Pakistan need to demoralize Dale Steyn and potentially end his career

[Suleiman]

Too long we have given top players unnecessary respect and let them get big on us.

He was an average ODI bowler but we treated him like a king and he padded his stats vs us.

Same thing in tests. He’s the kind of bowler that if you show fear he will try to scare you even more with his antics and bowling.

It’s like a jungle, if you cower away from a babbar sher, he will give chase.

We might not have the skill set to face top quality pacers but still need to look to put him in his place when he bowls a loose ball or shows battameezi.

Need to sledge back like Kohli and Warner as batsmen.

Likewise our bowlers need to intimidate their batsmen who by the look of it are softies and not used to adversity. Afridi has the height and stature, needs to develop core confidence.

We can do this, but to be a champion we need to have the mindset of a champion.

 

[Savak]

Lol. Nice Satire. A batting line up of Imam, Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Harris Sohail, Babar Azam, Sarfaraz isn't going to end anyone's career

 

[UP]

This is a very timid batting line-up.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

[MENTION=136729]Suleiman[/MENTION] bringing the heat.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

I admit, he has lost a bit of venom but man please for the love of god don’t write him off yet. It seems like he has lost interest in competing at international level after retirement of some of his teammates. He seems satisfied playing club cricket, as if he has nothing left to prove. He needs to take a leaf out of Anderson, who is still very much motivated to play for England. Steyn needs a management who will tell him that they need him. Regardless of what happens to him in Pak tour, Dale Steyn is a legend will always be a legend. I will always remember that lovely run up, awesome action and follow through, those outswingers and unplayable Yorkers.

 

[Junaids]

I think there is some merit in what the OP has written, but it needs to be very carefully implemented.

Both teams have poor batting line-ups, especially now that the quota has precipitated AB De Villiers' retirement (with the 4 white player berths required for the 2 openers, the skipper FAF and the best player De Kock). Morkel of course has left for the same reason.

The management can go up to 5 white players occasionally, and Steyn has sneaked into this series due to the injuries to Philander and Ngidi.

Sure, he mainly bowls around 135K nowadays and in the absence of Hafeez he won't blast anybody out (unless Mickey Arthur loses his mind and selects Shan Masood or Imam-ul-Haq).

But Steyn will still be able to get outswing with the new ball to the righthanders (Azhar) and inswing to Fakhar Zaman with the new ball.

The key is that the ball is a Kookaburra, and once it goes soft he is now too slow as well as too short to get the old ball to do anything.

I see Pakistan's job with Dale Steyn as being to restrict his first spell to 6-1-15-0.

Because he will have to then bowl 2 more 5 over spells with that ball when it's old, and he's not quick enough or tall enough to do anything with it.

I'd be hoping that his day goes something like:

Hour 1: 6-1-15-0
Hour 2: rested
Hour 3: 5-0-20-0 making 11-1-35-0.
Hour 4: 5-1-20-0 making 16-2-55-0.
Hour 5: rested
Hour 6: second new ball 5-2-10-1 making 21-4-65-1.

That's how to finish Dale Steyn's career. Wear him down.

 

[Savak]

Steyn rises to the occasion and to the level of opposition. No better team to find form against than Pakistan. Not a single batsman can play a counter punching knock. This will be expecting too much from Fakhar and Sarfaraz does not have the quality to play effective counter attacking innings against the likes of Steyn, Rabada, Ngidi, Philander.

 

[BaankeJi]

Pakistan need a fearless attitude. Don't look at the bowler but the ball itself. Someone like Rishabh Pant who is not scared to hook and pull against any bowler.

Fakhar fits the bill. Others are too timid.

 

[Savak]

Pakistan need a fearless attitude. Don't look at the bowler but the ball itself. Someone like Rishabh Pant who is not scared to hook and pull against any bowler.

Fakhar fits the bill. Others are too timid.

One player alone cannot do it against the South African attack. Misbah ul Haq's legacy is leaving us with a generation of timid, boring, gutless batsmen

 

[hitthestump]

This is a very bumpable thread

 

[Adnan_Ilyas]

good luckbto the boys

 

[ali2220]

Or Steyn can demoralize Immi and end his career, many Pak fans will be more interested in seeing that!

 

[coy0607]

just the fear of Steyn ended Hafeez's career

there is a solid chance he'll get 2-3 batsmen dropped after this series - Imam and Asad are at high risk

 

[Madplayer]

1)Dale steyn deserves respect.
2) I dont think Pakistani batsmen have the ability to end the career of a modern day great who is sometimes touted as the best of all time up there with Marshall.
3) Having said that, there is no reason why Pakistani batsmen can strategise in order to negate him to some degree.

 

[Rahul1]

I think there is some merit in what the OP has written, but it needs to be very carefully implemented.

Both teams have poor batting line-ups, especially now that the quota has precipitated AB De Villiers' retirement (with the 4 white player berths required for the 2 openers, the skipper FAF and the best player De Kock). Morkel of course has left for the same reason.

The management can go up to 5 white players occasionally, and Steyn has sneaked into this series due to the injuries to Philander and Ngidi.

Sure, he mainly bowls around 135K nowadays and in the absence of Hafeez he won't blast anybody out (unless Mickey Arthur loses his mind and selects Shan Masood or Imam-ul-Haq).

But Steyn will still be able to get outswing with the new ball to the righthanders (Azhar) and inswing to Fakhar Zaman with the new ball.

The key is that the ball is a Kookaburra, and once it goes soft he is now too slow as well as too short to get the old ball to do anything.

I see Pakistan's job with Dale Steyn as being to restrict his first spell to 6-1-15-0.

Because he will have to then bowl 2 more 5 over spells with that ball when it's old, and he's not quick enough or tall enough to do anything with it.

I'd be hoping that his day goes something like:

Hour 1: 6-1-15-0
Hour 2: rested
Hour 3: 5-0-20-0 making 11-1-35-0.
Hour 4: 5-1-20-0 making 16-2-55-0.
Hour 5: rested
Hour 6: second new ball 5-2-10-1 making 21-4-65-1.

That's how to finish Dale Steyn's career. Wear him down.

So you think Steyn will take a grand total of 1 wicket in a day against Pakistan's mighty 'batting' line up? )

 

[Rahul1]

One player alone cannot do it against the South African attack. Misbah ul Haq's legacy is leaving us with a generation of timid, boring, gutless batsmen

Misbah have been retired for almost 2 years now. Leave the poor guy alone.

 

[Savak]

Misbah have been retired for almost 2 years now. Leave the poor guy alone.

His Janasheens are still here

 

[warcry]

nah the reverse will happen.

this is sarfraz's last series as captain. and will be dropped for Rizwan for test matches from now on.
imam will head to early retirement after multiple concussions
shafiq will be dropped after 4 single figure scores
Amir will be useless, even on conducive surfaces.

 

[Greenstorm]

Apart from Fakhar, no one else can do it.

 

[Justcrazy]

Styen will destroy Sarfaraz Carer as captain

 

[BaankeJi]

nah the reverse will happen.

this is sarfraz's last series as captain. and will be dropped for Rizwan for test matches from now on.
imam will head to early retirement after multiple concussions
shafiq will be dropped after 4 single figure scores
Amir will be useless, even on conducive surfaces.

just the fear of Steyn ended Hafeez's career

there is a solid chance he'll get 2-3 batsmen dropped after this series - Imam and Asad are at high risk

Styen will destroy Sarfaraz Carer as captain

All of this will be blessings in disguise??

 

[Junaids]

So you think Steyn will take a grand total of 1 wicket in a day against Pakistan's mighty 'batting' line up? )

Ha ha, good point!

I’m saying that Pakistan need to see off his opening spell without losing wickets. Take no risks while the ball is hard and still has a seam - which is around 20 overs.

Then when the ball is soft and the seam has gone, cash in against an elderly Steyn who has lost his pace and remains as short as ever.

 

[Stalin]

For that to happen pakistan should have a batting line up of
Warner, Root , Smith , Kohli , Williamson
But sadly, you are stuck with Imams, Azhars and Shafiqs.

 

[subshakerz]

They wont have time to stick it to Steyn, Rabada and would have already run through their lineup.

 

[Ab Fan]

Pakistan batting dont stand a chance against Dale Steyn who is already past his peak.

 

[ali2220]

Pakistan batting dont stand a chance against Dale Steyn who is already past his peak.

Don't worry, Pak mighty batting lineup haven't peaked yet.

Steyn vs Imam will be a funny contest.

 

[Saj]

Easier said than done.

Not too many lionhearts in this batting line-up.

 

[Godhelpma]

Misbah have been retired for almost 2 years now. Leave the poor guy alone.

Right. But I do think that 2007 ODI World Cup debacle was also due to Misbah and 2027 one would be also because of Misbah , I am afraid .

 

[last_knight]

I think there is some merit in what the OP has written, but it needs to be very carefully implemented.

Both teams have poor batting line-ups, especially now that the quota has precipitated AB De Villiers' retirement (with the 4 white player berths required for the 2 openers, the skipper FAF and the best player De Kock). Morkel of course has left for the same reason.

The management can go up to 5 white players occasionally, and Steyn has sneaked into this series due to the injuries to Philander and Ngidi.

Sure, he mainly bowls around 135K nowadays and in the absence of Hafeez he won't blast anybody out (unless Mickey Arthur loses his mind and selects Shan Masood or Imam-ul-Haq).

But Steyn will still be able to get outswing with the new ball to the righthanders (Azhar) and inswing to Fakhar Zaman with the new ball.

The key is that the ball is a Kookaburra, and once it goes soft he is now too slow as well as too short to get the old ball to do anything.

I see Pakistan's job with Dale Steyn as being to restrict his first spell to 6-1-15-0.

Because he will have to then bowl 2 more 5 over spells with that ball when it's old, and he's not quick enough or tall enough to do anything with it.

I'd be hoping that his day goes something like:

Hour 1: 6-1-15-0
Hour 2: rested
Hour 3: 5-0-20-0 making 11-1-35-0.
Hour 4: 5-1-20-0 making 16-2-55-0.
Hour 5: rested
Hour 6: second new ball 5-2-10-1 making 21-4-65-1.

That's how to finish Dale Steyn's career. Wear him down.

Pakistan won't mind Steyn taking 9-for after second new ball.
First ball matters, that's all.

 

[Ab Fan]

It will be carnage all the way for the men in green. I expect pakistani batsmen shivering from head to toe as soon as Kookabura leaves the fingers of Dale Steyn and Kagiso Rabada. There will be all sorts of breakfast, lunch, tea, dinner in between lunch, tea and dinner

I am afraid this phainty will lead to termination of many careers although it is a different thing that those careers never meant to become the kind of career they wanted or hoped for. Let us go back and re-live again the reminiscence of 65 all out and 91 all out days.

 

[Varun]

Well when we toured earlier in the year, he bowled a couple of overs then something snapped in his heel and he walked off never to be seen again in the series.

That can always happen again at his age, and another injury might just be the straw that pushes him into retirement. So Pakistan need to be at the right place at the right time to 'finish' Dale Steyn's career.

 

[Minnowbasher]

Shan Masood to murder Steyn.
Rip Steyn
Your career is finished
Shan Masood is coming!

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

More so like, Steyn will demoralize Sarfraz and "force" him to retire.

 

[Ami]

Haha...laughable.
Haha...again

 

[ILcricket]

If he does not injure himself during the course of match , i expect 8 wickets or more from him .

 

[Rana]

What is this man? You are talking like we have Mathew Hayden, Adam Gilchrist and Ricky Ponting in our line up who will decimate an ageing fast bowler into retirement

 

[JattMaula]

If he remains fit don't expect him to go gently into that good night.

He will bowl with maximum effort. No halfhearted 80mph ******** from him. For sample watch him bowling vs Zimbabwe recently.

 

[Saurav]

Steyn must be quaking in his boots at the thought of Azhar,Asad and Imam smashing him

 

[Gullycricket]

Standard Bank Steyn needs to be given respect not to be smashed.Do that and we have a chance

 

[KP From India]

They should look to score 7-8 runs in every over of Steyn, if they succeed, Steyn would have figures of 20-0-124-1 per innings and may only get 4-5 wickets in a series

 

[Ummii]

Shan Masood to murder Steyn.
Rip Steyn
Your career is finished
Shan Masood is coming!

hahahaha

 

[CadPakFan]

I know not many others will agree with me but, apart from Fakhar, if Sarfraz gets going he may be able to put the pressure on the bowlers.

 

[Amjid Javed]

After this series and 20+ wickets in series steyns career will be prelonged and not ended. Steyn will enjoy bowling at our village batting line up.

 

[Titan24]

I think so Pakistani batsmen should concentrate on playing the ball not the bowler.

 

[Varun]

I know not many others will agree with me but, apart from Fakhar, if Sarfraz gets going he may be able to put the pressure on the bowlers.

Pity he'll constantly have to come in at 90/5 type scores before keeping and captaining afterward; thankless job really.

 

[Mueez]

Hopefully Fakhar tames him well.

:fauji

 

[Outswinger]

I think there is some merit in what the OP has written, but it needs to be very carefully implemented.

Both teams have poor batting line-ups, especially now that the quota has precipitated AB De Villiers' retirement (with the 4 white player berths required for the 2 openers, the skipper FAF and the best player De Kock). Morkel of course has left for the same reason.

The management can go up to 5 white players occasionally, and Steyn has sneaked into this series due to the injuries to Philander and Ngidi.

Sure, he mainly bowls around 135K nowadays and in the absence of Hafeez he won't blast anybody out (unless Mickey Arthur loses his mind and selects Shan Masood or Imam-ul-Haq).

But Steyn will still be able to get outswing with the new ball to the righthanders (Azhar) and inswing to Fakhar Zaman with the new ball.

The key is that the ball is a Kookaburra, and once it goes soft he is now too slow as well as too short to get the old ball to do anything.

I see Pakistan's job with Dale Steyn as being to restrict his first spell to 6-1-15-0.

Because he will have to then bowl 2 more 5 over spells with that ball when it's old, and he's not quick enough or tall enough to do anything with it.

I'd be hoping that his day goes something like:

Hour 1: 6-1-15-0
Hour 2: rested
Hour 3: 5-0-20-0 making 11-1-35-0.
Hour 4: 5-1-20-0 making 16-2-55-0.
Hour 5: rested
Hour 6: second new ball 5-2-10-1 making 21-4-65-1.

That's how to finish Dale Steyn's career. Wear him down.

He is bowling over 140kph consistently again.

 

[Suleiman]

Can’t believe how overrated this guy is here. I know South Africans in real life who don’t rate him this highly having done study abroad in Pretoria. All this “greatest of this generation”, “best since Marshall” nonsense I’ve only seen on PP.

But it’s clear to me now that the only people who rate him so highly have never seen a world class pacer play for their team in their life time, so it is understandable. You idolize what you don’t have. In a generation of Amirs, Bhuvneshwars and the like you need someone else to look up to.

Mark my words this guy is finished and even now he is the third best pacer of this decade behind Anderson and Asif, and eventually Shaheen Shah.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Could potentially be playing his last test series (or the last but one anyways. His big target seems to be 2019 WC and he’s publicly said so. SA host SL for 2 tests before the WC and if not vs Pakistan, Steyn could very wewell retire from Tests after that.

Plus he’s only bowled in ODIs and T20s, no FC match at all. Not sure if that’s the ideal preparation for a Test series but obviously the legend knows better.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Can’t believe how overrated this guy is here. I know South Africans in real life who don’t rate him this highly having done study abroad in Pretoria. All this “greatest of this generation”, “best since Marshall” nonsense I’ve only seen on PP.

But it’s clear to me now that the only people who rate him so highly have never seen a world class pacer play for their team in their life time, so it is understandable. You idolize what you don’t have. In a generation of Amirs, Bhuvneshwars and the like you need someone else to look up to.

Mark my words this guy is finished and even now he is the third best pacer of this decade behind Anderson and Asif, and eventually Shaheen Shah.

Lol so the thread is a sarcastic one to draw everyone in and then mock when the tests start.

 

[mrtaim3]

I hope this post is sarcastic.

 

[The Viper]

Steyn bowled 140 plus against Zim in his comeback series. Steyn will enjoy bowling to Imam.

 

[Khanusman1]

Steyn bowled 140 plus against Zim in his comeback series. Steyn will enjoy bowling to Imam.

You guys overreacting. The best thing to happen in Pakistan after Imran Khan is Imam

 

[a_tahir]

You mean Imam would love to smack steyn's 145kmph balls out of the ground

 

[Khanusman1]

You mean Imam would love to smack steyn's 145kmph balls out of the ground

He is going to hit the ball to Karachi

 

[Darkrai]

Imam will take care of Steyn, he'll be out of the attack after first few overs.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan have had trouble dealing with decent bowlers at home, don’t know how they will fare against SA pacers on their turf. Steyn may not cause much damage but his counterparts will do the bulk of the damage and it wouldn’t really matter if Steyn goes unnoticed

 

[Saj]

Steyn bowled 140 plus against Zim in his comeback series. Steyn will enjoy bowling to Imam.

Fully expect it to be a rather one-sided battle. A couple of bouncers, full length across him and out.

 

[a_tahir]

Maybe to Lahore if Imam's in the mood

 

[a_tahir]

My "Prediction"
One sided but Steyn will be on the wrong end of the stick
First 10 overs of Steyn:
10-0-87-0
Imam hitting Steyn for 5 sixes in those 10 overs
Steyn out of the attack
Imam getting a double century
Pakistan make 587 off 120 overs
South africa all out for 67 with Amir taking a 7 fer
and then Pakistan enforcing follow on and winning by an innings and 400 runs.

I just can't anymore

 

[Mueez]

My "Prediction"
One sided but Steyn will be on the wrong end of the stick
First 10 overs of Steyn:
10-0-87-0
Imam hitting Steyn for 5 sixes in those 10 overs
Steyn out of the attack
Imam getting a double century
Pakistan make 587 off 120 overs
South africa all out for 67 with Amir taking a 7 fer
and then Pakistan enforcing follow on and winning by an innings and 400 runs.

I just can't anymore

What are the odds?

)

 

[a_tahir]

They're higher than Namibia winning the 2023 world cup

 

[TeamPak95]

Man... where's 'blessed with all facets' when you need him..

 

[Saj]

Man... where's 'blessed with all facets' when you need him..

He will be watching from behind his sofa, peeking at the TV every now and then.

 

[gazza619]

I just hope Steyn does not follow PP. This thread will fire him up..and it will be curtains..

 

[Cric1234]

Steyn will take a ten wicket haul in the first test take his shirt off and say " demoralize that Suleiman " on his vest underneath.

 

[Gullycricket]

Man we should have gone with Arshal Sheikh in our lineup.He would show Steyn how to bowl in SA

 

[Oligochaetes]

Hafeez has already demoralized STeyn by retiring

 

[ARK Rafay]

He is no ordinary. He's extra-ordinary. Will eat up Pakistani batting line-up still in his last career stage

 

[Ab Fan]

Indeed the demoralization begins for Steyn.

 

[MenInG]

To be honest this pitch should be great for all good fast-bowlers

 

[babajee]

Only Shan can destroy him.

 

[Abdullah]

This is Pakistan we are talking about

 

[Sami92]

lol

Dale will instead say let me see how many Pakistani's career I can end. Hafeez seemed intelligent. Retired just before facing him.

 

[Hasan123]

Lol South Africa are ending a few of our players careers right now.

 

[Oligochaetes]

Pakistan has completely demoralized Steyn... Mission accomplished.

Steyn must be so demoralized after seeing Olivier bag 5 wickets and himself get just one

 

[aukhan]

Lets try doing that in the second innings.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Only one wicket for Steyn - mission accomplished by the Pakistan batsmen.

 

[big_gamer007]

Babar is destroying Steyn right now, looks like OP knows what hes talking about. Brilliant thread with high quality insights and analysis by the great Suleman.

 

[Abdullah719]

You da man [MENTION=136729]Suleiman[/MENTION]