Pakistan need to purge the likes of Sarfaraz Ahmed, Inzamam-ul-Haq and Mickey Arthur

[We Bleed Green]

The whole community is aware of the deep rooted problems in our system. These problems are not going to be resolved in few months and will require extensive amount of effort and time.

Our decline in Cricket is a reflection of the direction our country has taken.

We need to strengthen our economy and reduce our debts so we can provide more funds to sports.

We need to build more grounds, parks, leisure centers and sports centres, training academies, which is not possible until we progress as a country.

We need to stop using every inch of the city for construction purposes and should build grounds and parks in every area.

We need to bring corruption down and bring judicial reforms.

We need to make PCB an institution.

We need to make PCB profitable so it can invest more in Cricket.

We need to strengthen our security and bring Cricket back to Pakistan.

The list goes on and on but all these actions will take time and while we are taking these steps under the leadership of Imran Khan, we need to purge the team from the elements.
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The Purge will not make our team a force to reckon with but it will make some improvements.

PURGE SARFRAZ

The fist on my list is Sarfraz. The whole forum will agree that he can not bat and is a completely useless Captain. The decisions he has taken has been ludicrous from team selection to his tactics in the game and his constant shouting is unbearable. I still can not forget his declaration blunder in the second test match against New Zealand. Luckily we won the game and it was brushed aside. Even if he scores some runs now then it will be too little too late as we have seen him enough.

Who should be the new Captain. We don't have any one in the team who is performing and you want some one whose place is guaranteed to be considered Captain. Any one but him is fine with me and his place should be taken by Rizwan.

PURGE INZAMAM AND IMAM

Inzamam was appointed chief selector in April 2016 and our team has declined since then. His squad selection has been pathetic and he should not get any credit for Shadab, Faheem or Fakhar as these players were discovered by PSL. He gives absolute zero credit to players who has performed domestically and selects team based on his preference and perhaps watching them in nets. The players who has scored thousands of runs gets ignored and we get mediocre players in the squad. The selection of Imam was the last nail in his coffin and a prime example of nepotism. It proved that this legend is rotten to the core.

Imam, The guy needs to go back and score runs in domestic and never again we should bring nepotism in team selection.

PURGE MICKEY ARTHUR

I love this guy and his passion. We the fans go through the roller coaster of emotions while supporting our team and it was good to see him going through the same emotions but it is time for us to move on and with all due respect, his team selection and tactics particularly in tests, have been wrong and I do not see how he can improve our team in tests.

I also can not forgive him for the non selection of Fawad Alam.

It is time for change and it is time for us to move on from Mickey Arthur.

 

[adzzy786]

Yes there’s a lot of things we need to do but for now you need to breathe and take it easy buddy it’s a game.

 

[fasihulhaq94]

Wow thats all we had to do. Wonder why nobody could see it.

 

[MenInG]

Mickey Arthur is the last person you should be removing from the equation.

 

[Khwaja78]

Mickey Arthur is the only good thing about this team. Remove him and this team will sink to the bottom.

Definitely Inzamam needs to go as soon as possible he has done enough damage. Sarfraz will resign himself whereas rest should be thrown out, especially our dear seniors, the nephew Imam and Babar Azam.

 

[superman]

Mickey Arthur is the only good thing about this team. Remove him and this team will sink to the bottom.

Definitely Inzamam needs to go as soon as possible he has done enough damage. Sarfraz will resign himself whereas rest should be thrown out, especially our dear seniors, the nephew Imam and Babar Azam.

Babar Azam???

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Yes there’s a lot of things we need to do but for now you need to breathe and take it easy buddy it’s a game.

Haha This!

 

[We Bleed Green]

Yes there’s a lot of things we need to do but for now you need to breathe and take it easy buddy it’s a game.

This is not the game for me. This is my life, my passion, my love, my blood.

 

[Khwaja78]

Babar Azam???

Selfish player not a contributor and has issues with good length bounce outside off stump. Technically another bad investment. He is following Asad and Azhar with the same 1 out of 3 innings useless scores.
Team and the whole setup does'nt need dropping of players. Need a change in mindset meaning players who play for the team, make partnerships are the ones allowed to keep their place. Even their 20 would be better than the 100 by Asad or Babar.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

This is not the game for me. This is my life, my passion, my love, my blood.

Are you serious?

 

[superman]

Selfish player not a contributor and has issues with good length bounce outside off stump. Technically another bad investment. He is following Asad and Azhar with the same 1 out of 3 innings useless scores.
Team and the whole setup does'nt need dropping of players. Need a change in mindset meaning players who play for the team, make partnerships are the ones allowed to keep their place. Even their 20 would be better than the 100 by Asad or Babar.

So shan (first time ever playing well) and fakhar are ok but the best bat we have had in a decade isn’t, great logic. Theres no purges we are playing in sa what did everyone expect uae pitches? People need to be realistic i agree sarfraz may be playing his last test series but imam since being selected has been the best opener we have had.

 

[Khwaja78]

So shan (first time ever playing well) and fakhar are ok but the best bat we have had in a decade isn’t, great logic. Theres no purges we are playing in sa what did everyone expect uae pitches? People need to be realistic i agree sarfraz may be playing his last test series but imam since being selected has been the best opener we have had.

best bat rofl.

This best bat has reduced us to no. 7 in rankings so he is probably the worst we had received in a decade.
Team failed to cross 200.
Player like Qasim Umar was thrown out form the team due to attitude and pushing negative culture.

Does'nt deserve to be in the team alongwith Fakhar and Asad.

 

[We Bleed Green]

Are you serious?

I am dead serious. Can't you see this from my username.

Cricket is everything for me.

 

[aukhan]

Sarfraz and Inzi both needs to go.

Inzi should have been kicked out the moment he selected his nephew..

Sarfraz has become a liability on all formats....Test captaincy is not his cup of tea. He should be relieved from captaincy immediately.

 

[Pete Rose]

Yada yada yada. There’s no need to change anything.

 

[MMHS]

First two will do, 3rd one is a byproduct of first 2.

Arthur is the best thing that happened for PAK cricket in last few years. What we are watching is a PAK team under Sarfraz, selected by Ul Haq & coached by Mickey ......... we haven’t seen PCT under Sarfraz, selected by Ul Haq & coached by WY or MHK.

 

[aukhan]

Arthur should not be removed. Unfortunately pakistani media will put the whole blame on arthur to protect sarfraz.

 

[iPakistani]

Selfish player not a contributor and has issues with good length bounce outside off stump. Technically another bad investment. He is following Asad and Azhar with the same 1 out of 3 innings useless scores.
Team and the whole setup does'nt need dropping of players. Need a change in mindset meaning players who play for the team, make partnerships are the ones allowed to keep their place. Even their 20 would be better than the 100 by Asad or Babar.

20 would be better than 100. Brilliant analysis mate clearly a troll.

 

[Khwaja78]

20 would be better than 100. Brilliant analysis mate clearly a troll.

He did'nt score 20 he scored 10 but they are miles ahead of Babar. He came as no. 10 when pakistan was 247, trailing by 7 runs facing innings defeat. He batted and survived Steyn and Philander for 12 overs.

Abbas did'nt make only 10 due to him team crossed over and made near 50 runs to survive the day. He actually saved the day and the hard work of Shan Masood.

Babar threw him infront of Steyn at time when Pakistan was still 5 runs short, selfish Babar continued to block and failed to take single. REason was simple to get Abbas out before him which did'nt happen.

He contributed 47 and another day to the team with his personal score of 10

Abbas solid defense ensured he does'nt get out, this is the 2nd time happening Abbas stayed longer on the crease than Babar rofl.

 

[iPakistani]

He did'nt score 20 he scored 10 but they are miles ahead of Babar. He came as no. 10 when pakistan was 247, trailing by 7 runs facing innings defeat. He batted and survived Steyn and Philander for 12 overs.

Abbas did'nt make only 10 due to him team crossed over and made near 50 runs to survive the day. He actually saved the day and the hard work of Shan Masood.

Babar threw him infront of Steyn at time when Pakistan was still 5 runs short, selfish Babar continued to block and failed to take single. REason was simple to get Abbas out before him which did'nt happen.

He contributed 47 and another day to the team with his personal score of 10

Abbas solid defense ensured he does'nt get out, this is the 2nd time happening Abbas stayed longer on the crease than selfish Babar rofl.

Did you watch the match and see the field placements or do you only look at the scorecard?

 

[Khwaja78]

Did you watch the match and see the field placements or do you only look at the scorecard?

Did you look at the bowling to Babar Azam only, instead of the bowling faced by Abbas or Shan Masood esp. by Steyn.

 

[Something]

Selfish player not a contributor and has issues with good length bounce outside off stump. Technically another bad investment. He is following Asad and Azhar with the same 1 out of 3 innings useless scores.
Team and the whole setup does'nt need dropping of players. Need a change in mindset meaning players who play for the team, make partnerships are the ones allowed to keep their place. Even their 20 would be better than the 100 by Asad or Babar.

Wow. Doubt anyone will take you seriously after that comment. You're coming off as a troll or someone who doesn't understand what he's talking about. Take your pick

 

[Abdullah]

Mickey Arthur is the only good thing about this team. Remove him and this team will sink to the bottom.

Definitely Inzamam needs to go as soon as possible he has done enough damage. Sarfraz will resign himself whereas rest should be thrown out, especially our dear seniors, the nephew Imam and Babar Azam.

Agree Mickey's relentless meant these boys were forced to step up and try an be competitive 2nd innings. Many a time I have seen situations like that end in ugly innings defeats

 

[ExpressPacer]

Mickey is more dedicated to Pakistan than the entire 50 man squad combined.

 

[Abdullah]

Selfish player not a contributor and has issues with good length bounce outside off stump. Technically another bad investment. He is following Asad and Azhar with the same 1 out of 3 innings useless scores.
Team and the whole setup does'nt need dropping of players. Need a change in mindset meaning players who play for the team, make partnerships are the ones allowed to keep their place. Even their 20 would be better than the 100 by Asad or Babar.

Geezer I can't believe some of the stuff I read on the forum but this is right up there. The guy has scored to 70s ( he cant be blamed for being left there with the tail, and he got two unplayable deliveries in his other two innings.
Wake up and actually watch what is happening

 

[We Bleed Green]

Sarfraz and Inzamam must go but unfortunately, both of them will never resign. They will need to be sacked.

We should all start tagging Imran Khan and Ehsan Mani on twitter.

 

[Khwaja78]

Geezer I can't believe some of the stuff I read on the forum but this is right up there. The guy has scored to 70s ( he cant be blamed for being left there with the tail, and he got two unplayable deliveries in his other two innings.
Wake up and actually watch what is happening

Its not about unplayable deliveries its about the commitment to the team. Tell me where ha scarried the team on his shoulders.

If he is the best batsman than why is he batting at no.6 not on 3rofl . He is batting there cos of failing consistently.

He was not averaging about 23 for most of the year. It was UAE ghatiya wickets and dim Australian team which gave support to him to stay in the team.

He hit 5 boundaries to get to his 50 but could'nt hit 3 boundaries to push Pakistan target ahead. Exposed tailender to worlds best bowler thrice Abbas survived 3 overs by Steyn. The tailenders Abbas and no.11 Afridi did it. If one bowls him an outswing on 5th stump he will give an edge to 2-4th slip. He survived a Rabada bowl that flew off near gully on this 72 was more like a 7.

 

[PakPremi]

Changes are required in the team and captaincy only. Sarfraz will not and should not be removed as a wicketkeeper, there is nothing wrong with his keeping and his batting will return to the average standard of world keepers once he is removed from test captaincy. Azhar needs to be retired out he will not improve deficiencies in his batting at this age, and for top order batsman his recent scores are not sufficient. Imam also has to be dropped from test and replaced by in form solid domestic opener.
Bowling wise we need to give chance to an off spinner with some batting ability like Zafar Gohar.

 

[PakPremi]

Its not about unplayable deliveries its about the commitment to the team. Tell me where ha scarried the team on his shoulders.

If he is the best batsman than why is he batting at no.6 not on 3rofl . He is batting there cos of failing consistently.

He was not averaging about 23 for most of the year. It was UAE ghatiya wickets and dim Australian team which gave support to him to stay in the team.

He hit 5 boundaries to get to his 50 but could'nt hit 3 boundaries to push Pakistan target ahead. Exposed tailender to worlds best bowler thrice Abbas survived 3 overs by Steyn. The tailenders Abbas and no.11 Afridi did it. If one bowls him an outswing on 5th stump he will give an edge to 2-4th slip. He survived a Rabada bowl that flew off near gully on this 72 was more like a 7.

He batted effortlessly and does most of the time. He is easily Pak best bat. Batsmen cannot dictate terms especially when you are batting with tailenders, what a batsman does depends on the kind of bowl you get and field placing.

 

[Abdullah]

Its not about unplayable deliveries its about the commitment to the team. Tell me where ha scarried the team on his shoulders.

If he is the best batsman than why is he batting at no.6 not on 3rofl . He is batting there cos of failing consistently.

He was not averaging about 23 for most of the year. It was UAE ghatiya wickets and dim Australian team which gave support to him to stay in the team.

He hit 5 boundaries to get to his 50 but could'nt hit 3 boundaries to push Pakistan target ahead. Exposed tailender to worlds best bowler thrice Abbas survived 3 overs by Steyn. The tailenders Abbas and no.11 Afridi did it. If one bowls him an outswing on 5th stump he will give an edge to 2-4th slip. He survived a Rabada bowl that flew off near gully on this 72 was more like a 7.

Lol , he didn't put Abbas in front of them at the first opportunity.
Did you actually watch.
His dismissal actually only happened as he was looking to score of that Ball as he was in strike taking mode.
I think Abbas should get a promotion ahead of Yasir at least as he puts a price on his wicket.

 

[PakPremi]

Lol , he didn't put Abbas in front of them at the first opportunity.
Did you actually watch.
His dismissal actually only happened as he was looking to score of that Ball as he was in strike taking mode.
I think Abbas should get a promotion ahead of Yasir at least as he puts a price on his wicket.

Had it batting attitude is seriously bad. Had he fought out with Babar with three wickets left we could have got plenty more runs. He has been batting like this for a long time, and this despite calls from coach for tail to show fight.

 

[Khwaja78]

[MENTION=144231]PakPremi[/MENTION]
[MENTION=137997]Abdullah[/MENTION]

Still why is Pakistan losing the match he is scoring in?
If he is the best than he should be batting in top order why is he being shielded from the new bowl?

Time for excuses is up and instrospection is required.

Azam put Abbas thrice infront of Steyn. no quick singles no improvising shot even though the leg was just on the circle. Not even attempting one. Babar Azam is even more lousy when it comes to 2s which is a part of any professional first class player.

 

[Green Patriot]

Mickey Arthur is the only good thing about this team. Remove him and this team will sink to the bottom.

Definitely Inzamam needs to go as soon as possible he has done enough damage. Sarfraz will resign himself whereas rest should be thrown out, especially our dear seniors, the nephew Imam and Babar Azam.

Babar Azam??
The only guy who deserves a place on merit btw.

 

[PakPremi]

[MENTION=144231]PakPremi[/MENTION]
[MENTION=137997]Abdullah[/MENTION]

Still why is Pakistan losing the match he is scoring in?
If he is the best than he should be batting in top order why is he being shielded from the new bowl?

Time for excuses is up and instrospection is required.

Azam put Abbas thrice infront of Steyn. no quick singles no improvising shot even though the leg was just on the circle. Not even attempting one. Babar Azam is even more lousy when it comes to 2s which is a part of any professional first class player.

Do you think Babar wants to bat so low that he cannot earn runs off his scoring shots as tailenders are on the other end? The reason he is batting low is because in our culture we give izzat to our seniors, and we do not want to offend them. So like of Shafiq is are not pushed down despite having very low game sense.
In terms of him exposing Abbas I can only say with respect to you that you did not watche the match.

 

[Titan24]

Mickey Arthur is the only good thing about this team. Remove him and this team will sink to the bottom.

Definitely Inzamam needs to go as soon as possible he has done enough damage. Sarfraz will resign himself whereas rest should be thrown out, especially our dear seniors, the nephew Imam and Babar Azam.

How will you justify playing 3 seamers in UAE against Srl when they were playing 3 spinners? I also havent seen a single strategy against any batsmen developed to get them out by either micky or Sarfaraz.

 

[Green Patriot]

best bat rofl.

This best bat has reduced us to no. 7 in rankings so he is probably the worst we had received in a decade.
Team failed to cross 200.
Player like Qasim Umar was thrown out form the team due to attitude and pushing negative culture.

Does'nt deserve to be in the team alongwith Fakhar and Asad.

So Babar is the reason for our no 7 ranking?

Ok mate,you are clearly a troll.

 

[Khwaja78]

Do you think Babar wants to bat so low that he cannot earn runs off his scoring shots as tailenders are on the other end? The reason he is batting low is because in our culture we give izzat to our seniors, and we do not want to offend them. So like of Shafiq is are not pushed down despite having very low game sense.
In terms of him exposing Abbas I can only say with respect to you that you did not watche the match.

Hahahaha what is the total runs of tailenders or stay at the crease in last 5 tests which Babar can milk? if need be Pakistani seniors will push all the juniors above to face the new bowl. Azhar is batting at 2 down in this series and Asad at no. 5. All the new and young are batting up.

Still not answering my question why Babar performances not helping Pakistan team win? If he is world class than he should bat up the order.

I also respectfully disagree I'm not going to go down to below level and challenge your foresight. No quick single attempts, no improvising shots towards leg side, no thinking whatsoever by mental midget Babar Azam to protect Abbas. Azam did more for his 50 than for his team total. All his improvisation stopped after he crossed the 50 mark. Not at all sincere or ever supportive to somehow help the team progress.

 

[Titan24]

Hahahaha what is the total runs of tailenders or stay at the crease in last 5 tests which Babar can milk? if need be Pakistani seniors will push all the juniors above to face the new bowl. Azhar is batting at 2 down in this series and Asad at no. 5. All the new and young are batting up.

Still not answering my question why Babar performances not helping Pakistan team win? If he is world class than he should bat up the order.

I also respectfully disagree I'm not going to go down to below level and challenge your foresight. No quick single attempts, no improvising shots towards leg side, no thinking whatsoever by mental midget Babar Azam to protect Abbas. Azam did more for his 50 than for his team total. All his improvisation stopped after he crossed the 50 mark. Not at all sincere or ever supportive to somehow help the team progress.

Whose batting performances are helping pak win?

 

[Khwaja78]

[MENTION=142432]Titan24[/MENTION]

Haris Sohail in 2nd and 3rd test vs nz, even Azhar Ali who almost took the team 4 runs short of a win in 1st test. In that test Azam failed to play spin and opened the vulnerable tail alongwith Asad Shafiq.

How did Babar Azam fared in those circumstances? Is'nt Azam part of the batting collapses also?

The way they are calling the best player rofl, how many instances Babar Azam had saved a match for Pakistan? He is now playing for over 2 years now.

 

[Pete Rose]

*steps up to mic, tentatively*
The people want a downfall of the regime

 

[Markhor]

Sarfraz - yes.

Inzamam - yes if he continues to fail to reward top FC performers instead of batsmen who "look good".

Mickey - same as above, and needs to get over his aversion to playing two proper spinners in Asia in all formats, but must stay.

 

[gazza619]

Yep I would also blame Mickey. I mean team selections are done after joint discussions. Mickey likes his yes men and that explains why Umar Akmal was out and Asad Shafiq has been in.

Purge Mickey, Sarfaraz, Inzi, Imam, Fakhar (tests), Azhar, Yasir.

Time to move on and build from scratch.

 

[Hasan123]

Keep Micky. Specialist captain can go. Inzi can go as well.

 

[Slim]

Mickey Arthur is the last person you should be removing from the equation.

Agree, looks like OP is obsessed with the word purge and is presenting a very one sided view of the whole situation.

 

[LegendAli]

This is not the game for me. This is my life, my passion, my love, my blood.

 

[Junaids]

Purge Mickey Arthur for not selecting a 34 year old outsider as a batsman? Isn't your beef with Inzamam for that?

The problem is this. Pakistan has been competitive for significant periods of the two matches, but they have lost heavily due to the non-performance of:

Azhar Ali - who I wrote 18 months ago was losing a battle with advancing age.

Fakhar Zaman - who clearly wasn't suited to Test cricket outside Asia.

Imam-ul-Haq - who was hopelessly out-of-form a month ago.

Yasir Shah - whose bowling is always useless in the southern hemisphere.

These are problems that Inzamam should have identified and provided insurance options against.

 

[Maher96]

How Long will Arthur last Before World Cup 2019- Thread

Well with it being Pakistan Cricket and our game going hardly anywhere since the CT17 (which now relates to some more favourable conditions such as Silly drops by Sri Lanka, especially the Thisara drop to Sarfraz, just to be later added to the Wolrd XI Touring team (hardly any surprises there). The washed out Game vs RSA. The Alien Home conditions for Engalnd in the Semis. and a Freak Amir Show in the Final. Then going on a Run of being unbeaten in arguably our Best Format beating the Likes of Ramdins, Raza's and Paines just then to go on and Lose to a NZ team that was just assembled days before their tour to UAE. All this does not really speak for the Team management at all.

We all knew the outcome of this Test Series which led to hardly any surprises at all. Nevertheless I am adamant, come May that we will have a Local coach (anyone but : ) taking this team to the WC and our highly sung after South African/ Ozzie on $10K month will be handed the P45. I understand that you sometimes look to motivate athletes by firing them up but every time we need him to stand up he shows his true colours and just really has a rant at seniors ( again trying to motivate them it seems) without 0% success. How can we give him the benefit of finding or nurturing any of our youngsters also? Faheem, Hassan, Fakhar, Shadab, Shaheen are all Product of our Domestic Setup and not Randoms Picks by Sir Arthur.

Having said all the above I genuinely feel if anyone our Coach's days are truly numbered in our Pakistan Setup. Ultimately lets just wait out and see KK 4th Successive failure at the PSL 4, to hit final nail in the coffin.

 

[Markhor]

Mickey Arthur's Test record would be a lot different had Captain Fantastic decided to show some responsibility with the bat for once in the Abu Dhabi chase vs SL and the Abu Dhabi chase vs NZ. We would then be talking about a 1-1 draw vs SL (respectable given it was the first series post-MisYou) and a 2-1 win vs NZ which would've given Sarfraz room for error in this SA series.

It would also help if Captain Fantastic gave Saad Ali the five Tests in UAE that he instead wasted on Mohammad Hafeez.

Where Mickey does deserve criticism is not playing two spinners vs SL last year and not picking even one specialist spinner in the Asia Cup - though that's also on Inzamam too.

 

[Titan24]

How poor the combo of Sarfaraz and Mickey has really been?

I know there are fans of each of these 2 but what have they literally achieved?

Other than CT 17, some T20 series and Zimbabwe ODIs they have either drawn or lost everything.

If team is not performing upto its potential coach and captain should be liable.

Their poor performances were hidden on few occasions because of some players produced by PSL who played a crucial role in CT 17 otherwise they have performed as poorly as possible for a coach and captain.

Some people here love mickey he is letting youngsters play in the team but there is no point if you cant groom them properly and are losing. He doesnt have any strategies and there was a reason Australia fired him.

Playing just one spinner against Srl in UAE and playing Bilal Asif over the likes of Zafar Gohar, Kashif Bhatti etc against NZ just because he was an off spinner are just examples of few of the blunders.

More importantly Pak players dont look happy or enjoying the game in most matches, they always look under pressure.

Coach shouts at you in the dressing room and captain in the field. No one will enjoy it.

 

[hadi123]

We have been poor and made some poor decisions but I don't think the blame can be attributed to just them 2 and I doubt results would have been significantly different with a different coach and/or skipper

 

[Titan24]

Personally I believe this is the most number of young and potential wise good players we have produced post 2010 but the way they should have been improving and creating an impact, it isnt happening.

Mickey and Sarfaraz havent been able to create a team, to me its looks like 11 individuals trying to perform and retain their place. Team is under performing big time.

 

[Titan24]

We have been poor and made some poor decisions but I don't think the blame can be attributed to just them 2 and I doubt results would have been significantly different with a different coach and/or skipper

Cricket is a sport in which I think on field tactics, form field changes to bowling changes and batting order make a big difference.

Back room strategies about pitch conditions, opposition batsmen and bowlers are equally important.

If coach wouldnt have made a difference, Aussies wouldnt have fired Arthur and England wouldnt have fired Peter Moores.

Post Peter Moores and Cook as captain in ODIs, look at the strides England cricket have made.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Yep coach and captain got credit from all corners after CT win and deserve criticism after their poor show.

Both have not been good after Aus series to be honest.

 

[Titan24]

From 2015 England ODI side to current one, there is no domestic structure or any kind of change.

Only change was replacing Peter Moores with Travis Baylis and Cook with Morgan. They retained the core and chopped and changed few players.

There is no reason Pak cant do the same.

 

[shariqnoor]

To be fair to Mickey, he's coming from a background where things are done professionally and have a domestic structure that churns out good talent regularly.

Here he has nothing to work with. The talent that he is receiving from the domestic is garbage to say the least. And he's not going to go around scouting players in the domestic when ultimately he's going to be overridden by an incompetent selection committee.

Mickey has done all that he could within the limitations that Pakistan cricket gives you. He's made sure there's a culture of fitness and fielding has improved leaps and bounds in his tenure. That's all you can expect from him really. Sure he does not get absolved of all the crimes because playing 1 spinner in the UAE was nothing short of criminal and brought his SA mentality into the Asian conditions which is another reason why in his tenure Pakistan has had a pathetic UAE record.

However, most of the blame goes to Sarfraz. He has zero man management skills, does not justify himself with the bat and most importantly is a very ordinary captain. Half of the games could've been salvaged had he been more astute. His understanding of the game has always been shoddy. From having SA at 93/5, he has allowed SA to score more than 200 runs for the loss of 2 wickets. Test cricket is not his forte because captaincy at Test level requires innovation and patience. Both of which he doesn't possess. T20 is the easiest form of captaincy and he revels in it because he doesn't have to do anything other than bring in the bowlers (which also has a set pattern in T20s).

What is demoralizing is the fact that Sarfraz actually has the capability to become a top player in Test cricket if he accepts criticism and work on his batting. There's a reason why great captains have always had the trait of being calm and patient. Sarfraz's impatience in batting where he wants to play at every delivery even in Test cricket translates into him being impatient at the captaincy level too. Afridi was very similar as well.

It would be best for Pakistan cricket if the whole Test team starts from a blank slate. I know Aamir Sohail wasn't a bright selector but I believe he did one thing right when he cleaned the slate on the back of the disastrous 2003 World Cup. Wasim, Waqar, Anwar were deservedly shown the door. Inzi was temporarily sidelined and Sohail inducted the team with youngsters like Hafeez, Gul, Yasir Hameed, Salman Butt.

Similar purge is needed right now. Inzi, Mickey and Sarfraz needs to be sacked, which should happen after the 2019 World Cup.

 

[hadi123]

Cricket is a sport in which I think on field tactics, form field changes to bowling changes and batting order make a big difference.

Back room strategies about pitch conditions, opposition batsmen and bowlers are equally important.

If coach wouldnt have made a difference, Aussies wouldnt have fired Arthur and England wouldnt have fired Peter Moores.

Post Peter Moores and Cook as captain in ODIs, look at the strides England cricket have made.

True to some extent but our batsmen have just been pathetic.

 

[Titan24]

True to some extent but our batsmen have just been pathetic.

Agreed, but when you dont drop players like Asad Shafiq, Sarfaraz after more than an year of failure and coach says Asad shows glimpses of Tendulkar than we what can we expect.

When you know your batting is weak you cant make mistakes when selecting your bowlers, if that also happens then these kind of results are inevitable.

Also England's batting and bowling were both pathetic in 2014 and some part of 2015, its the change of mindset which can do wonders for a side with decent potential.

 

[Markhor]

From 2015 England ODI side to current one, there is no domestic structure or any kind of change.

Only change was replacing Peter Moores with Travis Baylis and Cook with Morgan. They retained the core and chopped and changed few players.

There is no reason Pak cant do the same.

The fundamentals of English cricket are sound unlike Pakistan everything from school, club and domestic cricket needs reforms.

 

[Markhor]

To be fair to Mickey, he's coming from a background where things are done professionally and have a domestic structure that churns out good talent regularly.

Here he has nothing to work with. The talent that he is receiving from the domestic is garbage to say the least. And he's not going to go around scouting players in the domestic when ultimately he's going to be overridden by an incompetent selection committee.

Mickey has done all that he could within the limitations that Pakistan cricket gives you. He's made sure there's a culture of fitness and fielding has improved leaps and bounds in his tenure. That's all you can expect from him really. Sure he does not get absolved of all the crimes because playing 1 spinner in the UAE was nothing short of criminal and brought his SA mentality into the Asian conditions which is another reason why in his tenure Pakistan has had a pathetic UAE record.

However, most of the blame goes to Sarfraz. He has zero man management skills, does not justify himself with the bat and most importantly is a very ordinary captain. Half of the games could've been salvaged had he been more astute. His understanding of the game has always been shoddy. From having SA at 93/5, he has allowed SA to score more than 200 runs for the loss of 2 wickets. Test cricket is not his forte because captaincy at Test level requires innovation and patience. Both of which he doesn't possess. T20 is the easiest form of captaincy and he revels in it because he doesn't have to do anything other than bring in the bowlers (which also has a set pattern in T20s).

What is demoralizing is the fact that Sarfraz actually has the capability to become a top player in Test cricket if he accepts criticism and work on his batting. There's a reason why great captains have always had the trait of being calm and patient. Sarfraz's impatience in batting where he wants to play at every delivery even in Test cricket translates into him being impatient at the captaincy level too. Afridi was very similar as well.

It would be best for Pakistan cricket if the whole Test team starts from a blank slate. I know Aamir Sohail wasn't a bright selector but I believe he did one thing right when he cleaned the slate on the back of the disastrous 2003 World Cup. Wasim, Waqar, Anwar were deservedly shown the door. Inzi was temporarily sidelined and Sohail inducted the team with youngsters like Hafeez, Gul, Yasir Hameed, Salman Butt.

Similar purge is needed right now. Inzi, Mickey and Sarfraz needs to be sacked, which should happen after the 2019 World Cup.

I agree with everything except the last line. Retain Mickey as I think he can get better results with better tools at his disposal. Consistent FC performers like Salahuddin and Fawad need to be given an extended run. I wouldn't mind changing the Chief Selector but knowing PCB, they'll resurrect someone like Haroon Rasheed or Iqbal Qasim.

 

[Titan24]

The fundamentals of English cricket are sound unlike Pakistan everything from school, club and domestic cricket needs reforms.

What have they achieved with those sound fundamentals before?

Why werent they this good with those fundamentals?

Domestic cricket can give you players, the way you use them and develop them is completely dependent on the team management of the national team.

They have changed their style of cricket and in turn selection criteria. Jason Roy Wouldnt have played for England if Baylis and Morgan were not there and Bairstow would never have opened. There are countless number of such decisions.

 

[Titan24]

I agree with everything except the last line. Retain Mickey as I think he can get better results with better tools at his disposal. Consistent FC performers like Salahuddin and Fawad need to be given an extended run. I wouldn't mind changing the Chief Selector but knowing PCB, they'll resurrect someone like Haroon Rasheed or Iqbal Qasim.

How would you defend selecting 3 seamers in UAE against Srl and having Bilal Asif as 2nd spinner against NZ?

 

[shariqnoor]

I agree with everything except the last line. Retain Mickey as I think he can get better results with better tools at his disposal. Consistent FC performers like Salahuddin and Fawad need to be given an extended run. I wouldn't mind changing the Chief Selector but knowing PCB, they'll resurrect someone like Haroon Rasheed or Iqbal Qasim.

At the moment, it doesn't really matter who's the coach because the problem runs deeper than just changing the coach. However I believe these group of players are also not buying into Mickey and maybe he has lost the dressing room which is why I think even he should go.

But, yeah I can live with Mickey as the coach if he has the respect of the players, however, he also needs to get better at understanding Asian conditions.

 

[Titan24]

If you look at the England cricket team matches and commentary in 2014, 15 they were also blaming it to the structure and stuff etc.

Aussies supposedly have the best structure, there is no quality batsman in their 6 provincial teams other than Smith and Warner and no quality bowler other than Starc, Cummins and Hazlewood. Siddle as the 4th option shows that.

Domestic structure is always the answer to most of the issues on this forum as well as some analysts on the TV. Yes we need to improve that but it cant do anything if you dont know how to use players and national level.

What change have England or NZ made to their domestic structure over the last decade?

 

[hadi123]

How would you defend selecting 3 seamers in UAE against Srl and having Bilal Asif as 2nd spinner against NZ?

Yeah that was a huge blunder for sure and I think the SL series is probably the only series where I feel the result would have been different if we done things differently. I think for some of the other series such as Asia Cup, the whitewash by NZ it was simply down to poor cricket.

 

[Hasan123]

Agreed, but when you dont drop players like Asad Shafiq, Sarfaraz after more than an year of failure and coach says Asad shows glimpses of Tendulkar than we what can we expect.

When you know your batting is weak you cant make mistakes when selecting your bowlers, if that also happens then these kind of results are inevitable.

Also England's batting and bowling were both pathetic in 2014 and some part of 2015, its the change of mindset which can do wonders for a side with decent potential.

English media were calling for Roy ,Hales ,Billings,and other talent to be selected before the WC. Talent was there, they just weren't selecting the right team.

 

[TeymurBlake]

I think the team as a whole deserves to take some blame really.

 

[Markhor]

How would you defend selecting 3 seamers in UAE against Srl and having Bilal Asif as 2nd spinner against NZ?

I don't defend it. However did Captain Fantastic learn nothing in the many years he played under Misbah who never went into a UAE Test without at least two spinners ? He had Mohammad Asghar and Bilal Asif in the SL Test squad and picked neither.

As for Bilal Asif as the second spinner vs NZ, it wouldn't even be a discussion point if the captain showed some responsibility for once in his career in the Abu Dhabi chase in the 1st Test and took us home - just like he failed to do so in the Abu Dhabi chase 12 months earlier vs SL.

 

[Markhor]

What have they achieved with those sound fundamentals before?

Why werent they this good with those fundamentals?

Domestic cricket can give you players, the way you use them and develop them is completely dependent on the team management of the national team.

They have changed their style of cricket and in turn selection criteria. Jason Roy Wouldnt have played for England if Baylis and Morgan were not there and Bairstow would never have opened. There are countless number of such decisions.

This is a classic Pakistan fan delusion - we have the players but they aren't being used right by the team management.

England were capable of turning their ODI cricket around because they already had the quality and depth of talent in the system - it was just a question of selecting them and giving them an extended run.

What equivalent talent do you see in Pakistan ? The highest runscorer batsman in the recent Quaid-e-Azam One Day Cup was Salman frickin' Butt.

 

[Savak]

This is a classic Pakistan fan delusion - we have the players but they aren't being used right by the team management.

England were capable of turning their ODI cricket around because they already had the quality and depth of talent in the system - it was just a question of selecting them and giving them an extended run.

What equivalent talent do you see in Pakistan ? The highest runscorer batsman in the recent Quaid-e-Azam One Day Cup was Salman frickin' Butt.

Then lol select Salman Frickin Butt

 

[Greenstorm]

This has to be Sarfaraz's last test as a captain, unless he pulls off a match winning 100 or something. Mickey will probably last until WC. Can't say anything about Inzi.

 

[umerz]

Take a look at all previous tours of SA and let me know if you still feel the same. We have hardly won there when we had an amazing team that too due to some amazing individual performances.

 

[Dark Magician]

Asad Shafiq is a senior but hides far away from responsibility. Azhar has had his courage questioned. Imam is technically poor as an opener. Safraz is not a good captain at all. Team selection for the previous two tests have been poor. Selection of Yasir Shah in Pretoria and Cape Town was just being stupid. This culture of seniors in Pakistan cricket is holding you lot back. It means that the so called seniors get away with mediocrity. Secondly, Pakistan has been the only Asian team that could give South Africa a shock because of their fast bowlers. The current lot you got are not good enough for test cricket. Abbas is alright but Amir bowling in the early 130s ain't it. I reckon good honest assessment can help.

 

[Amjid Javed]

no Accountability for rubbish performances.

The so called heated meeting mid series did nothing for the team.

Pakistan will continue to get worse with these 3 guys in charge.

 

[Shafi]

Out of the 3 Micky is the better one and Inzi is the worse but we will see Inzi will be the winner and Micky will be sacked.
Mani is either puppet of IK or doesn't have any power to sack Inzi. PSL is next moth and after that all will be forgotten. Inzi will select the same team and we will be whitewashed by Australia.
At least Sethi would sack Inzi to save PCB.

 

[Savak]

Mohd Wasim's hard hitting criticism of the PCB Selection Committee and Pakistan Team Management

You can't dispute the guys views, he is backing his statements with factual evidence

I see every ex test cricketer and tv pundit blaming our domestic cricket structure for our whitewash in South Africa, my point is how can you blame our domestic cricket when you don't even take it seriously and you don't bother to select and give chances to the top performers in domestic cricket in the national team

You keep selecting the team on the basis of T-20 performances, in that case then don't blame domestic cricket then

A lot of people keep complaining about the standard of balls and domestic pitches being used in domestic cricket, that is old news, the quality of balls and pitches have started to improve but it is still not ideal and there is room for improvement

Everyone complains about the batting line up not performing. Babar Azam has only got 3 centuries in first class cricket, on the basis of these stats you expect him to score 150 runs and play match winning innings in every innings? Fakhar Zaman has 6 first class centuries in over 40 matches, forget the averages for now but do you think he will score a double century in South Africa? Imam ul Haq has 4 centuries in the same number of matches, do you expect him to become a legend in test cricket?

My point is you need to make these players play in first class cricket so that they can learn the art of batting for a long time, how to play innings by innings, session by session. If these players don't know how to do these things then how can you expect them to go and win test matches for Pakistan

On the other hand, you have Usman Sallahudin who has played 108 matches and scored 25 centuries, Abid Ali has 17 centuries, Saad Ali has 11 centuries, Fawad Alam has 30 centuries, Khurram Manzoor even though he is a TTF on current form has 24 centuries, even Umar Akmal, Umar Amin, Iftikhar Ahmed have done well this season, if you select these players and if they end up failing in South Africa, then you can say that our domestic cricket structure is not good but don't blame domestic cricket if you don't select these players

Lets focus on the bowlers now, everyone complains we don't have good spinners. Shadab Khan is being selected on the basis of his T-20 performances, he only has two five wicket hauls in 4 day cricket and you expect him to go to South Africa and get you ten wickets in the match and 5 wickets every innings?

Kashif Bhatti has 19 five wicket hauls and has been topping the domestic charts for the last few years. How can you say you have no spinners if you aren't willing to give your top performers an opportunity? Then you also have other left arm spinners like Nauman Ali and Mohd Irfan, all very good bowlers with impressive stats

Then you have Tabish Khan who has a clean off spinners action and he knows how to grip and spin the ball big

Lets focus on the fast bowlers now, Mir Hamza whom you gave just one match in the graveyard pitches of the UAE and discarded him. He has 25 five wicket hauls in 4 day wickets, he knows the art of taking 5 wicket hauls in the longer version of the game but you decided to debut him on an absolutely flat wicket in UAE but dropped him from the tour where he was going to get excellent bowling conditions

Similarly, Tabish Khan has 25 five wicket hauls and over 500 wickets in 118 matches

Sadaf Hussein has 25 plus five wicket hauls and over 400 wickets in domestic cricket in 103 matches

Asif also has plenty of five wicket hauls, if you can select Amir in the Pakistan team again, why not Asif? He also bowls at 125-130 km/hr similar to the pace your current fast bowlers were bowling at, everyone should be treated the same

Now the bowlers you selected, Shaheen Shah Afridi has only one 5 wicket haul in domestic cricket, he hasn't played a lot of domestic cricket, do you think he is going to win you a game in South Africa?

Faheem Ashraf has 2 centuries and 5 Five wicket hauls in over 40 matches in domestic cricket, but do you think he is the next Abdul Razzaq or Azhar Mahmood based on these stats?

Mohd Amir, is everyone's favorite blue eyed boy from the team management to the selectors, he has 119 test wickets and only 4 five wicket hauls, the vast majority of his performances occurred before his ban, ever since he has come back he only has one 5 wicket haul but you still keep playing him, selecting him and even in first class cricket in 66 matches, he only has 13 five wicket hauls but he is always getting preferential treatment when it comes to getting the new ball, topping the central contract list

Aizaz Cheema is again topping the domestic charts and is almost touching 40 now but he I can guarantee you can bowl at 130 km/hr

My point is that the selectors are selecting players via shortcuts through T-20 cricket, don't blame domestic cricket without trying the top domestic performers first

You can all very well judge how much the likes of Inzamam ul Haq, Mickey Arthur, Grant Flower, Azhar Mahmood know about our domestic cricket?

First select the team honestly and then blame domestic cricket

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Wasim is one of the few ex-cricketer whose opinion i value.

Clean cricketer, neutral and played first class for a long time for KRL and now coach of PTV.

Included young guns in PTV and now they are thriving.

 

[Chokli]

thank you for writing down the cliff notes.

wasim speaking some sensible stuff... blame goes to the management and think tank

imam can get a chance in tests/odis but someone like salahuddin can't?

 

[Justcrazy]

He is bang on target

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

thank you for writing down the cliff notes.

wasim speaking some sensible stuff... blame goes to the management and think tank

imam can get a chance in tests/odis but someone like salahuddin can't?

Because Inzi and Mickey value stroke makers people who bat at a high SR.

Like M Wasim said we are selecting guys on the basis of PSL/T20 games.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Azhar Ali has played over 70 test matches.

Asad Shafiq has played 66 test matches.

Sarfraz Ahmed has played 50 test matches

Babar Azam was your best performing batsman

Shan Masood is a domestic performer, who was your second best batsman.

Haris Sohail has a FC average of 60+ I believe.

Where do you fit in Fawad, Saad or Saud in the middle-order? It's easy to say now, that Azhar has had a horrid series and Shafiq was his inconsistent best. Fawad didn't get a chance because the team management decided to pick Haris over him, a decision that I doubt many of you would disagree with. Haris has a much superior game to Fawad Alam in terms of facing pace bowling. Unfortunately, he got injured but got replaced by a batsman who was your second best batsman of the series.

With respect to openers, Abid Ali might feel hard done by definitely. Monstrous performances against NZ A, Aus and England Lions. But what is the certainty he would have been successful in South Africa, with Duanne Olivier extracting bounce unseen in the Pakistan domestic circuit? Fakhar was included, since he is the only dynamic batsman right now in Pakistan cricket. Unfortunately, he was exposed pretty bad but I believe he is mentally strong to come back from this. Not a fan of Imam at all, but he showed guts out there and participated in the only 50 partnership by Pakistani openers since 2002-03. Credit where it's due.

Agree on Shadab's inclusion in the Test team, but he hasn't done that bad in the only Test he played.

Playing Hamza wouldn't have done much sorry. We needed an enforcer, rather than another 120-130 kph bowler.