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Pakistan need to remove Mohammad Rizwan from their T20I side

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Rizwan is the single biggest reason of why Pakistan T20 team have gone down so much. On merit Rizwan cannot earn a place in the Pakistan T20 team. His batting has lot of holes and his batting style does not match with what T20 game need. He could not survive in middle order so instead of replacing him, he was appointed as an opener and its been downhill since then. That was an extremely selfish decision of putting Rizwan's T20 career over Pakistan's interests and has cost Pakistan dearly. Time to fix this issue as Rizwan is holding Pakistan back. Invest in Harris as a WK and also prepare another WK. Say goodbye to Rizwan.
 
Not fair to single him out

Him, Babar and Shan Masood have no business in this side.
 
If you don't like Rizwan as an opener and that makes a lot of sense, that's fine I guess.

But dropping him completely is another level of Pakistani craziness :))
 
pillionrider said:
If you don't like Rizwan as an opener and that makes a lot of sense, that's fine I guess.

But dropping him completely is another level of Pakistani craziness :))
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Where would you bat him though?

On merit, he was a failure everywhere else.
 
This was expected as Rizwan's Poor Footwork exposed him one more time, when pitch has true bounce Rizzy looks so unorthodox. He is trying to hit the away ball without bringing his body closer to the line.

In subcontinent, Rizwan and babar are the greatest T20 pair Pakistan have ever produced but these guys single handedly cost us the T20 World cup. Middle order didnt perform in Asia or Dubai because they cant hit from get go unlike the true bounce of australia, in dubai one needs to settle down before they can go berserk. Since RizBar pair played most of the innings causing way too much pressure on middle to lower middle order.
 
He has been found out on the offside. Needs to massively change his play to be effective in the future.
 
Rana said:
Where would you bat him though?

On merit, he was a failure everywhere else.
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In Shan Masood's role. I know it might sound dumb now, but if there was only 1 spot in the middle order, I'd take Rizwan over Masood.
 
Yes yes yes it's all the fault of the only 2 Pak batsmen in the top 10 rankings not the others who couldn't score a run a ball against Zimbabwe needing 39 off 42 deliveries.
 
Rizwan is the neatest WK in Pakistan, he is amongst the best that have ever represented Pakistan.

However, he should bat middle/lower order. Run a ball innings is not winning many games in T20. You need impact players at the top.
 
ZafarKhan2022 said:
Yes yes yes it's all the fault of the only 2 Pak batsmen in the top 10 rankings not the others who couldn't score a run a ball against Zimbabwe needing 39 off 42 deliveries.
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Who cares about the rankings?
This WC has shown how over(rated) both the openers are. Every single game they put the team under serious pressure, wasting deliveries and getting out.
 
Rana said:
Not fair to single him out

Him, Babar and Shan Masood have no business in this side.
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Shafi said:
Take out over-hyped Babar and useless Shan.
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I dont want to give up on Babar. I would do 3 things immediately:
(1) Take captaincy away from Babar
(2) Move him to #3
(3) Remind him that no more selfish play will be tolerated

After taking above 3 steps I will give him chance. He still has enough talent to make the T20 team on merit especially if Pakistan go with 2 aggressive openers.

I dont worry about Shan. He will not make the 1st team. He is a backup of Babar and will only be included in the team if Babar is not playing.
 
Why not have a dynamic team... When chasing 130 to 150 let Rizbar open and when chasing anything above or setting target keep the batting order something like Haider,Haris, Bobby, Ifti, Shady, Nawaz... Best of both approaches
 
Lol both Rizwan and Babar have just not found their groove in these conditions. What is heartening to see is the middle order standing up in a crucial game against a very strong opponent.

I think Babar needs to move one place down and Fakhar/Haris to open the innings.
 
srh said:
I dont want to give up on Babar. I would do 3 things immediately:
(1) Take captaincy away from Babar
(2) Move him to #3
(3) Remind him that no more selfish play will be tolerated

After taking above 3 steps I will give him chance. He still has enough talent to make the T20 team on merit especially if Pakistan go with 2 aggressive openers.

I dont worry about Shan. He will not make the 1st team. He is a backup of Babar and will only be included in the team if Babar is not playing.
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It’s too late for Babar I think

He should have chosen the path of selflessness much earlier instead of destroying careers of other openers.

Too many bodies have piled up because of Babar’s ego. He needs to pay for the wrongs he has done
 
Indian openers duo are also failing same way but no one is demanding their removal. Craziness should be within a limit.
 
Been saying it for years that if rizwan plays limted overs it should purely be as a middle order batsman who comes in when we have lost wickets

Hopefully Haris can develop its a good limited overs keeper


Babar will also do a lot better as an opener if he has another partner
 
Both Babar and Rizwan can't open for Pakistan in T20s. It's a cancer that will slowly kill us in T20s when we play around the world.

You need a high impactful player in the top order, this is a basic T20 requirement that Team Pakistan fails to understand.
 
Zaz said:
Wrist slitters are out again What a nonsense of a thread

Some people shouldnt be allowed to post on here

Hes been our best t20 batter over last two years and people want him out cos hes failed in 3 innings ?

Wow
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3 innings? Do you want me to list all of his failures leading up to this?
 
After WC some tough call need to made by PCB chairman and selectors. Babar Azam and Head coach need to be fired first . The trio of Babar, Rizwan and Shan doing more harm than good . Their old style play does not suit modern era cricket especially in T20. Pakistan need to identify a captain and give him some time to build a dynamic T20 side. Today Haris showed that talent is there in Pakistan. U need to pick the right player for right format. Haris and Saim Ayub or Haris and Fakhar can be tried to see what they does . Babar can play at no. 3 followed by ifti. From this line up I believe only Shadab Khan is capable of taking over captaincy reign from Babar and build a side.
 
He needs to stay and Shan needs to go. Team is big enough for only 1 of them. When Fakhar heals he needs to come back and replace Shan.

I still think in terms of glovework, Riz is the best we have. We cannot afford even more dropped catches / missed stumping / runouts :kakmal
 
One new comer (Muhammad Haris) performs and there's a thread of questioning all others around him, some want all three Babar-Rizwan-Shaan gone :))) . If Pakistan's middle order had performed the way they did in this WC then they would have won many more games. They have crumbled way too many times even when they had lots of overs so let's not get ahead of ourselves. It's good to see Nawaz, Shadab and Iftikhar finally started performing since NZ series in the middle order, which is expected off a middle order to "perform"

Rizwan still scores heavily while opening and he has scored the most for Pakistan and we have fans who want to chop him? :facepalm. Babar needs to come one down and a hard striking consistent batsmen need to be opening, ideally Fakhar if he performs. The way our fans keep demanding 200 SR batsmen top to bottom is a joke
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Maybe he means 3 trophies?

Last WC
Asia Cup
This WC
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yes thats a more appropriate three failures collectively

There are a string of poor performances and examples of complacency that have come into his game. He is batting like he is doing Pakistan a great favour with this approach! Seriously, enough is enough! He has also not allowed Muhammad Harris to play any games in the build up to the world cup even as a back up keeper batsman, that too against Bangladesh and other dead rubbers! So many things wrong with this guy and Pakistan deserves proper answers!
 
Rizwan is fine. Geez we fans have such a poor memory.

The main issue is selfish Babar for not giving away his slot.
 
Zaz said:
Yes please and then list his success too
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What success? Why dont you do that and we can all have a big laugh as it would be runs agains B/C string sides

He didnt even make it past Parnell today. Rabada, Nortje and Lungi would have been too good for him! He needs guys like Sipamla and Phelu to build the illusion of 'success'!
 
If you can't play pace and bounce, you are not good enough imo.

Rizwan can't even hit sixes vs spin like Shreyas Iyer.
 
Rana said:
What success? Why dont you do that and we can all have a big laugh as it would be runs agains B/C string sides

He didnt even make it past Parnell today. Rabada, Nortje and Lungi would have been too good for him! He needs guys like Sipamla and Phelu to build the illusion of 'success'!
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Yes all his success like babars is by making runs against B and C teams and bowlers

Only the likes of Ifti and Shadab can play nortje rabada and co

Riz cant play anything above 80mph and was wrongly stated as the no 1 ICC batter

Got it thanks
 
Rizwan has been consistent in the last year or so.

But this recent T20WC has badly exposed his offside game and big hitting.

He has time and the ability to work on these two faults.

As for opening, I don't know where else he can bat.
 
Ab Fan said:
If you can't play pace and bounce, you are not good enough imo.

Rizwan can't even hit sixes vs spin like Shreyas Iyer.
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He can't play pace and bounce and can't even hit sixes vs spin so how did he manage to hit 67 sixes in International cricket? Pant on the other hand has only hit 37 sixes. :ab :inti
 
TeymurBlake said:
Rizwan has been consistent in the last year or so.

But this recent T20WC has badly exposed his offside game and big hitting.

He has time and the ability to work on these two faults.

As for opening, I don't know where else he can bat.
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If there's nowhere else for him to bat, then he doesn't need to play T20Is. There's no need to squeeze people in just for the sake of it. We're not short of a keeper. Haris can replace him as opener and keeper.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
He can't play pace and bounce and can't even hit sixes vs spin so how did he manage to hit 67 sixes in International cricket? Pant on the other hand has only hit 37 sixes. :ab :inti
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Yes, he can't play pace and bounce. He has been absolutely tailendersque in this tournament which is held in Australia, a paradise for pace and bounce.

Again, yes, he can't hit sixes like Shreyas Iyer vs spin. The reason behind comparison vs Iyer is because Iyer is a spin basher who can't play pace and bounce.

Pant is the next Gilchrist, there is no comparison of these two with him. You are deliberately bringing a guy who has won his two test series against an extremely strong Australian attack, one of them on their Fortress on Day 5 chasing a target at almost 5 RPO in high pressure match with everything on line. All hail the great for that performance! This is beyond the league of any Pakistani batsman let alone Rizwan lol. :91: :inti
 
Never be too quick to judge someone. Rizwan has built his reputation across the world now. The consistency he has shown is unheard of in T20s. Few bad matches does not erase this memory. He is one of the few "world class" players we have and across whom this team is being built. He is as integral as Babar if not more.
 
Paks batting stocks must be at a all time high, to suggest to drop paks best w/k batsman ever.
 
Only harshness like this will set an example - you wan't to play for Pakistan? Stop playing selfishly. It doesn't matter how many runs he's got. You set a precedent like this by dropping Rizwan we'll stop all these players playing for milestones
 
As much as time we wasted with Asif Haider khushdl

Time to give Haris and Azam khan a good run. Rizwan don’t belong to this t20 team
 
Rana said:
Not fair to single him out

Him, Babar and Shan Masood have no business in this side.
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Haider & Harris or Harris & Saim Ayub is a better opening duo than RizBab.

Babar at #3 deserves a chance. If he fails there, then replace him.

ESPN analysts picked 20 young players in 2020 who might dominate next decade. Haider & Naseem were only Pakistanis there. We damaged Haider's confidence by changing his batting position, tinkering with his batting style, turning him to a finisher while knowing that he opened in 2020 youth WC and opens for Northern in FC etc.
 
Falcon'sParwaz said:
Haider & Harris or Harris & Saim Ayub is a better opening duo than RizBab.

Babar at #3 deserves a chance. If he fails there, then replace him.

ESPN analysts picked 20 young players in 2020 who might dominate next decade. Haider & Naseem were only Pakistanis there. We damaged Haider's confidence by changing his batting position, tinkering with his batting style, turning him to a finisher while knowing that he opened in 2020 youth WC and opens for Northern in FC etc.
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Babar deserves no chances at 3 after he ruined the careers of Fakhar and Sharjeel who were forced to play at 3 because of his selfishness!
 
What a turnaround

From the argument Rizwan+Babar = Pakistan batting to

Pakistan > Pakistan - Rizwan
 
Babar's batting has been of a nervous debutant. He has been thoroughly embarrassed in the Asia Cup and the T-20 WC, Babar also went missing in the 2018 Asia Cup. These are the big stages and a hyped batsman of his caliber needed to put up some performance to show his quality, class. The ability to get out of a bad rut and respond with a big score on the biggest stage, to rise to the occasion is what defines a great player from a mediocre player. Had he not been captain, an honest captain would have benched him right now.
 
Rana said:
He isnt even better than Kamran Akmal what are you on about?
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He left akmal behind many moons ago with his batting and can catch a ball

Riz isnt going anyway Get use to it
 
Zaz said:
He left akmal behind many moons ago with his batting and can catch a ball

Riz isnt going anyway Get use to it
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Well then get used to the severe amount of criticism he will receive
 
I don't think they should completely exit the team. Somedays the middle order will blast and get us to big totals and somedays it will fail horribly. Why not be prepared for both situations. Babar and rizwan need to step down to no.3 and 4 and have haris and fakhar open the batting. If those two fail they can come along and do what they do best. If they get us off to a good start shadab/nawaz/ifti can take over. This will bring great flexibility to the team. Shan can be a reserve for these two.
 
I would also like to see how they fare in the middle order. I doubt it would cause a significant change as it's quite ez to maintain their 120-130 sr even without the power play
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
He won't last. This is his last WC.
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No. He has done enough to secure his place in the side for the near future. Pakistan has this thing about respecting seniors in the team & unless **** hits the ceiling, they will not drop Rizwan.
 
Rana said:
You Rizwan fans need to have respect for a former World Cup winner for Pakistan.
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Yep Kami for all his mistakes gave us wonderful memories vs India, England etc.

Can you imagine Rizwan playing the Kami 2005/2006 innings vs India Karachi, Mohali etc?

Lad gets injured every T20 lol.
 
dildilpak said:
No. He has done enough to secure his place in the side for the near future. Pakistan has this thing about respecting seniors in the team & unless **** hits the ceiling, they will not drop Rizwan.
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It's already hit the fan wake up.
 
For every mohali/Karachi akmal done a Sydney/Eng 2010 shocking keeping in 2011 World Cup not to mention a certified fixer.
 
AAli98 said:
For every mohali/Karachi akmal done a Sydney/Eng 2010 shocking keeping in 2011 World Cup not to mention a certified fixer.
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But he can be considered as a batsman. He is especially good in cut and pull which would have been useful in Australian pitches.
 
I know its early days but...? (or swap Haris with Riz)

Fakhar
Haris
Babar
Riz
Ifti
Nawaz
Shadab
Wasim
Afridi
Naseem
Haris

12th Man: Shan
 
ex-q-zit said:
But he can be considered as a batsman. He is especially good in cut and pull which would have been useful in Australian pitches.
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Talking about who’s paks best ever w/k batsman combined. Otherwise moin would be the best batsman rashid best keeper.
 
I've just had a quick look of Muhammad Haris' profile on Cricinfo and I can see he's an "Occasional Wicketkeeper". That suggests his wicket keeping is not the standard of a full-time international wicketkeeper.

I agree Rizwan shouldn't be opening. I even proposed this after his appalling innings in the Asia Cup final.

Ever since it's obvious that we need to use him like how India does with DK. Bat him at 8 (or 9) as the last recognised batsman in the side.

Thank you Misbah for promoting Rizwan, you genius.
 
Rana said:
Well then get used to the severe amount of criticism he will receive
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I dont see any severe criticism of him apart from a few deluded posters on pakpassion

Riz isnt going to be dropped and neither does he deserve to be

Hes not playing well at mo but this too shall pass
 
Rizwan is the greatest t20 opener in Pakistan's history.

I can't remember the last series in which he failed prior to this WC. His consistency has been astonishing. He was due a bad run and it's a shame it's happened now, but Australia is a tough hunting ground for all of our batsmen.

Make no mistake. Rizwan has delivered so many tight slaps over the last 2 years and more are on their way. Write him off at your peril, In any case, he already has cemented his place as the pride of Pakistan and the opener in our all time t20 XI.
 
I wouldn't drop him.

There are two solutions.

One is to play two attacking openers and slot RizBar behind them as a safety net. If the openers fire, you can send a third attacking batsman (i.e. Fakhar/Haider/Asif Ali) and if they don't you send Rizwan or Babar.

The second solution is to have one attacking opener alongside Rizwan. Babar drops back.

I like the first solution but the second is fine if Rizwan can't perform down the order.
 
I've had a few days to think about all this
I'm willing to accept when I'm wrong...

It's not some Posters who are clueless, it's the vast majority...

Carry on
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Yep Kami for all his mistakes gave us wonderful memories vs India, England etc.

Can you imagine Rizwan playing the Kami 2005/2006 innings vs India Karachi, Mohali etc?

Lad gets injured every T20 lol.
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I recall the fantastic memories of Kamran Akmal making us a respected and proud cricketing nation. Youtube comments are full of praise for Kamran Akmal from other countries.

Such a shame that we have a worldwide embarrassment, match fixer and garbage talker in the team currently. Oh to bring back the great Kamran Akmal.
 
Out to a nothing ball today

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I would not drop Rizwan. He's the best wicket keeper in Pakistam by a long shot. If he's batting poorly in a particular country he can come down the order at 6 or 7 like many other wicket keepers.
 
The problem is not Rizwan. Its Rizwan and Babar opening together. Pakistan needs an aggressive opener along with Rizwan to take advantage of the power play. Babar should come in at 3 or 4. Pakistan's performance in the Powerplay has been pathetic.
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
The problem is not Rizwan. Its Rizwan and Babar opening together. Pakistan needs an aggressive opener along with Rizwan to take advantage of the power play. Babar should come in at 3 or 4. Pakistan's performance in the Powerplay has been pathetic.
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This pretty much.
 
Most player of the match awards by a Pakistani in T20Is:

Mohammad Rizwan 11
Shahid Afridi 11
Mohammad Hafeez 11
Shadab Khan 10
Babar Azam 8

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daytrader said:
Most player of the match awards by a Pakistani in T20Is:

Mohammad Rizwan 11
Shahid Afridi 11
Mohammad Hafeez 11
Shadab Khan 10
Babar Azam 8

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Mohammad Rizwan is the greatest t20 opener in the history of Pakistan cricket.

And now we can say he has performed all over the world. MashaAllah. He deserves this moment.
 
Shahid Afridi was a darling when he failed 80% of the time, but the remaining 20% was high impact full of memories. Rizwan does not get that kind of love from Pakistanis despite being an essential part of many recollections.

I myself got off the BabRiz T20 bandwagon recently, so it will take much more before I jump back on. But the least you can do is acknowledge his brilliance instead of coming up with excuses.
 
Major said:
Another fail thread.

THe guy took us to a World Cup Final
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One inning is enough to compensate for all his failures? Dont forget New Zealand's score was way below the par thanks to Pakistan's great bowling. Pakistan won that match because of its bowling.
 
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