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Here is the pattern. All to do with mindset:

1. If Pakistan is given half a chance (key word: expectation) to win an important game, entire team loses its mental strength. It plays well in patches, particularly when all hope is lost (cue: Wahab spell vs. Watson, Hassan Ali innings vs Aus yesterday). The moment there is any chance to win, all kinds of doubts set in.

2. If Pakistan has nothing to lose and are rank outsiders (England game in WC19, even CT17 final), then it plays freely. Players give it their all. There is no expectation.

Against India, there is an outside chance of winning, solely due to Pakistan team's excellent performance against England (a game they were set to lose, so played freely.) So I expect them to fold at key moments.

The only way to break this rut: someone has to tell them they have no chance to win this game, so might as well go out and play their natural game.

Who will do it? Not Mickey (he is on retirement pay), not Sarfaraz (he is not the one to say they have lost even if they can see it on his face) and not Azhar Mahmood (he is not a motivator.)

My hope is someone like Amir or Wahab (or even Babar) gets up in pre match team meeting and reminds them what it is like to play for the shirt.
 
Pakistan always plays well when the other team is tipped more heavily than the actual difference in quality between the sides. That was the case against England and it is also the case against India.
 
As I have said before, the lower the expectation you have from Pakistan cricket team, the higher their chances of winning!
 
Pakistan wont lose the match even if they want to. Coz match won't happen in the first place.
 
Do we need mental strength treatment? Like a motivator that can change the mental attitude?

Seriously, all my life, I have seen us collapse like a house of cards chasing. MOSTLY after a set batsman gets out playing a stupid shot.
 
Sadly history shows the op to be right. Winning and losing is part of the game but I want to see passion from the them. None of this desperation to be friendly with people who hate you.
 
Depends on the toss and conditions. We can win if Asif and Shaheen in particular don't play. India start as overwhelming favourites.
 
we just have to stay in the game and see what happens. Learn from the aussies. I want them to fight till the end..I mean they hung in there against the aussies which was good but we should have won it..but the performance was ok..yes we dropped catches but i give Asif a pass..also it was pretty gloomy out there and we arent the best on good days..

I hate it when we go in there, give them 380 and then we just fold..whats the point if your just going to give up..I want a real fight..Because I know this, if we click and lets be honest we havent really fired in ages, but if we fire we will win..

Unfortuantley we havent fired for 20 matches lol
 
Evenly matched side. Could go either way just because it is happening in England as Amir comes alive here. Anywhere else India would be firm favorites.
 
Every single Pakistan-India game I’ve ever been too, I was always tensed, Said to myself Pakistan could win. We have a chance, I can’t believe I’m saying this but I’ve never been so sure we’d lose to India than Sunday.

Still going regardless of course to support my team but it hurts when your arch rivals are that good and you are just, forever unpredictable to say the least.
 
Why are people hell bent on raining the match off ! There is 30 percent chance of rain and that to after 3pm
 
Pakistan batsmen dropping catches, getting run out in world cups happens every year. There is one more thing Pakistan is good at in world cups. Extras specialists in world cups.
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Keeping all the factors aside we'll lose because of sheer difference in class and quality of players.
India has hammered us most of the times weve played them in last few years and CT final was just an aberration
 
Lol
We will loss irrespective of our mental strength because we are simply not good enough as compare to them

They are few level above us in quality.
 
Afhan Ali said:
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We will loss irrespective of our mental strength because we are simply not good enough as compare to them

They are few level above us in quality.
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But Pakistan has two guys who generally do well against India. Hafeez and Malik. Bit like Salman Butt who always did well against us.
 
Cricket isn't played on paper. It's played on the field and the deciding factor is how well the guys play that day. India can have a bad day, so can Pak. India have historically been better at handling pressure.
If Pak have a bad day, it won't be a surprise. If India do, they might get blamed for complacency although I don't feel Rohit or Kohli will be taking them lightly, Kohli atleast.

If Pak somehow get Rohit and Kohli inside the first powerplay, the chances of Pakistan winning will increase a lot but the problem there is that we only have one proper new ball bowler and none to partner him who can utilize it. We had Junaid, yet we persisted with Hasnain. Although, if Hasnain is given a chance, he might turn out to be a surprise factor something like Talha was in Asia Cup 2014. F or some reason, I do feel like they will take a gamble on Hasnain for Hasan/Shaheen. I would go in with 4 pacers plus Shadab and Hafeez. Hafeez to only bowl if the pacers are going for plenty. THere isn't a single leftie in the Indian team now, so Hafeez will be pretty useless there. Our best player of spin ie Malik has probably played his last ODI, and is woeful beyond words in England.

I would take a gamble with opening with Imam and Babar. Babar is technically more proficient to face Bumrah and Bhuvi than Fakhar. Plus he tends to play freely as well. Fakhar can come in at 3 once the swing has gone away a bit.
 
Only ducks seen on sunday will be the ones enjoying the rain. Its like a monsoon outside right now.
 
The unbeaten record will continue, other than Amir we don't have an X factor, we saw that against Aus game, one person cannot turn it around, he did all he can humanely possible but it wasn't enough. CT Final win was a one-off thing because our improved Afridi 2.0 got out on a no ball and made best of his chances, may not happen again or ever. So the streak continues.
 
We can win only if we field well. In Mohali semi final we dropped Sachin two or three times and it made the difference.
 
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Corridor of Uncertainty said:
Here is the pattern. All to do with mindset:

1. If Pakistan is given half a chance (key word: expectation) to win an important game, entire team loses its mental strength. It plays well in patches, particularly when all hope is lost (cue: Wahab spell vs. Watson, Hassan Ali innings vs Aus yesterday). The moment there is any chance to win, all kinds of doubts set in.

2. If Pakistan has nothing to lose and are rank outsiders (England game in WC19, even CT17 final), then it plays freely. Players give it their all. There is no expectation.

Against India, there is an outside chance of winning, solely due to Pakistan team's excellent performance against England (a game they were set to lose, so played freely.) So I expect them to fold at key moments.

The only way to break this rut: someone has to tell them they have no chance to win this game, so might as well go out and play their natural game.

Who will do it? Not Mickey (he is on retirement pay), not Sarfaraz (he is not the one to say they have lost even if they can see it on his face) and not Azhar Mahmood (he is not a motivator.)

My hope is someone like Amir or Wahab (or even Babar) gets up in pre match team meeting and reminds them what it is like to play for the shirt.
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Very good point.
Though Pakistan is not a very much capable team anymore like in the past , Pakistan's main problem gets psychological in crucial moments in a match. That's why they looses from a winning position very often.
 
Pakistan going to lose. I reckon if they win they will probably go on to win the World Cup as it would be a major boost!
 
India has some new players who will want to grab this opportunity with both hands. Should be an easy win for them.
 
Runner Up said:
Bhai jan we can win only if we field well. In Mohali semi final we dropped Sachin two or three times and it made the difference.
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Fielding is an art and it has to come natural. You can work hard and improve. But you can get only so far. Under same set up Shadab fields better. So it is all down to individuals. Kohli is one of the worst catcher India has seen. He worked hard and he has improved. Even then in this IPL he dropped the highest number of catches. Rahane, Pandey are two of the outstanding catchers. Jadeja is another who can also throw well.
 
Pakistan is winning this game on Sunday. I usually don’t make predictions but I truly believe our missing pieces are falling into place slowly. There was pressure on top order because we were told our lower order is hitting is non existent. Well, Hassan and Wahab proved that wrong. The earlier we were saying our bowling is pathetic. now Amir, Wahab and Shadab are here and doing well. Our top order needs to refocus and put runs on the board, which I am sure they will now.

India will be without Dhawan and that’s a big loss. We just need to get Sharma and Kohl’s our and That will set the cat amongst the pigeons!
 
Stewie said:
Pakistan is winning this game on Sunday. I usually don’t make predictions but I truly believe our missing pieces are falling into place slowly. There was pressure on top order because we were told our lower order is hitting is non existent. Well, Hassan and Wahab proved that wrong. The earlier we were saying our bowling is pathetic. now Amir, Wahab and Shadab are here and doing well. Our top order needs to refocus and put runs on the board, which I am sure they will now.

India will be without Dhawan and that’s a big loss. We just need to get Sharma and Kohl’s our and That will set the cat amongst the pigeons!
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Hoping for a thriller and nail bitting match.
 
This is the only match that will salvage anything from this WC.

We are unlikely to go to SF so at least beat IND and come home.
 
Unless rain saves Pakistan, I think it will be a fairly easy win to India.

India have better batting, bowling & fielding units.

Realistically, how many Pakistan players would make the Indian side (if we're honest). ? 2 at the most?
 
JibranAnsari said:
i think we are going to win. Imam to score 150 and sarfraz will score 100.
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You dont realise how much damage it would be to our cricket if Sarfraz scores a hundred. I have already mentally prepared myself to see him exit our team set up post WC.
 
Snatch said:
Unless rain saves Pakistan, I think it will be a fairly easy win to India.

India have better batting, bowling & fielding units.

Realistically, how many Pakistan players would make the Indian side (if we're honest). ? 2 at the most?
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gazza619 said:
You dont realise how much damage it would be to our cricket if Sarfraz scores a hundred. I have already mentally prepared myself to see him exit our team set up post WC.
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This is the problem with some Pak ‘fans’

Is it not better to support the captain in these tough times rather than hoping he fails??
 
There is more pressure on India to win, not because of qualifying but due to the recent events where they have been embarrased.

Pakistan need to put on a par score batting first or dont allow India to go over par. IF this happens, Im backing Pakistan to win this one.
 
I would not count on us losing to the Indians .... but they are definitely a stronger side than us !!!
 
gazza619 said:
You dont realise how much damage it would be to our cricket if Sarfraz scores a hundred. I have already mentally prepared myself to see him exit our team set up post WC.
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he is still the most capable wk batsman in pakistan.
 
Junaid_ahmed said:
Babar
Hafeez
Amir
Riaz
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Amir definitely, Babar maybe (players like Shaw, Gill etc. were left out)
Hafeez, no... his recidivism is unacceptable.
Riaz, no thanks... I like the guy as a person but we already have another Indian player who is a fast spray gun Umesh.
 
Junaid_ahmed said:
Babar
Hafeez
Amir
Riaz
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Amir definitely, Babar maybe (players like Shaw, Gill etc. were left out)
Hafeez, no... his recidivism is unacceptable.
Riaz, no thanks... I like the guy as a person but we already have another Indian player who is a fast spray gun Umesh.
 
If Pakistan bat first and get 280+ there is a decent chance. If India bat first it is almost impossible for us to win
 
gazza619 said:
You dont realise how much damage it would be to our cricket if Sarfraz scores a hundred. I have already mentally prepared myself to see him exit our team set up post WC.
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Do you expect it. A century for Sarfaraz will be like lifting the WC for him. He is that mediocre.
 
Our team is so bad that even Afghanistan this team can loose by big mergin. There is a huge gap between teams in n terms of every aspect which includes talent, skill, mental toughness. Any win against top 5 teams is like miracle. Our best batsman Babar will not even good enough to be any squad of top 4 teams. Only Amir is the lone super star in the team.
I wish all the best for my team but don’t want to disappointed after a huge loss against them. If both Amir or Babar fail we may loose by 10 wickets or 150 runs.
 
Runner Up said:
We can win only if we field well. In Mohali semi final we dropped Sachin two or three times and it made the difference.
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Why does Pakistan field well in some matches and not in others? Why did they drop Sachin?

Because on the day, they couldn't handle the pressure.
 
Why has Pakistan lost every series deciding ODI in the last couple of years (such as last series in SA)?

Why does Pakistan make fielding lapses (like dropping Sachin in Mohali, Finch in Taunton) at crucial times?

Because they do not have someone in leadership who can take pressure off them.

Why did the phrase 'cornered tigers' work for them in the famed 92 World Cup?

Because they had someone who took that pressure off them by telling them there is nothing to lose.

It's all a mindset thing.

Pakistan is a very good team. Good batting line up, decent bowling and fielding. They have run good teams close in their home grounds time and time again - yet lost by narrow margins only at the finish line.

They have in them to beat any team in the World Cup. But no one has put their hands up and taken that pressure off them.

This is the job Ronaldo did for Portugal at the Euros or Simeone did for Ateletico. A good team given belief by one man.

Who will do this?
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
Why has Pakistan lost every series deciding ODI in the last couple of years (such as last series in SA)?

Why does Pakistan make fielding lapses (like dropping Sachin in Mohali, Finch in Taunton) at crucial times?

Because they do not have someone in leadership who can take pressure off them.

Why did the phrase 'cornered tigers' work for them in the famed 92 World Cup?

Because they had someone who took that pressure off them by telling them there is nothing to lose.

It's all a mindset thing.

Pakistan is a very good team. Good batting line up, decent bowling and fielding. They have run good teams close in their home grounds time and time again - yet lost by narrow margins only at the finish line.

They have in them to beat any team in the World Cup. But no one has put their hands up and taken that pressure off them.

This is the job Ronaldo did for Portugal at the Euros or Simeone did for Ateletico. A good team given belief by one man.

Who will do this?
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Younis khan in 2009 world t20
"This is not real cricket, its like wwf".
Pakistan went on to win the cup!
 
Captain caveman said:
Younis khan in 2009 world t20
"This is not real cricket, its like wwf".
Pakistan went on to win the cup!
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That is a very good example. Thank you.

Younis was very chilled at that world cup - helped take pressure off the entire team.

Contrast that with Afridi at WorldT20 in India!
 
There is no ‘favourite’ when it comes to an India - Pakistan match. How the teams look on paper doesn’t matter. You can’t use any logical calculations to make predictions in this case :).
 
Why is it that shoaib malik who know one wants to play is going to play his last world cup game against india while shoaib akhtar could not play his last game against india in a world cup .....
 
Captain caveman said:
Big matches are determined by 50% on field skill and 50% in the mind.
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Upto 2003 we were the superior team skill wise but india were mentally stronger, there had a fearless approach because they were expected to lose. Hence, no pressure!
In 2011 both teams were incredibly nervous, but the home advantage and a completely indian crowd pull india thru.
2015 india were completely superior to us both skill wise and mentally!

Tomorrow, is anyones game!
But i predict that the team who holds its nerves the best will win!
 
Apart from the West Indies game Pakistan have shown a lot of fight in the other two games . The way they regrouped after the West Indies game and turned it around against England two days later should not be underestimated and shows the team has character . The Australia defeat was disappointing as we made mistakes at key junctures but even in that game we showed some character.

Apart from the CT final Pakistan has not really been able to put India under any real pressure in recent contests between the two teams . That’s why it’s necessary if we bat first put a fighting total on the board and without stating the obvious get early wickets .

Fakhar, Amir , hassan , wahab , Babar , Shadab , and even Hafeez , they all hah the ability to win the match for Pakistan .

Bumrah is a threat but so the are two spinners . I’ll be there supporting the boys .

As a realist I would say 65-35 India .
 
GreenKhan said:
Apart from the West Indies game Pakistan have shown a lot of fight in the other two games . The way they regrouped after the West Indies game and turned it around against England two days later should not be underestimated and shows the team has character . The Australia defeat was disappointing as we made mistakes at key junctures but even in that game we showed some character.

Apart from the CT final Pakistan has not really been able to put India under any real pressure in recent contests between the two teams . That’s why it’s necessary if we bat first put a fighting total on the board and without stating the obvious get early wickets .

Fakhar, Amir , hassan , wahab , Babar , Shadab , and even Hafeez , they all hah the ability to win the match for Pakistan .

Bumrah is a threat but so the are two spinners . I’ll be there supporting the boys .

As a realist I would say 65-35 India .
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I was a big fan of 'fight'. But Pakistan has shown fight in majority of ODIs in the last 4-5 years that they have eventually lost.

Unfortunately the prevailing currency in world cricket, or any profession, is not 'fight' but 'results.'

Time to cross the finish line, don't you think?
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
I was a big fan of 'fight'. But Pakistan has shown fight in majority of ODIs in the last 4-5 years that they have eventually lost.

Unfortunately the prevailing currency in world cricket, or any profession, is not 'fight' but 'results.'

Time to cross the finish line, don't you think?
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Perfectly put.
 
Effectively, OP is implying that safi is a poor captain and leader!
He puts pressure on players, instead of taking it off.
And even worse, he cant win the game for pak, when they are in trouble, so the rest of the players dont look up to him as the leader, because your leader should be your best player and a true world class player!
 
Though i am no fan of malik, i believe he will be useful against india's spinners. Also as a senior, he gives reasurance to the younger players.

I would make 2 changes
Haris and imad in.
Asif and shaheen out.

If they do this, my prediction is a
PAKISTAN WIN
 
If Shadab plays and if Hasnain is given a shot instead of Shaheen...Pakistan win the game. You heard it here first.
 
Captain caveman said:
Upto 2003 we were the superior team skill wise but india were mentally stronger, there had a fearless approach because they were expected to lose. Hence, no pressure!
In 2011 both teams were incredibly nervous, but the home advantage and a completely indian crowd pull india thru.
2015 india were completely superior to us both skill wise and mentally!

Tomorrow, is anyones game!
But i predict that the team who holds its nerves the best will win!
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I understand from your post that tomorrow in terms of skill & mental toughness, both teams are at per .... hence anyone's game.
 
The thread title is ridiculous, but the content of the OP is probably not far from the truth.

Pressure should be on India, but Pakistan always plays like they have too much to lose. This is why I absolutely detest fake bravado from the likes of Sarfraz when he starts talking about Indian weaknesses. This is totally the wrong way to go about it.

India is the superior team, but Pakistan has the sort of players who can worry any opposition. We should play like underdogs who have nothing to lose. Let them worry about the pressure of being favourites.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
I was a big fan of 'fight'. But Pakistan has shown fight in majority of ODIs in the last 4-5 years that they have eventually lost.

Unfortunately the prevailing currency in world cricket, or any profession, is not 'fight' but 'results.'

Time to cross the finish line, don't you think?
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Definitely this is the results business and ultimately that’s what is that matters . I thought against England they showed great character , I remember attending the match fearing the worse.

Hopefully more of the same against India which ultimately leads to a victory .
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
Why does Pakistan field well in some matches and not in others? Why did they drop Sachin?

Because on the day, they couldn't handle the pressure.
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It was not one of incident. They are always like that. They pick players on reputation not because of skills. Asif Ali is the example.
 
Everyone knows Pakistan start as 70% favourites. Let's hope Indian boys are up to the challenge
 
Let's be realistic. It would hurt but let's just admit India are way way better than us in each every department of Cricket on and off the field.

What I have found disgusting in this tournament from us is lack of basic discipline in each every department and lack of intensity. If they can keep up the intensity for 100 overs like in England match atleast we will have a match otherwise it's going to be one-sided drubbing
 
Technics 1210 said:
Well if the OP is convinced Pakistan will lose, then don't watch the match.
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I have seen many posters raising this point. I mean why should he not watch the match? He obviously likes the game of Cricket and knowing beforehand who's going to win (Like with 90-95% probability) shouldnt stop him from tuning into cricket
 
hur rizvi said:
I have seen many posters raising this point. I mean why should he not watch the match? He obviously likes the game of Cricket and knowing beforehand who's going to win (Like with 90-95% probability) shouldnt stop him from tuning into cricket
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It is called compensation psychology.

If he knows for sure who is going to win, not only is there any point in watching the match, but he should bet all the money he has on India winning.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
Here is the pattern. All to do with mindset:

1. If Pakistan is given half a chance (key word: expectation) to win an important game, entire team loses its mental strength. It plays well in patches, particularly when all hope is lost (cue: Wahab spell vs. Watson, Hassan Ali innings vs Aus yesterday). The moment there is any chance to win, all kinds of doubts set in.

2. If Pakistan has nothing to lose and are rank outsiders (England game in WC19, even CT17 final), then it plays freely. Players give it their all. There is no expectation.

Against India, there is an outside chance of winning, solely due to Pakistan team's excellent performance against England (a game they were set to lose, so played freely.) So I expect them to fold at key moments.

The only way to break this rut: someone has to tell them they have no chance to win this game, so might as well go out and play their natural game.

Who will do it? Not Mickey (he is on retirement pay), not Sarfaraz (he is not the one to say they have lost even if they can see it on his face) and not Azhar Mahmood (he is not a motivator.)

My hope is someone like Amir or Wahab (or even Babar) gets up in pre match team meeting and reminds them what it is like to play for the shirt.
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Good post mate.

Truer words have never been spoken.
 
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