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Starting Asia Cup , Pakistan came as Favorites to win this Asia Cup 2023

but from well settled and good looking ODI XI to Confused and panicked ODI side at the end of Asia Cup !

What Went Wrong in my OP:

- A lot of Travelling for Host Team.
- Playing in Lankan Wet Condition caused injuries / Unfit for 50 overs cricket.
- Probably worst spin attack.
- Out of form / senseless players keep playing in XI (Shadab and Fakhar Zaman)
- Weak Captaincy.
- Sloppy fielding / lack of attitude

May be this is a blessing in disguise before world cup as we can make some changes and our squad is tested already.

Big plus is we will not go in World cup as favorites !
 
The batting again let the team down. Pak probably would have won the match today had Rauf and Naseem played.
 
Pakistan’s batting and fielding has been dreadful in this tournament. Rizwan’s keeping was awful, multiple dropped chances. Babar’s captaincy was absolutely garbage as well, poor toss decision in the second match against India, poor handling of middle overs. Bowling wise we have a severe issue in middle overs as our spinners cannot spin the ball at all. Agha Salman types dont deserve to be in ODIs.
 
I dont know but without Naseem and Haris Rauf , we looked awful in pace attack
 
Thier should definitely be changes fakhar and Fahim should be dropped.
 
The team might have been settled but it was far from competent. The Asian cup exposed serious deficiencies within the team and management and I hope selectors and the board can learn from the painful lessons learned here.

Pakistan simply needs to ditch these fake allrounders and go with specialist batsmen and bowlers. Only one fake allrounder (Iftikhar) should be accommodated. Shadab, Nawaz, Salman Agha, Faheem should be dropped.
 
The issue starts with Pakistan opener Fakhar who is badly out of form. Babar did not really step up in the Asia cup and Shaheen Afridi overall was a disappointment in the tournament. It is like expecting India to win with Rohit, Kohli and Bumrah not contributing.
Pakistan still has time to rectify the opening problem and the Spin problem. They can easily replace Shadab with a leggie that can actually land the ball on the pitch. Whichever team hits the form at the right time will go deep in WC.
 
zains_rulez said:
Same we did to India in T20i WC, 2021
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Actually no. India were professional in spite of the demoralizing defeats and regrouped very well and just moved on. I had made this exact comment in another thread to contrast India's professionalism against the current Pakistan team's fragile mental state.

Pakistan handed them hefty defeats in Big tournament knockouts - Finals of CT17 and a big game in T20 world cup. Much bigger and higher profile defeats (albeit lower margin defeats) than what Pakistan had in the current Asia cup. But the Indian team were professional about it and just dusted it off, and moved on.

Contrast this to the deer in the headlights reaction of the Pakistan team after the big India defeat when batting. I do concede that Rauf and Naseem not being present left a big void in the pace attack but man, the batting, spin attacks, missed keeper catches .... to me the team seemed to reek of fragile nerves after the India defeat. I wish I were wrong about this, but doesn't seem so.
 
Well settled team? are we talking about same team? Fakhar/Shahdab been a suspect for a while now, Imam is highly inconsistent, only thing settled was our pace attack and all of a sudden SSA is having a bad week and everything has fallen apart, let's put it this way, our bowling attack was giving an illusion of a well settled team which was shattered in a week's time.
 
Savak said:
India sucked the soul out of the Pakistani team. Transformed the entire team into kittens with one trashing.
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I keep reading this. Unless they beat up 4/5 players into injury, it’s simply not true
 
The team wasn't well-settled to begin with only deluded fans thought that the team was settled because for the past couple of years, we have only played against C teams & that was the only reason behind the chest-thumping from the deluded fans. Every sensible fan knew that this team has a lot of flaws like Imam's SR, Fakahr being a hack, Babar being the king of soft runs, no middle order, no spin department, and fast bowlers who only knew how to bowl in supporting conditions.
 
Uhh we weren't settled mate.

Even at our best we have 4 accumulators at the top order, a bits and pieces middle order, and a secondary spin/medium pace bowling depth that hinders and damages and causes problems for our world class trio.

^^ That's a recipe for disaster and can only work against 2nd string sides or minnows.
 
PakLFC said:
The batting again let the team down. Pak probably would have won the match today had Rauf and Naseem played.
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It is pakistan's problem that they did not develop their bench. They kept playing same XI against AFG, Netherlands etc. India kept giving chances to players like ishan and it paid off. So the excuse of Rauf n Naseem is not valid.
 
no planning, just overly relying on our three pacers.
bad captaincy as usual no field awareness
unsettled side with bettwr batsman like abdullah shafique and saud shakeel not getting games but players like agga salman and fakar zaman prefered
imad wasim needs to be brought in
 
ex-q-zit said:
It is pakistan's problem that they did not develop their bench. They kept playing same XI against AFG, Netherlands etc. India kept giving chances to players like ishan and it paid off. So the excuse of Rauf n Naseem is not valid.
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I've never come across a Captain who keeps playing the so called winning 11z until that winning 11 loses.

Like what sense does that even make? That literally destroys any chance of grooming a player in the squad.
 
ex-q-zit said:
It is pakistan's problem that they did not develop their bench. They kept playing same XI against AFG, Netherlands etc. India kept giving chances to players like ishan and it paid off. So the excuse of Rauf n Naseem is not valid.
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This problem has been haunting us since time began:)
 
It looked like a settled team because the main players were getting the job done. Once they lost form, the others could not step up.

But I think the Asia Cup has actually settled the team better for the World Cup because it's exposed the failure of certain players who otherwise would have been picked. Fakhar, Faheem, Wasim Jr are definitely going out.
 
I still see this as a massive overreaction.

The game against India was rain anffected and we didn’t have Haris bowling that day and Naseem Shah injured during his last over. Against Sri Lanka, no Naseem, Haris, or Imam Ul Haq. Regardless of what you think of these 3 players they are the best we have and we were missing them.

The rain affected game was also just a sham. ODI’s are meant to be played on one day for a reason. Not this stop and start nonsense where the weather conditions so massively affect the game.

The path forward is pretty simple.

Fakhar Zaman has to go until he regains form. One of Shadab of Nawaz has to be replaced for a real spinner. Abdullah Shadique has to be given a lot of tries as opener. And finally we need Haris or Saud Shakeel in our line up for Agha Salman depending on the conditions.

1) Abdullah Shafique
2) Imam
3) Babar
4) Rizwan
5) Haris/Saud
6) Iftikhar
7) Shadab/Nawaz
8) Full time spin option/4th pacer depending on pitch
9) Shaheen
10) Rauf
11) Naseem

This is a competitive team. Ideally I’d prefer Saud at 4 and Rizwan move to 5, but after todays innings I think Rizwan will be staying at 4.
 
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160KPH said:
I still see this as a massive overreaction.

The game against India was rain anffected and we didn’t have Haris bowling that day and Naseem Shah injured during his last over. Against Sri Lanka, no Naseem, Haris, or Imam Ul Haq. Regardless of what you think of these 3 players they are the best we have and we were missing them.

The rain affected game was also just a sham. ODI’s are meant to be played on one day for a reason. Not this stop and start nonsense where the weather conditions so massively affect the game.

The path forward is pretty simple.

Fakhar Zaman has to go until he regains form. One of Shadab of Nawaz has to be replaced for a real spinner. Abdullah Shadique has to be given a lot of tries as opener. And finally we need Haris or Saud Shakeel in our line up for Agha Salman depending on the conditions.

1) Abdullah Shafique
2) Imam
3) Babar
4) Rizwan
5) Haris/Saud
6) Iftikhar
7) Shadab/Nawaz
8) Full time spin option/4th pacer depending on pitch
9) Shaheen
10) Rauf
11) Naseem

This is a competitive team. Ideally I’d prefer Saud at 4 and Rizwan move to 5, but after todays innings I think Rizwan will be staying at 4.
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Sri Lanka themselves were missing Hasaranga ,their best player, and 2 of their main fast bowlers- Chameera and Kumara. If anything, through Wellalage, Pathirana and Madhushanka they proved that they have better depth than Pakistan... And we are talking about Sri Lanka, who themselves are not a top side. The scenario against England, Australia, India, New Zealand could be worse... We already saw that in the game against India.

There are problems in this team, they don't have time now to correct those on the field... But I agree with your suggestion of dropping Nawaz or Usama for a better spinner, Shakeel in the middle order for Agha and Shafique to open ahead of Fakhar.

Nothing else can be done at this stage anyhow.
 
zains_rulez said:
Starting Asia Cup , Pakistan came as Favorites to win this Asia Cup 2023

but from well settled and good looking ODI XI to Confused and panicked ODI side at the end of Asia Cup !

What Went Wrong in my OP:

- A lot of Travelling for Host Team.
- Playing in Lankan Wet Condition caused injuries / Unfit for 50 overs cricket.
- Probably worst spin attack.
- Out of form / senseless players keep playing in XI (Shadab and Fakhar Zaman)
- Weak Captaincy.
- Sloppy fielding / lack of attitude

May be this is a blessing in disguise before world cup as we can make some changes and our squad is tested already.

Big plus is we will not go in World cup as favorites !
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Our ODI team when all settled and in form is a good team. Not a top team because Australia, India and England are playing better Cricket at the moment.

However, all the reactions and panic buttons aside. There are two major issues that need to be resolved before key World Cup matches begin.

1. Ability of spinners to take wickets in the middle overs.

Even before the Asia Cup, Pakistan had one of the worst, if not the worst spin bowling averages and strike rates among the full members.

We saw it getting more exposed in this Asia Cup. Even if the pacers pick up 3-4 wickets in the powerplay. You need your spinners to do their job pick up the key wickets in the middle overs.

If Shadab and Nawaz are not picking up wickets in the middle order. Perhaps it is time to give Usama a proper run or pick a spinner from the domestic circuit like Abrar. Yes, the desperation should be there in this regard because the team cannot play the World Cup with a toothless spin attack.

2. Fakhar Zaman's recent form.

Fakhar without a doubt has been an instrumental opener for Pakistan in ODIs in the last few years. He was even the highest run scorer for Pakistan before the start of the Afghanistan series I believe. But his current form has hurt Pakistan.

Now the World Cup is going to be at a different and at a different location. Fakhar has proven before that he is a match winner and I think you cannot just leave him out of World Cup. Particularly when you don't have his replacement ready.

If Fakhar is dropped. You will need to have a batter of a play style like him, because you cannot have a monotonous anchor style top 4 in the World Cup. But the there is no replacement ready for him. Is it going to be Mohammad Haris? Who has never opened in ODIs? There's an argument to be made that his style of play is even more riskier than Fakhar. What if Haris doesn't perform in the opening spot? Who is your back up?

So all an all these two issues are not going to be easy to solve. Specially when you know there's most likely not going to be any matches of sorts going into the World Cup. But need to be resolved somehow, if Pakistan wants to be a team that can win this World Cup.
 
Energy said:
It looked like a settled team because the main players were getting the job done. Once they lost form, the others could not step up.

But I think the Asia Cup has actually settled the team better for the World Cup because it's exposed the failure of certain players who otherwise would have been picked. Fakhar, Faheem, Wasim Jr are definitely going out.
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And guess what, other rubbish players like Rizwan and Chacha will go into the World Cup

So nothing you have argued has an real value im afraid
 
Rana said:
And guess what, other rubbish players like Rizwan and Chacha will go into the World Cup

So nothing you have argued has an real value im afraid
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You can live in the fantasies of your world. I'll stick to reality in which Rizwan and Chacha are contributing 100x better than Fakhar.

If you're speaking about real value then show me the numbers. If you can't show numbers then don't debate.
 
The real problem for Pakistan is that the major teams don’t play their full-strength squads against Pakistan in bilateral white ball cricket.

Pakistan plays almost all of its matches against the backup players of Australia, England and New Zealand and beating those teams gives them a false sense of security and leads to an overestimation of their capabilities as a team.

Then when the time comes for serious cricket, their shortcomings are exposed and they are left wondering what happened. Then it is time to fish for excuses - injuries, too much traveling, weather etc.

The ranking system is flawed because you will get the same points for beating Australia whether Australia is playing Ben McDermott or Steve Smith at number 3.

As long as Pakistan doesn’t get to play the best players from the best teams all year round, there will always be a gap between the actual capability of the team and what the players, fans and media thinks the capability of the team is.

Let’s accept the following facts. It would be a good starting point:

Pakistan is NOT the number 1 ODI team. If Pakistan plays a series against full strength Australia, England, India and New Zealand, they will lose every time everywhere.

Babar is NOT the best ODI batsman in the world. He would struggle to break into the top 5 if he is regularly playing against the best players from the best team.

His mediocre performances in the last three tournaments over the last 12 months in the prime of his career against full-strength squads shows that he is not the player his fans think he is. There are 2-3 better batsmen than him in every top team.

Rizwan is not the best WK batsman in the world. Again, on true relative strength, he won’t even be top 5.

Shaheen is not the best fast bowler in the world. Again, he would struggle to break into the top 5.

The trio of Shaheen, Naseem and Rauf is good but not the best in the world as we like to believe.

The spinners of Pakistan are probably the worst in the world.

Pakistan, at best, is fighting for the 5th best team spot alongside South Africa and is marginally ahead of West Indies and Sri Lanka.

The top four (in no particular order) of England, India, Australia and New Zealand are very very close and Pakistan is clearly a level below.

Accept this reality, manage your expectations accordingly and stop this settled team and best this and that drama.

We are NOT the best in any facet of the game.
 
Today India rested so many of their players to play a dead game against Bangladesh.

Babar would have played full strength today as well if he was in this position lol.
 
Rana said:
“Yea we need winning combination to stay gelled”
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That doesn't even make sense. Playing the so called winning 11 means that not only do players not get groomed, the bench strength ends up lacking confidence and plays pressure situations, and then their dropped for failing despite being asked to play in unfair circumstances with zero match practise. It also just makes our main players injury prone and they end up hospitalised.
 
Mamoon said:
The real problem for Pakistan is that the major teams don’t play their full-strength squads against Pakistan in bilateral white ball cricket.

Pakistan plays almost all of its matches against the backup players of Australia, England and New Zealand and beating those teams gives them a false sense of security and leads to an overestimation of their capabilities as a team.

Then when the time comes for serious cricket, their shortcomings are exposed and they are left wondering what happened. Then it is time to fish for excuses - injuries, too much traveling, weather etc.

The ranking system is flawed because you will get the same points for beating Australia whether Australia is playing Ben McDermott or Steve Smith at number 3.

As long as Pakistan doesn’t get to play the best players from the best teams all year round, there will always be a gap between the actual capability of the team and what the players, fans and media thinks the capability of the team is.

Let’s accept the following facts. It would be a good starting point:

Pakistan is NOT the number 1 ODI team. If Pakistan plays a series against full strength Australia, England, India and New Zealand, they will lose every time everywhere.



Babar is NOT the best ODI batsman in the world. He would struggle to break into the top 5 if he is regularly playing against the best players from the best team.



His mediocre performances in the last three tournaments over the last 12 months in the prime of his career against full-strength squads shows that he is not the player his fans think he is. There are 2-3 better batsmen than him in every top team.



Rizwan is not the best WK batsman in the world. Again, on true relative strength, he won’t even be top 5.



Shaheen is not the best fast bowler in the world. Again, he would struggle to break into the top 5.



The trio of Shaheen, Naseem and Rauf is good but not the best in the world as we like to believe.



The spinners of Pakistan are probably the worst in the world.



Pakistan, at best, is fighting for the 5th best team spot alongside South Africa and is marginally ahead of West Indies and Sri Lanka.



The top four (in no particular order) of England, India, Australia and New Zealand are very very close and Pakistan is clearly a level below.



Accept this reality, manage your expectations
accordingly and stop this settled team and best this and that drama.

We are NOT the best in any facet of the game.
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The bolden points are all very true & reflects the reality. Any sane rational fan should be able to accept them. Unfortunately the immature blind worshippers will refuse to accept them & term "hater" "jealous " towards anyone who dares to point these out.
 
Mamoon said:
The real problem for Pakistan is that the major teams don’t play their full-strength squads against Pakistan in bilateral white ball cricket.

Pakistan plays almost all of its matches against the backup players of Australia, England and New Zealand and beating those teams gives them a false sense of security and leads to an overestimation of their capabilities as a team.

Then when the time comes for serious cricket, their shortcomings are exposed and they are left wondering what happened. Then it is time to fish for excuses - injuries, too much traveling, weather etc.

The ranking system is flawed because you will get the same points for beating Australia whether Australia is playing Ben McDermott or Steve Smith at number 3.

As long as Pakistan doesn’t get to play the best players from the best teams all year round, there will always be a gap between the actual capability of the team and what the players, fans and media thinks the capability of the team is.

Let’s accept the following facts. It would be a good starting point:

Pakistan is NOT the number 1 ODI team. If Pakistan plays a series against full strength Australia, England, India and New Zealand, they will lose every time everywhere.

Babar is NOT the best ODI batsman in the world. He would struggle to break into the top 5 if he is regularly playing against the best players from the best team.

His mediocre performances in the last three tournaments over the last 12 months in the prime of his career against full-strength squads shows that he is not the player his fans think he is. There are 2-3 better batsmen than him in every top team.

Rizwan is not the best WK batsman in the world. Again, on true relative strength, he won’t even be top 5.

Shaheen is not the best fast bowler in the world. Again, he would struggle to break into the top 5.

The trio of Shaheen, Naseem and Rauf is good but not the best in the world as we like to believe.

The spinners of Pakistan are probably the worst in the world.

Pakistan, at best, is fighting for the 5th best team spot alongside South Africa and is marginally ahead of West Indies and Sri Lanka.

The top four (in no particular order) of England, India, Australia and New Zealand are very very close and Pakistan is clearly a level below.

Accept this reality, manage your expectations accordingly and stop this settled team and best this and that drama.

We are NOT the best in any facet of the game.
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Quoted for truth.

Everyone should read this to understand why Asia Cup was a disaster.

If we continue to blame rain, traveling and scheduling as the reasons for poor performance then the World Cup is as much as gone.
 
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Mamoon said:
The real problem for Pakistan is that the major teams don’t play their full-strength squads against Pakistan in bilateral white ball cricket.

Pakistan plays almost all of its matches against the backup players of Australia, England and New Zealand and beating those teams gives them a false sense of security and leads to an overestimation of their capabilities as a team.

Then when the time comes for serious cricket, their shortcomings are exposed and they are left wondering what happened. Then it is time to fish for excuses - injuries, too much traveling, weather etc.

The ranking system is flawed because you will get the same points for beating Australia whether Australia is playing Ben McDermott or Steve Smith at number 3.

As long as Pakistan doesn’t get to play the best players from the best teams all year round, there will always be a gap between the actual capability of the team and what the players, fans and media thinks the capability of the team is.

Let’s accept the following facts. It would be a good starting point:

Pakistan is NOT the number 1 ODI team. If Pakistan plays a series against full strength Australia, England, India and New Zealand, they will lose every time everywhere.

Babar is NOT the best ODI batsman in the world. He would struggle to break into the top 5 if he is regularly playing against the best players from the best team.

His mediocre performances in the last three tournaments over the last 12 months in the prime of his career against full-strength squads shows that he is not the player his fans think he is. There are 2-3 better batsmen than him in every top team.

Rizwan is not the best WK batsman in the world. Again, on true relative strength, he won’t even be top 5.

Shaheen is not the best fast bowler in the world. Again, he would struggle to break into the top 5.

The trio of Shaheen, Naseem and Rauf is good but not the best in the world as we like to believe.

The spinners of Pakistan are probably the worst in the world.

Pakistan, at best, is fighting for the 5th best team spot alongside South Africa and is marginally ahead of West Indies and Sri Lanka.

The top four (in no particular order) of England, India, Australia and New Zealand are very very close and Pakistan is clearly a level below.

Accept this reality, manage your expectations accordingly and stop this settled team and best this and that drama.

We are NOT the best in any facet of the game.
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Pakistan is fighting for 4th place with South Africa actually.

Not sure how you can rate NZ when they've been struggling to do anything themselves.

Their bowling has been absolute cannon fodder apart from Boult and Henry.

They are easily the weakest of the top 6 sides
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Pakistan is fighting for 4th place with South Africa actually.

Not sure how you can rate NZ when they've been struggling to do anything themselves.

Their bowling has been absolute cannon fodder apart from Boult and Henry.

They are easily the weakest of the top 6 sides
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Full-strength New Zealand would beat Pakistan over the course of an ODI series.

Full-strength New Zealand beat Pakistan 2-1 in the 3 match ODI series in Jan 2023.

Few months later, they toured again for another ODI series, this time with their key players missing due to IPL and Pakistan defeated.

Pakistan is a complete phony team in terms of rankings.

9/10 times, full strength New Zealand would beat full strength Pakistan over a 3/5 match ODI series regardless of the venue.
 
Mamoon said:
Full-strength New Zealand would beat Pakistan over the course of an ODI series.

Full-strength New Zealand beat Pakistan 2-1 in the 3 match ODI series in Jan 2023.

Few months later, they toured again for another ODI series, this time with their key players missing due to IPL and Pakistan defeated.

Pakistan is a complete phony team in terms of rankings.

9/10 times, full strength New Zealand would beat full strength Pakistan over a 3/5 match ODI series regardless of the venue.
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It wasn't full strength Pakistan in the 2-1 series because Shaheen wasn't playing. I don't need to tell you how important he is for us.
 
Marooned said:
It wasn't full strength Pakistan in the 2-1 series because Shaheen wasn't playing. I don't need to tell you how important he is for us.
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Wouldn’t make a difference. Full strength of Pakistan is not good enough to beat any full strength top side.

Furthermore, if you can’t beat a full strength team at home without one of your key players then you are not that good to begin with.
 
Mamoon said:
Wouldn’t make a difference. Full strength of Pakistan is not good enough to beat any full strength top side.

Furthermore, if you can’t beat a full strength team at home without one of your key players then you are not that good to begin with.
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Our situation is different. We face a major drop off especially without Shaheen. If Shaheen misses out, we are significantly weaker. His absence hurts us much more than any other player.

I'd agree any of our claim to being a top 2-3 side in odis is limited to the 1st XI.
 
This is what Pakistan cricket is all about. Imad wasim is looking in good form. He can replace shahdab and Saim Ayub can be used as an opener instead of Fakhar Zaman. Abdullah Shafique can be used as inning builder player with babar. And rizwan should open innings in ODIs too.
 
Mamoon said:
Wouldn’t make a difference. Full strength of Pakistan is not good enough to beat any full strength top side.

Furthermore, if you can’t beat a full strength team at home without one of your key players then you are not that good to begin with.
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Fair point.
Although ide encourage you to take a look at the SA and Aus sides India lost to recently. They too were missing key players but still beat India.
I think no one is playing full strength sides so the results even out.
You are right that Pak mostly does but the fact that Pak leaves out talented players due to politics like Wasim Jr over Amir, Nawaz over Imad, Agha Salman over Haris Sohail, it could be argued that even Pak doesn’t play full strength sides.
 
Farabi said:
Fair point.
Although ide encourage you to take a look at the SA and Aus sides India lost to recently. They too were missing key players but still beat India.
I think no one is playing full strength sides so the results even out.
You are right that Pak mostly does but the fact that Pak leaves out talented players due to politics like Wasim Jr over Amir, Nawaz over Imad, Agha Salman over Haris Sohail, it could be argued that even Pak doesn’t play full strength sides.
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For batting maybe (especially if you believe that the talent outside the team is crazy better than the ones playing now).

However, Pakistan manages to play Naseem, Shaheen and Rauf against Iceland so our bowling is pretty much top strength each and every single time.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
For batting maybe (especially if you believe that the talent outside the team is crazy better than the ones playing now).

However, Pakistan manages to play Naseem, Shaheen and Rauf against Iceland so our bowling is pretty much top strength each and every single time.
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In theory, yea, but when have they all been available at the same time since Aus T20 WC.
 
I feel like Abdullah and imam will open, our think tank is brain dead lol.

Rizwan and Babar ain't going anywhere from their spots.
 
Savak said:
India sucked the soul out of the Pakistani team. Transformed the entire team into kittens with one trashing.
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Not really as Pakistan fought really well against SL so they bounced back well. Babar's captaincy is sure a huge worry for Pakistan before world cup
 
How were pak favourites they were lucky to beat bangladesh who have players missing
 
team looks well settled but our captain seems to be somewhat uncertain about whom to choose and whom to exclude.
 
Missing Naseem Shah and Haris Rauf for the most important was the biggest setback for Pakistan. Our fast bowling department is the strongest in the team and with this department had an issue, our team was always gonna struggle.
 
Abdullah
Imam
Babar
Rizwan


With this top four seems like we are aiming to set a target of 250 and chase about 230. Seems like a test top 4 rather than an ODI.
 
Syed1 said:
Abdullah
Imam
Babar
Rizwan


With this top four seems like we are aiming to set a target of 250 and chase about 230. Seems like a test top 4 rather than an ODI.
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This should be our Top 4 in the World Cup followed by Saud Shakeel at number 5.
 
With Imam and Fakhar's poor form and Naseem's injury, the Pakistan team looking toothless, especially in the fast bowling department.
 
Our 11 has never been settled since I started watching lol. It's ironically more settled now then in Asia cup.

Don't understand how clueless babar is, It doesn't take a genuis to figure out that your 2 best batsmen in Sri Lankan test shpuld have been given odi match practise against afg odi series and Nepal.

Our reserves are superior to our bench strength lol.

Abrar + Zaman + Haris >>>>> Fakhar + Waseem JR + Usama + Agha lol. Only usama is the exception. Fakhar, Waseem and agha are all useless lol.
 
Playing their first ODI since participating in the ICC ODI World Cup 2023, Pakistan continues to struggle with the same issue: a lack of temperament to play out a complete 50-over innings
 
mominsaigol said:
Our 11 has never been settled since I started watching lol. It's ironically more settled now then in Asia cup.

Don't understand how clueless babar is, It doesn't take a genuis to figure out that your 2 best batsmen in Sri Lankan test shpuld have been given odi match practise against afg odi series and Nepal.

Our reserves are superior to our bench strength lol.

Abrar + Zaman + Haris >>>>> Fakhar + Waseem JR + Usama + Agha lol. Only usama is the exception. Fakhar, Waseem and agha are all useless lol.
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I've never said fakhar or salman were useless? Never?

These 2 are players I back. Find that comment, cause I guarantee you I've never claimed this.

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RedwoodOriginal said:
I've never said fakhar or salman were useless? Never?

These 2 are players I back. Find that comment, cause I guarantee you I've never claimed this.

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Comment from October 14th 2023? Lol Saal ho gya hai 🤣🤣. Anyway this was stated when they were put of form, Times have changed. I've changed my opinions.

You on the other hand haven't changed any opinions 🤣🤣🤣
 
mominsaigol said:
Comment from October 14th 2023? Lol Saal ho gya hai 🤣🤣. Anyway this was stated when they were put of form, Times have changed. I've changed my opinions.

You on the other hand haven't changed any opinions 🤣🤣🤣
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"I've never said fakhar or salman were useless? Never?

These 2 are players I back. Find that comment, cause I guarantee you I've never claimed this."
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
"I've never said fakhar or salman were useless? Never?

These 2 are players I back. Find that comment, cause I guarantee you I've never claimed this."
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But I never said they were useless. Does this comment claim I said they were useless?

Where is it written?
 
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Rizwan's captaincy has been really good in this match. He has gone aggressive with the pacers rather than saving their overs for the end. Knowing full-well that with this total Pakistan can only win by taking wickets. If Babar was captain he would have given 5 overs to Agha.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Rizwan's captaincy has been really good in this match. He has gone aggressive with the pacers rather than saving their overs for the end. Knowing full-well that with this total Pakistan can only win by taking wickets. If Babar was captain he would have given 5 overs to Agha.
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Oh look another gem. Hopefully pakistan wins
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
Which team are going to become a fan of after Australia loses?
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No other team, I stay loyal and I back every player. Unlike you who only backs the Misbah circle.

The tantrums you threw for sajid khan's inclusion 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
A year ago you were a PCT fan. It's only natural to ask which team you will start following next.
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I always backed NZ and Aus tbf.

1) Aus
2) NZ
3) Pak

^^ Top 3, but not rizzu is captain. Soooooooooo.

Regardless if pakistan wins then I'll be upset cause I am not happy at how aussie is performing. It sucks and now I understand what you go through when pakistan is in a bad phase.
 
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Okay so, New Zealand is next. Good to know.Let me know when I can start calling you a fake Kiwi
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Bro whatever, you're a fake pakistani anyway.

Any overseas pakistani who tells me they are patriotic towards their country, I always take such a statement with a grain of salt.

If you were born overseas it would make sense, however those who were born in pakistan and willingly chose to leave and decided to pay taxes and contribute towards the economy of a another country, Then they have no right to call themselves a pakistani fan.

I don't need a defector and a hypocrite telling me what's what. No wonder the people who like your comments are country defectors as well.
 
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mominsaigol said:
Bro whatever, you're a fake pakistani anyway.

Any overseas pakistani who tells me they are patriotic towards their country, I always take such a statement with a grain of salt.

If you were born overseas it would make sense, however those who were born in pakistan and willingly chose to leave and decided to pay taxes and contribute towards the economy of a another country, Then they have no right to call themselves a pakistani fan.

I don't need a defector and a hypocrite telling me what's what. No wonder the people who like your comments are country defectors as well.
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I don't know what you're on mate. But I am a Pakistani who lives in Pakistan. Since you obviously don't know anything about me, I would advice you to refrain from talking out of my rear end.
 
Is Pakistan regaining form in ODIs?

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