside job, where I and others have posted many holes in the official story. The smoking gun was the terrorists FIRST targeted the Indian cop who was investigating Hindu extremists killing but blaming Muslims.
 
And Bhutto was your hero, PM of Pakistan, who was targeted , knew inside info about many security issues. But you dont believe her so is she lying.

No need my point is one can take anyones word when it suits them.

He wasnt a minister when the attacks took place but was only passing on what he may have been told. A schoolkid could understand this.

We can bump up the thread of this being an inside job, where I and others have posted many holes in the official story. The smoking gun was the terrorists FIRST targeted the Indian cop who was investigating Hindu extremists killing but blaming Muslims.

Plz do share link to the thread or bump it.

Anyways, an interior ministers comment cannot be ignored.
 
Plz do share link to the thread or bump it.

Anyways, an interior ministers comment cannot be ignored.

Link to what?

Ive just made the point. To add there are hundreds of quotes I can give you which you dont agree with. An Interior minister is only following what the info given.
 
Kasab was not Pakistani. Even after arrest he was using the term Bhagwan, he was a Hindu patsy.

For those who havent seen him.


If anyone wants to read more details on the false flag, bump up the threads relating to the tragedy.

This a narco analysis video. Do read up how thats done and what people do under its influence.

Kasab was a Pakistani and various pakistani government has accepted that. Your denial makes no difference.
 
This a narco analysis video. Do read up how thats done and what people do under its influence.

Kasab was a Pakistani and various pakistani government has accepted that. Your denial makes no difference.

These guys lives in a parallel world :))

Now suddenly Mumbai attacks were false flag (like 9/11 was) and Kasab was not a Pakistani (just like Laden was never found in Pakistan).

Don't know what to say.
 
These guys lives in a parallel world :))

Now suddenly Mumbai attacks were false flag (like 9/11 was) and Kasab was not a Pakistani (just like Laden was never found in Pakistan).

Don't know what to say.

A bit like Sajir Mir. He was declared dead until he was convicted a few months back, both claims made by the same country Pakistan in a matter of a few weeks.

And i have seen how so many Pakistanis claim because of India Pakistan is in the FATF grey list. Well it seems they eventually had to end up pleasing India by arresting this terrorist in order to get out of the list. Now few posters would jump and say India has no power in FATF, and to them my question will be the same - either India has or it doesn't have, but make up your mind on what you think, lest it becomes another of Sajid Mir dead or alive dispute.
 
Yea, we have seen over the years how you have treated Hafeez Saeed who is a internationally sanctioned terrorist by United Nations Security Council, India, the United States, the United Kingdom, the European Union, Australia, and Russia.

He has not been found guilty of anything! If we go what the American's say then Modi is the biggest terrorist in the world. We caiught your Kulbushan red handed and also took care of Sarbjit Singh good and proper. What did you do about the many Pakistanis killed by Indian Hindu terrorists on the Samjhauta Express? Nothing!
 
They are just doing it to get off the FATF radar. Taiba had nothing to do with the attack
 
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So who was involved?

Eyewitnesses saw the terrorists drinking beer shortly before the attack, alot also described the terrorists as being white skinned with blonde hair. Don't think you`ll find much beer drinking white skinned and blonde haired militants in the LeT
 
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