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What are the reasons for Pakistan being safe to play cricket again?

Is it the general security situation in the country or the fact that PCB admin have been able to convince other nations in a better way than before?
 
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Not too sure on Pakistan politics, but I think there was an operation by the army in 2014 in Waziristan to eliminate terror which greatly helped improve Pakistan's safety.
 
Najim Sethi.. it’s all because of the great Najim Sethi who single handedly defeated all enemies of the state and convinced teams to return to Pakistan.. in fact he is still playing a part behind the scenes today orchestrating all these tours by foreign teams. All hail the great Sethi!
 
It is because the army has greatly reduced terrorism in Pakistan no doubt about it. Without them Pak would have been like Syria, Yemen and Iraq,
 
Army!!! Though Imran Khan also deserves a bit of credit.

shame that the army didnt intervene for nearly a decade during Nawaz Zardari regime and we all saw the results.
 
Better suited for TP section tbh, especially if you're bringing the role of Army and other political issues
 
gazza619 said:
Army!!! Though Imran Khan also deserves a bit of credit.

shame that the army didnt intervene for nearly a decade during Nawaz Zardari regime and we all saw the results.
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Then you would have said army does not support a democratically elected government. Army needs the support of the government like it has got now.
 
Whatever may be the reason, it's a great news that cricket in Pakistan is back. Congratulations to all Pakistanis.
 
Lahorijat said:
Is this because of Imran Khan and army taking control? Or is it because the war on terror is finally finished after osama bin laden? Or Taliban is tired of fighting? Who should get the credit for cricket for safety in Pakistan?
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Even though I am a supporter of Imran Khan but he must chew on his own words when he was not the PM, and said that with this kind of security protocol, you can even invite a team and play in Baghdad.

With Indian RAW teaming up with the Indian govt to destabilize Pakistan and choke any kind of international cricket, I don’t think Pakistan is safe for intl games without this presidential level security.

Our enemy is always looking to breach. And we must stay on the alert.
 
PakLFC said:
Then you would have said army does not support a democratically elected government. Army needs the support of the government like it has got now.
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If a democratically elected govt means those two goons, then i am all for army not supporting them.

Back to cricket, PCB and Wasim Khan also deserve a lot of credit for fast tracking the process. I didnt expect tours to happen this early.
 
I'm the happiest Indian you will find with cricket returning to Pakistan. I just hope nothing bad happens in the future that might spoil the herculean effort by the PCB in the last 12 years to bring cricket back to Pakistan.
 
MenInG said:
Keep discussion around cricket.
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Not possible because the security issues have nothing to do with cricketing reasons. It would be better if this thread is moved to TP otherwise a meaningful discussion is not possible.
 
Mamoon said:
Not possible because the security issues have nothing to do with cricketing reasons. It would be better if this thread is moved to TP otherwise a meaningful discussion is not possible.
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Moderator - move to TP section ok with me.
 
Zarb e Azb - began mid 2014 and after the APS massacre the army escalated operations to fully eradicate terrorism across Waziristan, FATA, Balochistan. Ended up bring the TTP (the primary instigators of terrorism in the country) under control.

The economy’s been getting better, crime rates have gone down, Pakistan feels a lot safer.
 
I'm not convinced until it's safe enough for international cricketers to walk around freely without any security detail; it's easy to get away with airtight security due to the pandemic, cause everyone has to live in a bubble right now but prior to that I remember the Sri Lankan cricket team were complaining about being holed in their hotel room the entire tour.
 
Everyone’s reading from the ISPR propaganda sheet and talking about zarb-e-this and zarb-e-that.

The reality is that the security problems in Pakistan - more specifically the terrorism - was because of the homegrown terrorists that were being utilized by the military as paid goons.

However, the APS was the straw the broke the camel’s back. The military did not have a problem with civilians dying in terrorist attacks, but as soon as their children were attacked, they knew they had to act and clean up the mess they created in the first place.

We did not need the APS attack to initiate aggressive operations and the National Action Plan. If the military were serving national interests rather than self-interests, they would have acted a lot earlier and wouldn’t have let the situation exacerbate to the point where their own children had to die for them to realize that it was time to change the course of action.
 
Mamoon said:
Everyone’s reading from the ISPR propaganda sheet and talking about zarb-e-this and zarb-e-that.

The reality is that the security problems in Pakistan - more specifically the terrorism - was because of the homegrown terrorists that were being utilized by the military as paid goons.

However, the APS was the straw the broke the camel’s back. The military did not have a problem with civilians dying in terrorist attacks, but as soon as their children were attacked, they knew they had to act and clean up the mess they created in the first place.

We did not need the APS attack to initiate aggressive operations and the National Action Plan. If the military were serving national interests rather than self-interests, they would have acted a lot earlier and wouldn’t have let the situation exacerbate to the point where their own children had to die for them to realize that it was time to change the course of action.
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Some terrorists may have been home grown but the cat is out of the bag now. India has been supporting terrorism from across the border in Afghanistan. Pakistan has provided proof, Indians havent refuted the claims. We have caught their spy, Indians accepted he was.

Cricket has come back, Pakistan is imporving in many areas. Pakistan will never foget what India has done. You will see by 2030 India will have a sharp rise in terrorism within it's border, home grown of course.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Some terrorists may have been home grown but the cat is out of the bag now. India has been supporting terrorism from across the border in Afghanistan. Pakistan has provided proof, Indians havent refuted the claims. We have caught their spy, Indians accepted he was.

Cricket has come back, Pakistan is imporving in many areas. Pakistan will never foget what India has done. You will see by 2030 India will have a sharp rise in terrorism within it's border, home grown of course.
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Yes, this is not some groundbreaking news or secret revelation. The likes of K. Yadav didn’t need to be captured for us to know that India is supporting insurgencies in Afghanistan and Balochistan and have spies, just like we support insurgencies in Kashmir and have spies of our own.

Both ISI and RAW are involved in this game. Also, everyone knows that Pakistani state was involved in Mumbai attacks as well as the parliament attack in Delhi in 2001. No one is dumb enough to believe otherwise.

Pakistan also had a hand in the Pulwama attack. Pakistan is not a saint as much as you would like everyone to believe.

It is good that Pakistan will never forget what India has done. It should always remember that India helped break the country into two pieces and made a Pakistani general sign instrument of surrender in 1971 along with taking 90,000+ POWs.

That was the day Pakistan lost bragging rights forever. We cannot do anything except talk. Every time we have waged a war over Kashmir we have faced humiliation.

The only thing we have is lame chai jokes and Abhinandan, but that does not compensate for the humiliation we suffered in 1971.

Pakistan cannot do anything except talk. It is has zero international credibility and will always be in the shadow of India.

India will always be ahead of us in every aspect and we should make peace with our standing instead of biting more than we can chew.

Yes India will be strife with terrorism by 2030, Israel will cease to exist, entire Kashmir valley will be part of Pakistan, and Pakistan will be the leader of a United Muslim bloc with Imran Khan serving as its caliph. :91:

I hope by 2030 you finally stop daydreaming and a get a grip on your fantasies and delusions.
 
Giannis said:
I'm not convinced until it's safe enough for international cricketers to walk around freely without any security detail; it's easy to get away with airtight security due to the pandemic, cause everyone has to live in a bubble right now but prior to that I remember the Sri Lankan cricket team were complaining about being holed in their hotel room the entire tour.
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The country overall is safe except for Balochistan and FATA, however we know India is constantly looking for targets that will either further isolate or significantly harm Pakistan. Cricketers are easy targets for India.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, this is not some groundbreaking news or secret revelation. The likes of K. Yadav didn’t need to be captured for us to know that India is supporting insurgencies in Afghanistan and Balochistan and have spies, just like we support insurgencies in Kashmir and have spies of our own.

Both ISI and RAW are involved in this game. Also, everyone knows that Pakistani state was involved in Mumbai attacks as well as the parliament attack in Delhi in 2001. No one is dumb enough to believe otherwise.

Pakistan also had a hand in the Pulwama attack. Pakistan is not a saint as much as you would like everyone to believe.

It is good that Pakistan will never forget what India has done. It should always remember that India helped break the country into two pieces and made a Pakistani general sign instrument of surrender in 1971 along with taking 90,000+ POWs.

That was the day Pakistan lost bragging rights forever. We cannot do anything except talk. Every time we have waged a war over Kashmir we have faced humiliation.

The only thing we have is lame chai jokes and Abhinandan, but that does not compensate for the humiliation we suffered in 1971.

Pakistan cannot do anything except talk. It is has zero international credibility and will always be in the shadow of India.

India will always be ahead of us in every aspect and we should make peace with our standing instead of biting more than we can chew.

Yes India will be strife with terrorism by 2030, Israel will cease to exist, entire Kashmir valley will be part of Pakistan, and Pakistan will be the leader of a United Muslim bloc with Imran Khan serving as its caliph. :91:

I hope by 2030 you finally stop daydreaming and a get a grip on your fantasies and delusions.
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Are you a boomer? I don't know why you and Indians keep harping on about 1971, that was 50 years ago and over 90% of people on this forum weren't alive then or even anytime near it. 1971 has no affect South Asians of today, at least not the Millennial and Gen Z generations. Indian oldheads can obsess about the past but it has no relevance today, it's sort of like the 1992 world cup - you gotta get over it and move on otherwise you're in for a rude surprise.
 
Giannis said:
Are you a boomer? I don't know why you and Indians keep harping on about 1971, that was 50 years ago and over 90% of people on this forum weren't alive then or even anytime near it. 1971 has no affect South Asians of today, at least not the Millennial and Gen Z generations. Indian oldheads can obsess about the past but it has no relevance today, it's sort of like the 1992 world cup - you gotta get over it and move on otherwise you're in for a rude surprise.
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50 years or 5,000 years - 1971 will always be reminded whenever Pakistan forgets it’s past.

If Pakistan can talk about shooting a 60 year old plane and serving tea to an Indian pilot for 2 years and counting, India can also talk about the events of 1971 and the unprecedented humiliation that Pakistan suffered.

Pakistan can only get back at India for that humiliation (which was compounded during Kargil War) if it manages to liberate J&K, which will never happen.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, this is not some groundbreaking news or secret revelation. The likes of K. Yadav didn’t need to be captured for us to know that India is supporting insurgencies in Afghanistan and Balochistan and have spies, just like we support insurgencies in Kashmir and have spies of our own.

Both ISI and RAW are involved in this game. Also, everyone knows that Pakistani state was involved in Mumbai attacks as well as the parliament attack in Delhi in 2001. No one is dumb enough to believe otherwise.

Pakistan also had a hand in the Pulwama attack. Pakistan is not a saint as much as you would like everyone to believe.

It is good that Pakistan will never forget what India has done. It should always remember that India helped break the country into two pieces and made a Pakistani general sign instrument of surrender in 1971 along with taking 90,000+ POWs.

That was the day Pakistan lost bragging rights forever. We cannot do anything except talk. Every time we have waged a war over Kashmir we have faced humiliation.

The only thing we have is lame chai jokes and Abhinandan, but that does not compensate for the humiliation we suffered in 1971.

Pakistan cannot do anything except talk. It is has zero international credibility and will always be in the shadow of India.

India will always be ahead of us in every aspect and we should make peace with our standing instead of biting more than we can chew.

Yes India will be strife with terrorism by 2030, Israel will cease to exist, entire Kashmir valley will be part of Pakistan, and Pakistan will be the leader of a United Muslim bloc with Imran Khan serving as its caliph. :91:

I hope by 2030 you finally stop daydreaming and a get a grip on your fantasies and delusions.
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lol. The world has changed from 50 years ago, perhaps you havent noticed the nuclear bombs in Pakistan since. The only relevant point to this is India started terrorism in East Pakistan, they initiated the proxy war.

Im glad you accept Indian state terrorism in Pakistan. How many Pakistanis do you think they murdered? Rough guess will do.

You use the same lame arguments as Indians, Int crediblity means little in reality. Pakistan showed proof of Indian terrorism, so now Indians have lost crediblity from westerners too?

Nobody said Israel will cease to exist, you must hearing Jinn. But by the looks of it, it may even be Sikhs who will start with acts of terrorism against the Indian state. Lets see what happens.
 
Najam Sethi, Raheel Sharif, and Nawaz Sharif deserve the credit.

Najam Sethi bribed Zimbabwe and the World XI and Sri Lanka to tour Pakistan. This showcased that Pakistan can securely hold international cricket. And this is the reason we now can get teams like South Africa to tour without having to pay them.

Raheel Sharif launched operation Zarb e Azb, which lead to the decline of terrorism in Pakistan.

Nawaz Sharif appointed Najam Sethi as PCB chairman, and Raheel Sharif as COAS. So he should get some credit.
 
RAWALPINDI: Chief of the Army Staff (COAS) General Qamar Javed Bajwa Tuesday said that dividends of improved security situation including return of international cricket in the country was a result of numerous sacrifices rendered, and the challenges overcome to eliminate extremism and terrorism from the country. “We will stay the course InshaAllah,” the COAS said while presiding over the corps commanders’ conference.

The participants also undertook a comprehensive review of regional and domestic security environment with special focus on situation along borders, internal security and other professional matters of the army.

In the backdrop of Kashmir Solidarity Day, the forum noted positively the increasing realisation at international forums about the worsening humanitarian and security crises in Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu & Kashmir (IIOJ&K).

The forum reaffirmed Pakistan's unwavering support to resilient Kashmiri people for their just struggle for right to self-determination in accordance with relevant UNSC resolutions. Dilating upon Afghan peace process, the participants expressed hope for peaceful and stable Afghanistan for regional peace and stability.

Commanders noted that the enormity of the security challenges warranted a holistic national response, keeping national interest above everything else. Participants underscored the need to ensure continuous operational preparedness to thwart any possible misadventure from adversary.

The forum also deliberated on the improved security situation in erstwhile Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata/ Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa in detail and concluded the requirement for early implementation of reforms in newly merged tribal districts, especially towards enabling the law-enforcement agencies (LEAs) apparatus to achieve sustainable peace in the area.

The forum expressed complete satisfaction over countering hostile intelligence agencies’ designs to disrupt peace and progress, particularly in Balochistan and Gilgit-Baltistan, which lay exposed to the entire world now, vindicating Pakistan’s stance on the role of hostile agencies in training and funding of terrorists.

DG ISPR Major General Babar Iftikhar told the media that the recent report of the UN had also vindicated Pakistan’s assertions regarding activities of India funded terrorist organisations in the region. “With the UN report, India stands completely exposed with terror financing and funding terrorist organisations,” he said adding that Pakistan had already issued a dossier in this connection.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/78...-improved-security-brought-back-int-l-cricket
 
Army has played a huge role, the unfortunate incident of APS was wake up call. Since then Army has destroyed their capabilities of terrorism.
However, i wouldn't say it is safe at this stage, the day foreign players will mingle with locals at restaurants, that DAY will be safe to say SAFE.
 
I see the usual Indian secret trolls are here to derail the discussion so lets get it back on track.

Why is it safe for cricket again?

Well to fight your enemy you must first know your enemy. Unfortunately due to our great attaturk wannabe Musharaf sahib (mr i want to be a secular god and his miscalculations) we ended up creating a hornets next in the tribal areas. To the point where there could have been a serious rebellion within the ranks against Mushy sahib. So he started the mess, then failed to go through with his intentions (because he was a coward) and left an environment ripe for exploitation by our enemies.

And thats what they did. They hired bounty hunters, thieves, smugglers, drug lords, killers and small time tribals with delusions of granduer. Trained them up and unleashed them onto the state. Our lack of training, proper equipment and short sightedness lead to years of fire fighting, until the Swat operation and then further combat that pushed these groups out of key areas. thanks to visionaries like gen Tariq khan.

Contrary to the false news peddled above by some posters, it wasnt the APS murders that started it all but the SWAT operation. What the APS murders did was galvanise public opinion which was divided up until that point. Once APS happened it gave the military the green light to initiate an op they had been planning for years. The retaking of the tribal areas.

Once that was done and when Yadav was arrested, a treasure trove of intelligence and evidence was gathered that lead to the operation in karachi, operations in the punjab, in the kashmir too. There weer networks of spies and killers that had to be destroyed.

This all lead to the situation today where our intelligence services have reams and reams of information and a better understanding of how to stop this stuff.

Will we continue to see moments of violence? yes. can we see a massive attack? its always possible. However security is better overall. I travelled to pakistan frequently during that period and it was not great. I travelled very recently and it was alot better.

I could go into more details but I believe you should search online and on other forums for the right sort of information and not listen some of our resident baiters who dont really know what they are talking about.
 
Mamoon said:
Everyone’s reading from the ISPR propaganda sheet and talking about zarb-e-this and zarb-e-that.

The reality is that the security problems in Pakistan - more specifically the terrorism - was because of the homegrown terrorists that were being utilized by the military as paid goons.

However, the APS was the straw the broke the camel’s back. The military did not have a problem with civilians dying in terrorist attacks, but as soon as their children were attacked, they knew they had to act and clean up the mess they created in the first place.

We did not need the APS attack to initiate aggressive operations and the National Action Plan. If the military were serving national interests rather than self-interests, they would have acted a lot earlier and wouldn’t have let the situation exacerbate to the point where their own children had to die for them to realize that it was time to change the course of action.
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Aren't you contradicting yourself?

On one hand, you said, Pakistan Military hired the local goons to launch terrorist attacks on Pakistani civilians, and military had no problem with civilian dying."


So it looks like a total internal matter within Pakistan where Pakistani military hired local goons to kill the local civilians.


But then on the other hand, you said "Military's own kids were attacked and killed"?

How come?
Did Military direct it's paid local goons to attack the military kids?
Did military not pay enough to the local goons and hence they retaliated against Military and killed their kids?
What exactly made the paid local goons attack the kids of Military men?

Or the attackers on the military kids were not those local paid goons but someone else?
Really? who were they?
Afghanis?

How come Afghanis terrorists got involved in what was supposed to be a total internal matter of Pakistan, it's army and it's civilians?
 
LAHORE, Pakistan – Cricket Ireland is aware of an incident involving former Prime Minister Imran Khan that took place approximately 150km outside Lahore, venue of the three ODIs and three T20Is between Ireland Women and Pakistan Women.

Cricket Ireland is currently liaising with the Pakistan Cricket Board, in-country security advisors and diplomatic services. The PCB Chief Executive Faisal Hasnain has spoken directly with Cricket Ireland Chief Executive Warren Deutrom and Team Manager Beth Healy, and provided them with an updated assessment of the on-ground situation.

Current advice provided to Cricket Ireland is that there will be no change in the threat level as a result of this incident. The Ireland Women’s squad has been briefed, while Cricket Ireland’s security advisors will continue to review procedures and monitor the situation.

However, presently there are no anticipated changes to the security arrangements and procedures that are already in place for the tour.

Updates will be provided if any circumstances change.
 
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