Pakistan is the worst ODI team in the last 5 years (ignoring Zim and other associates)

[Joseph Gomes]

Pakistan has the worst win loss ratio among top 9 ODI teams since 2012 if you discount Zimbabwe and other associate nations. All minnows and associate nations are excluded as opponents

For comparison, India's W/L is 1.268
Sri Lanka's 0.933
Bangladesh 0.692
Pakistan 0.568



So yeah, even Bangladesh won more matches against the 'better' teams

If anybody was wondering why Pakistan's ranking is so low, now you know. They have been terrible for a long time now

 

[marlonbrowndo]

This is no surprise but our ODI team is slowly but surely improving and is going to be a very good outfit soon. Just have to kick out the passengers. In Babar, Sharjeel, Amir and Haris (when he comes back) we have 4 world class ODI players. If Umar is promoted to opener he will also be in that category. Hassan and Imad are also very good. That's 7 players out of 11 who are quality. Now we need to find a good hitter in the middle order (shahzaib should be tried) and a good young pacer + spinner. We are on our way to becoming a quality Limited Overs team. Need to kick out Azhar and the oldies. Really hope Arthur promotes Umar to opener. I'm sure it will pay off big time.

 

[Mobashir]

I think our biggest problem is fielding.
I hope it gets better in PSL with some good coaches and fielders/captains like McCullum.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Doesn't come as a surprise tbh.But we have a decent core of players to build a good team on.Need to improve our fielding big time.

 

[joly]

Pakistan can improve from here on, not very difficult to better 0.56 W/L, now that Sri Lanka are also on the decline and Pakistan producing better batsmen,there can only be a way up

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Pakistan has the worst win loss ratio among top 9 ODI teams since 2012 if you discount Zimbabwe and other associate nations. All minnows and associate nations are excluded as opponents

For comparison, India's W/L is 1.268
Sri Lanka's 0.933
Bangladesh 0.692
Pakistan 0.568

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So yeah, even Bangladesh won more matches against the 'better' teams

If anybody was wondering why Pakistan's ranking is so low, now you know. They have been terrible for a long time now

What is the W/L ratio of these teams from 2015-2017 ???

 

[ask_analyse_act]

didnt pak score 370+ against ZIMBOS in pakistan with malik firing a comeback ton... Not sure why it is says 364... was that considered a non-ICC match...

 

[saeed5646]

didnt pak score 370+ against ZIMBOS in pakistan with malik firing a comeback ton... Not sure why it is says 364... was that considered a non-ICC match...

read the title {Pakistan is the worst ODI team in the last 5 years (ignoring Zim and other associates)

 

[Madplayer]

Bangladesh and west indies have played far lesser games. The more you play against the top sides, the more your chances are of losing and worsening your record.

Doesnt mean Pakistan have not been poor.

 

[Obstructing_the_field]

This is no surprise but our ODI team is slowly but surely improving and is going to be a very good outfit soon. Just have to kick out the passengers. In Babar, Sharjeel, Amir and Haris (when he comes back) we have 4 world class ODI players. If Umar is promoted to opener he will also be in that category. Hassan and Imad are also very good. That's 7 players out of 11 who are quality. Now we need to find a good hitter in the middle order (shahzaib should be tried) and a good young pacer + spinner. We are on our way to becoming a quality Limited Overs team. Need to kick out Azhar and the oldies. Really hope Arthur promotes Umar to opener. I'm sure it will pay off big time.

exactly the reason y we r at no9... keep pushing for players who are immature, selfish, and out of their skin for nothing... players who show off before they perform... the sooner we get rid of players like akmal and haffezz and asad (ODI), the better we will be doing for our team...

 

[Joseph Gomes]

What is the W/L ratio of these teams from 2015-2017 ???

Pakistan, Sri Lanka and West Indies do even worse. Bangladesh has improved tremendously with W/L of almost 1

West Indies especially has regressed remarkably.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Bangladesh and west indies have played far lesser games. The more you play against the top sides, the more your chances are of losing and worsening your record.

Doesnt mean Pakistan have not been poor.

In the last 2 years, Pakistan have played 14 more games than Bangladesh and has won only 1 more. You really think Bangladesh will lose next 13 consecutive matches?

 

[Sidilicious]

Wow! so, India, after winning 7 out of 8 games in the WC, has only won 6 since then, and lost 13!!!

 

[arehaan]

Well Pak is a true reflection of where we stand in world cricket today. However, keep in mind we haven't been playing at home for a good time. Our youngsters don't get the same confidence of playing in front of home crowds on accustomed wickets.
The icing on the cake has been our cricket setup in itself which is a big joke where you picked an ODI captain based on perception. The guy wasnt good enough to play ODI World Cup in 2015 and he makes a comeback to the team not as a player alone but lets give him the captaincy as well given his YES Sir attitude.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Wow! so, India, after winning 7 out of 8 games in the WC, has only won 6 since then, and lost 13!!!

India has been riding on Virat Kohli's back for a while now. If Kohli fails, India loses. Maybe that will change soon with new youngsters

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Pakistan, Sri Lanka and West Indies do even worse. Bangladesh has improved tremendously with W/L of almost 1

West Indies especially has regressed remarkably.

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Wow. Bangladesh is*still on par with India in the time frame. Great improvement of Bangladesh team. Hope this year they remain ratio of 1 or higher.**

 

[ExpressPacer]

Wow. Bangladesh is*still on par with India in the time frame. Great improvement of Bangladesh team. Hope this year they remain ratio of 1 or higher.**

Bangladesh have benefited largely from playing at home. Don't see them winning half as much on tour.

 

[Statsman]

Their WL will decrease substantially if Bangladesh gets more ODI games in Australia/ England/ SA. That's where most Asian sides find it difficult. Till then they can enjoy WL of ~1 and a good ranking as well. They don't play in India as well which is also a tough place to win.

On merit they should get more games than Pakistan as the latter has performed very poorly in ODIs. Alas none of the overseas teams except maybe WI are interested in inviting Bangladesh.

 

[MRSN]

Bangladesh and west indies have played far lesser games. The more you play against the top sides, the more your chances are of losing and worsening your record.

Doesnt mean Pakistan have not been poor.

Now we are actually talking like minnows.

 

[Varun]

Wow! so, India, after winning 7 out of 8 games in the WC, has only won 6 since then, and lost 13!!!

We're the anti-South Africa. Terrible in JAMODIs. A little better when the tournaments come along.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Bangladesh have benefited largely from playing at home. Don't see them winning half as much on tour.

In that stat the 3 ODI defeat to*NZ are also included which*was the toughest away tour.

How many away matches did India played in that same time period (2015-2017)*? And what percentage of win matches were the away matches? Pls inform me.

 

[Statsman]

In that stat the 3 ODI defeat to*NZ are also included which*was the toughest away tour.

How many away matches did India played in that same time period (2015-2017)*? And what percentage of win matches were the away matches? Pls inform me.

Last 2 years India played 23 away/ neutral games and won 15 out of them.
Bangladesh played 9 and won 3.

For away games India played 15 and won 8. Bangladesh played 4 and won 0.

WL for India - 1.142. For Bangladesh - 0. Hope that answers.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Last 2 years India played 23 away/ neutral games and won 15 out of them.
Bangladesh played 9 and won 3.

For away games India played 15 and won 8. Bangladesh played 4 and won 0.

WL for India - 1.142. For Bangladesh - 0. Hope that answers.

If we deduct wc matches,then??

 

[Statsman]

Against test playing nations last 2 years:
Away/ neutral
India played 14 and won 6. WL ratio 0.75
Bangladesh played 8 won 1. WL ratio 0.142

 

[Joseph Gomes]

In that stat the 3 ODI defeat to*NZ are also included which*was the toughest away tour.

How many away matches did India played in that same time period (2015-2017)*? And what percentage of win matches were the away matches? Pls inform me.

India played 14 away and neutral ave matches in last 2 years, won 6 and lost 8 with W/L of 0.750 (not counting Zim and other associates)

At home India played 13 matches, won 7 lost 6 with W/L of 1.166 (not counting Zim and associates)

 

[Statsman]

If we deduct wc matches,then??

Why should we? What do you want to prove?

Any way as you know Bangladesh has lost all away/ neutral games post world cup so the WL remains 0.

India has WL of 1.3 in away/ neutral games post world cup.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Why should we? What do you want to prove?

Any way as you know Bangladesh has lost all away games in last 2 years so the WL remains 0.

India has WL of 1.3 in away/ neutral games post world cup.

Don't want to prove anything buddy.
Just wanted to know.

Your info clears me that-
India is far beyond bangladesh but*not upto the best mark.

 

[Statsman]

Don't want to prove anything buddy.
Just wanted to know.

Your info clears me that-
India is far beyond bangladesh but*not upto the best mark.

That's my observation as well. Our team needs a much due overhaul. We have still not adapted to modern day cricket when it comes to batting and are over reliant on one man.

Dhoni quitting captaincy is a start.

 

[Snatch]

Pakistan, Sri Lanka and West Indies do even worse. Bangladesh has improved tremendously with W/L of almost 1

West Indies especially has regressed remarkably.

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Wow New Zealand in the last 2 years. I know they made the WC final but I didn't expect they have been the 2nd best side. They are also easily number 1 in the T20 rankings by a distance.

I remember they used to be easy beats for Pakistan in any white-ball cricket in the 90s

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Unlike Pakistan ,I believe you(country) have all that needs to be the world beater but why its not happening?? What is the reason you think??

 

[Snatch]

I would say Politics is a reason, but there's been politics in Pakistan cricket as far back as I can remember, & they've still fielded some awesome sides.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I would say Politics is a reason, but there's been politics in Pakistan cricket as far back as I can remember, & they've still fielded some awesome sides.

It's not just politics. There's no new bowling talent for Pakistan in the pipeline. Their bowling average in LOI has been the worst in the world for a long time now. Akram and Waqar used to do well even on flat tracks. The new pacers can't do well even places like in Eng, NZ and SAF which assist swing bowling.

 

[Madplayer]

In the last 2 years, Pakistan have played 14 more games than Bangladesh and has won only 1 more. You really think Bangladesh will lose next 13 consecutive matches?

In last 2 years against top 8 sides?????

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Wow New Zealand in the last 2 years. I know they made the WC final but I didn't expect they have been the 2nd best side. They are also easily number 1 in the T20 rankings by a distance.

I remember they used to be easy beats for Pakistan in any white-ball cricket in the 90s

After world cup they haven't played 4/5 ODI match series in Bangladesh

 

[Joseph Gomes]

In last 2 years against top 8 sides?????

Yes

 

[Madplayer]

Yes

Well i didnt know that. This makes it look worse. I was considering the 5 year period mentioned in the OP.

But we also should look at other variables like how many matches have Bangladesh and Pakistan played in countries outside Asia and in Asia.

 

[Pakpak]

In the last 2 years, Pakistan have played 14 more games than Bangladesh and has won only 1 more. You really think Bangladesh will lose next 13 consecutive matches?

If they played 5 vs England in England and 5 vs Australia in Australia like we have they'd lose all 10, and seeing as they have lost all 3 in NZ that would make your 13.

 

[arehaan]

If they played 5 vs England in England and 5 vs Australia in Australia like we have they'd lose all 10, and seeing as they have lost all 3 in NZ that would make your 13.

Very well said, we all know Pak had a very difficult 2016 where we played 10 ODIs in England and Australia losing
4-1. I doubt there is any subcontinent team who would have done better in these conditions.

 

[geraltofrivia]

Very well said, we all know Pak had a very difficult 2016 where we played 10 ODIs in England and Australia losing
4-1. I doubt there is any subcontinent team who would have done better in these conditions.

India won in England last time around.

 

[Barragan]

Not the worst, but one of the worst.

I hate the fact, Pak have lost an ODI series to Aus, Eng and SA at home (even clean sweeps), despite the pitches turning and spinners being the main weapon.

Those are the results, that really hurt and shouldn't be happening.

 

[arehaan]

India won in England last time around.

The current England team is not the same team you won against. This England team is a different beast all together with the batting and bowling depth. Moreover India lost 4-1 in Australia last time against a practically B team with no bowling depth. The point being its not easy to win away from home and especially when home is not home then things become far worse

 

[Barragan]

Not the worst, but one of the worst.

I hate the fact, Pak have lost an ODI series to Aus, Eng and SA at home (even clean sweeps), despite the pitches turning and spinners being the main weapon.

Those are the results, that really hurt and shouldn't be happening.

Forgot to add, lost to NZ at home is well.

Really poor and rightfully down at the bottom.

 

[Syed1]

There are only two things to blame for this, Misbah and Azhar's captaincy.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Stats don't mean zilch. Neither do the rankings to be honest. I'd back Pakistan to beat any team outside of Oz/England/SA on current form.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Only WI, Zimbabwe, and SL are worse teams than Pakistan.

 

[Asim2Good]

Without stats, everyone know, we doing horrible job in ODI.
But hwat surprise me here is England lost almost half of their matches too in last 2 years. The team we were suppose to "learn" from as per most ppers.

 

[Saj]

No surprise.

Awful record with very little sign of it improving unless major changes are made to the personnel and approach.

 

[cricwiz]

No surprise.

Awful record with very little sign of it improving unless major changes are made to the personnel and approach.

Our approach cannot change 1% unless and until we have 1 captain across all formats, especially one captain for ODI and T20 cricket. Best case scenario is one captain across all formats.

Since the time we have appointed 2 captains, our overall team performance has deteriorated. In 2012 Misbah stepped down as T20 captain and we entered the era of 2 captains. Things have gone from bad to worse and the free fall will continue unless we change approach.

 

[Saj]

Our approach cannot change 1% unless and until we have 1 captain across all formats, especially one captain for ODI and T20 cricket. Best case scenario is one captain across all formats.

Since the time we have appointed 2 captains, our overall team performance has deteriorated. In 2012 Misbah stepped down as T20 captain and we entered the era of 2 captains. Things have gone from bad to worse and the free fall will continue unless we change approach.

Just changing the captain will not make much difference at all.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Without stats, everyone know, we doing horrible job in ODI.
But hwat surprise me here is England lost almost half of their matches too in last 2 years. The team we were suppose to "learn" from as per most ppers.

The timeframe includes pre world cup and WC matches when England was terrible. England has better stats post WC

 

[cricwiz]

Just changing the captain will not make much difference at all.

I never claimed that it will make a big difference overnight.. But it will be first right step towards that goal.. We are probably the ONLY team that has one captain for ODI & Test while another one for T20I. Other teams that go for 2 captains approach have one captain for Test and other for T20I and ODIs (afterall those modern limited overs outfits understand that ODI has become an extended version of T20I), while we still want to play ODI with Test cricket mentality.

Clear

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

India has been riding on Virat Kohli's back for a while now. If Kohli fails, India loses. Maybe that will change soon with new youngsters

Seems the count is incorrect, we won 2 against SA and ENG each, 3 against NZ, 1 against AUS and Bdesh. That makes it 9 ODI wins post 2015 WC excluding ZIM and associates.

Team shall be too reliant on till oldies are playing.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Pakistan have been a poor ODI side for the last decade! never mind just the last 5 years, the only reason we were slightly competative in 5 years before that is due to fact we had a good bowling attack. Its no shock we are so poor when we have recycled the same rubbish players for so long, add to that the fact we still dont know how to approach batting in ODIs and are still stuck in the early 1990s when it comes to playing. We can change the personel and add fresh faces which will help but the mindset is the major change needed with how we play ODIs going forward.