Pakistan needs to control population growth to become high middle-income country

[good guy]

Pakistan will have to reduce its current population growth rate to half in the next 30 years to achieve the status of a high middle-income country, as the current pace of increase in population is a barrier to becoming a prosperous nation, said World Bank Country Director Patchamuthu Illango.

“Pakistan will remain a low-income country even after 30 years when it turns 100, if it does not control the exploding population bomb,” said Illango while speaking at a seminar.

For the next 30 years, there are two possible pathways for Pakistan’s economy and two different futures, he added. The recent population census revealed a number of 207.7 million. If we project that to 2047, then Pakistan’s population will be 400 million people
If we project the economic growth rate of the last 70 years to next 30 years, then the GDP per capita of Pakistan could be the same as today, said Illango. Pakistan’s per capita income is $1,629, which clubs it among low-income nations
https://tribune.com.pk/story/164115...try-pakistan-needs-control-population-growth/

 

[Slog]

so in other words Pakistan won't become one

There more chance of abnormally high GDP growth than of population control

 

[UP]

Allah de ga jis ne paida kiya hai. This mentality will never go away.

 

[saeedhk]

Overpopulation is the biggest problem faced by Pakistan but the least-talked about.Overpopulation is a curse.

 

[Syed1]

We first need to kill the "Allah deh ga" mentality.

 

[good guy]

and India is gonna be world biggest population in the world by 2024

so it means both of countries are in deep trouble because more population means more food need and water and energy and majority of the population of the countries are depend on one water source that is in Kashmir

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We first need to kill the "Allah deh ga" mentality.

Should be the responsibility of the government, that is why they put themselves up for election. I'm sure it could be worded in an acceptable manner to the public with a bit of imagination.

 

[DeadBall]

Besides Allah dea gaa, there has to be sexual education and freedom. That is why the fertility rate is so low in countries that have them. However it's never going to happen in Pakistan.

 

[DeadBall]

Should be the responsibility of the government, that is why they put themselves up for election. I'm sure it could be worded in an acceptable manner to the public with a bit of imagination.

Why should they though? More people mean more votes.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why should they though? More people mean more votes.

Maybe the population is happy chugging along with low income then.

 

[good guy]

is population crisis do not stop in this world then we will have endless wars

if we stop this thing then could be
wind of change

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Maybe we should play rock anthem videos to third world masses to get the message across.

 

[troodon]

Marriage is an industry in Subcontinent. Everyone has to get married and have lots of kids. There is extreme family pressure to do that.

When marriage and having kids becomes an industry and everyone has kids (more than 1), the population either remains the same or increases. In subcontinent, where having 3 or 4 kids is still a norm, there is no hope.

To me, In India, the damage was done about 60 years ago. 7-10 kids was a given in those times. No food to eat and no clothes to wear and still couples popped out kids. It did not matter which caste a person belonged to at that time. Everyone had a dozen kids.
Most of these kids were malnourished and illiterate.

Now the rich, Upper middle and middle class have realized the importance of smaller families. But the poor continue to have lots of kids.

The damage has already been done. With advancing medicine and increasing life expectancy each decade, it becomes even more difficult to lower population,

India is expected to max out at about 160 crores and will stabilize in the next 20 years. Way too many people. In fact about 100 crore people more than the country could handle.

When I was a kid, our teachers used to say how the current generation is rotten and how the previous generations had culture and were happy. If I find that teacher, I would slap some sense into them. It is because of those same older generation people that India is in such a mess.

We need a lot of luck for the future to feed these masses. A real hopeless situation. Most cities are unlivable. Kids have no place to play. Many are still malnourished and severely under weight.

 

[Bosanquet]

It is quite interesting that while pakistan has a fertility rate of 3.6 children per woman, Bangladesh with a similar population, similar economic standard, the same majority religion and in the same part of the world has a rate of 2.3. This is only just above the "replacement rate" - 2.1. Hence B'desh is growing slowly and may stop growing alltogether after a decade or 2.

 

[sjahmed23]

One of the biggest taboos in Pakistan society. Cannot bring up this topic without hurting some feelings and getting into an argument with some pseudo mullah.

 

[Markhor]

Even the theocracy of Iran have had a more progressive family planning policy.

Contraceptives were mass manufactured and distributed free at government health clinics, including thousands set up in rural areas whilst birth control classes were made mandatory before marriage.

Since the 1980s, Iran experienced the largest and fastest drop in fertility ever recorded - from about seven births per woman to fewer than two today.

 

[R3verse Swing]

So basically what the OP is saying is don't end up like India or China, where the middle class are a narrow beam in an economy with Billion+ population, because more people live in poverty than Middle/Upper class, even in the next 150 years compared to Pakistan.

Got it!

 

[good guy]

So basically what the OP is saying is don't end up like India or China, where the middle class are a narrow beam in an economy with Billion+ population, because more people live in poverty than Middle/Upper class, even in the next 150 years compared to Pakistan.

Got it!

so are you saying that is Pakistan is Utopia society where is no one is poor and everybody is rich

 

[DW44]

Halving it won't be nearly enough given how much damage is already done. For any real progress, it needs to be cut by around two thirds. The current population growing at 1.3% would still be one of the fastest growing in the world and would be comparable in 2047 to the current US population (that is if it halves immediately and stays there till 2047).

Realistically, we'd be lucky if population growth drops below the 2% mark any time in the next 15 years so talks of halving it are beyond fanciful.

 

[saeedhk]

Even the theocracy of Iran have had a more progressive family planning policy.

Contraceptives were mass manufactured and distributed free at government health clinics, including thousands set up in rural areas whilst birth control classes were made mandatory before marriage.

Since the 1980s, Iran experienced the largest and fastest drop in fertility ever recorded - from about seven births per woman to fewer than two today.

Exactly.People can say whatever about the system of government of Iran but there is no denying that Iran is miles ahead of Pakistan when it comes to women empowerment, education, health and security.

 

[saeedhk]

So basically what the OP is saying is don't end up like India or China, where the middle class are a narrow beam in an economy with Billion+ population, because more people live in poverty than Middle/Upper class, even in the next 150 years compared to Pakistan.

Got it!

You missed the point.It is not about India or China, it is about the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Pakistanis need to stop looking at everything from a conspiracy angle.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It is quite interesting that while pakistan has a fertility rate of 3.6 children per woman, Bangladesh with a similar population, similar economic standard, the same majority religion and in the same part of the world has a rate of 2.3. This is only just above the "replacement rate" - 2.1. Hence B'desh is growing slowly and may stop growing alltogether after a decade or 2.

Welcome new member.

Wonder what happened to that other guy Traveller55, haven't seen him for a few days?

 

[R3verse Swing]

so are you saying that is Pakistan is Utopia society where is no one is poor and everybody is rich

Err no. How did you arrive at your conclusion? I am saying even if Pakistan does not curb population, the likes of China and India will still have more people in poverty compared to Pakistan in the next 150 years. Plus Middle Class in India is also influenced by Caste system.

So the point is, Pakistan can learn from the likes of China and India on how to curb poverty, not the middle class.

 

[R3verse Swing]

You missed the point.It is not about India or China, it is about the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Pakistanis need to stop looking at everything from a conspiracy angle.

No you missed the point. Pakistan doesn't have a population problem, India and China do despite growing economies. Hence the OP is moot.

And please look up what conspiracy means.

 

[good guy]

No you missed the point. Pakistan doesn't have a population problem, India and China do despite growing economies. Hence the OP is moot.

And please look up what conspiracy means.

Pakistan doesn't have a population problem are you kidding me

btw Pakistan do not have any big resource like oil/natural gas
that will reduce the poverty in Pakistan quick

 

[R3verse Swing]

Pakistan doesn't have a population problem are you kidding me

btw Pakistan do not have any big resource like oil/natural gas
that will reduce the poverty in Pakistan quick

Population is a contextual problem. Let me provide some context. The UK with a higher GDP per capita than India, Pakistan and China, has a population of 70 Million max. Yet, the population is a burden on UK’s infrastructure and social system which is one if the reasons why UK voted to leave the EU. Oh, and UK does not have many resources either yet is one of the richest countries on earth - your point?

This is why the comparison with the likes of China and India is pertinent. Where is the article that says India should curb it's population to boost it's Middle Class? There isn't one. On the contrary, you will find this opinion on India's Population/Middle Class :

India has a hole where its middle class should be

AFTER China, where next? Over the past two decades, the world’s most populous country has become the market qua non of just about every global company seeking growth. As its economy slows, businesses are looking for the next set of consumers to keep the tills ringing.

To many, India feels like the heir apparent. Its population will soon overtake its Asian rival’s. It occasionally grows at the kind of pace that propelled China to the status of economic superpower. And its middle class is thought by many to be in the early stages of the journey to prosperity that created hundreds of millions of Chinese consumers. Exuberant management consultants speak of a 300m-400m horde of potential frapuccino-sippers, Fiesta-drivers and globe-trotters. Rare is the chief executive who, upon visiting India, does not proclaim it as central to his or her plans. Some of that may be a diplomatic dose of flattery; much of it, from firms such as IKEA, SoftBank, Amazon and Starbucks, is sincerely meant.

Hold your elephants. The Indian middle class conjured up by the marketers and consultants scarcely exists. Firms peddling anything much beyond soap, matches and phone-credit are targeting a minuscule slice of the population (see article). The top 1% of Indian adults, a rich enclave of 8m inhabitants making at least $20,000 a year, equates to roughly Hong Kong in terms of population and average income. The next 9% is akin to central Europe, in the middle of the global wealth pack. The next 40% of India’s population neatly mirrors its combined South Asian poor neighbours, Bangladesh and Pakistan. The remaining half-billion or so are on a par with the most destitute bits of Africa. To be sure, global companies take the markets of central Europe seriously. Plenty of fortunes have been made there. But they are no China

https://www.economist.com/news/lead...dia-has-hole-where-its-middle-class-should-be

Meaning, Pakistan does not have a population problem like India or China. India and China are proof that curbing population does not boost the Middle Class.

 

[Bosanquet]

Welcome new member.

Wonder what happened to that other guy Traveller55, haven't seen him for a few days?

Thank you. Had been lurking for a long time. Mainly on cricket pages. Eventually discovered this forum, far more entertaining & decided to join in.

 

[saeedhk]

Pakistan doesn't have a population problem are you kidding me

btw Pakistan do not have any big resource like oil/natural gas
that will reduce the poverty in Pakistan quick

Are you serious?Pakistan doesn’t have a population problem?

 

[good guy]

Are you serious?Pakistan doesn’t have a population problem?

no mate i was taking to R3verse Swing who think population is no problem in pakistan

 

[hussain.r97]

This is one of the biggest issues faced by Pakistan. Unfortunately, these human development issues are given literally no attention.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Pakistan do need to control its population growth but that is not the only measure they need to take to improve economically. They’ll need to take policy measures such finding more avenues to fill the gap between employments and labour surplus. They’ll need to increase their tax net to improve the quality of life of its citizens. They’ll also need self sustaining economic policies such as getting rid of corrupt mill owners and food mafias. For that to happen they’ll need law abiding lawmakers and law enforcers who can be trusted by the locals. They’ll need a geological survey to estimate the potential of its natural resources. They’ll also need to diversify the education sector and sanction a lot of research on education, science, crimes and criminal justice system. They’ll also need to create platforms where people and businesses can have access to their political leaders and law enforcement organisations for a candid discussion on future policy making and policy changes. Lastly, the governments will have to realise that relying on conspiracy theories without presenting hard evidence against their political enemies will only force the marginalised into disbelief against the political system which will have a detrimental affect on their policies.

 

[TM Riddle]

Population explosion is the biggest issue confronting the South Asian Nations today. Unless some drastic measures are taken it could transform itself into a problem of catastrophic proportions.
With so few resources at disposal , Subcontinent nations esp India , Pakistan and Bangladesh will have a humongous task at their hands to provide basic amenities to their citizens while at the same time working relentlessly towards increasing GDP and economic growth.

With change in climate and erratic rainfall patterns across the region over last decade , food security remains a priority. It's especially a problem for a country like India which despite trying hard hasn't been able to achieve bringing even the 50 percent of it's cultivable area under Irrigation. Schemes such as Krishi Sinchai Yojana could only work if there's proper implemention.
All the 3 countries should work towards bringing their fertility rate down to 2.1 .

 

[Gabbar Singh]

As a nation develops and gets richer the fertility rate will automatically come down. Of course if a nation remains poor and underdeveloped then a high fertility rate just makes the problem worse. And given the climate and environmental issues we face it makes sense for nations with high populations to address this issue sooner rather than later.

 

[PakLFC]

As much of the country is poor these people need to be told that having to many kid's only creates problems. The downtrodden in Pak don't think about such things and it's consequences.

 

[saeedhk]

'Pakistan currently has a ‘small’ net population growth rate of 2.1 per cent. This means every 33 years the population will double, and then double again and again. If continued, by this century’s end Pakistan’s population will exceed that of Europe, Canada, Australia and New Zealand combined. This shocking piece of math is something that no government or its minders dare discuss; the ministry of population planning was abolished years ago.' - Pervez Hoodbhoy

 

[AdamM97]

Having a lot of kids(especially sons) was good in agricultural societies. In modern industrial societies, less children is better. Can’t expect Pakistanis to stop reproducing willingly so maybe forced population control may be necessary in the future.

 

[saeedhk]

Having a lot of kids(especially sons) was good in agricultural societies. In modern industrial societies, less children is better. Can’t expect Pakistanis to stop reproducing willingly so maybe forced population control may be necessary in the future.

It is necessary now. You cannot convince the population to have fewer kids when most Pakistanis say Allah will provide and that population control is a conspiracy by the CIA to reduce Muslim population. There are the likes of Orya Maqbool who are brainwashing the masses every day!

 

[AdamM97]

It is necessary now. You cannot convince the population to have fewer kids when most Pakistanis say Allah will provide and that population control is a conspiracy by the CIA to reduce Muslim population. There are the likes of Orya Maqbool who are brainwashing the masses every day!

Pakistani state institutions are incompetent so i don’t expect a population control initiative to be successful in areas like KPK, Balochistan and Sindh. Punjab may be the only province where i can see the initiative succeed to a large degree.

 

[Asim_khan]

It is necessary now. You cannot convince the population to have fewer kids when most Pakistanis say Allah will provide and that population control is a conspiracy by the CIA to reduce Muslim population. There are the likes of Orya Maqbool who are brainwashing the masses every day!

How will you go about doing this?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Data shared by the Pakistan Bureau of Statistics (PBS) suggests that the current rate of population growth in the country is likely to double the population by 2050

Federal Minister for Planning, Development and Special Initiatives, Professor Ahsan Iqbal on Thursday unveiled the “First Ever Digital Census Key Findings Report”, compiled by the PBS.

The report, which marks a significant milestone for Pakistan, provides comprehensive data crucial for the development of urban and rural areas and effective disaster response.

According to the detailed results of the 7th Population and Housing Census-2023, Pakistan is the 5th most populous country in the world with a total population of 241.49 million with all the provincial capitals' most populous cities.

The census data shows that the current population growth rate is 2.55% which is the highest in the region and if it continues, the country's population will be doubled by 2050.

As per the stats, Karachi is ranked the 1st most populous city with a population of 20.4 million while the Sindh province’s count stands at 55.70 million.

Meanwhile, Lahore is the 2nd most populous city with 13 million and the provincial population count stands at 127.69 million.

Peshawar ranks 3rd with 4.76 million Khyber Pakhtunkhawa’s population is 40.86 million, while Quetta ranks 4th with 2.59 million and 14.89 million for the provincial population count in Balochistan.

The federal capital of Islamabad’s population count stood at 2.36 million.

The census data shows that the total population of the country, 241.49 million, is represented by 51.48% males and 48.51% females, with a gender ratio of 106.12.

The average number of members in a Pakistani family is 6.30 while the dominant religion is Islam representing 96% of the population.

The age-wise enumeration of the population shows 36.47 million people under five years, 97.53 million under 15 years, 62.58 million between 15 to 29 and 190.27 million below 40 years of age.

Meanwhile, the literacy indicators show 61% of Pakistan's population aged ten years and above is literate.

As per the PBS data, population growth is adversely affecting the per capita income and standard of living of citizens. There is a need to develop an effective strategy for population control for better distribution of resources and economic prosperity.

Addressing a ceremony, the minister highlighted Pakistan’s achievement as the first country in South Asia to conduct a digital census.

“The data collected through this census will be instrumental in guiding our development efforts and enhancing our ability to respond to natural calamities,” he stated.

The census, mandated by the Constitution to be conducted every ten years, faced scrutiny in 2017 when the Sindh government expressed concerns over the results, he said.

Source: Geo News

 

[guard]

Easy way to make Pakistan improve its financial status, surgically remove 4-5 families who are the root cause of all the suffering and problems. Easy as calibri

 

[Champ_Pal]

Data shared by the Pakistan Bureau of Statistics (PBS) suggests that the current rate of population growth in the country is likely to double the population by 2050

Federal Minister for Planning, Development and Special Initiatives, Professor Ahsan Iqbal on Thursday unveiled the “First Ever Digital Census Key Findings Report”, compiled by the PBS.

The report, which marks a significant milestone for Pakistan, provides comprehensive data crucial for the development of urban and rural areas and effective disaster response.

According to the detailed results of the 7th Population and Housing Census-2023, Pakistan is the 5th most populous country in the world with a total population of 241.49 million with all the provincial capitals' most populous cities.

The census data shows that the current population growth rate is 2.55% which is the highest in the region and if it continues, the country's population will be doubled by 2050.

As per the stats, Karachi is ranked the 1st most populous city with a population of 20.4 million while the Sindh province’s count stands at 55.70 million.

Meanwhile, Lahore is the 2nd most populous city with 13 million and the provincial population count stands at 127.69 million.

Peshawar ranks 3rd with 4.76 million Khyber Pakhtunkhawa’s population is 40.86 million, while Quetta ranks 4th with 2.59 million and 14.89 million for the provincial population count in Balochistan.

The federal capital of Islamabad’s population count stood at 2.36 million.

The census data shows that the total population of the country, 241.49 million, is represented by 51.48% males and 48.51% females, with a gender ratio of 106.12.

The average number of members in a Pakistani family is 6.30 while the dominant religion is Islam representing 96% of the population.

The age-wise enumeration of the population shows 36.47 million people under five years, 97.53 million under 15 years, 62.58 million between 15 to 29 and 190.27 million below 40 years of age.

Meanwhile, the literacy indicators show 61% of Pakistan's population aged ten years and above is literate.

As per the PBS data, population growth is adversely affecting the per capita income and standard of living of citizens. There is a need to develop an effective strategy for population control for better distribution of resources and economic prosperity.

Addressing a ceremony, the minister highlighted Pakistan’s achievement as the first country in South Asia to conduct a digital census.

“The data collected through this census will be instrumental in guiding our development efforts and enhancing our ability to respond to natural calamities,” he stated.

The census, mandated by the Constitution to be conducted every ten years, faced scrutiny in 2017 when the Sindh government expressed concerns over the results, he said.

Source: Geo News

Pakistan having 50 crores population by 2050 is like India having 260 crores by the same time. The population density will be insane and India is 4 times bigger than Pakistan.
I doubt Pakistan will let the situation become that bad.